>Go on Yea Forums expecting people talking about movies >What I get: "Haha Captain Marvel capeshot Alita lol", "Actors are cuuuute", "I am sad and alone", "JEEWWWS" you get it
Lets actually discuss a MOVIE (if you know what that is) again. I just watched sorcerer from 1977 and it was a pretty neat movie althrough it needed some time to get started and some of the scenes were overly long which made them lose the tension they wanted to induce, nevertheless it were great scenes. The soundtrack was pretty neat too, I also loved Tangerine dream in Thief.
The theming and overall feeling was kind of surreal, the "lost in the jungle" theme reminded me of Apocalypse Now
Has anyone else seen this movie? What did you think about it?
personally I think it all the people died, for example in the car crash before the movie and the village is literally hell, the roadtrip being purgatory. Just think about it. All protagonists are criminals or terrorists and the other people in the village in some unnamed country are also nazis or criminals. But that is just my personal theory
Sorcerer is cool, but Wages of Fear is the better film. Clouzot's classical style zeroes in on the tension and terror of each individual life-threatening obstacle so you really feel it through the characters' nerves. Friedkin's approach was more psychedelic, similar to Apocalypse Now like you said and characteristic of the movie brat generation in general. He became more enamored with the spectacle and aesthetic of the various scenes. They're beautifully shot, but it still feels like a missed opportunity in comparison to Clouzot's commitment to a constantly tightening chokehold of suspense.
Brandon Moore
what a stupid movie name
Juan Turner
One of my favorite films desu. I watched To Live and Die in LA last night and liked it too, any recommendations for other Freidkin movies?
Henry Reed
The movie is good. Got to see the remastered version in the theatres earlier this year, going in completely blind.
Too bad it was such a flop back then, but Star Wars happened so it was just bad timing, I guess
Samuel Johnson
Cruising is fucking fantastic The French Connection The Exorcist
Blake Kelly
I yet have to watch the original Wages of Fear but I went into watching the movie without knowing much about it before
Elijah Torres
The ending felt rushed, the militia they encounter and the finally drive through the rocky terrain fell flat for me. It was obviously supposed to be the harrowing trying madness the journey has become, but the whole tonal shift feels jarring. Still a great movie for sure.
Jonathan Davis
Killer Joe Jade Bug
and all of the Friedkin classics, of course
Cooper Cruz
Watch the original idiot, it's a million times better
Elijah Bennett
This. While Friedkins version is a visual marvel and the production in general is impressive, the original is still a stronger film in many aspects.
Wages starts in the village itself, which I think helps to build a sense of claustrophobia better than the globe-trotting opening sequences of Sorcerer. When the four leads are all gearing up to go, Wages really sells the feeling of a point of no return, especially with the eerie quiet early-morning atmosphere while they're waiting for the trucks to arrive then departing on them. Past that they're basically the same plot-wise, but Wages is more focused on the non-stop tension and suspense while the exact way those plot beats play out is also more effective in my opinion. Wages is great because of how well it cuts out unnecessary fat. Its whole theme is the inevitability and constant risk of death, so all it has to be is a suspense movie about guys in constant mortal danger. And it's a really great one.
Blake Murphy
One of the few "better than the original" remakes.
Connor Nelson
What made me think of it.
Dominic Hill
That's a really interesting way of ranking directors. Peter weir Scorsese Cronenberg David Lynch (if including twin peaks)
Special bonus 60's director: Polanski Were the only ones I could think of
Colton Ramirez
>original
You mean the french novel?
Landon Thompson
Remakes I unironically enjoyed more than the original, not the originals are bad:
Invasion of the Body Snatchers 1978 The Fly 1986 Night of the Living Dead 1990 The Thing 1982 The Hills Have Eyes 2006
Fiteme, faggits.
Sebastian Green
Yeah, it's pretty rare to retain creative talent and integrity over so many decades. Most in the entertainment biz have their little 5-10 year period and then fade into obscurity.
Connor King
De Palma?
Gavin Miller
Am i retarded for expecting a literal sorcerer to appear throughout the whole movie? Although listening to Friedkin's interviews he said it himself, that the fates of characters were tied together and put through all those obstacles for vague reasons as if by malicious force.
Ethan Murphy
Scarface 1983
Tyler Lee
He hasn't really made kino since the '90s (Carlito's Way). Do not mention The Black Dahlia or Passion. They are mediocre.
Oliver Garcia
I see absolutely nothing wrong there. I would add True grit 3:10 to Yuma To a special 'I can't really decide which version like better'
Cooper Sanchez
Femme Fatale
Jonathan Reed
This is one of the most fun movies I've ever seen. Excellent suspense and entertaining plot. Too bad the name will turn a lot of people off
Dominic Rodriguez
I keep thinking of potential directors to add to the list then remember they either haven't made anything or have been flushing their legacy away in the last 20+ years.
Forgot about those 2. I agree. True Grit 2010 kicks the shit out of the original, not that the original is bad.
Anthony Perez
>Femme Fatale KEK yep
Cooper Russell
Mankino of the highest order. Kinda weird how this actor dude fucked off for ages to come back and do CSI
Great movie. Really builds up the tension. I watched Body Double too but didn't like it as much.
Jason Thomas
Yeah. Kubrick had a kino run that lasted from the '50s almost into the '00s with Eyes Wide Shut. If he had lived a little longer and made one more kino, he would have spanned 6 decades.
Benjamin Carter
My thoughts exactly. Wages of fear is so suspenseful
>Kinda weird how this actor dude fucked off for ages to come back and do CSI Yeah. I don't know how anyone could have watched Manhunter and To Live and Die in LA and not wanted him in every crime drama from then on. Dude oozed tension and presence in the '80s.
>aaaahhh let's discuss film, you incels >this movie was neat wow, I'd rather be drowning in Captain Marvel induced tears than see another pseudo intellectual way of saying 'I like this movie' disguised as a film discussion thread
Tyler Ward
Pic related is a hugely underrated movie from the equally underated Richard Lester, who retired way too soon.
Not that guy, but Sorceror was released the same weekend as Star Wars and got BTFO'd. A lot of people see it as a symbolic end to that kind of movie, even though some great examples were still to come.
Like, for example, Apocalypse Now. I really loved Sorceror when I saw it, and in a lot of ways I appreciate the simplicity of the story, but it could never fully gel with me because the atmosphere felt like a less successful attempt at what Apocalypse Now perfected. Still a damn good film, just not on the Exorcist or French Connection level.
Seeing the Disney logo in a Lynch film felt so strange. Good movie though.
Hunter Ross
kino soundtrack
Ayden King
Nah, wages of fear isn't as good The amount of work that went into sorcerer makes wages of fear appear amateur in comparison Would we have sorcerer without wages of fear? No But still, that doesn't take away any of the actual (amazing) technical merit that sorcerer has
Nicholas Young
this is a reddit post made by a redditor for a reddit movie
Gabriel Gray
Ain't that the truth, although very charming and innocent the movie dodges the usual disney sentimentality rubbish. Incredibly moving. youtu.be/Dp_DnZkoVNY?t=252
Nicholas Murphy
It was only a matter of time until someone had the compulsion to contribute nothing.
Jordan Ortiz
>Always stopped watching Sorcerer after around 30 minutes of nothing happens That's literally when it gets awesome, you fucking dumbshit ADHD brainlet.
Owen Johnson
They are called "strike anywhere" matches and they will ignite when scraped against anything with even the smallest amount of grit to it. If you're good, you can flick your thumbnail against the tip and light them.
Nolan Hall
Yeah. After this and Dracula, he was done. Made some real pieces of shit since the '90s.
Ethan Fisher
That shit is pleb-tier.
Gavin Ross
Killer Joe is ice cold
Ryder Miller
I highly recommend pic related (or any Melville, really) for those interested in some great french neo-noir cinema.
>babby's first French new wave memes aside, I enjoyed Circle Rouge much better
Ayden Brown
One instance where weird casting actually works.
John Rivera
I liked both but I prefer Army of Shadows btw I hate the FNW
Zachary Anderson
One of those movies with an incredibly confusing title. I literally thought this was a dark 80s fantasy movie initially.
Grayson Cook
>pleb tier incel jargon
Cameron Garcia
Friedkin himself said it referred to fate >The Sorcerer is an evil wizard and in this case the evil wizard is fate 100% spot on as a title, just misleading
Colton Wilson
Well, this thread is pretty entry-level as it is, I'm just making some good recommendations based on what people are talking about. As for Cercle Rouge, for some reason it just didn't stick with me. It's fairly uneventful for most of its duration (which is common for Melville, but in this case it managed to bore me a bit) but it redeems itself in a way with the great characters and the heist scene. The marksman cop was top-tier bro too. It was a good movie overall but I wouldn't put it above Le Samourai or Un Flic.
FNW is interesting to watch as a case study of a cinematic movement that couldn't be more of a product of its time even if tried, but aside from that I agree it's not a particularly high mark when it comes to quality save for some few directors like Melville, Truffaut or Lelouch. Don't even get me started on Godardfags, too.
Evan Gomez
Yeah fuck Godard, that piece of shit never made a good movie past 1966 desu the TNW and/or YBW, CNW and JNW are vastly superior
Xavier Cooper
None of the scenes are overly long. It's one of the most perfect movies I've ever seen.
Yeah, I started delving deeper into JNW and especially CNW these days and they're better by a mile. I really like Hong Kong New Wave too despite it being almost 2 decades apart from most "new wave" movements. What are TNW/YBW? Taiwanese New Wave? Can you give me some recs?
Thomas Jackson
No the first half hour is excellent, and the most original part of the film. You get a really good feel for each of the characters and their situation before they get to the village.
Adam Mitchell
Pic related is one of the best films I've ever seen. Are there any more alcoholkino like this?
how the fuck is le samourai less "uneventful" than Cercle Rouge? it has the same pacing, but I believe Circle Rouge puts a slightly less emphasis on character development due to the wider cast. Also Breathless is an iconic FNW piece.
>TNW and/or YBW, CNW and JNW Taiwan, China, Japan, whats Y? anyway watch for some peak 70's japkino
Ayden Cooper
>TNW Taiwanese new wave. I'd start with the omnibuses (Sandwitch man, In our time). Definitely check out Yang's Taipei Story, Brighter Summer Day and Yi-Yi and move from there, or Hou Hsiao Hsien's Summer at Grandpa's, A time to live, a time to die >YBW Yugoslav Black Wave Not much to watch, I really liked Man is not a Bird. Something akin to YBW but not precisely it is Makavejev's Sweet Movie and/or WR: Mysteries of the organism HKNW is good, but I still kinda just prefer the dumb-ish HK action movies Have you watched any Terayama?
Jacob Lee
You really don't though. Only one that gets proper characterozation is the French guy.
nothing like it but you might like head on. its about this fag wog's adventure into degeneracy
Christopher Hughes
The Blob 1988
Ian Hughes
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Isaac Cooper
I guess its unfair to term the whole movement as "new wave". In most cases its more of an Auteur revival era and its highly individualistic anyway, so its almost as if you're comparing a bunch of different film made in a different period and in a different part of the world made by different individual directors
David Scott
Eh, I don't know. Samourai is pretty uneventful too but maybe I just liked the early characterization and the tension a bit better. I also think the shallow character development in Cercle bothered me despite the characters being interesting in their own merits. Felt like wasted potential. Breathless is a meme at this point but it's one of the few Godards that I like.
These TWN recs seem interesting, definitely gonna check them out. Yang's films have been on my watchlist for months now, guess I'll give them some priority in the next days. I've also heard of Man is Not a Bird and Sweet Movie, gonna bump them up a bit too. HK action cinema is top tier. Personally the only time I felt the west came to the same level in terms of action films was during the late 80's and the early 00's with stuff like the Bourne films, Collateral, etc.
>Terayama Just googled him, holy shit he's the guy that made Throw Away Your Books, definitely gonna check his other works.
Dylan Nguyen
I'd recommend you start Terayama with Pastoral/Death in the Country and Grass Labyrinth You can find some of his short films on YouTube youtube.com/watch?v=01gAdjBUXpw
Nathaniel Barnes
I watched Arrebato yesterday but didn't like it very much.
The same could be said of Apocalypse Now in comparison to Aguirre, Wrath of God. Once you've seen the earlier film , the later one's impact falls away.
