My mother and my lady sansa asked for mercy but they have the soft hearts of women

Honestly the show died with Joffrey, no one can deny it was the most interesting when he was king

manlet cucked by a short chad

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This is probably how GoT will end, the the ruler will abolish all the houses and replace them with governors and a single standing army, its the only way the series could have a somewhat good ending.

The guy (don't remember name) would've probably beaten the shit out of Joff had he not agreed to come with him, that's how respected Joff was

I’m curious to see how Ilyn would have reacted when he learned that the daughter of the guy who tore out his tongue is back and trying to reinstitute the same status quo from before.

>Yaaasss kalisi break dat wheel

he escaped to his room to hide tho, there's no coming back from that
manlet had to fight in his place and in the end it was grandpa that saved the day

That's so dumb.

>retards wanted to kill joffrey because muh bad king!
>the show never recover after his dead
wow nobody saw that coming

Some of the leaks said that Jon and Dragonwitch will both die and the scooby gang will then install democracy roms into westeros mainframe.

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Pretty sure everyone on this website is Joffrey.

If people keep hating then you'll end up like

>Show markets itself as full of 'morally grey' characters and court intrigue
>Has gradually devolved into 'humans all band together and fight a massive CGI army led by a big bad guy'
For a guy who constantly shits on LOTR because of his huge inferiority complex, I wonder what GRRM thinks of the fact they're essentially doing the exact same thing.

Nice digits, but I'm Jon (Bronn(Rast(Dolores Edd)))

It would be the perfect twist actually. The character that everybody, in-universe and out, wanted dead was actually the only one who could save them all.

>Joffrey was tested by the Blackwater(water), but pussied out
>Joffrey was tested by Tywin (lion), but pussied out
If Joff had survived he would have been tested by his wife, and finally grew some balls. Killing him doomed the world to eternal winter

>monarchy lasting thousands of years suddenly becomes a constitutional democracy overnight because Dany said so
>none of the other lords have any problem with this
Sounds like exactly what D&D would do.

And in his place we got the bro adventures of Bronn and Jaime, so a net gain really.

>I wonder what GRRM thinks of the fact they're essentially doing the exact same thing.
It's probably something like:
>WOW! I really like all this MONEY!

>Bronn > Ilyn
The redditest of redditors

>I wonder what GRRM thinks of the fact they're essentially doing the exact same thing
GRRM was doing the exact same thing, which is why he stopped writing. All that bluster about good and evil being shit yet, like all fantasy trash, his ends up exactly the same.

Come here and say that

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>“I admire Tolkien greatly. His books had enormous influence on me. And the trope that he sort of established—the idea of the Dark Lord and his Evil Minions—in the hands of lesser writers over the years and decades has not served the genre well. It has been beaten to death. The battle of good and evil is a great subject for any book and certainly for a fantasy book, but I think ultimately the battle between good and evil is weighed within the individual human heart and not necessarily between an army of people dressed in white and an army of people dressed in black. When I look at the world, I see that most real living breathing human beings are grey.”

What a fucking hack. Does he really think he's some subversive genius by making his good guys wear black and the bad guys wear white?

Because the jews gave him millions for stealing his work and soul, butchering even worse that it originally were and now he has to cope?

>install democracy
This would be the most unacceptable, because ASOIAF doesnt HAVE democracy or any of its prerequisites. Having them take over, have an irrelevant impulse to rule by the vote of serfs, and then instantly develop some modern democratic government, would be as ridiculous and narrow-minded as of Danearys got in charge and then outlawed fat shaming and turning down transsexuals. Its irrelevant to the setting and would be a ridiculous statement that whatever pop politics we're concerned about now are somehow magical ever-shining beacons of truth and everybpdy's destiny in history is to take a stance on modern news

They didn't steal his work, he willingly sold out his legacy to buy more burgers and then stopped writing.
If he had finished writing BEFORE allowing a show made then I'd just chalk it up to a shitty adaptation. But as it stands he just took his money and ran without giving a shit about all the people who bought the books in the first place.
I think when he croaks his family owes me a refund desu, I never would have started his shitty books if I knew there wasn't ever gonna be an ending.

I'd imagine they would just show that there wouldn't be an Emperor like figure anymore. The rest would be padding bullshit for the main idea of a decentralized government.

Joffrey was the most honest and kind boy the Realm ever saw

> I never would have started his shitty books if I knew there wasn't ever gonna be an ending
Word.
I'd imagine too that he did plan to step up his game and finish the series, but as it turned out, old fat fuck got old and now I'd doubt he'd even be able to finish a clusterfuck like ASoIaF with all the bullshit npc plotlines in it.

Worse still, he was the one actively whoring out his work directly after finishing the third when he was already aware that he was having difficulties coming up with ideas to take the story forward. D&D are the true victims in all of this.

what's wrong with that tho? imagine being in his place, all the success he got was mostly out of luck anyway

Why doesnt GRRM just write the glorious reconciliation second-coming-of-christ fantasy ending the series was designed around? Magic is coming back, let it, and satisfy reader's desire for God to come kill the evil ones and make the good whole again

We should all be so lucky, for sure, but they stole his intent out from under him and he fell into the sidelines as a lazy uninspired fuck

He's an atheist.

>D&D are the true victims in all of this.
I wouldn't go that far but I can't blame them too much.
They have no talent for writing or producing a show, but then neither do I. They never should have been hired in the first place. I just assume HBO thought they could cheap out on not hiring real writers since everything was already written for them (and in their defence, they were right. D&D did a decent job when they still had source material to steal), but they didn't anticipate overtaking the books and having a pair of clowns at the helm of their flagship show. But again, I can't blame HBO for that either because they were under the impression they were ADAPTING a popular book series, not creating their own new fantasy series.
So ultimately, all of the problems come back to George for selling out in the first place and not finishing the books he promised.

Have seen some guy on here before saying Jon doesn't die but dany does. Claimed to work for BBC and seemed legit as he didn't make out he had loads of info just that he was a fan and had done some digging and that was literally the only concrete thing he found

Yeah, an atheist who writes the fulfillment of a Christ prophecy over five books

Are you kidding me?

He was a whiny little shit and a disaster as a King.

Okay, Renly.

t. Stannis

Did be die a virgin?

he did nothing beside decapitating and mutilating some random npcs, all the important decisions were made by the council
he was no different from his dad in relevance

Not all of those deep wounds in Ros were from a crossbow.

Please explain to me why whining is a problem
The issue is his family was severely broken and mentally ill, and didnt command the fear he intended to rule with
And actually LITERALLY the only PNLY reason the Tyrell hag kills him is because he would make an abusive husband for her granddaughter

Most of the 'leaks' suggest Dany dies, but even if the leaks are fake it makes sense.
This show has always been about cheap twists made for reaction videos, killing Dany in the last season is exactly the sort of thing they would do.

And because Loras has the personality of a young Jaime, so throw him, Joff and Margaery together, you've got the makings of Kingslayer stew.

He was a minor (for some reason despite being 19) so had no power beyond the ceremonial anyway. Cersei and Tywin were power-mad so ignored whatever he said in favour of their own hubris and ideas.

He's a white male, the future is female.

Joffrey's irrelevance is because he is unknowingly a pawn in a coup by the elder Lannisters for them to rule themselves

>Was joffrey /ourguy/?

Considering how much empty shite he talked only to shit his breeks so early in the Battle of the Blackwater I'd have to say yes.

Ironically, Joffrey was too much like his brutal stepfather Robert Baratheon, and was basically not invited to the Lannister coup by the people behind it, because he's pretty much a Baratheon

Joffrey is 13 in the books. Kings have regents in ASOIAF until their 16th nameday.

that homicide was fucking stupid, margaery had shown much better manipulating skills over him compared to both the queen and grandpa, which only knew to tell him to go take a nap
in a couple years she could have made him send them both away from the capital and granting tyrell house absolute power
sure, she was walking on thin ice with him, but it was an acceptable risk
tommen was easy to control, yes, but that's true for everyone wanting to manipulate him, while joffrey was barely controllable by most

What are you even talking about?

Robert wasn't cruel. He was a great warrior but he never had joefreys behaviour

his targaryen genocide obsession was quite joffrey-tier

Joffrey's belief that execution is key to leadership comes from growing up in a world built by Robert's ruthless execution of every single Targaryen. In the book where he orders Ned killed, Joffrey is explicitly characterized as seeking the approval of Robert, and takes his role as prince to mean he must train in cruelty to be 'strong' like Robert

Robert says he wishes he could personally kill Rhaegar with his bare hands evety day of his life, and had an anger attack when ordering the assination of Danaerys despite the counsel of Ned

THE WHORE WAS PREGNANT

Was his beating of women because Robert beat Cersei up?

>joffrey
it was LF that took his head

His treatment of Sansa mimics Robert's treatment of Cersei, and his treatment of Ned mimics Robert's treatment of Rhaegar

Was Marge Joffrey's Lyanna?

he only ordered others to beat sansa up tho, he's a gentleman

Based and mockingpilled

His life isnt a perfect mirror of Robert's, but Margaery is a political marriage arranged by the house that eventually kills him in an attempt at a coup, much like Cersei's

bobby b only slapped cersei once

She will become the wheel and she will be killed for it. Hopefully by Jaime, probably by Jorah.

Thats probably not true, but I think Joffrey sees him do it when he does

He popped his cherry when he made those whores torture each other.

but it was literally said in the show that it was the first time you dumb fuck

>They have no talent for writing or producing a show

Yeah all that money, critical acclaim and awards the show has won clearly shows they have no fucking idea what they're doing because reeeeee Stannis was mean and Euron wasn't a gay pirate wearing lipstick!

Why didn't Tywin ask for Jaime to get relieved of the Kingsguard after the rebellion? The Regime was changing anyway plus they needed pardons to stay on, might as well ask that considering his murder of Aerys he is not allowed back like Barristan.
Tywin had the political clout (as evidenced by the Cersei marriage happening) and literally one of the few things he cares about is getting Jaime back as his heir - he suffered countless slights from Aerys but Jaime getting KGd away from him was the one slight that made him give up the Handship.

what job do you think gets jaimie the closest to that juicy cersey pussy?

have to be the "AKTUALY" guy but the night's watch is a democracy. though that means that the populace would be even more inclined not to do that since they don't like the night's watch very much. might change if they manage to beat the white walkers back but i doubt it

I know why Jaime wants the job - but Tywin could've easily made the case that Jaime should not be allowed back on KG. Sure, would've made Jaime unhappy but at that moment he didn't really have much of a standing ground.

>an army of people dressed in white and an army of people dressed in black. When I look at the world, I see that most real living breathing human beings are grey
>Writes a story of an army dressed in black vs an army dressed in gray blue
Wow!

>Why didn't Tywin ask for Jaime to get relieved of the Kingsguard after the rebellion?

He probably did and Robert probably denied him because why should Tywin get everything he wants? Kingsguard are also hostages and not giving Jaime back meant Tywin was still stuck with his freaky, waddling dwaf son. It's telling that Tywin got a Queen out of the deal and some Lannisters as squires at court but was never himself on Robert's small council.

>Incest baby obsessed with being the big and bad leader of those more dangerous than him
Sounds like /pol/ yeah.

he was probably fine with having a lannister queen for the moment, but yeah considering the KG is sworn for life maybe that would have been a good moment to break the deal

Lol he has no clue how evil Cersei is.

It is obvious at this point that he either has no ending or knows his ending sucks. So he won't release his ending because it would tank the viewership of the HBO shows and end the money stream. The easy way out would of been to pretend he had the ending writen and was just waiting for the HBO show to avoid spoilers.

>but he chickened out hard when the moment came
He was like 14 I mean come on

Democracy leads to election shit flinging and propaganda operations lasting for decades to get your vote, fuck that keep the monarchies.

nothing bad in being a coward per se, but he always larped as some big shot

Yet he thought himself old enough to be king, threaten to rape other men’s wives and execute those with more experience in their lives.

All Targaryen shits deserve the hammer.

It's in no way anything like Christ.
His prophecy is literally anime tier heroics.

>Danny and Jon make a final sacrafice in battle to win the day.
>Emotional scene of them dieing.
>Fade to black.
>Suddenly Jon wakes up.
>He was again revived by the gods.
>Jon is now sad king.
>Much tragic.

T. Punnished Sansa.

Jaike wanted to be Kingsguard. Tywin did everything in his power to get Jaime off his path, but Jaime did not consent to leave

don't you have some piss to release in your pants

Consent doesn't enter into it. If Tywin gets Robert to relieve Jaime of the KG then Jaime can't just say 'nuh uh I'm staying'.
Of course, he could spite Tywin in other ways.

is a democratically elected dictatorship a dictatoship or a democracy?

democracy is the dictatorship of media and retard so I'd say the former

I get the feeling Tywin didnt get to tell Robert what to do, to his face like that

>women are the kinderand gentler sex

lmao this was written by a clueless man

He was represented by a member of the Kingsguard so it count.

that's not how phisical world works

Literally a conqueror who killed babies.

Friendly reminder that the bad pussy episode won the Emmy for best writing.

Maario Naharis

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Came here for this. Based

Imagine being so contrarian you genuinely like one of the most unapologetically evil characters of the series.

Imagine being so contrarian of an author that you have the villain say some smart ideas here and there just to be subversive

Robert didn't really like Tywin or Jamie. I doubt he would of said yes.

More wine, your grace!?

Of course you did, since you were the one to post it...

>dual wielding

Tywin would have only accepted the hand position and Robert was never going to replace Jon Arryn

>had three Starks
>lost two
Fail.

based

an important thing to remember here is that Joffrey was a 13 year old boy with almost nobody restraining him or educating him the right way

when you think about it his behavior isn't actually very different to most 13 year olds if they had the power to cut people's heads off

>less than a minute apart

>at the end
They’re gonna do some dumb unrealistic shit that conforms to non-controversial ideals (liberal) in a show that claims to be a low fantasy with gritty “real ness”. Like suddenly make everyone forget their differences and live together, have ALL of the Wildlings come through and somehow live peacefully with everyone else, etc.

>and watch them cop out hard by saying “but it’s just a fantasy show, what are you a retarded alt right Nazi?” the moment a retarded ending is called out

not him but phoneposting samefagging is standard strategy to validate any argument

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