Giant Monster Kino thread

>what she sees

I really haven't seen too many kaiju flicks, but I always though Biollante was cool as fuck

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FUCK BUGS

That movie sucked.

This is such a bizarre fetish.

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>Dogora the Space Monster

Totally underappreciated. Best Honda movie, for sure.

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they rolled a guy down a hill iin a godzilla suit?
lmao

Gravel pits are automatic kino

Looks like a miniature which is rolling down the hill.

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MOSSURA-YA
MOSSURA

Here's one from Quatermass 2 (1957)

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And another.

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Reminds me of the giant metal dick monster from Tetsuo: The Iron Man.

My man!

I wanna fuck that moth

cg just so completely defeats the purpose of a kaiju movie
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there it is

Why is clover so cute

Anyone else feel like the roars in shin sounded really out of place?

Shin was out of place. Movie for fags.

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I felt like it was both fitting and out-of-place. Fitting that the Godzilla that most closely resembles the original in theme and design would sound the same. But at the same time the sound design makes it sound dated and off coming from a modern CG Godzilla vs a more traditional version.

So once KotM makes a bajillion dollars, do you think Legendary will be able to buy more Toho kaiju?

One can only hope!

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tfw no new gamera movie

I thoroughly enjoyed the monster stuff in Skull Island and I did appreciate the whole Nam' aesthetic of it, the John C Reily character should have been the Main Character desu.

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Can a Legendary Mecha G work?

How the fuck can american trash even compete?

Have you guys read the Cloverfield manga?

That shit is fucking wacky

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This was a great scene. You had already forgot he could do that and when you finally see it, it was fucking great.

*blocks your path*

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I felt lukewarm at first but loved it more since then. Godzilla movies need to take place in many locations like this one.

Americans weren't as good as the Japanese but they made some good one in the 50s. This is still one of the lesser products but I'd say above average and has some neat scenes. More gruesome than other movies. Effects by Willis O'Brien who was finally allowed to shoot the spider pit scene.

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>Let's to do
>Together!
>Elbow rocket engage!
Those movies would have been infinitely better if one of the requirements for being a pilot meant the part of your brain required for speech had to be surgically disabled in order to free up extra neural capacity.

cloverfield was fucking goat
the hype online prior to release was so fun, i miss it bros

Link me to it, please.

I remember the marketing. And how much better the fan versions of the monster were to the official design. Modern American monsters are all boring.

>fan versions
post some dude

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I miss murder whale, we need a murder whale movie asap.

I miss wacky viral marketing. Between it and TDK, 2008 was viral marketing kino.

SO MUCH BETTER

Could Godzilla take on over sized cloverfield monster from the end of that netflix movie? I know Godzilla is the ultimate monster slayer but the size of that cloverfield monster at the end looked way too big.

Does Ultraman Nexus count?

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>yfw

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Depends does Warner Bros think there's going to be fan backlash against Godzilla so they tack on 10 extra seconds for the fight scene with mega-clover?

should have been Kumonga

Ultraman is capekino and kaijukino all in one.

when these things showed up.

hasnt Godzilla defeated monsters of that size and even destroyed a planet? not in movie of course, I think movie godzilla gets rekt but if you allow all forms of media then Godzilla takes it

Even if I wanted to watch it... there's just too many. It's like Power Rangers.

None of the sequels were made to be sequels. They literally just take any shitty sci-fi movie that no other studio will touch, reshoot five minutes of it, maybe add in a CGI monster, and slap on the Cloverfield name.

Depends on which version
Anime Godzilla is oversized too (nearly 1 mile IIRC) so probably

We're watching it right now

Evidently the next one will actually be a true sequel to the 2008 film

As a huge Godzilla fan, no. It really wasn't.

This on the other hand is a pretty stupid complaint considering what franchise we're talking about. I would even go as far as saying that a movie where Godzilla is on screen for the majority of the run time would get incredibly boring incredibly quickly.

Alright Yea Forums, who wins?

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Nexus is it's own universe. All you'd have to watch is Ultraman: THE NEXT since the show is a sequel to that and you're good.

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Godzilla easily, They are gonna lowball godzilla up the ass just to make it happen.

>back in my day!!
shut it, the future is now old man

Tokusatsu with an overabundance of CGI just looks lame.

I don't want them to fight, I love them both. That's the same reason why I don't ever want a Godzilla vs Gamera unless it ends with them teaming up to fight evil monsters

What is this from?

Who knows, at least they got Destoroyah for Godzilla vs Kong

Gamera 3.

Nexus is its own continuity and i draws from Lovecraft of all places

They can always say that we just really didn't see all the monsters on Earth at the end but if there's so many of them they should focus on them so they're not just names and nothing more.

Way better than 2014. Also Rampage was "fun" but never saw any threads were about it EVER despite it coming out during the summer of LITTY

I'm more interested in how they're going to grow kong up for this, even in skull island his parents skeletons didn't seem all that much bigger than him. Does the government put kong in a Jaeger?

thumbnail looked like a curvy thicc tentacle monster and then I opened it and op was a faggot

I find myself on the opposite end, honestly. I would rather see that the franchise tanks so that someone else can get the license instead, because Legendary's movies just aren't that good.

Yeah, I liked this movie way more than 2014.

I liked this movie a lot. Not a lot of action. But it's a interesting exploration of Godzilla themes.

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It will probably do well enough. It's the best thing to happen to monster movies since I can remember but American Godzilla may not have much time. Too bad because it's the only series right now not trying to subvert anything. Instead it's just a representation of the character in an updated setting kind of like it was in the comics that had action take place all over the world. Legendary series made the series bigger than just Tokyo bay.

sup

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It was bad. But Godzilla has had plenty of mediocre movies. It wasn't complete and utter abominable shit like 98.

It's a perfectly fine monster movie though newcomers might dislike that monsters aren't always on screen. The sequel will fix that but the entire series has a weird relationship with this proportion and some movies had many monsters who had little screentime. It's how they use it. Also some fans of Shin Godzilla started treating this as competition it's really embarassing.

>But Godzilla has had plenty of mediocre movies
Godzilla has had plenty of outright bad movies, but let's not pretend like that somehow validates them and makes them better than they are.

It got the ball rolling and that's all I wanted it to do. Cranston's five minutes were cool, I liked the Hawaii sequence and once I saw the fight on Youtube where I could actually see shit, the final fight was pretty good.

Eh, I originally wrote mediocre. Forgot to change the second mediocre to a bad. Yeah, G's had stinkers for sure. Some of them not even the good kind of stinker where it's dumb fun.

>it's really embarassing
for you, maybe, I don't even understand what that fucking means
that godzilla fans aren't being diplomatic enough to the legendary movies? The series is so varied that what an individual likes about them can be extremely different from one fan to another
I can't even really consider the recent animated movies to be "actual" godzilla movies, and never fucked around with anything animated or any of the comics
to me, the concept of a godzilla that isn't a man in a suit in some form or another is a thing that precludes it from even being godzilla, but other people will tell you the themes take priority or something
i.e., you're an arrogant elitist who thinks he understands what makes godzilla movies appealing in a universal sense, an anyone who disagrees with you is objectively wrong
which is unbelievably fucking stupid

>Die, you motherf-

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Both recent live action Godzilla movies still had the monster played by an actor. It's just it's different now. From abandoning actors to create cgi objects from nothing we came back to actual performance.

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they will both kick each others ass then some bigger bad will come and they will team up with each other to fight the big bad

Godzilla vs Kong: Dawn of Justice

That will be kino though

We were too busy jacking it to the villain. God damn was she fine.

it's very relative. You could make a movie with a marionette godzilla and claim that the guy pulling the strings above set was "giving the performance". This is kind of what I'm getting at. When I was a five year old kid getting into the showa movies for the first time, the appeal had nothing to do with godzilla as a "character" or the movies place in a historiological timeline; it was about guys dressed like monsters smashing miniature cities. I'm never going to get that from a godzilla movie again, so what exactly am I watching them for? just because they're godzilla movies. That was my point, that there's nothing someone's "supposed" to be getting out of a godzilla movie that makes it worthwhile, and that if they've missed that, they're not a "real" fan. fans of this, or really any franchise, need to fucking take it easy about what they expect other people to care about, or else they just become twitter-level Star Wars fans who say that if you don't like *any* aspect of something released under the brand name that you're basically a traitor.

My problem with 2014 is the same problem I have with many of the Heisei era movies in that it tries to go for a serious tone while telling the plot of a Showa era monster mash. If it wanted to be two hours of rubber suit wrestling that'd have been fine. It would have been great even. But why then make the entire movie so dark and desaturated? Why add in that nauseating blue filter? Why act as if this plot is anything other than an excuse for two monsters to beat the shit out of each other?

If it wanted to be serious movie about the nuclear threat like the original then that'd have been fine as well. Great even. But then why do you play off Godzilla as the hero? Why add in all these other monsters already in the first movie?

this is literally what it's going to be about the only question is who is the big bad

I relate to this. More than that though I feel like there's nothing to be impressed about with CGI. Like, if the next Godzilla movie has an uncut ten minute segment of Godzilla and King Ghidorah smashing each other into buildings, it doesn't matter how good it looks, because it's just not impressive. In the days of practical effects, a scene like that would be a once a done deal. If you fuck up, you couldn't use it, or you had to rebuild it all until you got it right. These days some nerd just adjusts it on his computer until it looks good instead.

I expect these discussion to take an interesting turn once KotM is released. Old American vs. Japanese discussion will be a thing of the past if it's good and everybody still remembers the anime trilogy. Good it's not a competition.

KoTM will be kaijukino

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They're not coming back. The closes we'll get is if they make Harryhausen's Force of the Trojans and when they finally release The Primevals.

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KoTM uses mocap actors, to the point that each Ghidorah head has it’s own unique actor

wonder what the atomic breath feels like. he looks like he's in a lot of pain

He cute

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Who's directing King of Monsters?

Michael Dougherty
He directed Krampus and Trick R Treat and IIRC wrote X2 and Superman Returns

I wish they stuck with the original whale design for the monster

kino overdose

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Some nerd who loves monster movies. From the things he said in interviews I'd say he's the guy who really gets Godzilla. Won't automatically make the movie great but he's spot on on nearly everything.

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Fuck off frogposter

Going to happen whether you want it or not, though it does seem that they will team up against another monster
If the leaks are true it’s either a revived Ghidorah or Destoroyah

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I'll just leave this here.

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I miss the Kaiju Girls and like 90% of it is lost media because the TKT site owner turned into a pussy that simultaneously declared ownership over all the drawings from fans AND then baleeted them forever because he was starting to warm up to SJWS

western giant monsters are underappreciated

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I'm also interested to see this. Seems like every Godzilla fan I talk to is excited about it, it will be nice to have a movie both Japanese and American fans alike can love

this thing was pretty sick

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The sound of this scene in the theater was hype as fuck.

I was originally pretty disappointed in Godzilla 2014, but it has really grown on me and has become a favorite of mine. The sound design is fucking spectacular. I'm pretty sick of extended universe bullshit but the Monsterverse seems like its shaping up to be kino all around. I even liked Kong Skull Island, the scenography is great and the fighting was awesome.

Monster movies are also the only genre of movie all of my friends like and something we can collectively get behind to see in the theater and get hyped about

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Notice you're praising the technical aspects. Not the acting, pacing, or plot. It's hollow. Only pretty on the outside.

The pacing is pretty fucked but the acting is good and theres absolutely nothing wrong with the plot, how deep of a plot do you need for a monster movie? It's either a political movie disguised as a monster movie, a movie about humans disguised as a monster movie or just an all out brawl.

Oh I got a giant monster alright
*unzips dick*

Based Legion

We need this guy in a movie bros

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I got you, senpai

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There is plenty wrong with the plot. It completely unravels after Cranston dies and the movie blatantly has nothing for Ford to do. His relevancy is some of the most contrived nonsense in recent blockbuster memory and the actor lacks any presence whatsoever. And the military plan makes no sense. You can like the sound design and CGI, but it's not a very good movie.

BASED BAGAN

ahem

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As much as I fucking love Toku, stop-motion is the true gold.

>Learning about his backstory

That's some Evangelion tier shit. All those ayys fused into a single being.

the real god is right here
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see for a good godzilla film. 2014 was shit and made the mistake of focusing on the gay soldier, his shitty kid, and whore wife

hot

look what just came in the mail lads

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Except the writing team has said there will be a definitive winner.

>trusting writers
the winner is going to be the friendship they made along the way, user

I didn't know it came packaged like this. This is actually really cool.

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Yea it was. Favorite part of the final fight scene.

based pusy poster

as a godzilla fan, yes it was

>As a huge Godzilla fan, no. It really wasn't.
Lmao the head of Toei said it took him back to his childhood.

>opposable thumbs
>one win already under his belt
I like godzilla more, but lets be honest kong has speed, climbing and able to use tools

That's pretty cool user
Enjoy

bruh

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What dis

So when are we gonna get a rerelease of the 2014 BluRay done by someone who knows how the fuck the contrast slider works?

Because that's literally all it is. They made the image contrast too low, packaged it, and shipped it out. If you boost the contrast in a simple video player it makes the film look a ton better. Here's an example with +60% contrast

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Soul

And here's the base BluRay look for comparison

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Pacific Rim. Great monsters. Most comfy film.

autism

american kaijukino and mechakino in the same movie

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it's a colorful movie about teamwork

call me a pleb but the fact that one has far better special effects than the other makes much more of a difference to me than any story considerations
pacific rim's plot was retarded but it looked great so it was enjoyable

Pacific Rim. Great american kaiju film about people piloting giant mechas(called jaegers) against kaiju.

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NEVER GODDAMN EVER
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New trailer when

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In the 1970s, a famous South Korean director/actress pair were kidnapped into North Korea at the order of a young Kim Jong-Il. They were forced to make North Korean propaganda films, one of which was Pulgasari, a Godzilla knock-off based on Korean mythology.

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Soon I hope!

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Wish they had focused on the giant bug invasion more in this movie.
The relationship drama focus was an interesting take on the Kaiju genre though.

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>tfw gamera is fucking dead

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someone say giant monsters?

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Gamera will live on forever in our hearts, user.

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Shin is the best Godzilla movie ever made.

>the millenial series is not all one timeline
holy shit I'm retarded

Just download the remux.

it's tied for 2nd with Biollante

How will that fix an issue present in the BluRay itself?

What movie

They wanted to go full nostalgia niggers so instead of making new sound effects for the roar and lasers they just reused old ones
Terrible decision

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Godzilla has thumbs too you disgusting gorilla nigger

I believe it's Enemy
the giant spider(s) really don't matter to the plot and it's sort of a background metaphor thing, don't watch it if you're looking for kaiju

MOFURAAAA YAAA\

I'm so glad I saw this movie in the theater

Hands down one of the best theater experiences I have had as well.

Not Kaiju but this scene was pretty cool

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fuck that kid and fuck whoever hired cruise because they then couldn't spend the budget on the actual fucking aliens

For all its faults, War of the Worlds 05 had the "giant things tearing shit up and being terrifying" thing down pretty well.

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>Gamera 2 is probably my favorite giant monster movie.
I would say it, 3 and vs Biollante are the best Kajiu movies ever.

What's the general consensus on this?
I loved everything about it (forgiving the godawful CGI) for almost the whole thing but that ending was just... I dunno man. It was at once both legendary and felt like a complete betrayal of the rest of the film.

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Check out The H-Man if you haven't.
Its ok overall but there is a sequence on a ship that is unnerving and eerie as fuck.

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godzilla 2014?

Can we agree on these rating for the Gamera films?

Gamera The Invincible = Ok/Meh

Gamera Vs Baragon = Good

Gamera Vs Gyaos = Decent

Destroy All Planets = Poor

Gamers Vs Gurion = Bad

Gamera Vs Jiger/Monster X = Decent

Gamera Vs Zigra = Haven't seen but universally agreed to be poor to bad.

Gamera The Super Monster = Haven't seen but universally agreed to be horrible & by far the worst of the series.

Gamera The Guardian of the Universe = Great

Gamera 2 - Advent of Legion = Strongly Great (among the best kajiu movies ever)

Gamera 3 - Revenge of Irys = Strongly Great (among the best kajiu movies ever)

Gamera The Brave = Haven't seen but universally agreed to be decent & fun.

>Gamera Vs Jiger/Monster X = Decent
Going to have to stop you there. Movie was garbage.

All of them
Except the American chin one

>This is still one of the lesser products
I disagree.
I would put Creature from the Black Lagoon, Beast from 20,000 Fathoms, The Giant Behemoth, The Deadly Mantis & The Black Scorpion as the best American monster movies of the 50s.

Them is overrated (still good), Tarantula is ok.

Call me retarded but I legitimately thought there were only 4 Gamera films

>It wasn't complete and utter abominable shit like 98
Piss off.

Pros...
> Good cast (don't get the hate at all)
> Sub battle is fantastic.
> All the battles are good if you let go of Zilla running away.
> Score & opening credits is god tier.
> Opening attack on NYC is great and handled in a realistic disaster manner similar to how Gamera 3 handled it although less bleakly.
> CGI for the adult Godzilla holds up decently.
> Practical effects for the babies is fine besides the oversized heads.
> Military porn galore. Actually showed us military vs G battles unlike 2014.
> Zilla's design is good, just not for Godzilla.
> Fun mysterious 1st 4th before Zilla's landing in NYC.

Cons...
> Too much romance focus.
> Zilla too animalistic and natural.
> Zilla retreats too much.
> Baby Zilla sequence is Jurassic Parky (so fucking what)
> Baby Godzilla's CGI is poor.

At worst, it's split 50/50.
98 is underrated as fuck.

>Godzilla has had plenty of outright bad movies
Only 1, Revenge.
vs King Kong is poor, I will call it bad if you push me. Haven't seen the animes.

FUCK OFF!
There is nothing antithetical about monster vs monster fights to being dead serious toned. The 90s Gamera films did exactly that and are universally praised for it.

>The closes we'll get is if they make Harryhausen's Force of the Trojans
Please god.

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You can't equally hand out praise for being "serious." It's not that simple. There is a reason why Nolan's Batman is adored and Snyder's Batman is despised. The Gamera Trilogy tells interesting stories and has engaging characters. Heisei Godzilla is creatively bankrupt after vs King Ghidorah and has bland acting. 2014 is far too serious for how poorly it is written and has an awful lead.

It's insane how many designs they went through with him.
I prefer pic related from the original Mothra vs Bagan pitch, I would just make the arms much bigger and tone the hunch back down just a bit.

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Source?

Eh, the monster was kinda cool and they actually gave the kids something tangible to do.

>There is a reason why Nolan's Batman is adored and Snyder's Batman is despised
Snyder's Batman is universally liked outside of him killing. Superman being dour people were bitching about.

There was also a really interesting fake one that was like the Conqueror Worm from the Hellboy comics.

>outside of him killing
People made a huge fuss about that. That's a major part of his character. Affleck did fine, but the way the character is written has a fair share of detractors. Same with the Snyder aesthetic and approach to DC capeflicks in general.

Should have used the roars from '84.

youtube.com/watch?v=e7op_jodiA8

A really weird movie to throw in a Cannibal Holocaust reference.

You're a fucking idiot and have shitty taste.

>You can't equally hand out praise for being "serious." It's not that simple
Yes I can, trying to be serious and dignified will always be preferable to gleefully being silly garbage.
Read Thor - Dissasmbled and then watch Thor Ragnarok and tell me that garbage fire isn't a unbearable missed opportunity.

>2014 is far too serious for how poorly it is written
There is no fucking correlation here.
The immersive mood, sense of scale and power all out way minor trivial writing issues.

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>trying to be serious and dignified will always be preferable to gleefully being silly garbage
Light-heartedness done well is better than failing at grit and seriousness.

>The immersive mood, sense of scale and power all out way minor trivial writing issues.
The writing issues aren't trivial. Those issues are severe. It's a baffling stupid movie. Tell me the military's actions makes any sense whatsoever. But all of this is front and center. People were complaining about the wrong thing. Godzilla's screen time time is the least of the movie's problems. It tries to have an emotional core but doesn't earn it and it fully expects for you to care about the family reunion at the end. There's no humanity to the movie after the dad dies. Ford is a nothing character and no one else matters. Technical expertise was wasted. And it's mood is hardly anything special outside of select scenes and those were usually in the first half.

Are you the fag that always complains about Ragnarok not being grimdark and serious? Fucking get over it. It was a dark story that subverted expectations of what Marvel's Ragnarok had to be. Whining over the movie having humor just makes you look like a "no fun" sad sack with a stick up his ass m8

How do six or ten or twelve or any number at all of helicopters carry a giant fucking mech like that? Especially in storm conditions? Why didn't he just use the plasma cannon? All the fights in this film start off as really close calls and then the mech pulls out a cheat code and OHKO's whatever it's fighting. Still the best thing that fat pedophile weeb's ever shat out.

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Sorry I'm late, but did you know there are
>only 82 days until Godzilla: King of the Monsters?

I agree with this man. It was good but had many flaws. The lighting is one, killing off the best human character and actor so early on is another. They could have at least given Watanabe and Hawkins more time if they were going to kill off Cranston so early. Very strong first and last act, the middle is rather admittedly dull.

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Lets not get ahead of ourselves. It's in the top 10, but nowhere near number one.

>Very strong first and last act
The last act isn't worth the wait

What would you put ahead of Shin Godzilla? As in actual good movies not "Godzilla movies."

I'm fine with humor, I like both Guardians films (1 had a lot better humor then 2 tho), the problem is the specific SNL skit, spoof like awkward humor in Ragnarok.

And the fact that outside of Odin's death there is zero emotional work like there is a ton of in the Guardians films. I spent all of Ragnarok's duration thinking Gunn could have done this 100 times better.

Pic related page, that single page is more emotionally powerful then all of Ragnarok's runtime.

There is zero reason for Ragnarok to not have the same tone as Infinity War which had humor.

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This

I'm not quite sure what you mean, but I'll try and list them.
The original, obviously. The original Godzilla vs Mothra as well. Both the original and the 1992 Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla, as well as Terror of Mechagodzilla. Ghidrah the Three Headed Monster. Godzilla vs Destoroyah, Godzilla vs Biollante and The Return of Godzilla from 1984. GMK is an obvious choice as well, and maybe the two Kiryu movies. If we can include non Godzilla but Toho movies I'd put in the original Rodan as well.

Come on, user. I'll give you Mothra vs Godzilla and 1954. Maybe Rodan. But Shin Godzilla is better written, acted, and directed than everything else you listed. Not even in the same league.

Well I disagree. I think Jun Fukuda and Ishiro Honda are better directors than Hideaki Anno. Plus alot of what gives Shin good credit is the fact it's a remake of the original. At least all the other ones I wrote besides the Return were they were original and stood on their own. The Heisei series is seriously underrated. And I made the list based not on what I preferred but what I considered to be well made. I think Shin was good, but alot of people are just sycophants of Anno and everything it did Gojira did better back in 1954 besides maybe special effects, and even then, Gojira looked good for the time back in 1954, the same can't be said for Shin in many many scenes

Because he surely wouldn't have any other reason for saying that the movie was good? Because he doesn't benefit from a continued license and Legendary buying the rights to even more monsters from him?

Besides visual similarities and some reused music, Shin Godzilla is its own film. It doesn't have the love triangle or weapon escalation metaphor. Not even the same theme. The characters are from two completely different walks of life. 1954 is about making sense of the post-war world and Shin Godzilla is about Japan growing up. 1954's effects were not that impressive even in its own time. Tsuburaya was figuring a lot of things out and it shows. Shin Godzilla looks perfectly fine. Not spectacular. But fine. Especially for having 1/15 of the average blockbuster budget and with most of its effects set in daylight.

>The Heisei series is seriously underrated.
Elaborate

how would that boat not snap like a twig just from being held like that

It would but suspension of disbelief and all that.
>and Shin Godzilla is about Japan growing up
Haven't seen Shin, what did you mean by this?

This is true, I won't really knock it for the SFX. Even films with budgets 10x what Shin had have shitty looking CGI. I really dunno, maybe I should rewatch it for the 10th time, I just never really got why so many people lost their minds over it. Maybe I can't see past it just being a modern remake. It's just weird how it's the first Godzilla of it's kind in the movie, ya know?
I think the score is great when it's not reusing audio from 1954. The cinematography is among the best of the series, though I still can think of more memorably visual shots in 1954, vs Mechagodzilla II and vs Destoroyah. As for elaborate, alot of people are just buttblasted about "beamspam" which I can empathize with, but there were alot of harsh restrictions on what the Hesei series could do, and for numerous reasons. People treat alot of the Showa era movies as masterpieces (as do I) but some say only vs Biollante is the good one. We're getting into subjective territory here, but for me vs Mechagodzilla II and vs Destoroyah are some of the more emotive movies for me. Outside of obvious moments from some of the less serious Showa era movies, Heisei series felt like it had some of the stronger moments where the Kaiju more like characters than other movies.

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And not just the emoitve moments the Kaiju displayed, but the cinematography as well. There were alot of excellent shots. I will say this, however. Shin was probably the best edited of all the movies. Cinematography is good and all, but there are alot of clunky cuts in the Heisei series, and to a lesser extent the Showa.

Son of Godzilla is kino. Perfect villains, perfect science researchers, perfect ending. And manilla is CUTE!

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I mean, the movie is straight up bad regardless of whether he kills or not.

Minilla is and always has been an abomination, and the Son of Godzilla suit is retarded-looking

>he Heisei series is seriously underrated.
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1. because it looks cool
2. see above

I have a hard time remembering impressive cinematography from the last few Heisei movies. There are a handful of neat moments: Destoroyah's final form in the flames, Godzilla Jr's last appearance, and Godzilla rising from the volanco. But overall they're visually bland. I don't care for the writing, acting, or directing. And I wish Ifukube either made new music or someone else was hired to give those films their own sound. Though they do emphasize Godzilla more than any other movies, Godzilla has a pretty consistent design, the monsters are treated seriously, and the movies have some semblance of continuity so I can understand their appeal. But for me that isn't enough to say they're good movies.

>I just never really got why so many people lost their minds over it.
Because it's the first Godzilla movie since the 1954 that makes Godzilla scary.

Ending of Son of Godzilla > Ending of Godzilla vs Destoroyah

negative nigger

To each their own, I suppose. If I had to name some off the top of my head, I'd definitely include Destoroyah's final form as the best moment. Another would be Godzilla trying to revive Jr, Mecha Ghidorah's first appearance. Godzilla rising from the ocean in 1991, the scenes with the JGSDF moving in on the Futurian Ship in the beginning and then on Godzilla in Sapporo in vs King Ghidorah, the intro of Mechagodzilla II with Mecha Ghidorahs head, and the slow establishing shots of Mechagodzilla II under construction. Godzilla arriving at the location of Jr in the same movie. There's one particularly amazing shot where Godzilla topples Mechagodzilla and the searchlights illuminate his face in a cloud of dust. Vs Biollante has too many for me list, but the easiest to mention would be the menacing Rose form in the distance.

All these monster movies are monsters and robots beating each other like in WCW or useless artillery fire. It's kinda repetitive.

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I split the Heisei movies into two categories. 1984 to King Ghidorah and Vs Mothra to Destoroyah. I like the first group a lot more than the second group. By the way, your focus on the monster side of things is proving my earlier point about people liking these movies for the greater Godzilla emphasis on as a character with a continuing story. But that came at the cost of the overall plots and human characters.

I think I get what you mean now, but I consider to not only be an integral character, but the most important. Look at 1998. A couple of the human characters were decent, but it was the characterization of Godzilla that ruined it. I can back this up by mentioning how many people loved the Cartoon series that had an almost identical Godzilla design wise, but a completely different characterization. And it's worth mentioning I found Heisei to have the strongest human characters as well. Even the weakest of the series by my consideration, vs Mothra has memorable and decently fleshed out human characters. You have the whole G-Force team who appears in several movies, you have Miki Saegusa that appears since vs Biollante, as well as Sho Kuroki. Even Godzilal 2000 had memorable human characters. One of my problems with Shin Godzilla was the human characters, (and the lack of character on Godzilla's part) we know what they're like at their job, but they're not particularly well fleshed out in who they are personally. The closest we get to that is when Rando makes a prayer near the site of destruction. Maybe it's commentary on Japanese work ethic but I found it very weird. The human characters aren't very human for the most part and the titular character isn't a character at all, unless you count the lyrics.

>to King Ghidorah
The plot of that movie was dumb as hell though. I was confused as hell the first time I saw it because nothing the characters said made sense, and then it turned out that I was right and they were all retarded.

Shin Godzilla is a dense film and already almost two hours long. It didn't have time to dig into the personal lives of its characters. It had to cover Godzilla, domestic issues, and international issues. While a lot of what it does often goes unnoticed, it's one of the few Godzilla films to explore its themes in a satisfying manner. I think Anno's direction and the chemistry and interactions of the cast is enough to compensate for not getting personal with the human characters.
> Heisei characters
Hard disagree. Miki is shoehorned in most of the time. Her character barely changes over six movies. She professes love for Godzilla yet continues to act against him upon request time after time. Nothing is done with the potential drama there. A wasted concept and actress.

I cannot stand the cast or story of vs Destoroyah. The movie completely lacks energy, the characters hardly seem to care that the world might end and are disconnected from the rest of the film besides luring Jr to Destoroyah, none of the character relationships amount to anything, and all of the Oxygen Destroyer discussion goes nowhere. Compare it to the urgency and thematic exploration of 1954, 1984, and Shin.

To borrow a critique from Honda, the actors aren't engaged in the material and the acting quality is much weaker than what is found in the earlier movies.

>The plot of that movie was dumb as hell though. I was confused as hell the first time I saw it because nothing the characters said made sense, and then it turned out that I was right and they were all retarded.
You're correct. Godzilla vs King Ghidorah has terrible writing. But Omori is a more ambitious and creative director than the two guys who followed him.

>Godzilla vs King Ghidorah has terrible writing
Well, I mean, I do like that the movie doesn't feel the need to explain everything to the viewer and instead lets us piece it together ourselves. But it's frustrating when the characters are obviously wrong from the very beginning and I'm sitting there wondering what the fuck they're talking about.

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I will say this. I have sadly only seen the english dub of the Heisei series, so I am unable to comment on the acting. Even if I had seen the original audio versions, I would find it difficult to gauge what is good acting and what isn't. In alot of Kurosawa movies westerners criticize the acting as too over the top while I find it perfect, for example.

No, the movie is quite frankly broken in just about every way possible. It contradicts its own time travel rules multiple times, the plot depends on characters constantly making illogical decisions, the movie itself seems unsure whether or not Godzilla was actually erased, and its message is petty and incoherent at best. The failure to mention the original Godzilla suggests that the Heisei Godzilla being a different character is a retcon and the stable time loop theory does not hold water based on what's presented in the movie.

Robot Jox > Pacific Rimjob

Absolute kino
Legendary shills need no apply.

Godzilla 2014 should have focused on Watanabe and Cranston as the two human characters.

>the movie itself seems unsure whether or not Godzilla was actually erased
The characters say that he has, but really now. If he had been erased then the people in the present wouldn't be able to remember him in the first place. The military saying something about how they can't track him anymore which somehow proved that he didn't exist anymore also struck me as very odd, because it'd already been shown that they couldn't track him at all when he was under water.

>the stable time loop theory does not hold water based on what's presented in the movie
What part contradicts it?

>Shin Godzilla
>Not part of the Godzilla anime series

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Because it's easily verifiable if the operation worked or not. Why does the entire world remember Godzilla and nothing was altered if Godzilla NEVER existed? Not that he disappeared. But was never there to begin with. The characters admit to believing the operation was a success and are surprised to learn he still exists. Reconcile that with 1984 and vs Biollante still being in the timeline. And yes, the military forgetting that tracking Godzilla in the ocean is unreliable is another example of weak scripting.

The time loop, as it's usually explained, says that the Heisei Godzilla was always a product of Futurian doing and that nothing changed. But Godzilla would have existed independent of their time manipulation and the future does in fact change because of their actions. Godzilla, for all intents and purposes, was defeated by the ANEB. That was undone by the events of vs King Ghidorah.

say what you want but this scene is TOP TIER
youtu.be/ihd_uzrX2Bw

>Why does the entire world remember Godzilla and nothing was altered if Godzilla NEVER existed?
We aren't disagreeing on this point.

>Godzilla, for all intents and purposes, was defeated by the ANEB. That was undone by the events of vs King Ghidorah.
???
What does that have to do with whether there's a stable loop or not?

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I have pretty much the same experience. It's a movie that needed a bit more (the Honolulu fight didn't have to be cut short) but it does some things so well. The bridge scene, Monarch, locations, the HALO scene. I wonder if the sequel will make this one seem better.

>What does that have to do with whether there's a stable loop or not?
Because Godzilla would have existed either way and the future changes. A staple loop requires things being as they always were. See the first Terminator movie.

A stable time loop means that whatever a time traveler does to attempt to change the future only causes it to become the way it always was. It does not mean that his actions can't affect the past, just that him affecting the past in that way was always the case.

As a mid-tier above average movie? Sounds harsh but it's only because of competiton they have.

>I wonder if the sequel will make this one seem better.
A movie being worse does not make another movie better.

kaiju.wikidot.com/giant-monster-movie-list
obligatory reading

YEAH! YOU PUSH IT! YEAH! YOU PUSH IT!

Kino

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Again with this retarded fake competition. Why the insecurity?

>means that whatever a time traveler does to attempt to change the future only causes it to become the way it always was.
Godzilla was no longer a problem in the time the Futurians are from. He failed to destroy Japan and did not reappear after the events of Biollante for centuries. That's why they needed a monster to do the job right. The second half of King Ghidorah and rest of the Heisei films are a completely different future. It's not a loop.

>Godzilla was no longer a problem in the time the Futurians are from
If there's one thing you should take away from that movie, it's that you can't trust what any character says. Least of all the futurians.

It is. It's hard to follow but it's official that no events were erased, Godzillasaurus always became Godzilla, what they did later in the movie is to make him even bigger. That's why they were so surprised to see him at the bottom of the ocean. Godzilla vs. Destroyah also explained why Godzilla in the future was protecting Japan.

Hey faggot, it's an incredibly boring movie. That this piece of shit formula is the norm just shows that Godzilla as a franchise is a poison on the genre now.

I'm pulling this from the scene when Emmy comes clean to Terasawa after she changes sides. Why would she tell him the truth about everything else and lie only about Godzilla? Also, Godzilla didn't move from the spot he settled in for three years after the end of Biollante. He was done for.

Don't listen to him. 2014 is not the standard Godzilla formula. That's a dishonest tactic people like to use to shutdown valid criticism.

Cloverfield vs Ultraman would be a god-tier crossover and would jibe perfectly with the cosmic origins of the Cloverfield monster, while also setting up a sort of "Alien vs Predator" rivalry between the two.

2014 and from the look of it also KotM remind me of the comics. International monster-control organization, action involving many continents (in the trailer we saw some quasi-MGS locations), even the portrayal of Godzilla. In this way it's unique among other Godzilla movies.

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>As a huge Godzilla fan
For once I'm fucking glad they don't cater to the fanbase. Neck yourself, weab.

But the movie is nothing but fan service. It's just like with the new Star Wars movies where there's nothing substantial there except references to older, better movies.

It's the epitome of
>You like Godzilla right? You remember those movies right? Well you'd better like this then!

Fuck Nu Mothra, she has no style, she has no white fur

sauz

It might be used a lot, but it definitely sounds more terrifying and reptile like than any roaring sound effect these days.
Why fix something perfect?

Is this an actual movie where a giant spider is the main monster?
I'd love to watch it. My earliest nightmares are made of giant webs weaved by them.

Is this the third movie? I've only seen the first movie so far and found it excruciatingly boring except for the last ten minutes or so, when I was cheering for Godzilla to just kill everyone already. Pity about the premise.

would chadzilla win vs pacific rim kaijus?

You have a stronger patience than me. I've tried to watch all three and ended up falling asleep after the first ten minutes or so during all of them.

>be me
>white boy
>go to watch this in movies
>theater filled with mexicans
>this scene comes up
>in english version they say president Trump instead of PM
>helicopter explodes
>i yell "FUCK TRUMP AND FUCK WHITE PEOPLE"
>mexicans start clapping
>one even lets a grito out
>i hear a girl say "que lindo"

nope its kong island

>mfw two months left

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>WHY ISN'T THIS REBOOT FOR A NEW GENERATION IN A DIFFERENT COUNTRY INCLUDING GOJIRAS'S KEIDO KAN BLAST WITH THE UCHIHA UMIWARA ENERGY ATTACK?

What are some fun or cool giant monster movies that focus on the monsters for a sizeable portion of the film (even in the disaster porn way of Cloverfield)? The closest comnig to mind for me right now is The Blob and I guess Pacific Rim.

Almost every Godzilla movie ever made had a ton of "human drama" in it.

When will the new trailer come?

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That's the opposite of what I said.

It just needed interesting human drama. Like everyone else has said. Bryan Cranston should've been the main character with him working with ken Watanabe.

Only the second anime movie is ok
The third is an ungodly abomination

Almost every Godzilla movie ever made had poorly written and acted human drama in it.

Just wait until the movie comes out. Don't spoil yourself!

It blew my mind a little when I learnt the song was in Indonesian.

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Who is your favorite Kaiju?

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Well, either the movie is a mindless monster mash, in which case the human characters needs to have an adventure of their own. Such as foiling an alien invasion, calling on Godzilla and awakening some other kaiju from its deep slumber to beat the shit out of King Ghidorah or Mechagodzilla or some shit. A bunch of soldiers who we don't really care about going around and doing soldier stuff isn't an interesting adventure.

Or it tries to be serious, in which case there has to be actual characters and interesting drama. More importantly, however, the movie then has to say something. Godzilla being the protector of Earth and beating the shit out of two radioactive bugs doesn't say anything at all.

Fact: 1984 is the comfiest of all Godzilla films

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KIINGUUU
SHIIIIIIIIIIZAAAAAAAAA

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FUCK MOTHRA

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If only it could have been

youtube.com/watch?v=B07iM_tOi3c

I don't remember much about this movie, but it sort of disappointed me.

I pushed through for Godzilla to be honest. It was kind of worth it for the ending. Kind of. I also have about 0 expectations the other two movies will be better, but yeah. Godzilla.

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Why are you guys so obsessed with Cranston? He would have tearfully chewed the scenery for the remainder of the movie.