>Be the most vicious and evil vampire ever to exist
>Even eventually surpass your sire, who was previously among the most vicious and evil vampires to ever exist
>Do things that are beyond the pale, like, the absolute most depraved sickening abhorrent filth for almost 200 years
Then
>get cursed by gypsies and get a soul again
>confronted with infinite remorse
>doesnt IMMEDIATELY catch a sunrise or stake himself
dropped.
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Suicide is the coward's way out
But hes already dead so it's not suicide
Never completely understand the soul thing. How responsible is Angel for his actions? Don't they even call Angel without a soul Angelus? Isn't the schtick in Buffy that vampires are demons inhabiting a human body? So Angel isn't responsible for shit. Dunno why he has to be such a whiny emo all the time then.
there's undead and then there's dead dead
Imagine having intimate memories of torturing, raping and mutilating hundreds of people for centuries, it makes sense to be a bit moody
Penitence is atoning for your actions, not punishing yourself.
>gets a soul
>stakes himself
>7 seasons of the camera pointed at a pile of ashes
Yeah, it makes sense especially with the dude's martyr complex.
There is a running theme in both series of characters feeling accountable for actions they had no control over.
>Youll never drink from her tit
I loved the old tymie episodes
Crossover fucking when?
shitty ending. the whole last season was a mess
Movie was better
Angel was always kind of a selfish prick though. Suicide means he's gone instead of hanging out in the world.
you arent considered responsible for your actions when you don't have a soul, I guess
gina davis in that pirate schlock was the best porn i’ve ever seen
It was a mix of great standalone episodes and a terrible rushed story arc, also replacing Lilah with Eve was unforgivable
GOOLD?
>rushed story arc
It wasn't rushed. Sure, they were cancelled, but there was plenty of time since Whedon got it cancelled while they were still plotting it. It wasn't your typically "find out in April" cancellation.
I never said they didn't have time, what happened is that the WB told Joss to make season 5 episodic like Buffy, and he did. So the story arc is crunched into a handful of episodes
Buffy wasn't episodic, either, by that point.
Everything happened as planned except the trip to Italy, which actually turned out to be one of the better eps.
more episodic then, Angel season 4 wasn't well liked by the higher ups because it was too serialized and dark. They wanted the show to be funnier and something you could jump right into
True enough, but as I said it wasn't rushed.
I have always wondered if the latter years of both shows would do better nowadays that heavy serialization is the norm.
Buffy S6 & S7 had the worst story archs. Boo hoo muh depression S6 & muh potentials S7. absolutely terrible.
So you'd kill yourself if your evil twin was SUPER evil?
Even Boreanaz's 'Irish' accent?
>b plots are the story arcs
Shush, child.
But my penis REALLY liked Eve.
Except Spike getting a soul completely invalidates Angel's shitty character arc
What was the a plot for 7 then? First Evil was intrinsically linked to potentuals.
Not really, Spike chose to earn his soul back because he was disgusted with himself and he still went insane, even more so than Angel as far as we can tell.
Spoike has always and will always be the better character tho
The First Evil was simply wiping them out. They're about as intrinsically linked as The Beast wiping out W&H.
The story arc is TFE using a glitch to wipe out the council and slayer line.
Threadly reminder that Season Eight exists.
A demon and Angel are two different beings. Returning his soul returns Angel, who dominates the demon in there.
Plus Spike never really gave a shit. Not like Angel anyway. He literally blames Buffy for trying to rape her and Wood's mom for him killing her. Then he tries to blame Angel for all the shit he did.
Angel has some line about being tortured by his actions for years while Spike just felt sorry for himself in a basement for a few weeks
Spike is based
S8 was at least entertainly terrible. The following series were just terrible.
No it's not
Yes it is.
>The story arc is TFE using a glitch to wipe out the council and slayer line.
Yes, the slayer line.
>doesnt IMMEDIATELY catch a sunrise or stake himself
Lingering shock would probably keep him from doing that. And even after it wore off he probably considered the whole argument about whether he's truly accountable for cruelty committed when his soul was gone.
Angel was the only show I've rewatched and never watched Buffy again so my memory is getting more vague but didn't he actually make a clear decision to end his life on Buffy with the sunrise, anyway?
wtf are you talking about, he was just an FBI special agent aiding the lab
ie: Buffy and Faith The Potentials were literally just fodder and were never central outside of Buffy's despondence at not being able to protect them. You might as well say S5's arc sucked because Dawn was a whiney cunt.
That would be a funny joke if anyone actually watched Bones.