>whole point of the alien is that it's the perfect killing machine and humans have no chance of defeating it
>cameron turns it into a creepy spider that can be killed with ease by faggy space marines and their machine guns
James Cameron is a fucking hack and besides Terminator, he's never made a good film. Fuck him and FUCK Aliens. It's utter trash.
It didn’t adapt to human weaponry.
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Stop with this shitty bait threads, woman. You don't even change your posts I remember them. Or is it just to see how many people didn't watch the first movie where Ripley impales the alien on a harpoon gun. But yes let's talk about O'Bannon explaining that he designed it to survive armor-pierceng ammo from the future.
I prefer Alien, but the sequal is a great movie in it's own right.
The alien from the space jockey was ubermensch alien. The aliens from the colonists were untermensch aliens. Hope that clears it up!
That's why Alien3 is so fuckin based.
She managed to laid a final egg in sulaco. Queen won.
it doesn't fucking matter if it got injured or not
The problem is how the movie turned one threatening, intelligent ultra beast into literal bugs by the thousands
whole point of the alien is that it's the perfect killing machine and humans have no chance of defeating it
Says who?
Cameron 100 percent unironically did a masterful job subverting the audience's expectations, thinking the movie would just be about gunning down xenomorphs, instead turning it into a frantic and terrifying race for survival.
>frantic and terrifying race for survival
>a little girl screeching and somehow survivng amongst hundreds of higher lifeforms
more like he turned it into schlock.
He's confusing what Ash said in the first movie. Ash DOES call it the perfect killing machine, but because it has no empathy, no remorse. And he DOES say that they stand no chance against it, but he's specifically referring to a deep=space salvage crew with no weapons to speak of and no knowledge about what's hunting them.
He says perfect organism not killing machine retard
Y-yeah but muh I like to keep this for close encounters, etc.
This is why Alien 3 >>> Aliens because it takes a coordinate effort from multiple humans to kill just 1 (one) Xenomorph rather than the canon fodder that was in Aliens.
999 emergency trips of truth.
>I like to keep this for close encounters
cameron is such a FUCKING hack!
Well steady on now it was a good film.
The whole threat of the alien in 1 is that the cast is a bunch of unarmed truckers in a ship that will decompress if the alien bleeds too much. It's like if you set loose a Tiger in a locked office building. Doesn't matter how easy it is to gun down a Tiger when all you have is a stapler.
Cameron is shit. News at 11
I haven't watched it in a long time but I remember one thing bothering me: Why did she antagonize the one guy who was from the company and knew what was going on?
Burk functioned as this movie's Ash character: serving an ulterior motive for a faceless company to bring back an alien specimen at the calculated expense of everyone else. Ripley already went through that scenario once before and was extremely skeptical about Burk's intentions rather than taking his words at face value.
the aliens slaughtered everyone except three people and a robot though
you miss the point
alien loses the once unique element it had
Being a silent, unemotional, intelligent, apex predator in cramped ship environments in favor of ant zombies that screech like faggots for bad*ss dudebros and Hispanic chicks wielding Gatling guns
BUT GUNS AND MARINES BAD!!!!!
ALIEN IS SUPPOSED TO BE INVINCIBLE AND THE BESTEST EVER!!!! ANDROID MILK BARF MAN SAID SO!
The dudebros literally get slaughtered upon first contact. The movies runtime mostly consists of the survivors huddling in a room terrified.
Is this bait?
doesn't fucking matter
whole atmosphere and speed of the movie is just Ridley running around killing aliens with a little girl
>DUDE WHY ARE PEOPLE MAD THAT A 10/10 HORROR MOVIE IS FOLLOWED BY A MOVIE IN A FLOODED GENRE
Xenomorphs arent meant to be invincible, it's just that it is highly adaptable, has a wide range if abilities and traits like acid blood that make it a bitch to kill, and can easily overpower planets through sheer numbers. Human weaponry should still damage it.
And it was still a immensely inferior movie. Script, setting, characters, effects. Alien3 is a gray dry slog that attempts to erase the second movie without capturing anything that made the first one a classic. It wasn't afraid to take risks I'll give it that, but it was still garbage.
It's true that this is part of the mystique. When I was young and I watched the original film, I took Ash quasi-literally: the Alien is (literally) immortal, un-killable. However, the original film itself suggests otherwise, as the thing is at least blasted out into the vacuum of space. If it's still alive, it's at least no longer a threat to anyone.
But when you watch again, a more reasonable explanation becomes clear: Ash has been rendered nearly powerless, but he can still speak a bit. He's simply doing his best to carry out his mission: demoralize crew, tell them that they can't kill it (that is: lie), so don't even try.
Speaking of "reasonable explanations", Ash does mention to Ripley that one exists right before they each flip out, in turn. A more interesting theory: he was actually being truthful. Maybe there's some Prometheus-tier existential threat to the entire human species which makes it imperative that alien specimens be gathered, the better to fight/understand whatever the un-named threat is. Not that Ripley was in any mood to listen, of course.
>And it was still a immensely inferior movie.
For you, and for plebs, yeah.
Oh yeah, great movie. The only character the audience gives a fuck about can't be fucking killed by the Xeno because she's carrying a queen inside her belly. There's no tension, nothing at stake, she's a walking corpse fated to self-destruction with the rest of the bald limey scumbag fodder.
>rest of the bald limey scumbag fodder.
Oh so we can see what your real axe to grind is, that Alien 3 is full of excellent British actors and you can't handle this fact. Opinion disregarded.
Even the director is ashamed of it. Want to call Fincher a pleb as well?
>Fincher a pleb as well?
Yes.
Not that guy but citing good/accomplished actors is no defense of the quality of a film, least of all when the film in question is in fact inferior tripe, as the other guy who I am not correctly indicated. Actors take work, cash checks, and hope it all goes well when it's done, which is first of all the director's job, and also to a large extent the producer/marketing side. Pete Postlethwaite and Charles Dance won't save you from having poor taste, user. For better projects involving either of these, try Brassed Off or one of those costume dramas that Dance is in.
>Not that guy
Nice try, pleb.
Why are the engineers so small in the shitty prequels?
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you shouldn't use words you don't understand
>Lone killing machine very nearly killys an entire ships crew while fucking with them along the way
>A group of said machines are more than a match a squad of marines armed with future military weaponry
I dont know... they seem to have remained consistently lethal to humans.
>more than a match
>literally dozens of them are splattered just to kill like 5 or 6 people
Oh yeah, they sure are a threat to those marines. Only when they have a numerical advantage though.
While I agree with OP, I think the issue lies not solely in the lethality/vulnerability change between movies. The Alien, while clearly one of a potential many (eggs in the crashed ship), still seems to function as a solitary predator. And even moreso, it displays considerable intelligence, even suggesting self awareness/consciousness. It makes complex deductions and decisions in an entirely foreign and new environment (exploiting the Nostromo's design, knowing to evacuate when it was self destructing, and where to go to do so), and displays what could be called a malevolence towards its victims, (the questionable rape, toying with victims, etc) again suggesting that this isnt just a drone running purely on a predatory instinct. That being said, we don't see what actually happens to its victims, they're certainly not being eaten (which brings up yet another mystery about its biology) We don't even know WHY it's so aggressively hostile, or why it even kills in the first place, what its life cycle is, why its described by ash as a weapon, etc. (speaking for the theatrical cut, which should really be considered a standalone, dont come at me with that engineer/black goo bullshit). I think they hit a perfect pitch of believable ambiguity/existential dread with Alien, a creature of murky celestial origin with nuanced intelligence and motive, that stalks and can kill with the efficiency and efficacy of an apex predator, but that hints at very human traits of sadism and psychopathy.
That eerie shot of the crashed jockey ship in Alien is one of my favorite in film, and all I remember from Aliens is 80s action bullshit in a series of blue toned hallways.
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About 100 were able to swarm and kill a unit of highly advanced space marines packing high powered weaponary. They increasingly showed the ability to adapt whenever the humans did.
He comments on making movies, not the content of Alien 3 itself?
>hurrr da alien was supposed to be invincible!
total fucking brainlet thinking showing you never watched the movie
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Yeah and dozens of them were torn to literal shreds before they killed those few people. Really cheapens their presence if they're treated like fodder like that. Xenomorphs are not supposed to be like zombies where you can gun down dozens of them and they only get you if you're cornered or out of ammo.
Threadly reminder that Alien > Alien: Isolation >>>>> Aliens
Rest is utter dogshit
Aliens is kino and T2 is vastly superior to the original Terminator. OP is a dipshit.
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