It's pretty clear that his net worth was probably under $5 million, right? So he killed, robbed, cheated...

would you rather be tony soprano or the pajeet

I mean what was the net worth of the entire family? Under $20M? Such small potatoes really

he's working class

Yeah but he also had power and lived a fast lifestyle and smashed tons of hotties a pajeetvprogrammer is a boring person

i wouldn't ever want to be a pajeet but if I kept my body i'd rather be a head programmer at Google making a comfy 500k a year

>everybody hates their job
yeah except they don't punch they're boss out for telling them what to do like tony would've
you can call tony a pussy but he'd say the same thing to you for sticking with a basic bitch job

he murdered and crippled people for literally pennies. he was a lowlife. i'm not a moralfag either, i could understand killing people for large sums of money. he literally killed people who owed him like 5 grand or something. he was the lowest of the low piece of trash

Blood in blood out incel

I guess my main argument is that he wasted his potential. His dominance, alpha behavior and decent intelligence would have gotten him a lot further in a legitimate business than it ever could running a glorified crew out of Jersey. He could've easily been a boss of a company and made more money than he did as a mobster

I'd rather beat people up for a living making 1/10th that of a programmer than work in a cubicle for 12 hours a day for a company that is destroying the country I live in.

>implying you actually need more than $5,000,000 in life

Fuck off poorfag

It not easy to launder blood money.

Tony had:
>panic attacks
>depression (the one that merits the use of drugs to overcome)
>was in constant worry over losing it all, spending time in prison or even losing his life
It doesn't seem like he enjoyed it much. I'd say it'd be worth it he made Pablo Escobar amount of money, but it wasn't even close. The only one who had a good time in that family was his wife

He could have made a lot more money if he didn't spend like a drunken sailor
How much money did he lose just gambling? Probably in the neighborhood of a few million. If he had just had the insight to put some money in the market like Carmela said then he could have had a good nest egg.

Yea, like that money in that decompression chamber in the Bond movie License to Kill. Must’ve taken quite a while to clean up all that blood.

>We never saw more than 50-60 grand in cash and his house, while nice, is in New Jersey suburbs

I used to live in that Morristown area, that house is 2-3 million dollars.

LARP

Yeah and it's the majority of his assets. He probably was worth under $4 mil. All those businesses we see are just rackets and probably mob owned, they're not just his

its more like 10,000,000 dollars in todays money

Tony never had to bother with (((education))) or sucking up to some boomer and begging for a job.
He lived life to the fullest and never had to get up early like some retarded pajeet wagecuck.
His Kids grew up in a nice neighbourhood and they had everything, his family lived a good life.

On top of that he gets respect from everyone, and I‘m talking about REAL respect here.

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Dr. Melfi didn't respect him in the end.

Fear =/= respect

>Tony never had to bother with (((education)))
i.e. he was dumb
>sucking up to some boomer and begging for a job
he wouldn't have had to. he's a dominant and intelligent guy, he could've been the boss of a legit company.
>He lived life to the fullest and never had to get up early like some retarded pajeet wagecuck
I'd rather get up early than live in constant fear of getting shot or arrested. He had horrible panic attacks like a fucking pussy and was depressed like a fucking zoomer
>His Kids grew up in a nice neighbourhood and they had everything, his family lived a good life
They lived in Jersey, lol. His only son became a depressed loser like his father
>On top of that he gets respect from everyone, and I‘m talking about REAL respect here
fear=/=respect. He was insecure and had to show his dominance over everybody because he was a pussy

>he was dumb
>he was a dominant and intelligent guy

No user I think you were the dumb one

he had street smarts but he didn't have a proper education which makes him ignorant as fuck i.e. DUMB

Vito was making 3 million a year in construction alone, 10% of that goes to Tony - that's 300k being kicked up from just ONE earner.

Also keep in mind this was the 90s/early 2000s, 5 million dollars was serious money back then (and even today 5 million is more than 99.8% of people on this board will ever see).

Yeah no shit, it's really hammered home by AJ's rich girlfriend in s4. Even the guy at the top of the pecking order that benefits the most from all the violence is only at the high end of upper middle class. Everyone under him lives pretty poorly with the exception of Sil who operates an actual successful business. I mean it's one of the central themes of the show, the mafia just isn't worth it in modern day where legitimate jobs pay way better and there's much more opportunity

>Vito was making 3 million a year in construction alone
that sounds too much. are you sure?

You guys have to remember that he never had the makings of a varsity athlete.

Paulie was paying like 6 grand a month for his mom's nursing home, he himself was a miser with no wife or kids so he didn't have a huge house or anything like that. Christopher was running that boiler room scam no doubt making a lot of money off of that. Junior probably spent high six figs if not millions fighting his RICO charge.

Except no one would be interested in an indian programmer television show you sperg.

Mad incel

He was both

>If he had just had the insight to put some money in the market like Carmela said then he could have had a good nest egg.
Then the FBI would have taken everything when he was arrested because the investments were made with stolen money. Same thing happened to Junior if I recall.

>That pajeet programmer lives comfortably and stress free
You mean aside from his daily commute and the 60 hours a week he has to spend at his cuck job?

Fer a little bit a money.

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Either way that could buy an awful lot of GABAGOOL

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>U$ 1,00 was worth the same in the 90's as it is today
retard

>i.e. he was dumb
while everyone else got shot or ended in prison he remained long enough in the game to end up as the skipper. he was a smart guy and didn't need Jewish education.

>he wouldn't have had to. he's a dominant and intelligent guy, he could've been the boss of a legit company.
why bother running some pizza shop when you can be the boss of a crime family?

>I'd rather get up early than live in constant fear of getting shot or arrested.
>I'd
because YOU are a pussy, you are afraid of murder and crime. Tony wasn't, he whacked a lot of people and he had massive Balls to take what he saw belonging to him.

>He had horrible panic attacks like a fucking pussy and was depressed like a fucking zoomer
it was a genetic thing, the show explains this and the prozac and other drugs fucked him up.

>They lived in Jersey
so what? he lived in a big mansion, had a pool, newest cars, good suits. he lived like a King.

>His only son became a depressed loser like his father
and his daughter went to a expensive University and studied successfully there.

>fear=/=respect
He was respected, nobody would dare talk shit to him, nobody (besides other mobster) would try to fight him or challenge him.
He was true alpha and he was the guy giving the orders, he could easily order Furio to go to your place and break your legs.

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This is not how smart works. You can study dance therapy for year and still step out just as ignorant.

bribes, lawyers, interest payments... no capital investments to plant with depreciation schedules, no access to institutional credit markets. 100% tribal institutional knowledge base, a never-ending HR nightmare.

there's a reason all of the mafia kids get law degrees now. it's an obsolete business model. what do they have left? the labor unions? even sports betting is legal now, nevermind the old rackets like booze, or the lottery, or sub-prime lending. ubiquitous cameras limit shakedowns and weed is just about legal.

tony is in buggy-whip business and he knows it. i think it's the first thing he even says to melfi. only sociopaths would have any reason to try and join a family.

>wanting to be a googler nerd

1997* was the pilot
series didn't launch until 1999
He didn't have a gambling problem or his entire worth stated until season 6 in 2005.

The only thing left is hard drugs like coke and heroin as well as prostitution.

precisely. hard drugs and whores: formally forbidden businesses to the mob (although individual guys allegedly dabbled from time to time. hey, you gotta make your monthly nut, right?).

it's funny how the state is taking over mafia areas of business.

I'm pretty sure most people don't have such a negative view on their job. there are just way too many shallow people in the world for that to be true

>it's funny how the state is taking over mafia areas of business.
yeah. you could say you are ruled by (((official criminals))) now

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sopranos meets real life. here's the esplanade project and it's everything you'd expect.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Dream_Meadowlands

Retards on Yea Forums compares their lack of achiements in life to the ones of a fictional head of lowlife mobsters.

>he murdered and crippled people for literally pennies. he was a lowlife.

Are you an actual brainlet or something? That's the entire point of chis character.

Congrats, you get the whole point of the show and why you're not supposed to like Tony. This is literally the point of The Test Dream.

Tony was mostly stress free and spend the day doing whatever he wants, this guy lived truly in the moment.

He never had the makings of a varsity athlete.

we must have watched different shows.
just because tony doesn't have to pretend to be busy doesn't mean shit.

Monsters and gangsters are the real alpha males

Tony isn't a badass

He's an asshole

big difference

>Tony isn't a badass
but he is

That's the point you maroon

Traffick and enslave women. Very ethical

>$5 mil off Bitcoin

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t. incel

t. fanook

the show has a heavy pall of fatalism hanging over its entirety and one of the biggest themes is how the past always infringes on the present.

He told Coach Mullinaro in The Test Dream that his house is worth $1.2MM

I can appreciate his balls but he really isn't a badass. He's portrayed as utterly miserable and insecure. Throughout the whole show he has this need to put other people down to lift himself up because he feels threatened

>He could've easily been a boss of a company and made more money than he did as a mobster
You don't know that for certain. He could have easily ended up cutting meats in the back of some butcher shop. Tony said many times that he was born into his lifestyle.

Not like he had much of an education or expertise to do anything else, he didn't have the makings of a varsity athlete after all.

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You act like a head programmer for Google is a run of the mill standard job

>Throughout the whole show he has this need to put other people down to lift himself up because he feels threatened
thats part of his job.

I loved how they always showed Tony waking up in the afternoon. Total badass.

I made $50 million off of bitcoin.
I'm a made man now, eating gabagol of a whoares belly.

t. /biz/

meanwhile you have to drag your cuckold ass at 6AM in the morning to your job or else you are fired.

Because he worked late into the night

CARMELLA COULD YOU PLEASE SHUT THE DOOOOOOOOOOR

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One could say a glorified crew

The esplanade alone was probably worth more than that

He does it to everyone though. Family, friends, strangers.

In the show he smashed some hotties. In reality even the richest most powerful boomers can only get Stormy Daniels tier pussy. Chapo had millions upon millions and held the power of life and death over thousands. His mistress is pic related.

It's hilarious during that one episode when a bunch of icelandic stewardesses show up at their hotel room. Yeah, a bunch of hot young european girls in new york city are going to spend the evening getting railed by some fat bald senior aged grease balls and not at some trendy nightclub sucking rapper dick and fucking male models.

Sopranos is pure boomer dad wishfullment. I want a real mobster show about how pathetic it is to be one.

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What’s French for “I grew up without a mother?”

What the fuck is the point of this thread?
Did OP think Tony Sopranos was a real person?

Paulie fucked the old Puerto Rican single mother nurse from Scrubs

>comfortably and stress free

J'ai grandi sans mère

Can’t really include the depression, that can happen to anyone no matter what their job is.

Wrong. It’s “Sacre bleu! Where es mi mama?!”

His great grandfather was a mulecart driver and had panic attacks.

He wasn’t born into that life though. He did his best the way that he knew how.

Yeah but Paulie was a cheap fuck. He wouldn't date a goomar who expected anything more than a box of cornflakes

Try again bud. Decade long NEET here. I do absolutely nothing all day but play vidya, watch kinos and jerk off.

>he coulda used his smarts to be anything else in life
This is the most basic bitch, retarded take I've ever heard about this show. Like no shit?

Powerful

"Under 5 million" is still enough money to bring up multiple kids in a more comfortable and affluent environment than any of your ancestors got to enjoy. The difference between 5 million and 5 billion is essentially meaningless, and people who believe otherwise are standing in the way of their own happiness

He could’ve become a coach and led young men on the field of sport.

Outta your fucking mind if you think pajeet is stress free. 60-80 hours of high stress weekly, one allowance of vacation time a year if that. Tony worked maybe 20-30 hours if that?

bergen county isnt near morristown

Exactly. His whole life is like Hell. There can be lots of sensory pleasures and cash always at hand, but the stress is killer and there’s no happy ending possible.

20 years ago though.

ITS FUCKIN STARTING

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he mentioned that he made more money than junior ever did and said he was a geezer in moldy sweaters or something.

HEY TONE

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Pajeet doesn't have to worry about being killed by rivals or busted by the FBI and spending life in prison. Pajeet also doesn't have to kill his coworkers and friends.Like yeah working 60-80 hours a week is stressful but it's totally different than living with complete disaster just over the horizon

then what the fuck is your problem?
Tone is the true NEET chad.

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money + power > money

i dont envy his life however. hell he even admits occasionally he wished he had a more simple life

>what's the point of being Brad Pitt when you could be Bill Gates
yeah great thread

Anyone else find it interesting how Tony and his crew were always talking about "earnin'" but there was very little if any actual screentime showing or talking about business? Sure, there'd be the occasional stuff like Pie-Oh-My here or Feech's truck scheme there, but in general they just brushed past everything as "earnin" and cash envelopes.

Not sure if that's close to reality, but it made it really easy to forget that they were even in a mob at all, rather than a bunch of old guineas with money who just sit around shitposting and stirring drama all day, like Seinfeld.

>t. paulie

...the decline of the mafia as an allegory for the decline of America is a central theme of the show. Tony spends half the show lamenting the fall in values/standards in his organization, in his family, in society at large. The Italian-American mafia of The Sopranos is an organization in terminal decline - its best days are long since gone. If he's not obscenely rich it's because the Italian-American mafia has largely been sidelined in the modern world of organized crime.

His power is in ability to command armies of goons and threaten public officials. Money isn't everything. He gets by quite well.

Because Tony and his crew were the "managers". Low level shits like Chrissy used to be, or Brendan, or Sean Gismonte, those are the ones getting into shit.

Like in the first season, remember all the trucks Chrissy knocked off? Suits and tvs and all kinds of shit. Earnin.

why do idiots think Tony would've voted for Trump? Do they forget about the unions?

>fear=/=respect. He was insecure and had to show his dominance over everybody because he was a pussy
Silvio would beg to differ. Fear = Respect. Better that they fear him then openly hate him like that old piece of shit Feech.

>fear=/=respect. He was insecure and had to show his dominance over everybody because he was a pussy

He had to show his dominance because otherwise one of them would fucking kill him and take over.

> NEET
He leaves for work in the morning, comes home at night, has business meetings, drives all over town checking up on things, and gets paid. How is that NEET? Black market is still a market.

why didn't she fuck him?

Not in Employment, Education or Training.
He is in none of those things.

He works in waste management you fuck. The fuck you think he does all day? Walk around with his dick in his hand? Get the fuck outta here! Tony's a respectable hardworking man!

This is why he gets sad at the end of Long Term Parking when Carmela mentions how much the land costs

sneed

>$5 million
Probably more than that. He had a yacht, a vacation home, a beach house and the Zestimate for his main pad is $1.5 million. He had offshore accounts.

he doesn't work there, these "jobs" dont really exist, they only exist on paper.

Self-employed crime boss is a job. If you are making money that you earn, you are employed. If you are a mooch, you are NEET.

He has a fucking office and owns and manages several legitimate establishments. Sure he muscled in on some of these like he did T-1000, but it doesn't change the fact that he's running a business empire.

he is self employed NEET masterrace

Front for his actual job. He would be unemployed if he put "illegal enterprise entrepreneur" on his tax return.

So are people who just sit back and buy and sell stocks like Warren Buffet NEET too? Do they actually work?

no they have people that work for them

you're retarded

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He has to worry about being born Indian aka losing life

I believe some or the other gangsters said he probably had around 600k, not including real estate assets.

So cash poor.

Youre right and these Tony worshipping NEETs missed the point of the show

Tony makes his own decisions you know he doesnt actually have no control over whether or not he assaults someone

Tony and all the other mob guys were street smart but basically about as book-dumb as you can get and could barely write a sentence let alone get any kind of good job. The shit they did allowed them to live like doctors or lawyers without any secondary education, even with all the risk involved it was the best they could hope for.

GET THE FUCK BACK IN YOUR FUCKIN HOLE!

y-you're doing a great job

yeah my favorite thing about the show was how it portrayed all these guys as borderline retarded psychopaths

The point is that Tony was born and groomed into that kind of lifestyle.
His generation/his kids is the breaking point of the mob. He doesn't want his kids doing what he had to do and they don't really have to. The times have changed.

This is also why there's a constant tension between him and Christopher, who is basically his "son" but one that is fully immersed in the mobster lifestyle to the point of flaunting it constantly.
Tony doesn't want his kids to be like that and in the end it culminates with him literally killing Christopher when enough is enough.

>in the end it culminates with him literally killing Christopher when enough is enough.
C'mon man, I still haven't seen The Sopranos.

calm down mate, you are getting way to angry. god be with you

thread is full of low test pests desu

The Wire actually does this bit better, with Stringer's whole arc.

>It's pretty clear that his net worth was probably under $5 million, right?
not sure where you got that figure

Tony doesn't want AJ in the business because he knows he's weak. He blamed himself for it, but also Carmela for not letting him beat some balls into him. He killed Chrissy for the same reason. Weakness, the drugs which he continually failed to kick, even to the point of potentially killing his own infant. If he got picked up on drug charges, he'd flip in a second, just like Adriana did. Killing him was a business decision. It was cold, dispassionate.

well him and his goons p regularly get wound up over figures my brother makes with a bachelors in christmas bonuses

>what a nerdy Indian programmer working for Google makes in like 5 years

are you really this retarded?

The day you nerds stop soprano posting in earnest I will leave this fucking pedo website

Keep it up lads love you guys to death

why is this scene memed so much

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unfortunately sopranos and twin peaks are eternal so you're stuck here forever

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>he literally killed people who owed him like 5 grand or something

>its okay when hood niggers rob and kill you for 20$

It's about respect. The money is secondary.

Your brother wouldn't say a fucking word if his bosses withheld his bonus. He's smile and kiss their asses.

that's a giant fucking strawman

I may not actually want off this ride

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Nursing home was $8k per month, expensive as fuck. Junior spend over $1mil fighting the rico charge, too. Not to mention all the medical bills from just beating cancer.

AJ's girlfriend was obscenely rich. Tony was like the lowest upper class (if that exists) but not upper middle class. Upper middle class people make $80,000-$100,000 a year. Tony was making $500k to a mil at least. AJ's girlfriend dad must have had over $20 mil saved from generations of wealth. They had a gatehouse, a massive property, and a security detail. It was like an LA mansion. The point of that episode is that even with all of Tony's schemes the ((("legal"))) way to get rich still has a higher ceiling. Tony was still richer than 99.9% of everyone else in the show.
it's not as simple as that. more like is the truth.

Tony's House was probably worth about $1.5million back then
Not to mention his multiple cars for him, wife, kids = $350k
He eventually got that massive fucking boat which was like $650k
He also had money hidden in the cayman islands or russia or whatever thru his jew lawyer. But when Tony died the jew lawyer probably just kept it all anyway since Carmela didn't know how to access it. But if he was a bro than Carmela would have been set for life (not at her current spending rate but as a normal person)

Tony also gambled like a fiend. And ate out for every fucking meal possible. Not to mention he gave random jewlery gifts to his wife of 50,000. And donated 50,000 to the school. Had to pay for his kids private schools and college too. And keep bitches widows on his payrolls

Tonys "declared" income was probably $120k or whatever from the sanitaton job that allowed him to keep his house and cars without too much suspicion

Then his illegal schemes gave him a shit ton of cash which he either blew thru, give to carmela as allowance, or saved with his jew lawyer

Might as well spend what you cant save

panic attacks were hereditary and he would have had them no matter what his job is. depression is the same thing. obviously killing people and being stressed makes these things worse.

50 years of getting all the pussy you want and infinite money is better than 75 years of being a responsible normie (at least this is the mafia rationale)

its not exactly even wrong. loads of normies would switch place with tony. tony would never want a normal life anyway.

>Hell, there are spergs on /biz/ who made more than $5 mil off Bitcoin
Kek, sure.

class != income
tony is working class as fuck

Who arranged for tony to be shot?

you can quibble over semantics if you want. he's a supervisor who rarely gets his hands dirty. he makes executive decisions and sets the pay of everyone around him. he has a shit ton of power, even over life and death of everyone in the organization. to say he's "working class" i mean whatever man, his experience being working class is still

>sleeping in until however late he wants
>spending on whatever he wants, whenever he wants
>all the cars, jewlery, women, food, clothing he desires
>eats at fancy places and has his underlings pay for him most of the time

He still is in the top 1% income bracket. His "work" is mostly making decisions. If you call a executive at a company working class, than fine. Point is he makes a shit ton of money and yes it is very risky but its worth it to be boss

We see him hand 200K to Slava like it was nothing. He just gives Irina 75K. He blows 100K on one football game.

Tony definitely had big bucks coming in. He just spent it as soon as he got it, as Hesh said.

>nerdy Indian programmer
>Google
>Bitcoin
>1999
are you this retarded on purpose??? what the fuck cunt, fuck off.

>Tony was just a piece of shit lowlife
yeah, and so fucking what?? it´s like you can´t enjoy shows if the main character dont make billions or what? what a stupid argument

yes hello there i just wanted you to know that i was thoroughly enjoying this thread until i read your comment and now am leaving thanks to you i will probsss never frequent another sopranos thread again so i hope you can live with that you coward.

Carmela stole 40 grand out of the duck feed sack. There was at least 200 thousand in there. He was regularly taking 300+ duffel bags to the Eastern European guy.

the fuck you mean they don't exist? You sayin there's something underhanded going on? I'm not going to let you talk about my man T like that you prick. He's a hard working man who provides for his family.

for you goy

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This. They're all making 100k now in a place where a 1 bed apartment costs 1.2 million. Everybody got rich off of stock, not salary.

Your brother has a bachelors degree in 'christmas bonuses'? That sounds about as terrible as underwater basket weaving...

Johnny Sack was only worth 5 mil in total assets
Tony was probably at 3-4 mil

>Why wasn't an out of touch boomer making $5m off bitcoin 20 years ago lol

Are people still pushing the (((bitcoin))) (((meme)))?

See, this is why sopranos will always be better than like breaking bad. Because it had layers. Add in the dream sequences, the psychology, but bb was just a straight narrative with no subtext.

>Bergen County
His house is in North Caldwell, which is in Essex County, not Bergen.
t. Bergen County resident

But Twin Peaks is trash for more than half of its episodes.

Good companion movie to watch after you're done with Sopranos, actually.

Crypto in general, yes. Bitcoin specifically, not so much.

If I hadn't been a pussy and bought in in like 2012 or whatever after the first spike to $1200 when it crashed to $30, and had sold when it was at $19,000, I would have made 6 million bucks supposedly. I would have definitely cashed out well before that and idk how you would actually acquire 6 million dollars here but thats the numbers