I don't think Gandalf meant for us to come this way

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I believe this was supposed to be Gandalf's route

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the plan was retarded and they only won because of pure luck

There wasn't a clear plan for getting into Mordor, just how they'd reach it. I think Gandalf also had Rohan and Gondor rising up against Sauron in mind, giving the Fellowship a way in.

>‘I will take the Ring,’ he said, ‘though I do not know the way.’
>Elrond raised his eyes and looked at him, and Frodo
>felt his heart pierced by the sudden keenness of the glance.
>‘If I understand aright all that I have heard,’ he said, ‘I think
>that this task is appointed for you, Frodo; and that if you do
>not find a way, no one will. This is the hour of the Shire-folk,
>when they arise from their quiet fields to shake the towers and
>counsels of the Great. Who of all the Wise could have foreseen it?
>Or, if they are wise, why should they expect to know it, until the
>hour has struck?

This is the only route that makes any sense
reminder that Gandalf literally spent like 30 years reading researching the ring after he saw that Bilbo had it. Time wasn't really an issue

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by the time they had reached mount doom every little girl of Minas Thirith wouldve been ORCED

God, why did Tolkien write like such a fag?

not necessarily, Aragorn intentionally provoked Sauron into attacking first

Tolkien was actually a brilliant modernist writer.

>there are no mountains in the way so it's easier
have you ever walked anywhere? I'd rather go through mountains than a dense forest or swamp or tundra.

He wanted to personally appeal to you.

Theres a few towers and mountain paths they could have tried. If they could get through Caradras with Saruman weather shit they could have made it. The hobbits woulda had a hard time tho.

>An early (1944) draft of The Two Towers indicates a pass in the southern Ephel Dúath, called the Nargil Pass
>Nargil Pass appeared on a map drawn by Tolkien in 1943. However it doesn't appear on any subsequent maps, so its canonicity is unclear
I suppose they could've also taken the mountaineering approach by trying to traverse the mountain chain

dont you have an appointment at the Jerk Store?

>marching through angmar, the wastes, near gundabad, more wastes, and then rhun with a long time spent in mordor

how long did it take them to walk from the shire to mt. doom?

I believe while in Lothlorien Aragorn says something like he didn’t know the plan or Gandalf even had one.
In the movies Gimli talks about walking through the razor sharp rocks of emyn muil, but I don’t think anyone besides Gollum could have led them through the dead marshes so who knows

>Tolkien was actually a brilliant romantic writer.
ftfy

Six months with two of them spent in Rivendell and one in Lothorien

about 2 and 2/3s of a movie

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at last I truly see

Months to years. They stopped months in Rivendell and Lothlorien.

desu he would never fucking expect it

After a year of reading and a good hunch, he should have just taken the ring and a few dudes to that trip. Could have taken a few years in a leisurely pace and being careful. Then just sneak to mt doom and drop the ring into it, while hoping the trip was worth it.

Really they should've taken it to the first tier of litigation courts. Seeking a "vigilante trial" at the doorstep of Sauron's own company was risky but unprofessional, albeit in line with Gandalf's comparatively far-fetched financial gerrymandering.

Yeah but the courts were corrupt remember? Did you even play Shadows of Mordor?

>reminder that Gandalf literally spent like 30 years
>Maiar Gandalf, you'll be sent to Midgard to stop Sauron and his rings
>what Bilbo got a ring? funny!
>Spends 30 years to read about the obvious ring

Just built a trebuchet outside the black gate and launch the Hobbits into Mount Doom

>Perhaps the real Lord of the Rings was the friends we made along the way

the maiar istari stuff was always bullshit

Its more like 77 in the books.
>Bilbo found a ring that turns him invincible, he got it from a very corrupted creature
cool
>61 years later
>Bilbo left his ring with Frodo and showed tendency to not being able to part with it
Thats funny
>17 years goes
>Sauron is at peak military power again and the roads is prowled by Nazguls looking for the ring
HOLY SHIT FRODO, YOU NEED TO MOVE YOUR FAT ASS TO MORDOR

>let's take the longest possible route through mordor

*corrupts your entire creation for all eternity*

pssh...nothin personnel eru.......

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>go through the front door with a few gay hobbits and a dwarf vs hundreds of thousands of orcs and trolls and nine immortal wraiths and the direct wrath of sauron
>go through the back way where sauron would never suspect an attack and his easterling buddies are too busy riding horses and drinking booze to notice

it's fitting that the pic is cropped above his feet

>hey eru you know how you have this big wide space out here
>yea
>you could like make really cool shit in it like imagine all the life and worlds there could be
>nah
>what why not though eru
>idk lul
>well i mean you made me stronger than everyone else right
>yea
>maybe i could make it then watch this i can sing cool songs to make things too
>WOW STFU MELKOR YOU FUCKIN UPSTART LITTLE TWAT HOW FUCKIN DARE YOU TRY TO DO ANYTHING YOU LITTLE SHIT FUCK YOU LOOK AT HIM GUYS LOOK AT HIM AND LAUGH ACTUALLY DOING SHIT AND USING HIS ABILITIES THIS FUCKING TOOL NEVER DO THAT AGAIN MELKOR I SWEAR TO MYSELF IF YOU EVER DO THAT AGAIN I'LL CHOKE YOU WITH YOUR OWN FORESKIN
>...uh
>good now time to go back to my two favorite hobbies jerkin it and sleepin lol

And Melkor is the BAD guy?

Walking within a stones throw of barad dur would put them in the exact middle of those hundreds of thousands of orcs

so sauron needed at least 77 years to amass a sizeable army to attack Gondor, whereas saruman bio-engineered a fighting force of superorcs out of the blue in a matter of weeks that nearly succeeded in wiping out the Kingdom of Rohan? What a hack.

>Implying Melkors corruption wasnt just another part of Eru's big plan.
Notice how Eru never really did anything noteworthy against Melkor, meanwhile he reshaped the entire world because of Saurons fuckery, resurrected his worst enemy and made Gollum trip over

Its quite easy
Horsefuckers < Numenoreans

He had a much better tax policy and mustering system.

Resurrected his worst enemy?

Eru resurrected Gandalf

This, literally God had to come down to make it happen

Eru is lie constructed by Manwe, IMO. That's how I interpret it anyway, and Melkor was the world's rightful maker.

Winging it... winging it... hmm.

Eru is just a stoner trying to get his uptight kid to relax and enjoy the little things in life

>Midgard
brainlet

>Implying Sauron's air force wouldn't attack the eagles
>Implying he couldn't summon a giant ash cloud and suffocate them midflight

autism speaks

Orcphobic bigot

wait what

t. brainlet erufag

Gandalf wanted to go to Rivendell though.

>it's a 'atheist anons don't understand basic teleological principles'
I bet you envision God as sat at a chessboard moving pieces.

Do you think middle-earth=Arda?

Gandalf also defended notorious paedophiles and said it was everyone else's fault for not noticing that they were diddling kids so fuck that guy

he had been breeding them for years under the tower

fucking wrekt

They should have just dug a tunnel into Mordor.

They could always stop for some elf pussy on the return trip.

How was Gandalf his worst enemy?

Embarrassing post

he's not wrong tho

I get that most of you anons haven't read the books and get your idea of LotR from watching Jackson's trilogy once every year, but you really should give the books a shot. If you can't be arsed to actually read them, then there's a brilliant audiobook version done by Rob Inglis that I'd very much recommend.

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Can someone explained why this wouldn't have worked?
Moria proves that it's certainly possible. And Gandalf's magic would've sped the process up by leagues

>listening to Tolkienn autistically spend 10 pages writing lyrics to a song that no one wants to hear

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>Makes orcs
>Good guy
You like niggers fucking your wife, huh?

>Can someone explained why this wouldn't have worked?
Because no one would read that book.

You dare question God's judgment?

>Because no one would read that book.
People watched pic related so I disagree

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>makes faggoty beardless twinks who talk to trees
You like taking it up the ass in Santa Monica, huh?

Because the whole point was any move that was too obvious would immediately get Sauron's attention and the hammer would be brought down. He'd notice if a bunch of dwarves and hobbits started tunneling in the middle of the Shire headed suspiciously for Mordor, but given how retarded of a plan it is he'd probably have fun with it and let them get to Mordor, then wait at the exit as they dug out then flood the whole tunnel with lava.

board is filled with zoomers what you'd expect

The only one you're putting down with that attitude of yours is yourself, user.

This sounds like a brilliant episode of Looney Toons and better than lotr tbqh

Elves are ancient israelites, not faggots.

Sauron only went all in on Minas Tirith because he thought Saruman or Aragorn had the ring. The movie kinda glosses over this fact

>implying sauron can see shit going on in the shire
user how fucking dumb are you?

You know Sauron isn't literally a big eye that can see really far, right?

If anything it was just a test, though he didn't intend on losing the Witchking. The army at Pelennor was a "small fraction" of his overall strength. If he wanted to take Gondor, he could have.

Right, which is why he has birds and wolves and ghosts on inhumanly fast horses that directly relay him information while his magic lets him concentrate anywhere in Middle-earth he wants to from afar.

No he's not a literal eye but he's still the strongest fucking sorcerer in the world.

Right, Sauron attacked Minas Tirith prematurely and only with part of his host (enough to win in his mind) because Aragorn and co. baited him into it.

This just reminds me of how shitty the conclusion of the battle at Pelennor Fields was in the film; fucking ghosts driving off/killing Sauron's entire army. Such a stupid change that I can't make sense of for the life of me.

Looking at this map gave me a huge wave of nostalgia for when Two Towers was in theaters.

Why didn't Ganandorf just wing it to Mordor?

Super Mario Bros Arcade style

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Well, sure. The idea of tunneling to Mordor is stupid on so many levels that it doesn't deserve a proper response in the first place.

you mean smeagol isn't real?

based

Enjoy your great wyrms of the north bro

The ghost thing is so anti climatic. It’s sad.

There were many secret ways in and out through the mountains. Gandalf knew that.

>they take so long everyone's already fucking dead by the time they get to Mount Doom

Literally the entire reason for his downfall. He was the thread that wove and bound the resistance to Sauron and put the ring's destruction into motion.

It really is absolutely ridiculous.

>southern hosts of Gondor arriving at the scene in the commandeered ships of the pirate fleet alongside Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli, and the Grey Company to save the day; leading to a great triumph of man through cooperation and hope
vs
>ghost army saves everyone's bacon

>we wanted elves at Helm's Deep so when they left it would be more dramatic that humans were fighting alone
>oh yeah and here is an army of invincible ghosts

>take long-ass route around the continent
>dock in enemt territory and walk through the armies of bad guys
Great plan

The elves showing up to undermine the idea that mankind is alone in this fight, with only nominal assistance from the other races, and that the Last Alliance of Elves and Men really WAS the last alliance, given that the elves were leaving the world, was bad enough. Ghost army was just a slap in the face.

writing thousands of pages of epic fantasy to force your song lyrics is one autistic step the other artists like Elvis and Sinatra weren't willing to take in Tolkien's day

>dug too far and too deep
It’s blatantly obvious that the dwarves dug deep enough to hit the mantle. Why didn’t they just drop the ring down there? Surely the mantle would be hotter than the fires of mount doom, which come from the mantle. Clearly Tolkien was a superhack

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>After the destruction of Númenor, Arda was made round. Aman was taken out of the world, and could only be reached by the Elves, following the straight road that was granted to them. As Aman was taken away from Arda, new lands and continents were created east and west of Middle-earth.

>The Straight Road

were LGBT elves banned from heaven? Really problematic

That map is fucked. The sunklands were not that far north of the Shire.

don't worry, I'm sure they'll be everywhere in the Netflix show

They were also straight to the west of it, afaik.

>Applying real world logic to a setting where reality is constructed of magic songs and dominated by a fat man too busy banging his hot wife to care about the world ending.

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I think Gandalf was literally winging it and this was all he could think of, show up at Mordor and hope they get lucky

>"Oh no... I'm err dead! Or something... Guess you guys have to carry on without me and figure out the rest on your own"
>Fellowship splits up and Frodo and Sam find their own path
>"Oh look at that, I'm not dead after all... I'm gonna chill with Aragorn and the folks not trying to get to mt Doom... But I definitely had a plan..."

You can't just go off the edge of the map to skirt around the enemy defense

Kek, pretty much

Worst part to me is how the ghost fuckers basically make the Rohirrim's sacrifice completely pointless. If they had shown up two hours later, the outcome wouldn't have been different.

>walking right next to Barad-dur

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They also excluded Eomer's death-charge.

>Then one of the knights took the king’s banner from the hand of Guthláf the banner-bearer
>who lay dead, and he lifted it up. Slowly Théoden opened his eyes. Seeing the banner he made
>a sign that it should be given to Éomer.
>‘Hail, King of the Mark!’ he said. ‘Ride now to victory! Bid Éowyn farewell!’ And so he died,
>and knew not that Éowyn lay near him. And those who stood by wept, crying: ‘Théoden King! Théoden King!’
>But Éomer said to them:

>Mourn not overmuch! Mighty was the fallen,
>meet was his ending. When his mound is raised,
>women then shall weep. War now calls us!

>Yet he himself wept as he spoke. ‘Let his knights remain here,’ he said, ‘and bear his body in
>honour from the field, lest the battle ride over it! Yea, and all these other of the king’s men that
>lie here.’ And he looked at the slain, recalling their names. Then suddenly he beheld his sister
>Éowyn as she lay, and he knew her. He stood a moment as a man who is pierced in the midst of
>a cry by an arrow through the heart; and then his face went deathly white, and a cold fury rose
>in him, so that all speech failed him for a while. A fey mood took him.
>‘Éowyn, Éowyn!’ he cried at last. ‘Éowyn, how come you here? What madness or devilry
>is this? Death, death, death! Death take us all!’
>Then without taking counsel or waiting for the approach of the men of the City, he spurred headlong
>back to the front of the great host, and blew a horn, and cried aloud for the onset. Over the field
>rang his clear voice calling: ‘Death! Ride, ride to ruin and the world’s ending!’
>And with that the host began to move. But the Rohirrim sang no more. Death they cried with one
>voice loud and terrible, and gathering speed like a great tide their battle swept about their fallen king
>and passed, roaring away southwards.

What a fuckin crime it is.

>a few years with the one ring

It would have definitely corrupted the bearer/group in that span of time. The whole point of the series is that the ring could only be defeated by chance in the end, evil is too powerful to be resisted.

>Eru: Ayo, my kids, let's make a song that is creation and shiet
>Melkor: Abloobloo I make a poopoo *stains creation forever with his skid marks*, clean it up janny FUCK N-
>Eru: Melkor, you're such a disappointment, but I love you son
>Melkor: ... (You will pay for this humiliation, old man, I swear to God(Eru)!)
>some aeons later
>Melkor to other Valar: Nice material world you got there lol, shame if somebody just ruined everything... AGAIN *starts autistically flinging feces*
Yeah, Melkor did nothing wrong

it's just a composite map to show important locations from across the ages. it's not supposed to be geographically accurate.

Based Chadgolfin

did they really give Eomer's speech to Theoden? What a hack

Yep, ontop of the speech he already has in that scene;

>Then suddenly Merry felt it at last, beyond doubt: a change. Wind was in his
>face! Light was glimmering. Far, far away, in the South the clouds could be dimly
>seen as remote grey shapes, rolling up, drifting: morning lay beyond them.
>But at that same moment there was a flash, as if lightning had sprung from the
>earth beneath the City. For a searing second it stood dazzling far off in black and
>white, its topmost tower like a glittering needle; and then as the darkness closed
>again there came rolling over the fields a great boom.
>At that sound the bent shape of the king sprang suddenly erect. Tall and proud he
>seemed again; and rising in his stirrups he cried in a loud voice, more clear than any
>there had ever heard a mortal man achieve before:

>Arise, arise, Riders of Théoden!
>Fell deeds awake: fire and slaughter!
>spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered,
>a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises!
>Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor!

>With that he seized a great horn from Guthláf his banner-bearer, and he blew such a
>blast upon it that it burst asunder. And straightway all the horns in the host were lifted up
>in music, and the blowing of the horns of Rohan in that hour was like a storm upon the plain
>and a thunder in the mountains.

>Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor!

Wonder why they mashed this up. Brevity? Already enough greifmadness with Denethor? Lack of confidence in the audience remembering Eomer?

>contending with the intensely cold and barren Northern Wastes, that possibly have wyrms and drakes still living there
>walking past Mount Gundabad, a known orc stronghold since the First Age
>walking through the hot near-barren plains and deserts of Rhûn
>walking right past Barad-Dûr and the Eye to get to Mount Doom

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It's especially infuriating since they gave so much of the Pelennor screentime to Legolas and Gimli's little game, and then the dead men of Dunharrow.

I never noticed the other part of the gate on the far top left before.

He probably meant for them to take the pass of Cirith Ungol. AFAIK that's the only way into Mordor other than the black gate unless you're willing to go all the way around to the east and then try to make it all the way back west to Mt. Doom. Of course he meant for them to go that way as a full group, where Gandalf, Aragorn, and company could probably take Shelob. Not for Frodo and Sam to go on their own.

Definitely brevity. I love the books but Tolkien's prose is so dense/flowery that even if you limited things to the important speeches, you would still have a hard time maintaining audience attention/keeping a reasonable amount of screentime.

>Gandalf, Aragorn, and company could probably take Shelob.
Well Shelob jobbed to Sam alone so the full squad probably would've completely BTFO'd her with relative ease

Tell me about the lamp of the Valar.

t. Sauron

Gandalf would've dropped that fat monstrous whore like she was a house spider and he a newspaper.

Same reason that Bombadil was cut, but half of Treebeard's dialogue is actualy Bombadil's.

When Arda was newly made, before the Elves were even a thing, the Valar made two gigantic lamps to light the world.
Then Melkor knocked them over, and the nice symmetrical world was ruined.
The Valar were seething lmao

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I'm positive that bombadil wasn't cut for length, but because how out of place he'd be in PJ's films

>[Fingolfin INTENSIFIES]

I'm pretty sure PJ talks about this in one of the many behind the scenes videos

what would really happen to a mortal sailing to the grey haven ?

if I'm going to watch all the movies, and have never seen one, what order should I watch them in?

dont watch the hobbit trilogy

>sailing from the grey haven
ftfy
and, nothing, because the Undying Lands are removed from the World.
Even if a Mortal did get there, as in the case of Bilbo and Frodo, they would still die a natural death.
The Undying Lands are called that before the immortal live there, not because living there makes one immortal.

The Grey Haven is a proper place in Middle-Earth, so; not much. If you mean Valinor, then he wouldn't find it unless taken there by someone who knew the way, ie an elf. After the Numenoreans tried to invade it in the Second Age, the Valar had begged Eru to intervene, and he turned the world into a globe so that no one uninvited to make their way there.

>no one uninvited to make their way there.
COULD make* god damn

>Is there any consensus among Tolkienists what path the Fellowship should have taken?

Yeah, its in the book. They get all turned around after they run into Shelob and they have to improvise.

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I SMASHED DOWN THE LIGHT
DARED VALINOOOR

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fotr, ttt, rotk

correct order is:
>Hobbit part 1
>hobbit animated to get the full story without watching the trash that is Jackson's part 2 and 3
>fellowship of the ring
>Two towers
>Return of the king
>fellowship of the ring again because its the best one
>Kingdom of Heaven
>Play the Third age mod for total war medieval 2
>Optional: Play battle for middle earth

You mean ck2 total war is for kids under the age of 16

>he doesn't mod the hell out of total war to get a good experience
Pleb, also do I need any of the dlc's to get into ck2? I have the base game from some random humble bundle and always meant to get into it.

that isn't where rohan is

The hobbits were just making banter with each other. Surely they thought there must have been any other way than through the front door, and were just exasperated by that point. Gollum tells them there is another way, his way, and then they go on ahead. Gandalf might have taken them down the same path assuming he knew about it, I'm sure a Wizard could have taken on Shelob no problem.

lmfao

The path that they were on was fine. The Crebain fucked that up by reporting it back to Saruman.

I thought this was well known regardless of whether someone watched the movies or read the books. Its a pretty big scene in the first movie for fuck sake.

helllo reddit

Frodo and Sam arrive at Mordor's gate by the first 30 minutes of Two Towers. They spend the next movie and a half taking the way around.

>UH FRODO I THINK IT'S TIME FOR PLAN B
>THIS IS PLAN B

this. Gondolin I remember being due west

>>Kingdom of Heaven
movie is shit
>Optional: Play battle for middle earth
mandatory

>>>Kingdom of Heaven
>movie is shit
Oh ya my bad, I of course mean Kingdom of Heaven: director's cut

GRRM better writer than toklien

I will take your opinion on writing seriously when you display the ability to form full sentences.

He didn't have a route.

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>All this fucking fuss over a really tiny part of what I assume is a massively larger continent.

Makes the whole story feel less important honestly

but that tiny part is the place where white people are, so its more important than the rest of the world combined

What happened on that island in the south west corner? Drunk Brits?

Those mountains sure are strategically convenient.

the story for frodo and sam was a race against being caught out with the ring
the story for the rest was stopping sauron taken over the immediate area that frodo and sam have to pass through

Jesus Christ

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I'm really pissed off that Amazon's series won't be set in a different timeline.

Big dick energy

>different timeline
How the fuck would middle earth ever have a different time line without going the route of fucking Shadow of Mordor

Gandalf foresaw some role for Gollum. They were meant to follow him. If they hadn’t the ring would not have been destroyed because Frodo didn’t want to give it up in the end.

This. Off to Mordor, throw the ring into Mount Doom, and back to Rivendell with powerful smoking herbs in time for elevensies.

so whats the problem with just taking a cruise down to near mordor then hiking for a weekend up to mt doom?

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You mean Valinor, and you can't really sail there because its in space. The elven "ships" the elves take from the Grey Haven are actually space ships. Its all between the lines.

Thats also why its only Cirdain the shipwright who makes the elven ships to Valinor and why he also is the oldest elf on middle earth, in fact so old he doesnt have parents he was literally just made by Eru. Therefore he still has the knowledge of space travel and future tech that only Valinor elves have and that the primitive Middle Earth elves do not understand.

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Because Minas Morgul was where the Witch King and the other Nazgul chilled out, also he knew Shelob lived on the Pass of Cirith Ungol, I mean yeah sure they got over that but if Sam didn't found Frodo in time and took the ring Sauron would've curbstomped the Middle Earth

this is how one knows you are a brainlet

The entire journey from shire to Mordor and back the Shire took a year.

I've been out of the loop, what do we actually know about the amazon series, diversity memes aside.

Good thing no one raped him because that's a one hit kill for elves and then everybody else would be stuck in Middle Earth

He only attacked Minas Tirith in an All in Move because the idiot though Pippin had the Ring. No wonder Sauron was just a shoe shiner for Morgoth. He is retarded

that's a big tree

Umm thats an Uruk-Hai you bigot

Did you just assume his orcish sub-race? Some big boi at the Morannon could pass for Uruk-hai.

This sort of happens in Tolkiens early ideas for Middle Earth.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ælfwine_of_England

I will lash myself for my problematic behaviour. How do we find out what they identify as?

about a year according to the books

Nothing but Amazon produced new Suspiria which unlike Nyetflix crap had good cinematography

>Orcs from the black gate
>At helms deep
What, did the fucking nazgul give them a lift?

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Why did they go through Moria when they could just go through the Gap of Rohan

He didn't seem so powerful when Fingolfin kicked his shit in

Ho! Tom Bombadil, Tom Bombadillo!

>all these names for lands nobody lives in

Based and Ar-Pharazonpilled

well, not anymore. as i recall, isnt the majority of middle earth simply cursed land by now? or at least, destroyed beyond recognition?

Lol I almost commented that. Maybe when,gandalf said fly you fools he meant dive into the cave as he. Fell until they found a tunnel that would lead close to morodor and just dig the rest of the way to mt doom.

Why do people treat goblins as a synonym for orcs. Goblins come from the north, then you have orcs, then you have the olog hai and uruk hai breeds.

The only kingdoms left are stagnated and doesnt expand, the only other settlements are remnants of kingdoms gone long ago. I really dont think there at that many humans at all in middle earth.

No. Orcs and goblins are different words for the same thing.

Uruk hai are half orcs or some mix thereof. Olog hai are half orc half troll.

Do elves brap after eating lembas?

Wait so middle earth is just a small island off shore from all the action? What the fuck, I thought the whole place was middle earth

Elves don't do that

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There is a shit ton of humans in all those lands of gondor, harad, rohan, dunland, etc. Rhun area seems prettt populated. I am talking about the lands right next door to well populated areas like Minhiriath

...

Nah orcs are skinnier and have narrow featurws. Goblins have broader features and bodies.

I don't know shit about shit but maybe men were just as dangerous as bad terrain, bad weather, and monsters. Anyone they meet could want the ring and conspire to steal it, and gossip would always keep the wraiths on their trail. Every day of the quest would go about as well as Bree.

A lot better than constant orc attacks and a fucking kraken and balrog. Ringwraiths cant even handle a fucking torch or running water

Nobody knew about the ring though. It took Gandalf decades of researcb to figure it out.

>Tom Bombadil
fuck off retard

Their beautiful songs

Thanks user. I just wanted to make one of us smile today. I was suffering from depression and a critical (You) shortage. You saved me.

There is a really great analysis about Tom Bombadil being a lot darker in actuality

Are you sure?

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Any of you fags ever play MERP? Comfy as fuck and you can easily die.

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ooohhh

my ding ding dong

Something like this?
youtube.com/watch?v=bBIubgsfK8E

Back to the rock, no room to move with knees locked, futile attempt to block the strike with all that force and mass behind it...that faggy looking blonde warrior is about to fucking die lol

Saruman was watching the Gap of Rohan

Only in the movies, in the books the "eye of Sauron" it's a metaphor

Ok

Why not go to the Grey Havens and catch a ship to Gondor

The eagles blew the FUCK out of the Nazgul and their mounts.

Eagles are Maiar, basically minor deities. The Nazgul are just corrupted humans/Numenoreans. Their mounts are just evil animals.

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Not canon

for scale, Ungoliant was the size of a fucking continent. When she came down into Valinor everything was covered in darkness. That's how fucking things were in the First Age,

Smaug? puny faggot beside Ancalagon the Black. The White Tower of Echtelion? fucking market village beside Gondolin. Helms Deep? just a chamber not even fit for Nagorthrond, Gandalf's fight agains the Balrog? Glorfindel dropped 5 and was so badass he was revived

pirate them is not that hard

NOT ALL ORCS

It was a bit weird they didn't take any maps with them or discuss the route beforehand. Not even in the books.

Can't believe I snorted at this retarded shit

pleb

He was definively Eru just chilling out on Middle Earth

>for scale, Ungoliant was the size of a fucking continent. When she came down into Valinor everything was covered in darkness.
no. How does a spider the size of a continent climb onto a mountain? Valinor got dark because she chucked some webs around and fucking sucked the light out of the Trees

Saruman controlled the Gap of Rohan, the Crebain fucked that plan because it meant Saruman was watching them closely

the movies are non canon

mountain was bigger

That's extra odd because we know from the books that Bilbo drew an extremely detailed map of Middle Earth when he wrote The Red Book (what Tolkien would later publish as The Hobbit).

>Crebain

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that was Theoden's speech.

don't forget all aragorns ranger bros

You absolute fucking brainlet and pleb. Keep your genes to yourself.

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She probably changed size at will or grew expotentially larger as she ate the light

She probably was fuck-huge when she escaped with Melkor and made him scream like a bitch tho

it is less important if you think about the scale of the Silmarillion. But to those characters it meant everything. I think Sam got a small glimpse of the bigger tale when he saw the Star of Eärendil, a Silmaril, in Mordor
>There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach. His song in the Tower had been defiance rather than hope; for then he was thinking of himself. Now, for a moment, his own fate, and even his master’s, ceased to trouble him. He crawled back into the brambles and laid himself by Frodo’s side, and putting away all fear he cast himself into a deep untroubled sleep.

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On one hand I agree but I think from there Sauron would try to take over everything right? Why wouldn't he?
But I am a pleb who only read the books like 3 months ago for the first time.

the ring has to be destroyed where it was forged, not just in fires hotter than where it was forged

What was Melkors tax policy?

100% tax on light and big jewels

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corsairs from harad

why are nazis so retarded sometimes?

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Was anyone else mesmerized by these covers when they were younger?

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Yes, Alans worm will always be lotr for me

*Alans work
although I guess worm works too

those mountains likely go on for a whole lot longer but are just all uncharted

I think the plan the whole time was to get to mirkwood and regroup, talk shit over with Galadriel and see if her scouts know anything about the amount of orcs in Mordor. When they formed the fellowship it would be another 6 months to a year before Saruman or Sauron ever showed any hints of forming an armies, the only word at the time was of small orc raids on Gondor villages.

tbtruthful I'm pretty sure Gandalf would've realized they were fucked by the time they got to Mirkwood and Galadriel let them all know about Saruman forming any army. I doubt they would go to Theoden's aid and Rohan would all be fucked at helm's deep, with an unstoppable force mowing through Bree into the Shire or into Rivendell even. God knows what would happen to Gondor with Rohan kia. and without them ever dispatching the black ships and bringing the undead.

I'd assume gollum would still be following them though, and Gandalf would be wise enough to capture him and get info from him since gollum was taken to mordor before. Perhaps they'd figure out the steps from him and go that way, the whole fellowship sneaking through mordor in orc armour, or maybe Gandalf and the fighters would stir up a huge distraction while frodo went alone. Their best bet would be while Minas Tirith was getting ransacked though.

In a way, the fellowship splitting up solved more issues then it introduced all in all.

It wasnt so much man, but Rohan. The point was they were alone in their war with saruman. Denethor wasnt going to send help and eomer had left. Elves being there was just plain unneccesary, but it was just a cover up because originally Arwen was there which you can still see in a shot on a horse

Those are some pretty accurate sallets desu

>mirkwood
you mean lothlorien

But they didnt find out Saruman had become a bad guy until they met him

yeah whatever

Why didn't they just make a magic ring each for everyone on middle earth

enjoyed the movies a lot, and rewatch them a few times a year, because of this thread downloaded the books via pdf because poorfag

looking forward too it thanks frens

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every guy in middle-earth wore ur mum's ring

what kind of retard doesn't have a library card

wtf? you can find is in any 2nd hand book store for nearly nothing, hell chat to the owner a bit and he'd probably give it to you for free

Why didn't Sauron file a police report detailing his stolen jewellery and that he knew who had it?

E-readers are the kinoman's way of reading in 2019. No need to go to a library or re-loan the same book if you're taking your time reading it. Every book fits into your pocket. Internet has a much larger collection and it's easier.
Carrying fucking LOTR to read in public transportation would be cringe and needlessly heavy.

no fuck you, I like my kindle great but for something like lotr you want paper in your hand, their is something about it, for the endless trash and even decent stuff sure, but if I really like something then there is nothing like a real book in your hands, especially something like Lotr which is often printed on that special paper like the bible is

>implying that shit is canon

>fingolfins last stand
>not canon
please end your life, it would be best for everyone

every library these days has online collections that you can download onto ereaders tho, no need to pirate dog

At the least get the bloody library card and check shit out. Unless you live in a low density rural bumfuck odds are you have a pretty decent local library. They're unironically kino especially if you're a poorfag like me, they have tons of free shit you can use including movies

Remember when Tolkien on his deathbed said quick, get the unfinished shit I wrote about fingolfin and publish it, its canon?
stay hostile faggot

so angry

>take the longest possible route through several varieties of monster infested wasteland only to go right past Barad-dur anyway

why would I do that when I could just download the book easier without bothering with the library shit?
I have a library card but I live in Finland so they don't always have everything in English (I'm not gonna read a book in Finnish if the original is in English), haven't checked out the E-library though because I don't see a reason for it. Looks like the maximum loan time here is two weeks at a time. I read LOTR for months so fuck that.

says the fucking idiot who said kys out of nowhere and has no response. 0/10 troll, this is below Yea Forums tier pathetic.

kys

agreed, but you should still just buy a copy, it would be almost nothing

one of the main plot points is that Sauron has no idea where the Ring has been for 1000 years until the Nazgul waterboard the homeless crack addict who held on to it for a while.

Sauron himself waterboarded the junkie, he remembers the 4 fingered hand

no, I am pretty sure he was going to count on Galadriel and Lothlorien to supply a path into Mordor. I think his plan was to pair up with the strongest elf in middle earth (Galadriel ) and use their powers to get into Mordor.

Don't think he knew exactly how they were going to do it, but Galadriel was one of the few "powerhouses" in the world Gandalf still got along with relatively well.

That said I suspect he originally planned to head to Gondor and have Aragorn take the throne, his goal was to save all of middle earth, not just destroy the ring, and I suspect he was going to figure out the ring after saving the west from Mordor's armies.

I suspect they would've split at lothlorien, aragorn and boromir go to gondor, via rohan, and the rest continue on basically the same way they did, but also I think between celembor galadriel and gandalf, they would've figured out a better way to sneak in then through cirith ungol

>because originally Arwen was there
That's just fucking retarded.
They really were pushing this gurrrrl power shit weren't they?
Wasn't Eowyn enough?
Shit.

I suspect it was just to make sure she stays relevant so some random elf chick doesn't just show up at the end and marry aragorn, another way to go would've been to have flash backs throughout the 3 films showing aragorn growing up in rivendell falling in love with her etc. but I understand why they did it, even if cutting glorfindel still pisses me off to this day

>just map-hack mordor bro

it was an ikea lamp
it was shit
and it broke
melkor did nothing wrong
he just wanted his cheap fuck bros and sisters to buy quality goods but they were all penny pinching gits

>only magic lava can destroy it
>durrr throw it into non-magical lava that's hotter

I find it an odd but interesting notion that it was light virtually all the time, and that the further away from the lamps you were everything dissolved into a murky twilight in the far distance.

>o whats the problem with just taking a cruise
The oceans are filled with sea monsters, and just like the watcher in the water before moria, they would be drawn to the evil of the ring.

also pirates and corsairs

>Back to the rock
>no room to move with knees locked
>futile attempt to block
>blondie about to get focked

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I can't remember this shit, but wasn't Ungoliant not really a spider but the closest thing that came to mind if you behled her was something spider-like?
Or am I thinking about IT?
Or was this property of IT based of Ungoliant?

Was she just that "typical" Lovecraftian idea of an eldritch abomination, something both massive but ultimately inconceivable and it was just called a spider for convenience sake? I'm sure this has been discussed before in one of the many threads on this subject here.

>downloaded the books via pdf because poorfag
Are you ?

Because if you are using a pdf file with an ebook reader is retarded. Download the epubs at least.
If you're not that guy, try to get a physical book as reading a long ass pdf on your computer screen of little smartphone display will get old real fast.

Do what the others say and get a cheapo physical copy if you don't own an ebook reader.
Everyone should own an ebook reader if they regularly read though, shit is cash.

the eldritch terror of the outer void is what it is, best explanation possible

no, he's not >111007318 I am, and using a pdf to read any thing is stupid, kindle has its own format, epub sucks, but real books>everything else

Bell-endian. Elves partied so hard they sunk 90% off a continent.

Dragon fire definitely burns hotter than lava but it wouldn't have done jack shit to the ring. It wasn't about temperature but magic bullshit; the ring had to be destroyed where it was made, no exceptions.

The whole idea was that the Fellowship was doomed to fail regardless of what route it took or who was in it. Everyone they met would succumb to the temptation of the ring regardless of the demographic. The Fellowship was already showing signs of stress before the Mines of Moria; which was the easiest part of the journey. Any route would've been impossible.

People so quickly ignore that the eagles would be tempted to steal the ring like every other intelligent creature. And being exceptionally powerful creatures it would be pretty damn awful if one took the ring. There is a reason Gandulf kept them away from Frodo while the ring still existed but had no issue calling for their aid in other circumstances.

Pretty sure they fleshed out the possible routes into mordor at the council of elrond, they were likely to take a northerly route. I do recall reading somewhere that Sauron had ambushes on all the passes except for Morgul, because he relied on Shelob for that one.

>Eagles are Maiar, basically minor deities. The Nazgul are just corrupted humans/Numenoreans
but the whitch king dabbed all over Gandalf. The Maiar that chose the eagle form are stuck now, so they are nothing more than big birds. They are pests, farmers drive them away with fucking arrows because the eagles eat their livestock.

What goes on in the undying lands?

bunch of gods being sad that their pet elves decided to fuck off in a sudden fit of autism.

That's canonically only a numenorean myth

not a whole lot of dying

Several thousands of years after he was at his peak.
Stuck in mortal form.
Again a tiny very fast opponent.
Who he still (literally) curbstomped.

Even Chris says the silmarillion and related aren't canon, and are only as factual as the reader chooses them to be

so what you and chris are saying is, it's canon

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Between all the sea monsters and pirates and corsairs I find it difficult to believe there's a single fucking legitimate merchant captain who chooses to sail the sea.

the witch king only dabbed on Gandalf in the movie, which was a retarded scene in an otherwise great film