Star Wars

A retarded notion as luke mustve trained kylo and other students for at least a few yrs in saber combat

literally me

they could've even trained with sticks at first

>twirls into frame
>does one hitting motion
>twirls out of frame

Nolan would be proud.

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The Jedi used training lightsabers that were exactly like normal lightsabers but can't through stuff.

I think this is a case of "it looks fine if you just kind of stare at the center of the screen" like most people do, the moment you start looking at individual actions it all falls apart

What if it was bad on purpose to create a b-movie vibe?

Obi wan vs anakin is the best star wars fight

At 6 seconds the guard's weapon literally goes through Ren's lightsaber.

>complain about sword dance "fighting" in the prequels
>TLJ comes out
>complain about no sword dance "fighting"

Welcome to the Star Wars fandom. Been retardedly splintered since 1999.

Reminder Rey and Kylo are weaklings. Lower than Darth Maul.

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>george's masterpiece actually had lightsaber techniques that the actors were trained to use to stay friendly with he universe

>disney's shitpile is just the actors waving magic wands

soul vs souless

>The fandom is one person

*brainless

youtu.be/AmR5LoyZ4jw

Literally better than any of this shit they put out now

Why didn’t Anakin just use za warudo on Obi Wan to beat him?

Lol. Have you seen Empire?

that's pretty neato

What's the best Star Wars duel?
youtube.com/watch?v=yHqdESArkqU

Luke/Vader in ESB.

There's more flippy shit in here than a young bucks match.
>why are they spinning backwards and forwards?
>why did the guy try a running decapitation strike instead of just poking them with his spearaxe?
>why did they all wait on the left until the chick stabbed one of their mates?
>why did none of the three guys on the left try a fake high-lo attack?
>what happened to the 4th guy on the left who spins backwards and never comes back?
>why is the sword guy on the right stabbing air?

>half an hour in a battle sequence we know how is it going to end, removing all tension such scene could have, making it simply filler.
>Filler again.
Johnson, he was a good friend.

it's garbage
ROTS is the patrician star wars experience

This is cool though if you watch closely you notice almost none of the strikes are intended to actually hit the opponent, they're just finding creative ways to quickly tap their sabers against each other

nothing beats vader hammering down on young luke before cutting his hand

Yes, I have.

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That's the best one for straight up Jedi dueling, but the ESB and ROTJ ones are the best for story and emotion.

and now post the webm with vader towering over luke and letting his strikes rain down on him

Can't find it. Someone else probably has it.

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> Runs away pretending to still be fighting.

BASED RED GUARD.

>he thinks the episode 3 fight was good and not a complete clusterfuck of visuals and overacting
cringe

that behind the scenes tlj video with that chink saying how good daisy was with the light saber stuff so fucking retarded. Every scene in both movies she looks utterly retarded, she couldn't even swing at a rock convincingly

All lightsaber duels in Star Wars lack weight and good fight coreography.

The OT duels manage to mask this flaw by focusing less on the fight overall, instead the duels tend to progress the plot in more than just bad guy loses, you usually find out the stakes (ROTJ: if luke doesn't win, leia may be next) or it serves as a moment of growth (ANH: luke loses his mentor) or it's the backdrop for a dramatic reveal (ESB: Darth Vader is luke's dad).

Most people remember the duel of fates more fondly from the prequels because of memorable set pieces (the lazer gates, obi wan near fall into the pit), music and the way it kills off the mentor character. All other fights in the prequels tend to amount not much narratively, being either a binary resolution of either a win or a loss, adding nothing to the overall narrative and characters, in turn putting the lightsaber duel to the forefront increasing the lenght and the sunts, but as i said before the duels are never good, so overall they are pointless and could be resolved in some other way narraively that wouldn't require to people angrily spin glowsticks at each other for 5 minutes.

Both scenes are shit.

Yeah, I said it. They're both used as vehicles for the visuals. The only caveat the RotS fight has is that it led to the origin of Vader's injuries. Other than that, it's insanely overrated.

They're spinning around, exposing their vulnerable backs way too often.

>be guard in back right
>sprint 20 feet to engage enemy
>completely miss weapon swing
>run another 15 feet or so
>turn around and sprint back just to be impaled in chest

It really is stupid individually

most of the problems arise from rey and kylo clearly missing their marks and the guards having to compensate for it. why did they not shoot it again to get it right, i've no idea

It had less dancing but still wasn't good.

Because it was cheaper not too and they were going to make bank if they literally just recorded someone taking a shit on a spaceship.

The Jedi order that trained Obi Wan and Anakin to be space ninjas got fucked.

You guys still bitter about Captain Marvel huh?

not any more

>both look terrible
what's your point?

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desu i didn't mind both.

I hope you're right. This shit needs to fucking die.

Just pick one person in that scene and watch them

Just don't pay for it user, that's all you have to do.

Fuck off, Rian. Obi Wan vs Anakin Rocked.

>Yea Forums is now so contrarian and butthurt about TLJ it pretends the anakin vs obi-wan fight was good

jesus christ

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I'm not going to see this bullshit. That doesn't mean the stupid plebs won't though.

The guards are guarding a dangerous and very rich man and they fight like fucking retards. Their special armour means they should be worth something but they're shit like the way they've handled Disney

The Prequels were always good. It was millennials and zoomers that always hated them.

Like your family and friends?

Prequels were great, you red letter media shit stain.

Based and true Rots is a great film and there are many great things about the other 2 films. The new trilogy is a blight

>the people who grew up with the prequels hated them
are you fucking retarded? Gen y loved the prequels.

Family? Unlikely. What friends?

user, no need to get mad over fanfiction. These Disney "movies" aren't canon. They're just a fun little side project to keep Hollywood jews busy. I mean none of them have ever had real jobs.

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No. When they first came out the hate was SOLID. You couldn't cut it with a knife because it would break the knife. And it all came from the younger millennials. And I just watched the entire time shaking my head at how stupid and histrionic everyone was being.

When did Luke have proper lightsaber training? It's a lost art at this point in the story, unless we're to assume Snoke is proficient.

back to R E D D IT

I was at the midnight opening for all of them dumb fuck.

I never complained about the dancing in the prequels. It was well choreographed. This new shit is awful. Me and my brother with toy lightsabers in the backyard had better duels than this.

What's even worse is how Kylo killed Snoke.
He was supposed to be a Sith Lord and exposes himself likethat? He was that gullible yet managed to rule over the galaxy?

Shitty acting, shitty writing. That whole movie is a fucking dumpsterfire. An insult to the fanbase and every decent director/writer.

The Mustafar fight could have been excellent if they cut out ten minutes and all the Yoda shit. Just go from the landing bay to the control room to the lava river and you would have easily the best scene in the trilogy.
But as it stands it's a bloated fucking mess with horrible comedy.

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You either like the prequel fights or you don't. There is no objectivity to this. They had to make them faster and more refined because the OT shit was not going to work in an era where the jedi were being extensively trained with thousands of years of knowledge and not crash courses from geriatrics who neglected their training for years.

Wait what? Gen X hated the prequels. Millennials grew up with them and constantly defend them now.

It varied. The hatred grew as you got younger in generations.

Kylo trained for like a decade you tard. He's supposed to be like 30 in the movie, he was conceived right after Endor.

The explanation (as retarded as it is) comes from the TLJ novelization, which was approved as being canon by the Story Group and Rian Johnson himself, and it claims that during Kylo's interrogation, Rey was able to steal his training without realizing it, hence her sudden proficiency with the Force from that scene onwards.

Embarrassing retarded nigger

Good thing the editor was on her side.

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You say that like its a bad thing, Maul is canonically a peak Sith and was very almost who Palpatine believed would be the true heir to the Sith, until he discovered Anakin.

Of course Kylo and Rey are weaker than him, they're not even in the same league as Maul. (Although you know, with how Disney portrays Rey, I'm sure she'd find a way to topple him)

this, they never say no. it's not art.
that's why all the aliens look the same and the vfx is outsourced to chinks

You were cum when they came out fuckwit
>It's a zoomer tries to rewrite history episode

>Maul is canonically a peak Sith
No

>steal his training
nani?

Yes you fucking retard, I'd love to know what kind of fucktarded explanation you have to claim otherwise.

He was basically an attack dog to Sidious. Basic force training, lighsaber training but no secrets of the sith revealed to him.

yoda vs palpatine was kino. just cut the climbing tower shit

I love it when you tell it like it is user
nu wars cuck

But I’m a millennial and my dad is Gen X. He hated them as did most people his age and my generation grew to love it. Now the cycle repeats with the ST.

youtube.com/watch?v=yqgTojLf-HE

That's complete outdated headcanon that doesn't reflect Maul at all. Maul demonstrated exceptional strength in the dark side, and performed his role as a true Sith Lord. We've seen him go through meticulous Sith training and tradition on Malachor.

LMAO, you're gonna have to do better than that if you want anybody to take you seriously

It was shit. Utter, pure shit, somehow worse than Dooku vs Yoda, because at least Christopher Lee knew how to fence.
Yoda and Palpatine should never use lightsabers, it looks fucking comical, and the choreography and tone were a complete dissonance from the Mustafar fight.

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I wish I was joking.

screenrant.com/star-wars-rey-jedi-mind-trick/

From the book;
>"Kylo had retreated at finding Rey in his head - had practically fled from her. But that had not been the end of that strange, sudden connection. She had seen more - far more. Somehow, almost instinctually, she knew how he accessed some of the powers at his commend - even though she didn't understand them. It was as if his training had become hers, unlocking and flinging open door after door in her mind"

Kylo, much like the thousands of Jedi, Sith and Force Sensitives before him, had to spend a decade to reach the point he is at. Rey downloaded all his abilities in a minute, no training required.

Was Rey supposed to get stabbed through the chest at this point? It looks like the guard is shoving it through her when it disappears. I can't believe that a Star Wars movie with a $300m budget can let something like this happen. Literally shows that nobody working on this movie actually cared.

I wish this was more accurate. The guy playing Obi-Wan has to be in defense the whole time.

Rey being interrogated "was her training" according to Wookieepedia:
>As a side effect of that mind probe, Rey inadvertently unlocked some of her dormant Force abilities by accessing memories of Ren's training which, in turn, served as her own training in the ways of the Force.[21]

Luke isn't even mentioned in her general character bio, disregarded as "the hermit" instead:
>Though she hoped to rediscover a living legend, as well as a mentor who could help her control her growing powers, Rey found an embittered hermit determined to remain in exile after failing to prevent his nephew Ren's fall from the light side of the Force. Faced with a reluctant teacher whose final goal was to die as the last of the Jedi Order, Rey gradually turned to Ren as the galaxy's last hope.

Rey and the Sequel Trilogy are irredeemable and the sooner we move on from it, the better.

youtube.com/watch?v=RATMJ8JH1qo
youtube.com/watch?v=pfa-Pa5IQLg
These no name dorks made lightsaber duels that were a thousand times better than nuWars. Which Star Wars movies were they influenced by? The prequels.

> The prequels
This is way older than the prequels you dunce.

Honestly thought the throne room brawl was one of the few good scenes in the movie. You virgins are jaded as fuck

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Their first video was this and it was made in 2004, retard.
youtube.com/watch?v=pfa-Pa5IQLg

God dam

Watched The Blackened Mantle recently. That's basically exactly what it did with the Obi Wan and Anakin fight and it cut out the Yoda vs Palpatine shit completely, only time Yoda uses his lightsaber in the movie is to kill the 2 clones on Kashyyyk

Go suck Mikes Johnson, Faggot!

Fucking shit, meant to post this one.
youtube.com/watch?v=8NE5elL30w4

cringe

>Gen y loved the prequels.
Early millennials loathed prequels (with exception of Revenge of the SIth), late millennials like 'em due to childhood nostalgia and being too young to understand what makes a good movie and often didn't compare 'em to OT that they had seen as kid over and over again. Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones are movies that have good parts in 'em, like music, world building and some individual scenes, but just don't work due to pacing issues and tone of various scenes or plots of the movies being inconsistent as hell.

I didn't bother for midnight openings after Episode I. Best part of that opening was unironically the audience. Burned my shoulders and neck badly in queue, skin flaking off badly, pain was on taking off mask level for couple days, stayed red for weeks. Freakishly hot weather for that early into year.

They're both bad but at least the prequels actually put effort in. The duel at the end of TFA was perfectly fine choreography wise, so I'm not sure why they regressed so hard.

>light-sabers

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>'em

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you know you might be right, she makes a pained expression and screams too

The guard was supposed to end the Mary sue, but her Mary Sue powers manifested magic disarming tech.

Also it’s not a “power level” deal like DBZ. Rey was shown earlier in the movie to know how to mellee fight. Also I think it’s implied that anakins lightsaber was pretty much an artifact of serious power. Starwars is filled with that sort of thing. Another starwars thing is the stronger guy kissing the match because sith rely on their passion for their strength.

BUUUTT. They shouldn’t have had Rey beat kylo two movies in a row. She has nothing to overcome now. The movies were bad, but I think the thought process behind a lot of the plot points were good.

What awful choreography. Prequelbabbies defend this shit.

No one gives a shit about Disney canon.

Everyone in this thread is IN this thread because they do, whether you want to admit it or not.

That's the exact opposite, retard. People who grew up with the prequels,loved them as kids and have nostalgia for them now.

If Maul is so good why did he stand around like a retard, while obi wan jumped and get cut in half.

Arrogance, same thing that got every single Sith in the series killed.

Why does Kylo stab the floor for no reason

adrenaline

It looks cool and blocked some dudes swipe.

That's retarded and really lessens his threat.

What is this? Is this pod racing?

You mean the dudes who immediately aimed at his sword AFTER he stabbed the ground?

Shut up cocksucker

And now you understand why the heroes win.

Literally a Uchiha.

I'm just waiting for the book that explains how she's wearing a cortosis plated vest underneath her outfit

how did we allow Disney to torpedo KOTOR Apeiron?

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Wrong.
This is also flagrantly not true. Gen Xers were divided on the Prequels but there was never a universal panning of them by anyone the first years of the PT existing. Now every single sodomite and neckbeard who froths with a deep-seated adoration for Mouse cock seems to think the Prequels are some kind of next-level evil that effected the franchise while utterly fellating every piece of shit for the Sequels and Disney Star Wars in general. And uniformly, all of these people seem to be in their early to mid 20s with liberal arts degree for some odd reason.

I am an "early" millennial if that's the qualification that comes from being 16 in high school when Episode III came out and every single person who attended the midnight release of ROTS were nuts with praise for it for weeks after seeing it.

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Based. Only reddit hates the Prequels, everyone knows the Prequels were the kino of Star Wars with casuals appreciating the OT and subhumans loving the ST.

>people gave George shit for Episode II and Episode III being heavily blue and green screen reliant to create a massive world to expand the universe and lore of Star Wars
>the same people unironically adore every single cape shit movie post-Phase I MCU that is 99% CGI and explosions

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V>VIII>III>II>I>IV>the rest

wrong

V>IV>VI >404

Wrong VI a meh flick and not kino

III = IV > V >= VI > I = II/Clone Wars*

Disney Wars need not apply, it is glorified fan fiction.

VI is great.

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V>IV>III>I>VI>II

Kys asap reddit

this 2bh

You are retarded.

Fuck off Kathleen.

Basically the same thing, desu. Both stupid.

Speilberg directed that lightsaber fight from ROTS, btw.

you're both pretty stupid people, so I'm not even mad

How do OT fans react?

>ugly red background
>with red colored guards
>slow-mo trash injected into the fight scene repeatedly
>terrible fight choreography
If that meets your metric of "good" I hate to see what meets your standard for bad.

They aren't similarly stupid at all. Also its completely unknown what degree Spielberg was involved with the Anakin vs Obi-Wan duel, it could be very little as only Lucas knows how much he did.

aw, is prequelbabby gonna cry?

VIII is way more kino than VI
deal with it

So is episode I

They don't because they don't have anything to react to. No one makes fun of the OT.

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V is great but gets really fucking overrated for years now. The benefit of IV and VI is they can both operate as self-contained movies perfectly fine from start to finish which V can't.

Low tier b8.

>>ugly red background
woah, you mean like the huge red filter over the entire mustafar scene?

Yea Forums exposed yet again

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V>IV>>>>III>VI>VII=I>II>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>VIII

Kathleen pls, even Jar Jar is more likable than Rose, Finn, and Poe.

>huge red filter
>Mustafar
I don't remember there being a gigantic red screen acting as a crimson void throughout the final duel in Episode III.

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Low tier brain volume
VIII is much better than VI if you think otherwise than the medium of film is not for you, you are an enemy to cinema

I enjoy Motti's schoolyard bullying of Vader.

>The farce awakens above
>the last kino
>attack of the kinos
>the phantom kino
KYS ASAP HOMIE

You have fine taste, my friend

I have lived long enough to see my personal fav series of content crushed and minced into a protein drink

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>prequel defenders are also sneedshitters

interesting

Is that why attack of the clones grossed 600 million and the last jedi was the highest grossing film of 2017 and grossed 1.3 billion?

>They aren't similarly stupid at all.

The first duel is just McGregor and christiansen going back and forth with the same move not even trying to defeat eachother. Just hitting swords. Pointless and lame.

>Also its completely unknown what degree Spielberg was involved with the Anakin vs Obi-Wan duel,

It is not unknown. It is documented. Speilberg was responsible for the entire volcano duel. So whenever really stupid kingdom of crystal skulls type action happens - that's steven.

The prequel fights over did it with the acrobatics. I like some of them, particularly the fights against Maul in Episode 1 but Luke vs Vader I and II are the best duels in the series.

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Prequel fights were well choreographed but soulless
Sequel fights are poorly choreographed and soulless

Why put VII so high when the second reason VIII was so bad was all the nonsensical plot setups from VII?
Main reason was Johnson "subverting" expectations, but they were never going to be satisfying anyway.

Older zoomers loved the prequels cause we grew up with them. When i was 8 i didnt know or care how shitty the movie was, general grievous had 4 lightsabers, yoda vs count dooku was epic

sneed

>steven
Fuck that pedo jew. He is complicit in anally raping heather O'Rourke to death

Do you not know how to adjust for inflation, brainlet? Much less Disney months and even weeks before TLJ came out kept claiming it was going to do around to almost as good as TFA ad kept revising their numbers when Forbes and others reported they were being insanely optimistic.

Also if it was so good, why after the first week ALONE did TLJ's numbers at the box office drop 76% and get mauled by a fucking Jumanji sequel staring the Rock? Stay mad.

>It is not unknown.
It is unknown. Because we have NO idea how much Spielberg directd or altered things and no idea how much Lucas changed or revised his input and direction of the final fight scene. Period.

Prequel fights were choreographed well with soul.

AlsoL
>just McGregor and Christensen going back and forth with the same move
Thanks for clarifying you are blind.

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Maybe Rian was trying to Subvert Expectations™ again?

>soulless
>episode I and III fights
LOL

Lucas is also a pedo, you idiot

Although I bet he's too beta to actuall rape a child

>Kathleen pls, even Jar Jar is more likable than Rose, Finn, and Poe
This is honestly true. Never thought about it but now that you mention it, it really is true and im not joking.

You dumb retarded nigger, we used to rewatch prequel duels at school and talk about how kino they were

Not seen any proof. Spielberg is certainly a pedo who rapes kids and there is lots of evidence.

>Episode II opening weekend box office numbers: $110,169,285 (2002) = $156,306,284.35
Not bad considering Lucas's films were made probably at half or less the total budget that the Disney ones are and weren't trying to suck Chinese cock at the same time too.

>prequel acrobatic light saber duels
youtube.com/watch?v=J0mUVY9fLlw

>Do you not know how to adjust for inflation, brainlet?
>this nigger is so dumb he thinks 600 million in 2002 was a lot
Nigger chamber of secrets grossed 200 million over that

Stop right now. Attack of the clones was number 6 in its year, The last jedi #1 just like empire strikes back

What a stupid argument. Marvel is total dogshit but they still make over 1 billion on those movies.

>Not seen any proof.
he signed off on the jailbait jedi in the clone wars.
that's enough proof.

what proof do you have of spielberg?

>doctored video

Retard.

>$649,398,328 in 2002 = $921,355,164 in 2019

That doesnt matter. You arent telling us how it was better. Making more money doesnt mean anything. The last jedi was far worse than ep 2. It was honestly one of the worst movie ive ever seen. The only thing it had going for it were special effects, and even those werent that impressive since they didnt use them on anything remotely creative.

>sneed is also chuck

interesting

>prequel defenders are also sneedshitters
explains how based they are

What is your point, you insect? You missed the other user's point that you aren't adjusting for inflation and how much the dollar was worth between 2002 when AOTC came out vs 2019 now. Or the fact a big part of why movies make MORE money now is because the value of the dollar is a bit lower and Disney in particular is trying to shove its movies all over the world with varying degrees of success and failure. Lucas stuck with NA, Europe, and Japan. Disney wants the yellow dick market hard. And to their efforts they've killed Star Wars in Asia.

Why does Western cinema use so many cuts in action scenes?

Heather O'Rourke being anally raped to death on his set, his first pedo fag short movie that got hollywood execs to sign him for 9 blockbusters, symbolism of his and rumours from others in the industry.

Both better than OT shitty ass fights

>this shit again
Are you going to next post RLM faggotry?

that's not proof

This. China is like 1.5 billion people on its own.

Heather O'Rourke pretty much is. The others are strong evidence.

Man that final sequence of Anakin's duel with Dooku in the movie after Obi-Wan is knocked out really was fantastic and echoed how Luke vs Vader was in ROTJ. Lucas really did have strokes of genius when he found his muse.

Based

This fanbase is unbelievably retarded and entitled. Just look at the state of this thread.

Based and Lucaspilled.

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Shut up Disney cock-sucker.

I don't want to think this stuff about George but then again he tricked Carrie Fisher in ANH to deliberately not wear a bra in any of her scenes because he said in space women didn't need bras. He probably just wanted an excuse to see how hard her nipples got in her white outfit during the interrogation scene.

They're both pretty bad.

With Ewan and Hayden they're just spinning around, both their bodies and their swords. They're not actually trying to land a killing blow. But you can tell they actually learned their choreography, so it's quick and flashy, if nothing else.

With Daisy and Adam everything is just slow and clunky. You can tell they're really trying to hit their marks, and the stunt guys are moving really slowly and awkwardly so they don't just attack them like the Agents dog piling on Morpheus in the bathroom.

The mustafar fight is completely soulless

even the lego game did it better, and that game wasn't even trying

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>Shut up Disney cock-sucker.
>getting this angry over a childrens series
The state of (You)

notice how the lego figures are actually going for killing blows here?

>children series
(((You))) are exposed.

This is gunna sound dumb but I never watched the prequel trilogy. In fact I kind of think all of star wars is dumb, however the way this scene is done is really cool. The way they play Liam Neeson (who I assume is a big character and role model to Obi Wan) is pretty anti climactic in a good way, and Its pretty kino. And then they have the balls to almost have no dialogue at all and extend the already really long fight further.

Maybe George Lucas is based

Rian pls go.

>still bootyblasted hes precious OT is ruined
>bitch for years
>get exactly what you want
>cry for eternity
>meanwhile prequels get enhanced and remain unmolested

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He is, more based than most peabrains can understand

you are right , dont let the low iq guys get to to you, they think VI is good but some people saw that was a boring movie and the critics were all bought to give praise to that shit, this is the PC and MarySue generation...

Both look silly.

>no argument
>probably still ass-blasted over how TLJ bombed with the fans and had the biggest critical drop-off of any major blockbuster film much less a sequel film that set a negative record in the film industry
>then got extra anal pain when Solo completely and utterly flopped
>less than 9 months for IX to release, still no official name or trailer and Disney is panicking with Star Wars brand now losing 20% of its profit since 2015
You must be a super shill to think your mental gymnastics are working on anyone here.

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Fuck off redditor, you sound fucking gay

who gives a shit if its a "family" oriented series, everyone appreciates Star Wars from kids to adults till Disney got a hold of it

kids don't even like the Sequel Trilogy character toys which is why none of that shit is selling and neither do the collectors, the brand is dead and there's nothing good about it because there aren't even good books or comics or games to supplement it like the Prequels had

>precious OT

not that guy but I prefer the PT over the OT anyways

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But I like the Prequels more...

Spin Spin Sugar

youtube.com/watch?v=BqfIvPQ8Dgo

We can all agree the OT and PT have their strengths and flaws but that the ST is universally trash and the only half decent thing to come out of Disney is Rogue One and even that has a lot of issues.

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I accept your concession.

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>no secrets of the sith revealed to him
Shooting lighting is peak sith power, nigga. Apart from all the stuff he lied about, that's basically Sheeve's special move.

Muh whirling dervish dance
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t. no argument

>anakin is pissed at obi-wan for turning padme against him
>obi-wan is pissed at anakin for murdering jedi babies

"so let's have them spin and twirl like choreographed dancers instead of actually looking like they want to kill each other"

Rian pls. Go back to sperging out on tweeter then deleting over 2000 of your messages so your boss doesn't fire your ass like Cuck Wendig was.

It's going to be funny 10 years from now if Yea Forums still exists to see waves of people on here angrily defending the Disney Wars crap because they saw it as kids.

No matter if you liked or disliked the throne room scene, can we all agree it happened at the wrong point in the movie? That was the climax, Kylo and Rey kill Snoke, fight the guards, then each other, all while the stuff with Resistance is going down. Then we get another 30 minutes with another climax? Ok maybe this is supposed to be a cool non-standard story structure, but it made the movie drag. Why not move the Kylo/Rey/Snoke stuff to the end of the movie?

Seriously? Fuck disney

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You are missing the point. The actual reaction, reception, and backlash to what TLJ did to Star Wars fans; hardcore or casual alike is where no Star Wars film has ever ventured in terms of negative response. It is essentially for lack of better word, uniformly hated by most people. Its RT score is pretty indicative of that. I'm in my late 20s, I saw the Prequels when they came out in theaters after seeing the Originals remastered with the Special Edition versions a few years before that. My appreciation of them has not changed one iota while seeing TFA sickened me and TLJ left me almost physically repulsed.

>derision of the prequels
No where as pronounced as it is today by "media" outlets who are literally and frankly paid to shill articles for Disney to inflate the perception with viral marketing and advertising of the Sequels and artificially inflate their standing in the mainstream.

They're both shit.

No u.

I can agree that the OT is just as much better than the PT as the PT is better than the one movie from the ST which I have seen, which is TFA.
OT >>>>> PT >>>>> TFA

And even the OT is overrated. The more I think about it, the more flaws I notice in it (for example, many of Obi Wan's decisions simply make no sense). However, it is really good at creating and maintaining a fairy tale adventure atmosphere and a certain emotional heft, so most people either miss or easily forgive the flaws.
The PT has some nice worldbuilding but is amateurishly made, has mediocre acting, too much stuff meant to appeal to kids (as opposed to just actually appealing to kids, like ANH and ESB mostly do without trying), and has severe character and plot issues.
TFA just seems to me like a soulless cash grab.

Did they ever release some character models?

This TDKR level bad

people dont defend the prequels that much, only ROTS i fell, and the fact that has some kino moments and some moments so bad that it became funny shit, i hate sand is an example. Now if we see disney fangays i will honestly call brainwash on the retards.

How the fuck is that remotely pedo?

BASED REFERENCE

This would be kinda hilarious if not for that played out /pol/ jew shit.

brings'er down to a trollaroo© rating of 6/10

nice try bud, hope it goes better next time

I wouldn't even say the OT is better than the PT. As you said from a story/plot stand point, the OT is actually riddled with plot holes or inconsistencies with the example of Obi-Wan's behavior and words. But TFA? I think its trash, through and through. Both VII and VIII are rehashes of their OT counterparts: TFA has blatantly many aspects of ANH but also parts of TESB and ROTJ thrown into the mix. While TLJ is a reversed TESB with elements of ROTJ itself; Snoke's lines/monologue at Rey was almost verbatim a copy of how the Emperor talked to Luke in ROTJ. And then there's the whole issue of lack of actual creativity in alien designs, spaceships, new planets, no world-building, incoherent story telling (FO going from a splinter group made up of a tiny remnant of hold out Imperials/Empire to steamrolling the Republic despite losing Starkiller in a few weeks after TFA's events?). Makes no fucking sense.

The only real positive for TFA is that it ISN'T TLJ or Solo.

How you feel about Disney Wars defenders is how I feel about the prequel lovers and the Disney Wars defenders. Every large SW thread on Yea Forums gets at least a few angry prequel defenders. The prequels have a few nice moments, but there is no way I am going to start believing that they are good cinema. At first when I started to see the prequel defenders I thought they were all trolls - it took me a while to realize that many of them are actually being serious.

Not saying it was pedo but Lucas did have his creeper moments. It was actually pretty bold since Carrie was basically Hollywood royalty being the daughter of Debbie Reynolds and all.

There has always been a huge number of people defending the PT on Yea Forums for fucking years even before Yea Forums existed. If anything the number has probably only grown larger because how much people hate Disney Wars.

Thank you Disney.

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While i agree both are bad movies, just look at how more natural the Episode 3 duel seems, and better edited as well even if its 5 hours long. If you look at the TLJ webm it's almost as if you can hear the "ACTION!" from the director before they fight. Not to mention you can actually see how rehearsed that entire thing is.

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3 isn't bad tho my nigga

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I care about Star Wars and how bad it gets, but not Shitney canon.

ehh, the prequels in general are pretty bad compared to the OT. The dialogue is pretty bad, the romance feels forced and there's no chemistry, Anakin's acting is bad. Tbh the only genuinely good thing in the prequels is Obi-Wan and the music score. But they are still more enjoyable than the Disney Star Wars

anyone know what sort of beer that is?

>I wouldn't even say the OT is better than the PT

retard

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imagine being one of the stunt fags accepting money to ruin a franchise.
more proof that the majority of humans are scum. billions of people are nothing more than shitbag slaves and consumers being tooled around by super predators.

It's weird how disney is clearly milking star wars for money but we've gotten jack shit in video games in 6 years. They could rake in crazy amounts of money.
>an rpg/adventure game in the vein of KOTOR
>a ship combat simulator in the vein of rogue squadron
>a lightsaber combat game in the vein of jedi outcast or force unleashed
>multi-type games like clone wars
>gritty shooters like bounty hunter and republic commando
>war combat like battlefront
What the fuck are they doing? That's 6 years worth of games if they only put out 1 per year.

You would've had to have an argument for this to happen.

>stupid cgi with totally stupid moves, twists, swirling around, showing your back to the enemy because it makes you look cool
stupid as fuck

>actual combat stances
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THIS SUCKS

Because EA has total rights to it and they won't release ANYTHING that can't be monetized after release for years on end.
EVERY game has to make fifa money or it's not worth it to them.
They could totally create the next KOTOR but if it can't be monetized after release they have no interest.

>tfw John Williams saved and elevated the prequels but almost nobody praises him youtu.be/9nk_WHHTQtY

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Stay cringe.
OT is overrated as fuck.
>combat stances
>Kylo and Rey vs guards
Nice b8

I'm glad I'm not 12 anymore

nobody said anything about it being overrated or not. Just objectively comparing the prequels and OT, OT is better overall

>actual combat stances
Get your head out of your fucking ass, you mongoloid. Its blatantly telegraphed the random mook Snoke guard throws his blade at Kylo's sword after he already stabs the ground and so does his partner despite both having clear shots at Kylo's neck. Or the magic disappearing knife from the other guard fighting Rey because Rian can't into editing at all.

That fight was trash.

>actual combat stances

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>defending the throne room fight
i can not tell if this is blatantly bait or not

>I'm glad I'm not 12 anymore
>enjoys the prequels

top kek m8

>defending Nu Wars
Being a onions fueled brainlet is worse than being a 12 year old.

You sound mentally deficient.

>I'm not 12
>top kek m8

You are mentally deficient. Go back to eating cape-shit shoved in your face from your rodent overlord, pleb.

Double Diamond.This was filmed in London, so they had British beers.

Fuck you incel

Nice joke.

Well, we're in a agreement about TFA. It is utter shit, feels soulless and like a rip-off, and doesn't even try to set up the galactic politics in a believable way.
If I had to say why I think OT > PT, I'd argue at least the following:
1) While both trilogies have a lot of plot holes, I think that in the OT, Luke (the main character) makes more or less believable decisions, whereas in the PT, I don't buy Anakin (the main character)'s fall to the dark side.
2) Mark Hamill gets a lot of shit for his acting in the OT, but I think that it is better than Hayden Christensen's. Not that Hamill is necessarily a better actor - by many accounts, the prequels were a shit-show to work on. Both the OT and PT have some weak acting and some good acting, but I think that the OT has better acting in the emotionally crucial parts.
3) I think the OT looks more real, whereas the PT looks too shiny and plastic-y.
4) The OT has ewoks, but the PT has more of that kind of stuff - like Jar Jar and the "yippeee!".
I'm not a total prequel hater. I think the scene where Shmi dies and Anakin goes ape-shit is well-done. I like the attention to galactic politics. But I do think that the OT is better cinema. IMO, there is nothing in the prequels that matches, for cinematic quality over extended time, than the either the first 40 minutes of the last 20 minutes of ANH or the main Bespin confrontation from ESB.
But yeah, OT has loads of issues too...
1) Obi-Wan's decision-making is very weird.
2) Second Death Star!
3) Rebel plan to save Han makes no sense.
4) The Emperor's attempts to turn Luke make no sense. If Luke kills Vader, he'll just magically... join the Emperor? I don't know what the Emperor is going for there.
5) The ESB and RotJ lightsaber fights are great, but there are moments in there where the characters miss obvious holes in the other's defense.
etc.

fuck you

Didn't Kylo stop a laser mid shot?

I get that you're trying to eek out something for yourself by making stupid, contrarian, exaggerated claims to try and stand out, but you just don't have a clue as to what the fuck you're talking about.

yeah, Bastila and Malak

You are this mad.

>OT is overrated as fuck

Look at this edgelord defending the prequels and calling Star Wars overrated.

I'd say the prequels are overrated but I cant because they're properly rated as being objectively bad. In fact, Disney now owns the Star Wars franchise solely because the prequels were shit tier.

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Keep spinning those wheels in the mud, brainlet. No one is buying what you are selling with that false narrative since you are talking out of your ass and desperate to save face for being called out, you shitter.

Aww look at that butthurt.

No u

Alright, this thread settles it.
Prequelfags are either trolling or retarded.

Oh god, you are one of those faggots who think the Original Trilogy is some kind of flawless masterpiece that isn't riddled with similar problems of story direction, continuity, and plot holes that the Prequels were. Now don't go cut yourself with that edge you extra-chromosome packing retard.

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Never saw those.

To be fair, it's possible to think that the OT is overrated but that it is also better than the PT.

The prequels have 1 decent movie. Not good, just decent. The other 2 are pretty bad.

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>this dong actually thinks the OT deserves to be on some super special pedestal
Pathetic. You are the same kind of homo who probably thinks TESB is the best OT movie too I bet.

>Disney cuck this mad
lmao

desu, group fights are almost always shit.
1on1 is where the real great movies are at, sometimes 2on1 are kino too, if its showed properly that the one in numerical disadvantage is more skilled and powerful.

prequels had 1 decent, 1 bad, and 1 great film and I'd rather watch a hundred episode 2's then any Nu Wars movie desu

imagine being THIS triggered by females in your star wars movies

oh, you're a bot. nothing else stitches together retard-meme-speak with so little to say as this.

g'night bot.

That might be the case normally but outside of the fight between Rey and Kylo in TFA, ALL of the duels in Disney Star Wars have been bad otherwise, even without involving Jedi or Sith. Look at the dumb shit they had in Rogue One with Donnie Yen's chink not-Jedi monk dude vs the Stormtroopers.

And even ignoring the guards vs Kylo and Rey, the abortion that was Lujke "vs" Kylo at the end of The Last Jedi with stupid slow mo shit was really cancerous.

>how did we go from sterile to spoiled?

>story direction, continuity, and plot hole

Those things were the LEAST of the prequels problems, clown! If only those were the only things wrong with it then we wouldn't be having this conversation and we'd all be in agreement.

The prequels were bad on every level that a film can be bad. Even the cgi was bad! Even with ILM's A team they still managed to greenlight effects that looked like they were from the previous decade. It was really a deplorable effort on countless fronts.

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I forgot the FORCE IS FEMALE.
>no actual refutations to what was said
Imagine being this flustered over being wrong and not having anything else to come back with you angry pissant.

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So, when did the Force go from being a mystic field that even trained people could not necessarily tap into at will to being RPG mage magic? I suspect it was the EU.

This. TLJ continues its legacy of shit by emboldening retarded Prequelfags.

You haven't said anything.
You're just rambling and ranting like a madman.

>Prequels were bad on every level
Wrong.
>even CGI was bad
Not for the time they came out in, they weren't. Imagine being so stupid you think people are going to look at the CGI from the last few years in 10-15 years from now and say the exact same shit.
>greenlight effects from the previous decade
Thanks for telling us all you are full of shit now with flagrant hyperbolic nonsense. If you talked about issues like Hayden's acting in Episode 2, or the nonsensically padded out and extended sub-plot of his romance scenes with Portman, you'd have a point with some things. But no, you had to pull crap out of thin air to make up lies to try and demonize the PT more because you can't cope with the fact the OT has plenty of issues like Han's character arc or the twists and turns that barely work together out of dumb luck.

>just rambling and ranting like a madman
Why are you projecting your own posts of that crap at me?

You. are. insane.

>You.are.insane.
Cringe.

this

not that guy but you are probably the poster who defended "combat stances" for the shit fest fight scene for TLJ and are trying to backpedal for being called out by several different anons so just stop you fag

and for the record i can see why some people put the OT and PT on equal footing, the intro of ep 3's space battle was petty iconic, up there with how the start of episode 4 was in fact, add in the music and soundtrack and other things and they stack well

yeah dude tons of stuff on screen, explosions lasers pew pew

epic amirite?

>Not for the time they came out in, they weren't.

Yes, they were. Even for the time they came out.

You probably dont realize this but in the 80s and the 90s it was a given that ILM's big effort for that year was going to win the oscar for best visual effects.

Every OT film won the oscar for best visual effects.

Star Wars - win
Empire - win
Jedi - win

But the last Star Wars movie to win best visual effects was Return of the Jedi.

During the prequel years it was films like The Matrix and The Lord of the Rings winning that award over Star Wars - Revenge of the Sith wasnt even nominated!!! - and that's exactly how far the franchise had fallen in terms of visual effects.

It's actually embarrassing to me as a Star Wars fan.

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you post like you are from reddit, i want to let you know i don't like you senpai

>Yes they were. Even for the time they came out.
No, they weren't. Stop talking out of your ass.
>oscars
Why would I give two fucks about back-patting narcissistic echo-chamber celebration awards meaning anything? The Oscars are a fucking joke.

>visual effects was Return of the Jedi
Protip: because the quality of CGI, special effects, animatonics, and other things had dramatically gone up since the early 80s. The Prequels were competing with Lord of the Rings, Matrix trilogy, and and Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy, the bar and standard was massively higher at that point then in the late 70s and early 80s.

So you are legitimately fucking stupid if you think winning Oscars means anything at all. The Academy has been worthless for decades and its "accolades" are as shallow as the people who run it. Legitimately no one ever called out the CGI in Episode I or Episode II or Episode III when it came out as 'dated", you are 100% lying here.

>The Matrix
>The Lord of the Rings
Because you muppet, ILM no longer had a monopoly on special effects in Hollywood as it did years before the rise of CGI. And the further dichotomy to split your point here is that the same guy who directed and supervised The LOTR trilogy got a fuck ton of flak and shit for the Hobbit trilogy's CGI being called out as shitty despite being made years later and being far more recent.

As for the Matrix, the only reason people went nuts over its visual effects was because of the "newness" of the black and green and grey filters used on fucking everything and the bullet time effect being a novel thing. Are you honestly one of those people who thinks being rewarded by the Academy Awards means anything actually tangible?

I don't like you either

>trying to illustrate a point and bringing up oscars
The Chronicles of Narnia first movie came out in 2005 and it won over Revenge of the Sith, King Kong, and War of Worlds despite having shittier costume and CGI effects by miles. The Oscars mean literally NOTHING.

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Just a little less subtle

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I think he slashes across her abdomen, doesn't explain why it disappears though

You still dont get it.

One part of Star Wars that I think most people do not appreciate - and surely not prequels fans or JJ Abrams - is that George Lucas in the late 70s and 80s was not going to make a Star Wars movie unless it had visual effects that nobody had ever seen before. That aspect of Star Wars has been lost. Lucas himself lost sight of that.

I cringe to say it, but James Cameron is the only director right now that attempts to copy that model i.e. he doesnt want to make a movie unless he's certain its going to be a spectacle that will essentially guarantee him a best visual effects oscar.

Imo, with Episodes 1 and 2 George focused mostly on pioneering digital filmmaking and less on the actual cgi experience. The pod race was a spectacle, to be sure, but it was just another version of the speeder chase in Jedi and there are no other effects in the prequel series that stands out on a historical level.

Based as fuck

>Because you muppet, ILM no longer had a monopoly on special effects in Hollywood as it did years before the rise of CGI.

Thsts when you innovate, moron. You dont have to accept that you no longer have a monopoly.

There are so many moments in this fight where if these guys had been operating with more than a brainstem, Rey would have been dead as fuck.

I always like the sword dance "fighting".

You aren't the one "getting it" and I'll say this before I pass out and hit the bed. No one gives a rat ass about your appeal to popularity when you brought up ROS not getting "voted" into the visual effects category at the 2005 Oscars. Everything else you are saying now is a non-sequitur and not related. You are just waxing rhetoric now on your opinion of what makes Star Wars to you and that is irrelevant to me.

And back to the main point: the Oscars don't fucking matter. They never have, and they still don't now. Stop talking about it.

>there are no other effects in the prequel series that stands out on a historical level
Revenge of the Sith opening scene with the space battle. And now fuck off.

Lucas did innovate you dong. That's why 99% of all action movies, especially the garbage cape-flicks are mostly digital and CGI done mainly one blue-screens. Lucas pioneered animatronics in a way others never did, Lucas pioneered stop motion action in a way his peers never did, and Lucas pioneered digital and CGI effects in live action films no one else had done before.

You don't get the simple fact kicking you in the teeth that other production studios and film companies were able to use CGI in similar effects as ILM was. The standards were higher. Its that simple.

I think 90 percent of people's enjoyment of the PT at this point is the nostalgia.

...

not true, enjoyed them as a kid when they came out and still enjoy them today as an adult; fact the Sequels are so bad they look positively Shakespearean in comparison now is a nice bonus because it pisses off OT purists

Based newfag

Not for me it doesn't.

I wish these guys would just accept that if they want to have female main characters, they have to be willing to let them lose, get beat up, and face hardship occasionally. That's what gives the story drama, and makes it interesting. As it stands, they're playing exclusively to the purple hairs in the crowd who desperately need a Mary Sue self-insert.

>, enjoyed them as a kid when they came out and still enjoy them today as an adult; fact the Sequels are so bad they look positively Shakespearean in comparison now is a nice bonus because it pisses off OT purists

so in other wards, nostalgia.

you realize you just proved his point? Dummy.
You grew up with the prequels.

Anakin is a shitty protagonist.

Define laser. Because if that was a laser Kylo would literally be unstoppable. He'd be able to just bend light around him, becoming a stealth sith that no one could see.

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no you sperg, nostalgia would be saying i only like them because i enjoyed them as a kid, that's not what i said at all

That chink was in MI Fallout in the bathroom scene. so he's capable of making kino and shit in the span of a year. Guess tom Cruise really does elevate his costars.

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Rian did waste a huge amount of budget on the titcow monster and flying it to Ireland with a chopper.

That's what you said, autist.

Just because you loved playing with general grievous and jango fett action figures doesn't make them good movies

Prequels and CW demonstrate the art when mastered.

On Dagobah. They didn't show it, but he was there for months and there are at least photos of deleted scenes with him, Yoda and the lightsaber.

>The Mustafar fight could have been excellent if they cut out ten minutes

So, it would last minus 1 minute?

Also the tech and choreography evolved. These movies went up against Matrix, if they went with the sloppy unrehearsed shit it'd be hilarious.
Also, people complain about spinning, but if Bob anderson did the choreography for these things, judging by his output in Princess Bride, Mask of Zorro, Pirates of the Caribbean and Fellowship of the Ring, they'd be spinning just as much. At least the Jedi have the excuse of being Space wizards for all the somersaults. Zorro is just a Mexican.

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>pink lightsaber
I cannot wait for 4k80 to come out

Yeah, I remember when Sheev said that in the movies.

>Was Rey supposed to get stabbed through the chest at this point?

No, cause that would kill her and that was never gonna happen.