Would this have worked if Éowyn was a transsexual?

I'm not a LotR lore expert, but wasn't the sword she was using special in some way?

No, but the dagger Merry used was, so she just finished him of and took all the glory.

The Nazgul died of embarrassment, killed by a stupid hobbit and a dumb woman, sad

He literally spilled his spaghetti

Is this from the book? I had no idea Witch King was the good guy originally, fucking Hackson with his hack shit

He died because he was stabbed in the fucking face with a sword, you spastic incels. Anyone could do it but It was just foretold that it won't be a man who will kill him.

But they were drowned by Arwen with her magic tidal wave, and burnt by aragorn at the weathertop, and they survived all that. Why does being stabbed in the face suddenly kill him?

You know how zombies can't be killed till you don't blow they brains out? Same way here.

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>Be stabbed in the foot
>completely disabled
I wonder if Eowyn even needed to stab him.

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but these things ( and ) were never mentioned in the film. It literally portrays her as a stronk wamen. Hollywood gave her vagina powers.

If you take that one-liner literally you LITERALLY have autism

>someone told their time to make this

nigger can you read? I didn't claim she has vagina powers, I said the movie took out any reference of this dagger being the reason he died. Learn to read.

you autists take everything literally

the whole point is that there was a prophecy that said he won’t be killed by a man.Like most prophecies it had a twist that a woman will be able to do it

Would you rather be hit by a wave, burnt by a torch or stabbed in the face?

>the whole point is that there was a prophecy that said he won’t be killed by a man
True that and he got killed by a woMAN
#InternationalWomensDay

You're still interpreting prophecy in a highly deterministic way, as if prophecy cause the even that is FORETOLD and not the other way around. Which is highly autistic or simply retarded.

They also took out Eowyn's most amazing lines.
>You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him.

Good thing he didn't get hit by Pippin and his pipe or the sword would've turned on Éowyn.

>facebook meme kids in charge of cultural context

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I aint interpreting shit, I am claiming that (((hollywood))) took the opportunity to amke the scene look like the Nazgul are badass, but not as badass as some chick.

>I aint interpreting shit
Yes you are nigga.

Have you even read the fucking book?
Eowyn's heroism in facing the fucking Witch-King is the only thing that even enabled Merry to do fucking anything because he was completly blinded by his fear.

>The winged creature screamed at her, but the Ringwraith made no answer, and was silent, as if in sudden doubt. Very amazement for a moment conquered Merry’s fear. He opened his eyes and the blackness was lifted from them. There some paces from him sat the great beast, and all seemed dark about it, and above it loomed the Nazgûl Lord like a shadow of despair. A little to the left facing them stood she whom he had called Dernhelm. But the helm of her secrecy had fallen from her, and her bright hair, released from its bonds, gleamed with pale gold upon her shoulders. Her eyes grey as the sea were hard and fell, and yet tears were on her cheek. A sword was in her hand, and she raised her shield against the horror of her enemy’s eyes.
>The face of their enemy was not turned towards him, but still he hardly dared to move, dreading lest the deadly eyes should fall on him. Slowly, slowly he began to crawl aside; but the Black Captain, in doubt and malice intent upon the woman before him, heeded him no more than a worm in the mud.

When was the last time you watched the movie lol. The Witch King literally steam roll Eowyn, grab her by the throat and start delivering one-liners but is then fully incapacitated by getting stabbed by Merry. Eowyn only strike him once and that's when he's already paralyzed. If anything the film is more red-pilled than the book.

>is immune to harm dealt by men
>decide to fight a horse, a hobbit and a woman
Was this guy retarded or something? I mean sure his pterodactyl obviously countered the horse but that still left him at an disadvantage. As a magic user he should have this shit figured out.

I will tell you what I mean by my post. I wrote my post as a complaint that none of the subtlety of Merry being the reson the Witch King died is shown in the film. It is a complaint, I am not claiming Eorwyn's vagina is responsible.

see above

but the significance of his dagger isn't mentioned. He looks more like a distraction, then the (((producers))) had Eorwyn pull off her helmet and declare her femininity and the patriarchy was destroyed. They obviously were looking to pander to a female audience. LOTR is male dominated of course and they need to sell tickets. At no point is the dagger shown to be made by the Dunedain and have the ability to fuck up a Nazgul's shit. It is conveniently tucked away. They wanted the girls in the audience to feel cozy and buy merch user.

fuck off to captain marvel threads

>he has literally no response
Now you've learned to read and understand that you can't tell me what I mean by a post, I tell you what I fucking mean, you have nothing to fucking say.

>Out of the wreck rose the Black Rider, tall and threatening, towering above her. With a cry of hatred that stung the very ears like venom he let fall his mace. Her shield was shivered in many pieces, and her arm was broken; she stumbled to her knees. He bent over her like a cloud, and his eyes glittered; he raised his mace to kill.
>But suddenly he too stumbled forward with a cry of bitter pain, and his stroke went wide, driving into the ground. Merry’s sword had stabbed him from behind, shearing through the black mantle, and passing up beneath the hauberk had pierced the sinew behind his mighty knee.
>‘Éowyn! Éowyn!’ cried Merry. Then tottering, struggling up, with her last strength she drove her sword between crown and mantle, as the great shoulders bowed before her. The sword broke sparkling into many shards. The crown rolled away with a clang. Éowyn fell forward upon her fallen foe. But lo! the mantle and hauberk were empty.
Yes Merry was essential to killing the Witch King but claiming he was important to it than Eowyn is just fucking retardation.

Technically, it was the sword wound that killed him.

have sex

she put the sword in her vagina and stab him with it and he died because he was an incel

Honestly the only memes I use are ones I find here, So I don't know their histroy half the time.

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never said he was. You realise other anons are ragging me for saying the opposite? They took my post to mean that I genuinely believe Eowyn's wamen powers did the job, and others took it to mean that Eowyn had no impact. All I was stating is that the movie didn't convery any magical dagger shit (or not effectively) and likely did so to sell merch. I knew girls at the time that though Eowyn was a badass thansk to this, so it's no mystery why.

>and he compounds his display of impotent rage

Anyone could kill the Witch King provided they were skilled and fearless. The same exact thing happened with Sauron (even though in his case, if he hadn't given the ring so much of his power, maybe he wouldn't have died).

>but the significance of his dagger isn't mentioned
So you're actually mad that the dagger got shorthanded in favour of Merry?

no I am mad that they didn't build the mythos and instead went to the merch bucks by making Eowyn the only factor. I actually think Merry got fucked too, cos in the film that scene portrays his as a nusance and irritation with some shitty butter knife.

His role is the same as the book. He is scared but only decides to help Eowyn because "she should not die alone, unaided". The scene plays out almost the same, apart from the "I am no man" part.

>if

>apart from the "I am no man" part
then there you go user. And there is no refrence to his dagger being magic, so they don't share half of the prophesy apiece, she gets all the credit.

To the movie's defense, they couldn't really explain the dagger since they never mentioned Tom Bombadil (which is probably a good choice on their part in order to avoid serious pacing issues in Fellowship).

No
Based Theoden would have burned her at the stake long before.

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I agree, but then leave out the line or just drop in some other magic weapon to explain his sudden vulnerability. Have gandalf give Merry a dagger and say "yo Merry, this shits enchanted, cos you are fighting at a disadvantage, you being squat and all"

But they did that. Galadriel gives Merry and Pippin magical daggers in Fellowship.

I guess this is where I post
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and the entire audience seemingly though it was vagina powers save for you. OH WHAT A AN UNFORTUNATE COINCIDENCE.

the two towers and return of the king are full on cringe besides the last act of TTT and some frodo/sam gollum stuff (but even then it's offset by cringe frodo and sam stuff)

we shall see in the upcoming amazon series

Eowyn is the one that killed the Witch King.
The importance of the dagger from the barrow downs was that it was able to harm the witch king at all. There is literally nothing in the text claiming that the dagger removed some magical barrier like a fucking video game weakspot.

It would have worked if she was a man.

You dweebs need to shit post about something else.

If she was a man there wouldn't have been a prophecy that "no living man may hinder him"

faggot

I'm all for hating people shoving feminism down your throat like captain marvel. But in this case, you're just being fucking autistic

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Movie fucked up this scene so bad. There was no mysticism to swords/genders/races that allowed it. Witch King had somebody look into his future and the person said no man would kill him. So it wasn't that a man couldn't kill him, he just knew that's not how he would die

Trans women are women too you incel

>So it wasn't that a man couldn't kill him
In practice it does though

It's like a fortune teller saying you'll die in a car crash in ten years. If you get robbed at gunpoint before then, you'll know that's not how you die but that's not to say a guy with a gun couldn't kill you

>Witch King had somebody look into his future and the person said no man would kill him.

Maybe he shouldn't have went to the Wishmaster for fortunetelling services

then why this whole conversation to begin with, did Eowyn win because she wasn't a man then? Haldf the people in the thread are bashing me for believing that, the other half for believing the opposite. So what is the settled lore?

see above

No, an MtF tranny wouldn't have gone through all that trouble to fight for its people, they're the most self centered cunts alive. A FtM tranny probably would've done the whole dress up and pretend to be a soldier thing, but the moment the motherfucker mentioned that no man could kill him would have accepted it and walked away because pulling off the disguise and admitting that they were no man wouldn't have been worth getting the kill and saving countless lives.

Now a faggot, there's your wild card. I can legit see some crazy faggot who revels in their degeneracy (think Milo) pulling off the helmet and giving it, "Sweety, I'm not a real man XD" and then shoving the sword in and giggling like a schoolgirl for twenty minutes whilst mincing around the battlefield asking people if they saw what he just did.

Eowyn won because she won, the prophecy referenced both her not being a man and Merry not being a (hu)man.
Eowyn killed the Witch King and is the main reason it happened. She also would have been killed if it wasn't for Merry who was inspired by her to do it

so I have user faggots dogpilling on me telling me "if you thought it was due to her being a woman you are autistic" and it was only possible due to her being a woman? Genius discussion levels, Yea Forums.

Hobbits are quite literally human, the prophecy didn’t refer to Merry. The inspiration for the prophecy was Tolkien’s disappointment with how Shakespeare wrote the fulfilment of Macbeth’s similar prophecy. In that case, Macduff had been delivered by caesarean section, and so was not “born” of woman. If I’m remembering this right, Tolkien thought that kind of quibbling semantic turn was lackluster, so the Witch-King’s prophecy was made very literal (but in such a context that the audience would not consider the possibility). The prophecy, as both a narrative device and an indulgence of the author, was focused on Eowyn being a woman.

so he satirizes Shakespeare or lampoons him by making a quibbling prophesy? Seems like an odd place to put it considering it is the climax of the Nazgul's presense in the story.

Well no, the prophecy exists because Eowyn kills him, not the other way around.

how can his downfall be prophecised by him being killed?

Yes the main focus of the prophecy is Eowyn, but I remember in Road to Middle-Earth Shippey quoted some letters also refering to the second dimension with Merry.

Eowyn was irrelevant. This is referenced in the book a fair bit. Merry stabbing the wight in the back of the leg with a dagger specifically made to destroy wights is what caused the witch king to die, it just took a little while. Eowyn stuffing plain, unenchanted, regular metal into it's helmet was irrelevant.

it's likely she would have killed herself before reaching 30 if that were the case.