>real ship built
>real sets
>CGI used for compositing mainly
>actually flooded sets for realism
the only thing that I never could believe was the coldness of the water. yes its true all the flood scenes had 70 degree water but it never felt like these characters were shivering to the bone with soaking wet clothes until the final scene where they;re just floating around
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James Cameron is an awful director
Cameron himself was holding the camera in this scene. The absolute madman.
The only thing that I never could believe was that this shot actually made it in the film
what were they supposed to do, look down the whole time?
There should have been more focus on the rats aboard the ship, like did any of them get saved? Did they board the life rafts too? How did they even get tickets in the first place?
Looked fine on VHS and shitty TVs
>me waiting for this fucking film to end
>movie where the main point is that the freezing water kills everyone in april in the middle of the atlantic at night
>everyone acts like they're wading through swimming pools having a good time instead of freezing cold
>never seen titanic
>avatar is overrated
>I refuse to watch A:BA
>that final T I T A N I C receding into the darkness forever behind jack and rose
amazing shot
>real ship built
>real sets
>CGI used for compositing mainly
>actually flooded sets for realism
All wasted on a crappy love story.
it was the only way to get retards to see it
>All wasted on a crappy love story.
You're right, there should have just been a camera man walking around the ship and randomly filming the actors based on real life characters conversations with each other for a few seconds at time before walking away to another part of the ship. This goes on for 3 hours until the credits roll.
James Cameron is an incredible director. Anyone who says he's awful is a retard.
He redeemed himself with Alita.
Romeo and Juliet on Titanic, what's not love?
I know, Avatar and Piranha II are such great movies. Not to mention he's completely sold out with like a dozen avatar sequels.
No. Just no. He maybe doesn't nail every movie but when he's good he's the best.
Do I need to remind you of Terminator and Aliens?
Cos obviously the only 2 options are love story or no story. Stupid cunt.
>Do I need to remind you of Terminator and Aliens?
Not even that great. Also both of them are from the mid-80s. It's pretty weak to defend a director by talking about movies they made nearly three decades ago.
I had an idea for a Lego short movie.
>ship sinking like this everyone hanging on for dear life clicked with their Lego claws
>few guys falling
>one smug Lego guy walks into frame walking straight up the boat clicking his Lego feet into the floors studs
Funny or dumb?
And how, incel, how would you create drama and captivate the audience into caring about the characters before they hit the iceberg?
>that one dude sitting in a chair watching everyone running by
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>Not even that great.
Fuck you. They are that great and you fucking know it.
Based Elephant.
One of the Irish fellas has to protect his young daughter while the ship is going down, they get separated when he's caught stealing to feed them both.
Jack and Friend have to risk there lives to steal some diamond so they can pay off gambling debts while the ship sinks around them
Several people and a priest end up trapped in the bowels of the Titanic, some must sacrifice themselves for the greater good to help the other make it to the rescue boats.
Or literally any of the other billion stories you could tell in that setting.
>When you can't form an argument but still want to feel like you're participating.
mane cameron is quite a sadist
I thought that water in the sinking scene looked fake. Something broke the ilusion and I could see non-freezing cold water on sound stage. But that's a detail still it's at least second best Titanic movie.
So the movie starts off with the ship already sinking? Audience sits down, title comes up, and the ship is already sinking? Pretty daring, user, though I doubt the audience would care about any of the characters mere minutes before they're being washed away.
I’d shoot the whole movie as the plane scene with Bane crashing the ship with no survivors haha
haha dude lol
Maybe you're just being deliberately retarded for comic effect but just in case I'll clarify my point.
There's no need for the B-plot to be a love story, the main plot is about the boat sinking, the B-plot is about Jack and Rose falling in love.
But there's no NEED for it to be a love story, the sinking ship is a framing device for a character drama and that drama could be any one of a thousand stories. The choice is not between a love story and no story as you implied, we could have got a much more engaging story then the one we did.
I actually really like Titanic, and I don't even mind Jack and Rose as characters but their romance is cheesy as hell, overly drawn out and often very cringe worthy. It's really the only part of the film that's a let down.
A better B-plot would have raised this movie up significantly, the ideas I tossed out are literally all from better movies that were very engaging despite not being specifically romantic.
So again, the romance plot was not a great choice in my opinion, and not very well handled, it the movie could have been improved by having a better plot.
Does that all make sense little one?
Yes, you've made it clear you hate the love story, indeed, you've failed to offer any kind of alternative and also failed to realize that Jack and Rose is actually the main plot of the movie, the titanic sinking is something that happens to them.
You need to ask yourself what the purpose of Jack and Rose is in the first place, they're a device to get the audience to like and care about the real life characters aboard the ship that they meet, and both Jack (male) and Rose (female) also act as self inserts for the audience, when they board the ship, so do we. As they discover the grandeur of the Titanic, so do we. This is called writing, this is what separates a film from a documentary. Cameron could have easily dismissed any predisposed character drama before the sinking but it wouldn't have had nearly the effect on the audience, as then they would merely be watching the boat sink, they would not feel any connection to actually being there or feeling for the characters.
You wanted to watch the titanic sink.
Others, you know writers, filmmakers, producers, wanted a reason for the audience to be captivated and feel like they were aboard the boat, to have an emotional investment in the movie.
Clearly, you are not a writer.
checked and rekt
What happens when you're on the deck of the ship and it sinks?
Do you get pulled under into the void?
That shit terrifies me.
Also, studios need a hook to market the film. Cameron showed them a picture like this and said "Romeo and Juliet there". That was his pitch and Fox liked it.
I also remember the story about Cameron pitching his Alien sequel. He wrote Alien on the board, then added "s" at the end so that it read Aliens, then drew two lines on the "s" so that it read Alien$
Same joke as with most parodies of Spider-man - could be funny, but has been done before and normies could complain because Titanic was also a real world thing.
So you're saying that nothing, literally no other story, could be told in that setting other than a cringe worthy romance?
I bet you think you're a real writer right?
I agree. All of the best Titanic adaptations have talking rats.
>then drew two lines on the "s" so that it read Alien$
Oh my god, is this real. That is hilarious
> "There was no pushing and shoving," says David Savage, an economist at Queensland University in Australia who has studied testimony from the survivors. It was "very, very orderly behavior."
Movie is real time, the ship is sinking but nobody knows. The actual ship took 2 hours and 40 minutes to sink so lets play with that and have it as the actual runtime of the movie.
We follow a selection of characters as they realise the ship is sinking, some are in denial, some encounter flooding sooner than others, some die off while others on higher floors are still playing card games and drinking.
The idea is that the ship was believed to be unsinkable. Everyone onboard is in varying stages of denial about the ship - to the extent where they do not panic, instead they think it will still stay afloat.
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>On the face of it, Alien wasn't a huge financial success, which is rather bizarre considering that it actually grossed at least $104.9 million at the box office from just an $11 million budget. According to 20th Century Fox, though, because of the amount they spent on advertising, distribution fees and various other costs, they actually only made a minimal profit on it. So when James Cameron decided to pitch a sequel to the blockbuster, it was always likely that the studio would turn it down. However, The Terminator director was able to pitch Aliens in such an original and frankly hysterical fashion that they immediately green-lit it.
>According to Go Into The Story, Gordon Carroll, who worked as an executive producer on Aliens, recalled James Cameron's unique pitch for the blockbuster for Linda Obst's book Hello, He Lied. At this point in his career, James Cameron was actually on a bit of a high, having just achieved fame and success with 1984's The Terminator. So when he walked into his meeting to direct Aliens, he was so confident that his pitch would be accepted he acted like a total rock star.
>Cameron was young. He had just directed Terminator. Cameron had called a meeting to discuss his "next project." Everyone knew Cameron had written a treatment for Alien 2 that nobody would touch because Alien was not a massive financial success. Alien 2 was not on the table. We expected a professional pitch from Cameron, an outline and a treatment of what he had in mind with a cursory budget; perhaps a couple assistants to run a slide show. Instead Cameron walked in the room without so much as a piece of paper. He went to the chalk board in the room and simply wrote the word ALIEN. Then he added an 'S' to make ALIENS. Dramatically, he drew two vertical lines through the 'S', ALIEN$. He turned around and grinned. We green-lit the project that day for $18 million.
I certainly wouldn't have the audacity to drown sixty Irishmen for authenticity's sake, but I can respect his attention to detail. Bravo Cameron.
Wouldn't have made billions and wouldn't have gotten 11 Oscars
Oh my god, I can't believe you're explaining the weak ass plot like it takes a real writer to understand it. You're obviously overly obsessed with this film if you can't see it's flaws.
You seem determined to push this argument that you couldn't remove the romance and replace it with something better, something equally engaging and engrossing, and possibly better written. Not every movie is a romance, you do understand that other kinds of stories exist right? Other kinds of stories that can affect an audience and make them feel something.
You're argument is dumb, you literally don't seem to understand what you're arguing against.
It gained that for the music and practical effects rather than the story, the release date, lack of competition and the multiple re-releases meant this movie was in cinemas for almost a year and a half.
And the fact that teenage girls went to see it multiple times. Because of the love story and DiCaprio. I know because the older sisters of me and my friends loved the film and many of them saw it +10 times in theaters.
>You're argument
>You're
Spotted the writer who would have improved the script
Oh god, the grammar nazi argument.
Just another bullshit excuse for NOT HAVING A POINT!
They don't call him James Camera for nothing
>>actually flooded sets for realism
How else were they going to film something like that in 1999?
>Other kinds of stories that can affect an audience and make them feel something
no
So your argument is that because Gone with the wind exists, no film that isn't like it could be good.
Nice logic there chum.
How dare he mansplain to rose like that?
Sure wish I could care about this character, too bad he didn't put his penis in anyone.
not him but the story should of been told from the captain's point of view
>dies and meets up with the chad she fucked for 3 days
>not her husband who she lived with and cared for over the course of her life
women are scum
>should of
LOL
>told from the captain's point of view
Nice TV movie you have there
Why don't you do it?
I'm sure I'm supposed to be feeling something in this movie. Oh well, maybe the main character will have sex with someone and it'll become clear.
God damn, will these 2 just fuck already so my feelings make sense.
It doesn't make sense, nobody is in love, where are all the billions of dollars coming from?
I somehow imagine his Best Boy standing next to the directors chair with the camera, ready to hand it to Jim the instant he arises, as a squire would give a sword to a knight.
I may have had that complaint but there's literally a full-length action disaster movie included too
My argument is that if you want to be the highest grossest movie ever you need some epic fucking romance and a hottie male lead so that women would return to the cinema over and over again. Retards.
I thought the best boy helps the Key grip
>the #1 movie of all time that changed cinema forever and a movie he got fired off after a week
Sure is ribbit
>grossest movie ever
>the #1 movie of all time
Of course box office numbers are the only thing that matter to you retards
>changed cinema forever
just laughable
tbf the ending would have been better if they all just gangraped that sniper for 40 minutes.
>There should have been more focus on the rats aboard the ship
One of the main characters was Irish, what else do you want?
Top grossing movies of all time, only 1 entirely sold on romance. It's by far the biggest piece of shit on the list.
>top 10 list is dominated by capeshit
>Jurassic World, Harry Potter and Nu-Wars are on it
>implying Titanic is any worse than those
Yeah, that list makes me very sad too. Still the point here is that romance != bank necessarily. Capes and burly dudes does. Make of that what you will.
The main points here are that:
1) Romance plots do not equal free money
2) Movies without romance plots can be very engaging, emotional and moving.
>a bunch of sequels of established IPs
wow great comparison bud. Titanic was a new IP with no preexisting fanbase aside from nautical enthusiats. the love story was absolutely critical
Try again.
In case you can't read 3/10 are romantic. The rest not so much.
And even though they are the top 3, gone with the wind has had a lot of time to get those figures up and, god, please defend Avatar for me. The Romance in that movie was totally critical right? That movie totally deserves the number 2 spot right?
>yet another movie about women abandoning a stable relationship for Chad
Rose should have drowned
>Others, you know writers, filmmakers, producers, wanted a reason for the audience to be captivated and feel like they were aboard the boat, to have an emotional investment in the movie.
This identification meme is such a fucking joke. The biggest sign of a pleb is one who can't get past a need to relate to characters
What is wrong with this exactly?
>He went to the chalk board in the room and simply wrote the word ALIEN. Then he added an 'S' to make ALIENS. Dramatically, he drew two vertical lines through the 'S', ALIEN$. He turned around and grinned. We green-lit the project that day for $18 million.
Holy fucking god what a madman.
But what is real is that Cameron made the actors work such long days in their wetsuits for their scenes that many of them just pissed in the suits instead of getting up to go to the bathroom and facing the Wrath of Cam
>In case you can't read 3/10 are romantic. The rest not so much.
Autism can't detect romance, sad...
Don't forget the upcoming all-female Terminator debacle.
>JP:FK not the worst in that image
Imagine having such shit taste
>$2.1b box
Maybe, please explain the romance in The Ten Commandments, E.T and Jaws. I guess I'm just too autistic to notice it.
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What happens if we put a romantic plot in Lawrence of Arabia?
Oh no, oh god no.
He's crying because he doesn't have a girlfriend.
Based idea user, I laughed.
God that's so bad.
They could've composited the faces better. Even for 1997 that sucked.
She couldn't run down a fucking corridor?
All the plebs butthurt about romance in a period drama movie holy fuck
for 97 this is quite good, it's only now we notice it on big displays and high resolution screens
Lawrence himself sent his superiors stories of getting buttfucked by a turk. It never actually happened. What a weird guy
that shot awakened a deep fear in me.
I wish cgi was just used to supplement, not completely replace real sets
>The newness of the ship meant every prop had to be made from scratch. Fox acquired 40 acres of waterfront south of Playas de Rosarito in Mexico, and began building a new studio on May 31, 1996. A horizon tank of seventeen million gallons was used for scenes where Cameron had 47 Irish imigrants drowned for realism, 270 degrees of ocean view was provided to catch their last spluttering breaths under the watchful eye of multiple Panavision Panaflex Gold II Cameras.
I don't get their point either
>Panavision Panaflex Gold II Cameras
top choice
CGI faces
>where are all the billions of dollars coming from?
Manchildren.