Literally everyone wants a happy ending

Did Sam and Rosie have kids or did Sam help raise her kids by other hobbits? When they get married there are 4 hobbit kids at the altar, they look like the ones he hugs in the last scene.

Are all Americans this stupid?

It's an allegory for men never truly returning from the war you fucking brainlet.

>fade to black and wait several seconds before things stop happening again
exactly what European films do this, retard?

>HURR DURR TOO MANY ENDINGS
>I SAW PEOPLE LEAVING THE THEATER HURR DURR

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Movie should have ended right here

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t. never watched a film made before 1970

>he thinks the binary is american & european
>when discussing a new zealand film

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EHHHHH!!! Wrong!

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>They're told to you in the last scene of the film with no explanation.
Frodo gets stabbed with a Morgul blade in the first film. They explain that the wound will never completely heal though they seemed to halt it. Frodo reveals at the end that it's still slowly killing him, which is why he has to go.

>filmed in New Zealand = NZ film
lmao, so what is Xena a New Zealand series?

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>They should have all lived next to each other forever to plan the next great adventure!

The quest wasn't fun, user. They didn't do it because of a thirst for adventure or treasure or whatever, and they were all scarred from the experience. If it took Frodo saying it at the end for you to realize that, it's probably because you're emotionally retarded. It's not The Hobbit, it's not about going on an exciting road-trip with your buds and coming home to drink brewskies.

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>pre-production in new zealand
>all props and physical effects in new zealand
>filmed in new zealand
>edited, all special effects, all post production in new zealand
>90% of key creatives are new zealanders
>director is a new zealander who lives in new zealand
>new zealand landscape is a key element of the film

>so what is Xena a New Zealand series?
yes

It was produced, directed and written by Americans. At best it is a co-production, to ignore the American element is pure willful ignorance

>LoTR should end like Star Wars, the characters should all live happily ever after with no meaningful or implied effects of going through an existential war involving slaughter on a massive scale

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it was fun for legolas and gimli and to a lesser extent aragorn
it was fun for pippin and merry

it was not fun for frodo and sam because of the ring
it was not fun for gandalf and boromir because they had more personal responsibility for it and more awareness of the gravity of the situation

It's an example of the classic Pyrrhic victory and harkens back to the theme of war and sacrifice that dominated all the films. Tolkein was a veteran of WW1 and saw many brits who lived normal country lives have their innocence stripped away. Frodo and hobbits in general represented the English prole, taken away from their idyllic country lifestyle and exposed to horrors beyond imagining. It would have betrayed the point of Frodo's story to give him a normal Disney happy ending. Every wartime victory comes at a great cost and it's downright insulting to ignore.

alright i'll admit ignorance and give you xena lol

i worked with lucy lawless once btw. she was a bit of a showoff bitch

Yeah but I bet she fucks like a champ

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she is for sure a 10/10 milf in person

*BRAAAAAAAAAFFFFFFPPPPPPPT*
SNIIIIFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
AHHHHHHHH TRULY RANCID, MY DEAR

I would eat her husband Rob's cum out of her ass, just sayin'

Legolas and Gimli are relegated almost entirely to comic relief in the movies, but they still all have numerous moments of loss, grief, and despair

Merry and Pippin sure didn't have much fun getting captured by Orcs or at Minas Tirith, in the battle or while searching through corpses for each other.

Sam goes to undying lands after his children are all grown up and his wife had died. He was also a ringbearer.

>Frodo reveals at the end that it's still slowly killing him
Except he doesn't say that.
It wouldn't have to be for fun, it's a job that has to be done. They would be scarred, so they can't just go back and live a normal life, they'd push themselves back into the fight. If anything that could be more tragic than the real ending.

Sam had a bunch of kids, got elected the Mayor of Hobbiton, and used the seeds Galadriel gave him to replant the Shire, then passed over the sea after Rosie died.

Oh, wait, did you mean the movie? Yeah, we can assume those are his kids, because they mention years had passed since their adventure, and Frodo chose to leave. I think. Jackson, you lazy bastard.

They had children of their own. Sam gives bilbos/frodos book to them when he leaves to the undying lands.

fuck sw (original trilogy) and fuck lotr

Well yes, i'm not suggesting that it's a walk in the park, but it is still, in essence, a fun adventure. They are resilient, and at the end of it, they are all stronger people, who could probably function better on greater adventures.

Sam and Frodo and Gandalf and Boromir are broken. Their adventuring days are over.

>produced
half and half by a New Zealand company and an American one
>directed
By a New Zealander
>written
by 3 New Zealanders (Walsh, Boyers, and Jackson), based on books by a British author.

Want to try again?

Yeah, Boromir dying tends to put the brakes on his adventuring.

The showrunners, the people responsible for every creative decision, were Americans from the first to last episode. So yeah, get fucked

Wait, you think we're talking about Lord of the Rings, I just realized. We're not

The Hobbits aren't like...U.S. Marines who can go and reenlist. They aren't professional soldiers, or even adventurers, and never will be. Furthermore, who would they fight? Remnant packs of Orcs? It's really not something they're suited for. Like I said they aren't even adventurers, they merely survived.

also Weta Workshop, Richard Taylor and Peter had been honing their craft in New Zealand on NZ projects for decades. So the amazing physical effects, props, and costumes, put LOTR squarely in the canon of New Zealand film.

If you watch BrainDead (an amazing classic in its own right), you can see them practicing that stuff for LOTR.

It is a key element of what made LOTR so good.

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HALF of them are, so get to fucking yourself, autist. The entire production was New Zealand based, dummy.

"I know the word showrunner, so I know things! Reeeeeeee"

Fucking autists, man.

We aren't talking about LOTR but okay

ghost in the shell 1995

>>filmed in New Zealand = NZ film
>americans think they made LOTR

>we waz filmmakers an sheet

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What is your point exactly? You clearly thought we were talking about LOTR when we weren't, and now you're just losing your shit. Calm down

I'm drunk fuck off

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>The Hobbits aren't like...U.S. Marines who can go and reenlist
The king of Gondor can get them whatever job they want.
>Furthermore, who would they fight
>no evil exists without orcs
>It's really not something they're suited for.
That's the sad part retard.

Isnt that kinda what happened? Gimli and Legolas keep on traveling together, Merin and Pippin grow to be huge for Hobbit standards and become Knights of Gondor

>The showrunners, the people responsible for every creative decision,
'responsible' for every creative decision doesn't mean that they're the only ones with any creative impact.

I'm pretty sure if you look at the crew of anything produced in NZ, including Xena, you'll see that a lot of the key people and the majority of the crew, cinematographer, production designer, casting director, line producer, art designer, art director, etc will be New Zealanders. Because the talent exists here, and it's much cheaper to use it, than fly in Americans (or whoever).

So while it's true that the showrunners are responsible for every creative decision (for everything really), they aren't really making the vast majority of those decisions.

It's clearly an American/NZ co-production. LOTR isn't. It just has American money. LOTR is just a NZ film.

Okay man I'm really drunk and just wanted to argue with people because I'm a faggot. Can we just agree that Xena was a great show?

Can we also agree that Xena suffered greatly when LOTR poached many of their crew?

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>we waz filmmakers an sheet
>not "Once Were Filmmakers"
You had one job, user.

>they are all stronger people
Citation needed*

The whole point is that they are less than they were at the start. That nothing they did was for personal gain, and they had to sacrifice to do it. Greater adventures? They survived an existential war were literally everything good in the world was at stake and they all endured soul-rending trauma that will follow them forever. To try and extrapolate some kind of net-gain and spin it off as an overall positive character development is a frankly insulting dismissal of the psychological trauma of war.

Or, you're a faggot who's easily baited.

lol it's cool user, i'm essentially just rambling and stuff because i enjoy the discussion. I'm not trying to 'btfo' you or anything

this guy is some kind of lovecraftian horror. its partly disgusting and terrifying

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Well you kinda BTFO me anyway and my anus is a little raw, go easy next time

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>The whole point is that they are less than they were at the start
Are you fucking joking bro?
Aragorn literally finds himself in the process and becomes a king.
Pippin & Merry see some shit, sure, but they become fucking bosses.
Legolas & Gimli enjoy their work counting heads and overcome their tribalism (especially in lothlorien in the books), to essentially become modern people who fit in in the world, and escape being tied just to the fate of their both dying civilisations.

Those cunts don't have ptsd. They don't need to settle down for a quiet life. They'll enjoy peace and the experience was once in a lifetime, but they're not broken.

Frodo, Sam, Gandalf and Boromir are fucking broken.

I want to go watch a movie in America just to see what you retarded mutts do during it.

Aragorn wasn't the main character, the story should not have ended on his resolution. We needed the hobbits back in the Shire for Frodo's resolution.

Those were just the ring children. Probably from Sam's or Rosie's relatives.

and you just know that when they come bouncing into the room in rivendell that pippin and merry have been standing on boxes and slaying elf pussy for weeks

There is clapping involved, it's not just a meme. Also if it longer than 100 minutes you will hear complaints

t. person you are responding to

the boomer sitting next to me for Shoplifters got visibly upset when the film didn't end at the beach scene around 90 minutes and there was another act

haha ; ) you like it

The three elves going with him on the boar literally tell you where they’re going you utter cretin. Grow a brain cell.

>we have no idea what to do with our hands

It's symbolic. Understanding what literally happens is missing the point because that ultimately just represents something.

If you don't understand sailing off into the sunset with two old men and a dying race then looking it up on wikipedia isn't going to help you

I probably would let you fuck my ass tbqh

But super hero movies are always at least 2 hours long and amerifats love them.