Why isn't hyperspace ramming a standard weapon? they could have easily taken out the death star with it

Blue marked Battle Droids where literally called Pilot Droids idiot.

Holy fuck Star Wars is dead

isn't hyperspace a seperate dimensional plane

Wew

>outlawed
>in war

I get that it's world war 2 ish thing to say, but...

that's horsecock.

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>oh dear, Vader just blew up a planet
>we should probably hyperspace ram his station
>it's outlawed

>The entire separatist army
>Dookus personal droid
>Astromech droids being shown flying Jedi ships when the jedi is not in them

not in star wars
iirc from those old x wing/tie fighter games they can only travel in straight lines and have to be careful not to crash into shit

Why didn't Sheev just hypserspin ram himself into the Jedi temple to kill all the Jedi instead of starting the clone wars?

Before Rian subverted expectations, smaller ships would just ineffectually smash themselves into whatever energy shield a larger ship or space station had.

Uh, I think being a band of anti government terrorists was probably also outlawed.

The old EU explanation worked better. In there, hyperspace was its own dimension where faster than light travel was possible. In a "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" way, if something hyperspace rammed, because it was mostly in this other dimension during the ram, most of the damage is to those things in hyperspace, namely the rammer. Thus hyperspace ramming in EU would be ineffectual at best, and a loss of your own spacecraft for minor damage to the enemy at worst. Nothing like TLJ's depiction.

Why didn't the Empire just outlaw the Rebels?

>Make guns illegal!
>Why do the enemy have guns!!

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Some sources in the eu had it like that, but since Disney erased the entire EU it doesn’t really matter.

Why didn't the empire just use hyperspace mass drivers instead of battle stations.

Couple of factors to consider:
The Rebels did not have a large enough ship to do this maneuver.
The Death Star very well armored.
And the Imperial fleet or the DS crew would see it coming and blast the threat to pieces.

The only reason it worked in TLJ is because it was the last second with the Supremacy's shields being down and them focusing fire on the transport. If Hux wasn't being a retard, the Raddus would've never made the proper jump and got blown to bits. My mind is broken on fans getting outraged about this when they really should be mad about Starkiller which completely breaks logic in Star Wars that even the storygroup cant defend. A planet sized death star? that can shoot across the galaxy and be seen in real time?

I've said time and time again, the best arguments on why TLJ is such a shit movie comes from Rian himself. Watching the BTS clips from the bluray and his take on each of the scenes just shows that he intentionally made a bad movie

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>questioning the war tactics of a retarded franchise that has men training decades with lightsabers for combat

Star Wars retards really are something else

The Imperial Starfleet was capable of maintaining a vast no-fly zone around the Death Star. The advanced radar aboard the Death Star were sufficient to detect any ship entering hyperspace at which point Darth Vader could take evasive action and fire a turbo laser barrage to intercept the flight path of the kamakazi.

>Darth Vader could take evasive action

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This only happens in films they hate. The tactics in AOTC got questioned a lot but no one cared about Hoth making no sense. Same goes for ROTJ, people will nitpick the Ewoks to death but forgive the "best" movies for doing the same shit

whatever happened to the little miniatures they built for the old star wars movies? those look cool even not when being used for VFX for the movie, be cool to own a set

Lmao nice gif

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Lol Rian pls kys

The rebels are outlaws, so why would they give a fuck?

Why didn't they just run to work?

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They don't have enough brave and strong female captains to do it. This is what patriarchy does to societies.

Most reasonable answer is that is its practically impossible to hit something while travelling at hyperspeed and the only reason they did it with the Destroyer was it was going at an exact rate and direction for two-thirds of the movie.

>The fact that Hux doesn’t see it coming means it’s probably not a standard military maneuver. I think it was something that Holdo (laughs) pulled out of her butt in the moment.
The absolute state of Nuwars

The Flintstone car unironically makes more sense than the sudden """invention""" of hyperspace ramming

She was a Vice Admiral you incel.

You could hit the deathstar. It's enormous and stationary.

Because this invalidates every single major assault in Star Wars. Why go capital to capital ship if you can just slap a shitty old hyperdrive on an asteroid and ram a Star Destroyer? It's like using an unstoppable unhittable remote control dingy loaded with TNT to blow up an aircraft carrier.

Because then they wouldn't have a canopy to protect them from the sun's harmful rays.

I mean, I suppose you could argue that it's something akin to the ban on AI in the Dune universe. A 'law' that everyone follows regardless of affiliation.

You also DON'T EVEN NEED THE DEATH STAR. JUST RAIN DOWN HELL WITH HYPERSPACE ASTEROIDS. You'd obliterate a planet in minutes and it would only cost you the hyperdrive and the time spent collecting asteroids.

Not an argument

Shields and concentrated fire. Are you retarded?

shields

How did the XWings get through the shields on DS1? Why didn't the rebels just hyperspace ram the DS2 after the shield generator got destroyed?

It's the steering wheel that prevents suspension of disbelief. There is clearly nothing to steer on that car. It's an unsteerable vehicle. This could not exist in the real world.

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It doesn't seem like starship shields are always active in star wars.

Except the ban on AI is an almost religious commandment that is fundamentally linked to the backstory of the Dune universe, and there are people who go against it anyway.

You can steer with your feet

Yeah, and you can whittle down the shields of any capital ship apparently, and then hyperspace ram it for the instaskill. There is literally no reason not have to hyperspace rammers in your fleet waiting to clean up.

I think so and the way Han Solo drop out underneath starkiller Shields in TFA heavily supports it. That said I vaguely remember him not able to make a jump because another ship was "in the way" in the original movies.

Maybe there's a sort of "altitudal" overlay to hyperspace depending what speed you're going out similar to actual flight where you can fly around but at great risk of hitting something. In fact I think that's the official explanation for the Kessel Run

What if all the asteroid deposits were exhausted already and they needed to destroy planets with Deathstar to create space rocks of variable sizes?

How could that possibly make sense? Surely the shield is being hit with an incredible kinetic force. The energy of the ship traveling at hyperspeed has to be dissipated somewhere when it is destroyed by the shields.

Yeah, it's not like they fly through an asteroid field in the next movie.

Please tell me that's not the official explanation.

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It was some toss-off explanation in an interview iirc. It might get official addressed somehow in like, I don't know. A tie-in comic book or something.

>It takes Hux by surprise.
Rian actually forgot what happened in his own movie. This never fails to amaze me. It's just proof he never even tried to think anything through.

There's going to be quadrillions of asteroids in the galaxy. And if not an asteroid, use an old decommissioned ship full of junk.

The whole fucking movie is a joke written by people who have no idea how space battles work:
>Send a single X-Wing to take out a fuck huge dreadnaught's main guns, miracalously successful
>Send unescorted bombers, flying in a straight line, with GRAVITY DROPPED BOMBS like they're fucking b-17s instead of your fleet of cruisers
>Said bombs are detonated by manual triggers instead of computer control
>When your plan naturally goes to shit, you run away at sublight
>No covering fire, no evasive moves, just fly away in a straight line
>Pink Cunt's entire plan hinges on no imperials, i mean first order, looking out a fucking window to see her small ships
>Pink Cunt cuts out senior members of her command staff because "muh flybois" which sows discord at a time they need everyone on board with her stupid fucking plan
>She acts all pissy when they mutiny as it appears she's sold everyone out, a problem that could easily be solved by simply telling her CAG officer her plan
>Hyperspace ramming

Yeah but physical objects still cast mass shadows that can drag your ship back into normal space. You still have to make calculations to avoid shit.

Maybe if you think Brian deserves to be called a Herbert.

>The Rebels did not have a large enough ship to do this maneuver.
Never established as a requirement.
>The Death Star very well armored
Never established as relevant.
>And the Imperial fleet or the DS crew would see it coming and blast the threat to pieces.
The Battle of Endor showed this to be laughably untrue.

Don't forget the bombs are armed while inside the fucking bombers and if the drop altitude is two low, they bombs will actually chain-detonate back up into the bomber.

The timing was always dumb.

>Poe gets all of the guns.
>The bombers are already there, even if you called them off and had them RTB they are too slow to make it back without TIEs fucking their shit up on the way home. It's a suicide run no matter what happens.
>If they hadn't made their suicide run in the first place, Poe, Holdo, the bombers, the Raddas, the entire fleet would have been victim of the autocannon.

Leia is an idiot, Carrie Fisher was a druggie and not a role model, and Poe was Right.

It could make sense. Something like the geneva convention, rules of war. Hyperspace ramming is devastating, since it gives every schmuck with a hyperspace travel capable ship the ability to destroy any planet or ship.
Kind of like nukes might be outlawed in a hypothetical war between nuclear powers.

We figured magnetic detonators in fucking 1937, how is Star Wars that fucking stupid?

Not even the timing, the whole fucking plan. Park your entire fleet over the enemy base? No backup, no reserves, no cover?
And why the fuck are they flying these slow, useless ass fucking bombers when the Y wing is a thing? Or why gravity dropped bombs when torpedoes are much more effective?

But planet destroying weapons are ok in this situation?

Nobody seemed to be treating Holdo like some kind of horrific war criminal after her little sacrifice. In fact they seemed to celebrate her as a hero. And if it's fine for the Resistance to pull this, why was it different for the Rebellion?

It's not so much Leia being an idiot as Rian's incompetence. He wanted to portray Poe in the wrong so he gave him the power of mansplaining across the radio spectrum. Poe's own motivation had nothing to do with the mega canons, he just wanted to destroy the dreadnought because apparently nobody realized those weapons could be turned on the Raddus for some reason. But the very fact that he did absolutely save everyone muddies the waters. So does Holdo's handling of her fundamentally idiotic plan. Poe is given way too much sympathetic wiggle room. He only really comes off as wrong when he agrees with Holdo's plan.

How much do you wanna bet some future installment is gonna talk about how hyperspeed ramming isn't a good idea because X, Y, and Z bad things can happen so it's SUUUUUUPER dangerous.

>We figured magnetic detonators in fucking 1937, how is Star Wars that fucking stupid?
Maybe Rian really likes WW2 imagery but is too much of a wuss to actually dare learn how weapons actually work.

Here's the issue. Droids can pilot. X-Wings can be jump capable.

I only look at the Poe situation one way: IF YOU DON'T NOT DESTROY THE DREADNOUGHT AND IT'S AUTOCANNON, THE RADDUS IS DESTROYED. END OF STORY.

SINK THE DREADNOUGHT OR DIE.

Poe was 100% justified.

Even a star destroyer would not have enough kinetic energy to destroy a whole Planet.

I'm imagining some bullshit excuse like all the debris from the collisions gets sent off at hyperspeeds in all directions which could potentially, however unlikely, strike something else like another ship or a populated planet.

No, fuck that. That's bullshit. The only imagery he could possibly have seen would be Call of Duty at that point.

Strategic bombers flew with MASSIVE escorts, or flew at such altitude that they were out of range of ground based defenses, and had things called turrets that could shoot back at any attacking fighters.

These fucking things are basically cargo ships flying in a straight line.

Going faster than light? You're an idiot.

It is just a space distortion where the *apparent* speed in normal space for an outside observer is ftl.

I will only accept this if Holdo is retroactively reviled as galaxy's biggest monster.

Because Rian Johnson invented it when he broke the continuity
/thread

Damn, so they could have completely avoided this gigantic plothole by having both ships collide in hyperspace.

Probably the holdo maneuver is not that lethal as people believe, and hyperspace ramming put just some energy on the target because part of the ship is shadowed in other dimension, so the impact is determied by a probabilistic curve that show some kind of distribution from 0 to 100 percent there would be a probability that certain fraction of the mass would be involved in the actual impact.

In other words, holdo just got lucky.

Which doesn't explain at all why Hux flipped the fuck out or why neither Leia nor Poe seemed particularly surprised at the outcome.

Why are there even ground troop battles ever when you can just glass a planet from orbit?

Well, that would be explained by their bad acting skills or bad direction

Same reason why we don't glass the middle east - resources. Can't occupy what you blow up

Sounds more like Rian intended it to be a foregone conclusion.

TLJ is complete trash and you shouldn't count anything that happened in it as canon. Especially not something like the physics minutia that a round headed piece of shit like him would never bother to think twice about, much less once.

FUCK OFF
DO NOT REPLY TO ME

What about all the missed lasers? As a random pilot NPC said in Mass Effect 2, "do NOT fire unless you have a lock, a stray shot can annihilate a thousands of years from now"

Why didnt Naboo just lightspeed ram couple of its ships into the trade federation cruisers, ending the blockade that same day?

Funny how female leadership leads to the breakdown of society both in real life and in fiction

So she never actually have a plan?

>Funny how female leadership leads to the breakdown of society both in real life and in fiction
This bears repeating.

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>when headcanon collides with real canon
Pretty clear you didn't pay attention to the Death Star briefing either

>The Rebels did not have a large enough ship to do this maneuver.

Size would literally be irrelevant. Lightspeed ramming is converting mass into explosive energy. The formula would be something like mass*light speed.

The speed of light is insanely fucking high. It would be meaningless if you rammed a 1 ton ship vs a 100 ton ship.

The problem is that not only would you need two FTL ships to be timed correctly such that they actually hit while going faster than light, but it'd cause all the destruction two FTL ships colliding would do but contained in hyperspace. In other words, even if everything else is intact, the entire damn FTL ships are likely gone in all that kinetic energy.

Yeah remember when Admiral Yularen brought up the very real concern of a hyperspace ram scenario? Remember when Admiral Piett reminded the captains under his command to watch out for any rebel blockade runners what might try a suicide run? Remember when Admiral Raddus told the hammerhead corvette to hyperspace ram the shield gate?

Oh, no, wait. Hyperspace ramming in the movies was invented by Rian out of the blue. I guess that's why it never came up. But you already knew that and were being astoundingly dishonest.

Cause they didn't come up with it!

What if you fired a light particle at a planet at the speed of light? What would happen?

youtube.com/watch?v=hLpgxry542M

Man do I look like a physicist? I can only spitball at best, and am probably wrong I'll be the first to admit that.
A particle likely doesn't have enough mass to do any damage to something the size of a planet. The thing about the death star is that it's mechanical. It's much less dense than a planet, and far more susceptible to structural damage than a planet would be.

brilliant thats the one

And they say 2 is the worst ME game.

In the EU, ships in Star Wars never actually go faster than the speed of light while in realspace. They use a hyperdrive to "jump" into, then move through, hyperspace; a parallel dimension in which they can travel faster than light. While in hyperspace, ships do not interact with objects in realspace, so relativistic collisions are avoided.

HOWEVER.
If a ship in hyperspace passes through the gravity well of a large object like a planet, star, or sufficiently powerful artificial emitter, it is pulled back into realspace, possibly colliding with the large object *at sub-light speeds*. This is what Han Solo was referring to when he warned Luke about the importance of calculating vectors before making "the jump".

Pic related is a case where that happens and notice how the recipients of this ram are hardly harmed? Most of the damage is dealt to the one who DID the ramming.

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That's a slug traveling fast enough to give off the energy of multiple atomic bombs. Not lasers.

The Supremacy shields weren't down. The Raddus had an experimental shield that allowed it to cut through the regular shields.

Source: TLJ novelization

If you point a torch at your head and flick it on, aren't you shooting yourself in the head with millions of light particles traveling at lightspeed though?

Why the fuck would you outfit a capital ship with shields specifically designed to cut through other shields? In what fucking world would that be applicable enough to warrant the investment?

It's not. The real answer is convoluted as fuck but is not lore breaking.

It wasn't designed for that. It was designed as a superior shield to the existing tech. They actually reference the shield clumsily when they're being pursued and show a hologram of it being rerouted to the back of the ship to protect it from capital ships shooting it but then allows Kylo and friends to blast the bridge, killing Ackbar and sending Leia into space. It's messy as fuck but does explain the stupidity in canonical fashion.

old canon
Realspace is the material universe
Hyperspace is another dimension
activating the hyperdrive throws the ship into said dimension where the "nothing can go faster than c rule" doesn't apply.
only gravity wells: stars and all their variants, black holes, planets, large moons can pull a ship back into realspace
hence the need for navi computers preloaded with thousands of years worth of mapped out safe paths through the galaxy

specialized ships that generate gravity wells for the express purpose of dragging ships back into realspace, or preventing escape into hyperspace, were a thing once
interdictor cruisers

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The reaction of Hux, Poe, Leia and that random officer completely invalidates this explanation.

I didn’t know the gungans had experimental shields too.

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I like how the Disney movies completely invalidate everything that happened in the OT.
I mean the Empire's back again and the Death Star could have been destroyed by 1 guy ramming into it. Why did they even bother?

because walking seated is comfy as fuck

They didn't

They all knew about the shield

Meant for

Because it not canon.
Everything after ep.VI is fanfic.

>flying is for droids

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>Executor

Funny how all it took was a single X-Wing crashing to take the thing down.

Have sex

>The Raddus had an experimental shield that allowed it to cut through the regular shields.
Were they thousand folded cold steel?

Source: your ass, I guess.

Feel free to read the book Incel

>read book to plug up holes in continuity that the film couldn’t be bothered to explain
>also not what that shitty book says
Fuck off, roastie.

rian is an imbecile

Cope

Worked well enough in TLJ

Lads what are your predictions for dumb lorebreaking ideas that will make it into Ep 9?

Why guess is JJ will have Rey or someone throws a lightsaber like a spear that pierces the hull of the new super duper star destroyer and impales Hux or whatever killing him in a comical manner.

Rey learns how to hologram into enemys ship and talk to them

Who is Anakin's father?

Outlawed

So are the rebels... the bad guys

>It takes Hux by surprise. The fact that Hux doesn’t see it coming means it’s probably not a standard military maneuver.

But....it doesn't. Hux literally sees it coming and panics, telling his crew to concentrate all their firepower on the Raddus. He very clearly knows what she's about to do and knows it.

I mean am I going crazy here? This happens right?

The better comparison is chemical weapons, because despite the British, French, Germans and Russians having plenty of them in WW2, none of them used them. The reason was that using them would give their opponents free reign to use them as well, so no-one used them because it wouldn't provide an advantage. Even when Germany was on it's last legs they didn't break out gas shells because it wouldn't make any difference at that point.

The comparison works because you're dealing with conventional war between nation states. Neither side has anything to gain if they use an outlawed weapon because the other side then gains that weapon themselves. It only works if the other side has no ability to do it themselves, hence why the Japanese used chemical and biological weapons in China, because the Chinese couldn't retaliate in kind.

The comparison breaks completely in the Empire vs Rebellion context because it's not two nation states. The Rebellion has absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain by using hyperspace ramming. It's not like the Empire would gain anything by being given carte blanche permission to use hyper-rams because they're up against what is essentially a terrorist organisation. It's not a conventional war. Hence the Rebels following the rules just makes no sense.

no one in the new wars trilogy understands star wars. they just remember basic bitch shit thats generally wrong. with the all the rebel shit in tlj its just rians bare recollection of OT rebels having crappy equipment. now instead of being smart and realizing that while the rebels had crappy equipment, that equipment was functional for combat. rian just said lol rebels have to have weak shit so ill make a paper bomber. im convinced that 90% of people, including 100% of the nu wars staff only watched the OT when they were kids and never again picked it up. only going off of vague memories of what it was like and then redoing it in their image.

everything they do is off. they dont understand anything about the setting. take the red lightsaber crystal. used to be a nice allegory for the dark side with it being synthetic, powerful, yet with a short shelf life. nowadays a red crystal is made through being fucking coldsteel the sith lord and "bleeding" a normal crystal until it goes emo and red. for what reason they did this i have no fucking clue other than some 85 iq retard didnt understand the metaphor and wanted to make them EBIL.

star wars is fucking dead.

>Holdo is unironically worse than a nazi

what they should have done is had dumb pink cunt jettison everyone else in escape pods and start jumping to lightspeed. the first order would have started to jump with her since theyre tracking them. then in a moment of self sacrifice and heroism pink cunt jumps into an asteroid field/black hole/some other space anomaly which the first order unknowingly follows since theyre just going off her jump coordinates. then the fleet gets fucked up, pink cunt dies yadda yadda

IF hyperspace ramming is so ungodly illegal, the rebellion didn't even consider using it against a PLANET destroying superweapon

Then obviously the next movie SHOULD be dealing with the political fallout of what Holdo did, with most of the galaxy willingly going over to the First Order and considering the rebellion worse than them for breaking that most unholy of taboos right?

During the chase, why didn't they just evacuate one of the ships and ram that into the First Order Fleet? Why let everyone on those ships die if you're gonna ram a ship anyway?

Artificial
Force
Nanobots

Jedi in a bottle, developed by the rebels to turn all their surviving members into force users

Oh fuck. You just know they are gonna do this shit sooner or later. Or they will create force clones or something. That Mandalorian tv show is gonna be filled with garbage ideas that not even Rian or JJ wanted.

Leia is going to sacrifice herself and spread her force powers among all other rebels after being mortally wounded during the first third of the movie
second part is about Rey having to teach them how to use the force
third is about them finally coming together as the new jedi order and defeating the first order

i read the part of the novelization with this shit. apparently the raddus wasnt in hyperspace yet when it jumped and so when it impacted the supremacy it turned into a pillar of plasma that ripped through everything. the experimental shields let the raddus survive the impact instead of just exploding which made it happen. so any other ships would just explode uselessly, they might take out part of a ship but it wouldnt be worth it. still pretty gay

>When the heavy cruiser plowed into the Supremacy's broad flying wing, the force of the impact was at least three orders of magnitude greater than anything the Raddus's inertial dampeners were rated to handle. The protective field they generated failed immediately, but the heavy cruiser's augmented experimental shields remained intact for a moment longer before the unimaginable force of the impact converted the Raddus into a column of plasma that consumed itself.

>However, the Raddus had also accelerated to nearly the speed of light at the point of that catastrophic impact -- and the column of plasma it became was hotter than a sun and intensely magnetized. This plasma was then hurled into hyperspace along a tunnel opened by the null quantum-field generator -- a tunnel that collapsed as quickly as it had been opened.
>
Both the column of plasma and the hyperspace tunnel were gone in far less than an eyeblink, but that was long enough to rip through the Supremacy's hull from bow to stern, tear a ragged hole in a string of Star Destroyers flying in formation with it, and finally wink out of existence in empty space thousands of kilometers beyond the First Order task force.

>so any other ships would just explode uselessly

SO WHY DID HUX PANIC WHEN HE SAW THE RADDUS BEGIN TO HYPER-RAM?

Cringe

Here's a way to make it a reasonable and rare manoeuvre:

It doesn't work in hyperspace. Ships just clip past through each other without interaction, but you might still have to avoid a massive gravity well.
>why did it work in the flick
it wasn't at full speed, it was still accelerating towards hyperspace, timing it correctly would have been a massive fluke

"outlawed"
fucking yuk

It was an A-wing. faggot.

Darth Plagueis via Darkside tele-sperm.

>the bombers could've have just flown into the ship at light speed
the end roll the credits

>accelerating towards a dimensional shift
You're dumb but at least you're smarter than Rian.

Even if it was banned it still makes no sense retroactively. Rebels were using kamikaze tactics against the Empire as shown in the movies. Why the fuck wouldn't they have done that in the previous war if it was such a simple thing to do? It breaks the entire concept of space battles.

yeah but using a giant space laser to blow up planets was fair game

Bravo, George. Bravo.

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The only logical conclusion: he knew about the raddus.

The problem with those bomers is they were designed to fail. Literally they were made for that scene so Rian could have some cool explosions and fake tension.

This is the difference between the ST and the PT. George designed things to make sense and work, and modeled the story around how things worked. JJ/KK/RJ design the world around the story and thus everything ends up being dumb as fuck and make no sense because everything is invented just for that one scene. Same for the lore about the Raddus having a shield penetrating shield. Did someone design the ship with the intent of hyperspace ramming in mind? Well actually yes, that was it's sole intent, Rian Johnson is it's designer. The world is a joke.

Suicide missions by hyperspace jump became cool only decades later.

Hyperspace ram = modern day muh midichlorians ie shit that makes incels irrationally ass hurt. My advice is have sex.

Because they had a no hurty feelings for bad ideas story division that provided positive reinforcement to moronic ideas.

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>Hyperspace ram = modern day muh midichlorians ie shit that makes normies irrationally ass hurt. My advice is have sex.
ftfy

It depends how Hyperspace actually works.

Let's say that there are two scenarios

Scenario a) To enter hyperspace you just tear open a portal and slide the ship in. The 40k Warp model.

Scenario b) Hyperspace is an alternate dimension you access by going really fast which slips you in. The DC Speedforce model.

In scenario a, Hyperspace Ramming is performed by microjumping forwards and creating a hyperspace exit point inside the object you want to hit in real space so that you exit with maximum realspace velocity in a direct hit. In scenario b, Hyperspace ramming is performed by timing the ram perfectly so that midway through the speedburst jump while you're still in real space you hit an object.

In neither scenario does this make sense by the way.

>If a ship in hyperspace passes through the gravity well of a large object like a planet, star, or sufficiently powerful artificial emitter, it is pulled back into realspace
this is a built in system that can be bypassed

apparently you can still get hurt by it, but the massive damage seen was because of the shields. it wouldve fucked up the supremacy still like blown a chunk off the wing or something. at least it puts to bed the hyperspace ram as an end all be all as it was just a fluke with the shields. ramming the death star would be like poking it with a pin

*ahem*
MOMMY MILKIES PLEASE

anyone wants to bet the next movie and all supplemental material will simply ignore the hyperspace ram despite the fact that the shields enabling it now exist?

I'm betting they were the only version of the shield in existence and the scientists who designed it died during the escape from the rebel base.

nah jjs gonna have some character in the next film shit on it for being fucking stupid just how rian shit on all his stuff, especially kylos mask cause jj thought it was the tighest shit

Nope. Poe was right all along in being skeptical to #BELIEVEWOMEN

I told my dad this right after we saw TLJ. I figure this has to be the most innovative war tactic Star Wars has ever seen and anybody with a working brain would be scrambling to manufacture hyperspace rammers for the next "war"

They'll just completely omit it though, even with the opportunity to crown Holdo as the greatest Admiral ever.

I really REALLY god damn despise crap like that
ESPECIALLY in settings where data storage is easy like most scifi settings
Star Wars actually managed to avoid that BS for the most part like when the first death star blew up they started building a second one, only reason the second one wasn't finished was due to logistic constraints

so the star wars franchise will be reduced to 2 monkeys flinging their directoral crap at eachother

fan-fucking-tastic, at least George was above that EU feces

yep tlj fucks tfa and in turn will be fucked by 9
its like poetry

light particles don't have mass you fucking brainlet

besu to sciencepilled

There are safety mechanisms inside the ship that drop it out of hyperspace to prevent it from being ripped apart by the gravity well.

>why isn't hyperspace ramming a standard weapon?
Interdiction.

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1. You don't know that
2. Hyperdrives are expensive as fuck. You want to prevent destruction of a usable hyperdrive at all costs. That means strapping on laser cannons instead of turning it into a missile
3. It's probably extremely hard to get the speed right to do any real damage
4. Most engagements are done at ranges far beyond your ability to get close enough to ram something. Snoke's flagship has a max range of ~60km for some fucktarded reason.
5. Most fleets have interdictors and tractor beams to prevent you from trying this shit. The First Order doesn't use any because they're incompetent.

You don’t need a ship, just drop propulsion on an asteroid. There are planet killers out there. Find them and collect them with tractor beams.

why i keked so hard at this?

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Anyone who says that is a multiplayer faggot or a baby crying about muh rpg

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hah get a load of this faggot

>people still watch this shit

Hé trade federation ships were all droids

Jesus fuck this guy is a complete retard.

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Hyperspace ram an object outside the field's range, the wreckage and fragments will tear the target to ribbons anyway, we already saw that happen to the fleet in TLJ.

Next poorly thought out excuse, step right up.

Literally never appeared in movies and never will because good guys would be fucked.

Entire ST has been fucking up hyperspace. Remember when in TFA they hyperspaced in the atmosphere of Starkiller Base? Or when the Falcon hyperspaced from inside a hangar? ST never gave a shit about SW physics, and Episode 9 will be much worse than either TFA or TLJ.

Okay. It's still canon.

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Hmmmm I thought it wasn't that they could go faster than light... it was that hyperspace is compressed compared to real space. So even if you drop out of hyperspace into a mass shadow and hit something you aren't going at some crazy lightspeed annihliation speed but sub-light speed - which still could be catastrophic to the ship or the object depedning on mass and shields n stuff

It gets worse when you realize those retarded slow as shit bombers are all equipped with hyperdrive

>The formula would be something like mass*light speed
You have to use the relativistic formula when the speed is a significant fraction of c (pic related), you can't just use m*v^2/2. The energy of an object with mass going at the speed of light would be infinite, but that's not really relevant because the FTL ships in star wars use hyperspace with movie magic rules so the energy is unknown (but it cannot be more than the energy stored in the fuel, so it's the equivalent of a powerful nuke at best).

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Why didn’t they outlaw destroying of Death Star then?

Grorious Nippon STEER

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stop asking questions, just consume product and get excited for next product

>it cannot be more than the energy stored in the fuel
Energy conservation may not work in a world of space wizards

>Even a star destroyer would not have enough kinetic energy to destroy a whole Planet.
Why does that matter when you've sterilized its surface?

It probably does though, otherwise they wouldn't waste time mining rare fuels instead of using free energy.

>The Rebels did not have a large enough ship to do this maneuver.
>The Death Star very well armored.
1. Take a spare pillbug transport
2. Aim it at the ventilator shaft
3. Hyperspace ram the exhaust
4. The explosion will carry down into the reactor core just like the photon torpedoes did
5. Station is destroyed

Explain why this wouldn't work

>Explain why this wouldn't work
Interdiction

Wait a minute. How do the cars in the Flintstones turn?

>introduce by far the most powerful combat tactic in the universe
>could also be done by droids, not wasting human life
>basically all precious movies could use this tactic to finish the movie in a couple of minutes
How stupid can be a person writing this? I mean, isn’t it obvious?

Disney is fucking retarded.

What did he mean by this?

>interdictors think they're clever
>slap some hyperpsace drives on a couple of asteroids
>hurl them at the surface of whatever planet you don't like
>interdictors rip them from hyperspace
>"hurr what now"
>asteroids still crash into the surface
>sublight speeds but who cares, the surface is still btfo and everyone on it is still dead
What now

Why
>didn’t they ftl ram Death Star 1
>didn’t they ftl ram Death Star 2
>didn’t they ftl ram Trade Federation’s ship
>didn’t they ftl ram droid arena planet
>didn’t they frl ram The Senate
>didn’t they ftl ram Death Star Planet

Why even bother building a death star instead of just strapping hyperdrives to large asteroids and hurling them at planets at a fraction of the cost?

My thoughts exactly.

I hope they introduce in the next movie a machine that can ressurect pregnant ladies so we forget about RotS

Tractor beams, shields, missiles and turbo lasers can handle a few rocks

>shoot the giant asteroid
>planets surface is now saturated by shitloads of smaller asteroids
It's like that one scene from Armageddon but instead everyone actually just dies

>smaller asteroids
Caught with tractor beams.

Good thing the Rebels weren't outlaws.
That's an even dumber explanation then lol, nobody ever thought of it before.

Internal consistency you dense faggot.

Yeah my man I'm sure that the rebels on Yavin IV had an army of tractor beams to work with and its not like the empire's big fucking fleet of star destroyers couldn't blow them all up anyway

Congrats you just wasted a cargo ship when a proton torpedo would have done the job.

Tarkin Doctrine.

Relativistically, anything with mass going at the speed of light would have infinite energy and could in fact destroy a planet

Using the torpedoes cost them basically their entire air force though

They lean

>FO initiated an attack on a space fleet without even having their TIEs out of the hanger
It’s bad enough a single fighter ship can destroy an entire set of cannons designed to shoot down fighter ships that get too close, but why the fuck were the TIE fighters so unprepared?

Why the fuck did they only send 3 tie fighters and Kylo to attack the Resistance when they had thousands at their disposal?

Because they only needed the 3, clearly. It worked, didnt it?

Yes. I just saw the scene yesterday. I mean here it is: youtu.be/s2hM1tyEL0U?t=59 Even his subordinates see it coming. This guy literally forgot what he put in his own fucking movie.

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>flying is for the birds

It's a figure of speech, yet no birds are actually flying 747s

Get it?

Wala!

/thread

A proton torpedo couldn't even achieve this. The only reason it worked was because Luke used the Force. The situation was literally hopeless outside that. Way to miss the point.

Also the shaft was ray shielded.

Rian is completely retarded.

Yeah because it was impossible to aim the torpedo you nugget, not because it's not possible for the explosion gimmick to work

but blowing up star systems is fine tho

How are you going to bypass the Death Star's shields? Are you going to enter its shield dome and operate the controls to go to FTL while stationary and under fire from turbolasers and TIE Fighters? You think they're not going to see what you're trying to do? It would be a foolish gambit. the rebels could barely afford to staff 30 fighters and you're asking them to suicide bomb a heavily armored and shielded moon-sized battle station?

>hyperspace ram a death star with an x-wing
You made a minor hole in the hanger bay.

>shields
Not a factor or else the x wings would have pancaked on them on their way to the trench and wouldn't have gotten through.
>You made a minor hole in the hanger bay.
Doesnt matter because an explosion this size is all you need to bring down the whole station with a chain reaction. Just slam into the wall.

>if we ban hyperspace ramming no one will do it
Bravo disney

Not only did battle droids pilot ships, many trade ships were actually just huge droids.

>yeah well that's just prequel retardation droids can't pilot ships in REAL (OT) star wars

Artoo is explicitly shown to take over flying of Luke's X Wing in the OT, so we know astromech droids can fly ships.

Lmao we've literally seen astromech droids pilot ships

How can the shields even stop something moving at the speeds of light?

So Holdo's big secret plan that everyone had to trust her on was based on luck?

But the first order wants to destroy everything. They haven't been shown to have any desire to occupy anything. They built death star 3 just to destroy everything.

Let any one Western nation starting using chemical warfare in the middle east, watch what happens.

>Not a factor or else the x wings would have pancaked on them on their way to the trench and wouldn't have gotten through.
it is a factor especially when they mention it in the movie. the shields are designed for objects traveling at hyper velocity

>Doesnt matter because an explosion this size is all you need to bring down the whole station with a chain reaction. Just slam into the wall.
Source? The movie shows you need to hit the rector which is in the center of the station. If hitting the wall would've worked, Red Leader would've destroyed the Death Star when he launched his torpedoes.

>Just slam into the wall
Did you watch the goddamn movie or are you memeing because Yea Forums doesnt actually watch movies?

>OK guys, we built a gun out of a planet, let's use it to destroy like 5 planets at once, and murder trillions of innocent people.
>But sir, why don't we just hyperspace ram the planets and make them uninhabitable?
>Hyperspace ram them??!?!?! THAT'S AGAINST THE LAW YOU IDIOT.

this has to be a joke

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Why didn't half of the first order fleet just make a quick jump to be in front of Holdo and her fleet?

The one thing I can't get over is how the majority of the plot is a chase scene when it was established the resistance can't jump anywhere because they are being tracked.

Because you're an unironic incel who discusses the "logic" of a motherfucking children's space movie

You have to be a literal brainlet to not understand it's because of the arrogance of the big evil bad army reveling in the destruction of the good guys by slowly picking them off one by one.
movie for c h i l d r e n

Coping hard. SW is sci-fi fantasy of course, but it always had pretty consistent internal logic. This invalidates basically all of the rest of the series' canon.

based

>DUDE TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF
Cringe

How did the republic defeat a galaxy wide empire? Imagine America then imagine a city state called Kluro then decided that America is an evil empire that must die, how the fuck would it make America collapse due to America's vast scale compared to it?

No retard the movie itself states that an explosion in the exhaust system is what triggers a chain reaction that takes the explosion down to the reactor core and then destroys the station.

The films should make sense. It's not asking a lot for a half a billion dollar budget to include someone whose job is to keep the story straight. A white male, perhaps.

Same way America as a collection of shitty rural colonies defeated the British Empire, now confined to one shitty island with no power and no friends.

Source? Rogue One and A New Hope say otherwise, user.

canon is only what you decide is canon
it's not real, so why should it matter?

America didnt do shit to the british empire because they never invaded and occupied Bongland, and without France America would still be British clay right now.

The average star system empire would have around a quintillion military vessels thats enough to literally the sky on an entire planet from pole to pole so there is nowhere on a planet you can run to avoid being space blasted. Now just multiply this by a factor of galaxy and you start to realize how impossible it is to destroy a galactic scale civilization.

>Why didn't half of the first order fleet just make a quick jump to be in front of Holdo and her fleet?
Why would they? They knew they won and there was nothing the Resistance could do about it. They were gloating about it.

No it wouldn't because the old republic didnt have a standing army and so they would all be free kills

put a female in charge of writing they said. Nothing will go wrong you bigot they said

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does this tie into Lucas's Osmosis Clones idea in some way?
do the nanobots have their own whacky personality quirks?

>You made a minor hole in the hanger bay.
>accelerate up to speed of light
>receive literally infinite kinetic energy
>plow into something
>"a small hole in the hanger bay"
???

I really wonder how the fuck the left wing would be able to another world war

>why isn't hyperspace ramming a standard weapon?
because hyperspace ramming is a shitty lazy plot device and round head johnson should be lightspace rammed into a black hole where his mediocrity will satisfy its gravitation pull for centuries

You're applying real life logic to star wars. This does not work. If this were true, the damage caused by the Raddus ramming the Supremacy would've been more substantial and catastrophic. If this franchise followed this rule, Starkiller would not have worked either. Destroying a solar system from across the galaxy in less than 10 minutes and seeing it in real time is impossible.

why do you keep coming back here if you hate movies so much, adam?

It's just a dandy horse

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the best part is that the whole thing is a plot hole. Hyperspace ramming isn't actually a thing, it was that the ship they were using had super special, never before used strong shields that made it possible

But the best part is that NO ONE knew it was going to happen, it was a big coincidence. But the whole reason purple hair had to be on the ship was because they had things in place to PREVENT a hyperspace ram so it couldn't be done with a droid.

It's just a huge clusterfuck of writing

You know there are films made before 2004 which actually are good. Sometimes, we discuss them.

Starkiller base is also stupid as fuck and as I remember they had to specifically say that the visuals traveled through hyperspace or something just to explain how it could work. Also your comment about the Supremacy's damage falls flat because (a) it was basically cut in half and (b) shooting a needle with infinity KE at something wont make it spontaneously atomize, it will just make the needle impossible to stop and it will go through-and-through no matter how think the target is. Like hyperspace ramming an exhaust port with a small fighter. A really thin hole with unlimited depth.

Now that I have your attention
Defend this

Again, you're apply real life logic star wars. Canonical establishes state the X-Wing would cause minor damage. You're also missing the Supremacy gets it wing clipped. The ships behind it are destroyed by shrapnel but the structure is still intact.

A Jedi uses his power for knowledge, and defense. Never attack.

Why didn't they just hyperspace ram the death star

I think you’ll find that the answer is in your required reading, user.
What do you mean that any movie requiring external material to make sense has utterly failed at telling a story? What are you, sexist?!

Spend lots of money on super weapons that get destroyed in a few years?

Fuck off shill. Just because someone doesn't like one of the worst big budget movies ever made doesn't mean they hate everything

>does it matter?
>no, not one bit.

the official explanation from what I gathered is that the mon calamari cruiser just so happened to have advanced experimental shields which somehow translates into being able to hyperspace ram

basically they just pulled it out of their assess because it would "look cool" without caring or even knowing about the SW lore regarding hyperspace travel

u got a licence for that hyperspace?

>tfw left your hyperlicence in your other freighter
>tfw empire traffic police tows your freighter for hypertraffic violations

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Hyperspace ramming was the worst thing about TLJ, it basically breaks the star wars universe from here on out. Like how is any space battle a thing when you can hyperspace ram?

Have sex.

Divine trips of correctness

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That analogy would only make sense if the Empire were only devoting a fraction of a fraction of its forces to squashing the Rebellion and fighting a much larger and much more important battle elsewhere. And if the Rebellion were relegated to one system trying to ward off the Empire rather than striking at its heart to destroy it.

A cheeto impacting at the speed of light would crack the earth open like an egg.

Because they will have a 3 second scene of some guy says "hyperspace shields online".

They literally committed an intergalactic warcrime that even The First Order or Empire before them weren't monsters enough to do.

Damn...

Because back then, women were not in charge, sweetie.

I don’t think Kojima will be directing a SW movie any time soon

>realspace
>hyperspace; a parallel dimension

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The only reason they didn't use Chemical weapons in WW2 is because they weren't effective in a much more mobile war. It worked in WW1 because the frontlines were pretty static and the delivery system was primitive, and even then there was the possibility that the gas would just drift back into your own lines.

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>I don't know anything about Star Wars but let me tell you how things work.

The Flintstones wasn't trying to take itself seriously.

gave me a chuckle

The citizens of Bedrock are latent psykers.

My head cannon is that hyper space is another dimension but also one that is affected by the "current dimension" in terms of gravity.

Fire up the hyper drive, you slip into another dimension but if you come to close to something with a decent amount of gravity, you will get pulled out of hyper space.

Also in my mind the sequels dont exist so i dont really care either way.

>Ignoring all the fighters that died so that proton torpedo could be delivered on target.

Nah, I've jumped through a Star Destroyer. You just need to slow down to calculate and orient your ship onto a hyperlane, which leaves you vulnerable ifenemies are near.

>kids movie
>all the basement manchild scientists waddle out of the woodwork to explain and argue

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>that makes normies irrationally ass hurt
normalfags are too dumb to notice and therefor to care about internal consistency in fiction.

>PG-13
>kids movie

>alright guys theres this one thing that cant be defended against that is absolutely devastating
>lets all agree not to do it okay?

The Death Star was actually just a gigantic computer, designed to perform the complicated calculations needed to accelerate a small object into hyperspace and hit the target exactly.

>13
>not a kid

Fuck

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How can anyone with a brain actually defend this movie I dont understand.