Whats the Godzilla movie with the most soul? Also, Godzilla thread

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A steady adventure/revenge movie with a giant moth. One of the best.

>a giant moth
cut the normiespeak, she's much more than that and you know it

1. Gojira
2. Destroyah - honestly serves as the true ending to Godzilla
3. GMK - it follows through with the idea of Godzilla being used by filmmakers to represent a multitude prominent ideas
4’ish. Smog Monster - Godzilla represents the environmentally progressive ideals of 1970’s Japan. Although the movie is meh, it shows how flexible Godzilla is as a character.

I didn't mean she was goofy and simple. I agreed with you. The 1961 movie is one of the best.

This. Part of why vs Destoroyah is my favorite Godzilla movie is it has the best ending out there, even better than Terror of Mechagodzilla, better than any of the endings to the stand alone Millennium films, only Final Wars comes and Terror of Mechagodzilla comes close

Godzilla vs hedorah

>Destroyah
>soulful

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>Destoroyah
>not soulful

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easy lads, the last 5 minutes are defo incredibly soulful. rest of the movie is potter-tier, but not unwatchable

Most thoughtful/soulful: Gojira
Literally the most souls: GMK

Intentionally soulless: Shin

Ifukube 'Requiem' = soul

I felt even from the opening of the movie there's this overhanging sense of doom and grief. Even the acting of the man in the suit makes it look like Godzilla is suffering. It's a great movie and I will personally fight anyone who says otherwise

>Most powerful godzilla incarnation (Burning)
>Fighting a creature spawned by what killed the original
>Godzilla sacrifices himself to save Junior showing that he had a paternal connection
If you can't appreciate this, you are lost

Here's to hoping

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Logical conclusion of the nuclear weapon allegory started all the way back in '54.
"So many decades later, we have become complacent to the danger of these weapons, and cannot deal with the crisis' of our times."
So lets shoot it with ice lazers quick time

Is there anything that can stand up to Burning Legendary G?

nah, I'm just bored with the same old giant bug, bugspray, hide your sweaters etc. redditness every time Mothra comes up. glad you're a fan, though.

(different user, btw, doesn't deserve the blame for my autism)

was it the last score he's ever did? certainly one of his best IMO.

Himself

Godzilla 2000 was so plain. I can't believe I like Godzilla vs. Megaguirus more it appeared so boring. Godzilla design from that period is one of my favorites. I feel like I need to rewatch GMK again to see how the fantasy subplot hold up. Each time I do a rewatch I get slightly different feeling. On the last heisei repeat I liked Mothra and Destroyah better, Mechagodzilla still great, SpaceGodzilla still weak and still have mixed feelings towards Biollante (talking about movies not monsters). Millennium was still more inconsistent and it's just the fans who decided that it's going to be a single series.

Bagan

Godzilla belongs to the entire world and even though he should always come back to Japan and stay through to his origins the series needs to also expand by making it an international affair like in the IDW comics and KotM - Change My Mind

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On one hand it's because of this we got Ghidorah in Millennium at all but it's a negative thing that the original lineup was changed.

>international affair
boring, he should do more stuff on other planets

Yes, it was. And while writing it he said he felt as if he was writing for his own funeral.

That's cool. The '61 Mothra Larvae is my favorite special effect that Toho has ever done. Mothra as a peace keeper makes her cool because people can matter to her in a story.

Also yes, Godzilla '95 was Ifukube's last kaiju score.

Aren't you tired of Godzilla historians claiming that Ishiro Honda was more political than he was in real life? After Shin Godzilla most of the acclaimed authors said that it betrayed original left wing vision (can't a guy just be pacifistic?). People overestimate the message of these movies. Most of them end up with characters just saying things regardless of the main plot. Usually something like "Unless we learn to respect plants and animals giant monsters will come to get us".

I remember he died on my birthday. It was a weird period for Godzilla fans. I became a fan during this period right after Final Wars without even seeing it or 99% of other Toho movies but still in a way it was a great period for Godzilla on the internet before absolute Toho Kingdom dominance. We had a thread some time ago about those old websites, some of them are still out there some were delated more than a decade ago.

guess how I know you're not actually familiar with these movies.

>Burning Godzilla isn't the strongest and that isn't relevant anyway
>Even if Destoroyah's relationship to the oxygen destroyer amounted to anything, he doesn't even kill Godzilla
>Godzilla didn't die to save Junior. He was going to die no matter what.

Please stop. Destoroyah has no message. The oxygen destroyer is pointless after the first act and the movie becomes generic Godzilla material besides its sad final minutes. Connecting Destoroyah to Serizawa cheapens Serizawa's sacrifice and lets Dr. Ijun get away consequenceless.

I know for a fact you're full of shit on this one.

>Most of them end up with characters just saying things regardless of the main plot. Usually something like "Unless we learn to respect plants and animals giant monsters will come to get us".
Literally the last few Heisei movies.

>the Godzilla movie with the most soul
Prove me wrong

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Or a couple movies from the 60s. Of course the very existence of Godzilla is a walking message but as some of these authors pointed out themselves after the original they became typical franchise movies. It was different in non-Godzilla monster movies but Honda wasn't really an overtly political guy he was just chill and liked sci fi. Atragon is his most political work. It's been a while but I don't know if it wasn't just an appeal to moderation against pro-imperial sentiments. This is something most people can get behind.

I've never seen a Godzilla movie but I want to get into them. Where do I start? The original?

The animated series based on this had way more soul.

fuck's sake, how did you know.

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Yes. Someone who cares more will post one of two or three charts that people made. If you're not tolerant to pre-cgi special effects stick to the original, non-american version from 1954 and then maybe from 1984 onwards for better technique but still practical effects. If not then a couple movies from the 60s especially Mothra vs. Godzilla are still fine.

>Or a couple movies from the 60s.
Which ones? The themes literally drive the plots of King Kong vs Godzilla and Mothra vs Godzilla. Monster Zero seems inspired by the political landscape of its time and Godzilla's Revenge is a reflection of the changing social and domestic dynamics thanks to the economic boom. The others don't mention a theme or pretend to have one.

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Cool, thanks user

>1984 onwards for better technique but still practical effects
Are the effects in those films really better than what Toho was doing back when they afforded these movies a budget? So, 1954-1966.

The 60s were a good time for Japan so movies are more positive and fantasy-like. In another book I read that it was when south (or south seas to be exact) were established as the "wild west" in Japanese imagination so many threats came from there.

pay absolutely no attention to the rec charts you're about to get bombarded with, just look up plot descriptions, monsters, maybe clips and check out the ones that look interesting to you. continuity and watching them in order doesn't really matter.

the original (1954) is the best one, but not the most fun, and definitely not the most representative of the series.

Sure. But a fantasy approach doesn't preclude them from having a message or theme. Those can exist in non-serious movies.

Godzilla from 1954 is in black and white and hides the limitations perfectly. I don't even know if they weren't genuinely trying to make it look like a newsreel footage (at one point Godzilla is walking thought burning Tokyo and camera just slows down it looks incredible). There are only two effects that look bad one is Godzilla's puppet and the other is the scene where he destroys a truck. Rodan clearly had a decent budget, the miniatures have more detail. In King Kong vs Godzilla everything looks more ugly but after that until the financial trouble in the 70s the effects looked fine. You knew what it was but it had charm. Because of tv Godzilla movies were in trouble in the 70s and so the effects in those movies looked worse at times. Those from the 80s an later make me think of other movies from that time that used practical effects like Tremors. Godzilla was in the same league.

I really liked destroyah. I thought that was a pretty good run of films, but I really enjoyed shin. Reminded me of the horror part of the orignial.

>Those from the 80s an later make me think of other movies from that time that used practical effects like Tremors. Godzilla was in the same league.
Does Toho's work in the 80s and 90s compare well to what Hollywood was doing at the time? Maybe Biollante. But afterwards its downhill.

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Not the top tier but some smaller sci fi hollywood movies that are now cult classics (and not those camp cult classics like The Stuff).

feels good that they had G' 85 out here in the states as well as 2000 despite what most feel about it. Really anticipating this new one after 2014 debacle

Yeah. King Ghidorah has its moments. But there are some rotten effects in that one, too.

Based. Zilla Jr. was my man

follow up question: where can I watch these? I'm not finding any good torrents and the DVD releases are all over the place.

Finding English versions is easy enough for usually longer Japanese versions with embedded subtitles there were some torrents back in the day for the entire pack maybe there still are on torrents.me. Through this one I found original versions of the most obsucre of Toho movies that I had been looking for for months or even years.