What went wrong?

Not a whole lot but Anakin should have been a bit older and Darth Maul should have been in it more

Overall 9/10

>Duel choreography was flashy but lacked emotion.
>Jar jar.
>Updated technology aesthetic over continuity (it's not a reboot like BSG, it's a prequel like Prometheus or discovery)
>Script
Has too much cringe. A good doctor would have dialed it up to 11.
Otherwise it's alright.

Who would you have cast as Anakin?

they fucked up with Jar Jar. And with the gungans as a whole towards the end of the movie. Especially the part where they make Jar Jar a general and he's stumbling over the battlefield but still somehow accidentally neutralizing enemy tanks and shit.
Also the whole scene where anikan "accidently" steals the fighter and blows up the trade federation's satelite is fucking stupid
Also the part where they're negotiating for anikan's mom and watto says no so they're just like "lol, ok that cool."
Also midiclorians are stupid
besides that, its actually a really good star wars movie. George Lucas dared to be different in a multi-billion dollar franchise. you need to appreciate that. it would never happen today. podracing was new and exciting and was actually fucking based. the fight choreography was cool with the Maul's double lightsaber and the music is obviously fantastic.

Ray Romano

I actually agree with Lucas' decision to give the prequels better technology. It makes sense that the technology degraded after the Republic fell.

This is one of the dumbest posts I've read in weeks. Well done.

Strange choice but could work.

1) The Qui Gon character, as cool as he was, was unnecessary. Obi Wan Always referred to Yoda as his master in the original trilogy.
2) We didn't need to see Anakin as a child. He and Obi Wan should have appeared as our primary protagonists as the ages they were in Episode II.
3) Instead of creating the new planet of Naboo, the story should have been placed on Alderaan.
4) Intergalactic NAFTA was a weird catalyst for the story to begin. A better plot would have been the proper succession to the throne of Alderaan.
5) Instead of Queen of the Naboo, Padme should have been the younger sister of the rightful claimant to the throne.

based self referential poster

Feel free to explain how instead of being an idiot.

- Jar Jar
- toilet humor
- midichlorians
That's it, the movie is a solid 9/10 otherwise.

There a video of lucas during the auditions for anakin in ep1. They have it down to 3 kids left and jake is by far the worst of the 3, but lucas picks him and confidently states he perfect or something. Dunno if an another one of the kids would have saved the film or fixed kid anakin, but would have helped

It starred the black bastard hunter

Just rewatch the RedLetterMedia reviews.
You know you want to.
In fact, inspired by this post, that is exactly what I'm going to do.

I have transcended them

I remember reading somewhere that George Lucas wanted to do the exact opposite of what he did with A New Hope. That is to say, where he followed Joseph Campbell's Heroic Cycle model to a T with A New Hope, he wanted to remove the plot of The Phantom Menace as far as possible from it.
The end result was a movie with a plot that was psychologically dissonant.

Having intermediate symbionts doesn't detract from the force.

The Phantom Menace review just isn't the same without the Death Star Trench Run music in the finale, is this version still up anywhere?

>Hey guys we can't build fucken super star destroyers and death stars that can destroy entire planets because Sheev just dissolved the senate... which immediately ushered in a technological dark age.. for some reason.
Try think things through, my dear anonymous brother.

Nothing. I loved it. My only complaint is Anakin killing younglings in Episode 3.

>not this crude matter

It's a shame because there's nuggets of goodness in the movie. Well in the entire prequel trilogy. I don't look at them as vitriolic as most, I just look at them as a waste of opportunity. Where as the Disney movies are a giant fucking waste of time and money.

>Letting George direct when he clearly didn't have the passion for directing anymore.
>Not forcing George to revise his script until it was the pastiche of samurai films he was aiming for, instead of a tonal mess with a confused plot and weak villains that he shat out.
>Not forcing George to recast anakin and maul when it became obvious that neither of them could act well enough to carry the characters.
>Not slapping George around the head until he came to his senses about whether the film should be aimed at children or not.
>Not slapping george around the head until he agreed that ILM's CGI wasn't good enough and the SFX needed to be a blend of props and CGI to be decent and not age like milk.

It's been said a million times, but if the producers had taken George aside and talked him out of his mid life crisis and convinced him to get someone younger and more passionate to direct, then it would have been great.

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Hayden. Kid Anakin never should have existed. TPM should started him off as a Padawan. Yeah I think Qui Gon never should existed mainly because of this line "When I first knew him, your father was already a great pilot. But I was amazed how strongly the Force was with him. I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi. I thought that I could instruct him just as well as Yoda. I was wrong"

All they do is help people communicate with the force. Lucas conceived the idea of midichlorians early. What else could explain "The force is strong in my family"

>Hayden.
He was even more miscast than the kid. What they should have done is grabbed Leo like they were originally planning, since he would have aced both the romance scenes and the emotional depth of the character, instead of turning Anakin into a cringey, wooden emo gayboy that dried up pussies faster than the word 'moist'.

Nah he was good in RotS.

Phantom Menace and Revenge of The Sith were the best of the prequels

kys prequeldrone

The Empire did a lot of stupid crap to cut costs, like replacing Clone Troopers with Stormtroopers.

which is not saying much

The thing about Hayden is that Lucas went for a Hollywood boytoy in casting instead of a more serious actor.

Did you read your own post?

Leo probably would have been a lot more expensive to get. Hayden was a nobody which made it easier to get him to sign a multi-movie deal.

>horrible pacing issues
>dull performances
>awful effects
>terrible dialogue
>bad direction

The Clone Wars were over Sheev didn't need that shit anymore. If everything went according to plan he'd have the death star to keep everyone in line

No wait, its me. I was the retrard all along.

Should have been centered on Obi-Wan and Anakin. Then they could have skipped over all the immaculate conception bullshit and the creepy age difference between Anakin and Padme. Ol' George was letting his fetishes dictate his story, all he managed to not let loose into the fold was his miscegenation complex.

Wait, maul didn't have any acting?

This is really good. I like you.

95% of his acting was physical, and he did it well. the other user was mostly right, but also partly gay.

Well you don't need to talk to act but he's still wrong, Maul has a few scenes where he talks.
youtube.com/watch?v=gug3R-bKt9U

>tfw the prequels didn't start with Padawan Anakin.
RotS was the only time they actually interacted. AotC was just Anakin disobeying him because he thought Padme would like him more

When a hero is intangibly "special" it's a world of difference better than when a hero's quality can be measured by a blood sample. For anyone with an imagination that is. Midichlorians are terrible storytelling.

Nothing it was great.

That's why I said 95% instead of 100.

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You've wandered into a conversation like Donny from the Big Lebowski saying "I am the Walrus". We were discussing why user thought it made sense that the republic in the prequels had better tech than the empire in the OT.

Midichlorians just gauge potential

I was referring to the first guy in the chain when I said "he's still wrong."

I forgot to add midichlorians.

Nothing.
It wad and still is kino.

Did it have better tech?

Favorite Star Wars Films Ranked
1. The Phantom Menace
2. Empire Stikes Back
3. Attack Of The Clones
4. A New Hope
5. Revenge Of The Sith
6. Return Of The Jedi
7. The Force Awakens
8. The Last Jedi (shit garbage)

MCU fagboi

Midichlorians actually set the stage for anyone to be special without them having to be connected to the Skywalker line so it enabled characters like Rey to exist, due to Force affinity being a trait that can simply manifest in the body instead of having to be passed on. Casuals don't understand this.

zoomers were a mistake

What about Rogue One, Solo, and The Clone Wars?

>Midichlorians actually set the stage for anyone to be special without them having to be connected to the Skywalker line so it enabled characters like Rey to exist, due to Force affinity being a trait that can simply manifest in the body instead of having to be passed on. Casuals don't understand this.
Obi-Wan, Sheev, and Yoda are OT characters

No. Midichlorians transformed a mysterious and mystical cosmic binding...force...into a 9th grade science project.
>"Nucleus, mitochondria, lipids, and midichlorians...they're all right there in the cytoplasm of cells."

I wish Obi Wan was more relevant.

Maul's acting was almost all physical because they cast a stuntman as the character and then realized that he couldn't deliver lines.

Well having an assassin speak a lot would be kind of dumb.

If anything TPM in particular really jacked off Obi-Wan by making the brash young Padawan the one who is special enough to beat Maul.

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I'd have to rank those in their own order which would go as RO, TCW, and then Solo.

He was semi-acceptable in RotS, but there were half a dozen actors around at the time who could have done a better job. That doesn't excuse completely ruining AotC though.

Leo was both a heartthrob toyboy and a serious actor at the time, so he would have been an amazing investment and I seriously doubt that a franchise as big as Lucas film Star Wars couldn't have convinced him to sign on if they tried hard enough. Remember that before TPM, Star Wars was one of the most prestigious franchises of all time.

He wasn't originally supposed to be a silent assassin.

Leo's not tall enough to play Anakin. And I think it was a good idea to go with a relative unknown, but just not THAT particular unknown actor.

Well he's cooler that way.

>That doesn't excuse completely ruining AotC though.
AotC had a lot more problems than Hayden. It was just boring in general. Honestly I think George limiting himself to a prequel trilogy was dumb. He skipped the majority of Anakin's time as a Padawan and the clone wars.

Well Lucas would have delved even deeper into this aspect of it if he had made his own sequel trilogy so if you don't like that I suppose you should count your blessings that he wasn't the one to continue. Instead, you get a dead Han Solo. Enjoy!

++

Of the things that have been claimed as "what went wrong" in TPM, Maul was clearly one of the things that went right. If anything, killing him off too soon was the problem.

While it is fitting to see a Sith Lord going through apprentices like toilet paper it definitely would have been a better call not to have Count Dooku and instead to have Maul continue to play the subordinate role, at least for a time.

NOW THIS IS PODRACING!

Classic meme.

I actually rewatched it yesterday.

The good
>The music can only be described as phenomenal
>The podracing sequence still holds up very well
>They totally nailed the aesthetics of naboo and tatooine
>Set and costume design are great
The bad
>The kid that played Anakin can't act
>Much of the dialogue is awkward and painful to listen to
>Actors seemed to lack direction
>Some of the special effects don't hold up very well at all, especially anything involving the gungans
>Some pacing issues in the middle of the film

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I'm sure with enough camera tricks and suspended disbelief his height would have been nothing more than a nitpick on a cinema sins video. At any rate, it would have been better than being too wooden to play anakin, which is something that you clearly can't fix with SFX or camera tricks.

Who's a more memorable villain, Dooku or Maul?

Apart from some iffy action scenes and questionable R2D2 gimmicks, what is actually wrong with the non-anakin parts of AotC?
AotC only seems boring because you're constantly being ripped away from detective Obi won's mystery Maori makers for a flat, dead boring romance sub-plot that ruins the pacing.
If you took out all of the flubbed anakin/padme scenes between them going into hiding and them going to rescue obi won on genosis, the film is a tight, action packed thriller.

>Who's a more memorable villain, Dooku or Maul?
You seem to be expecting people to answer Dooku even though most people would obviously say Maul.

The STAR WARS universe itself has been suffering from a technological dark age for tens of thousands of years during the times of the PT and OT and EU.

Can you stfu? We're really only talking about films as released. We don't take pre-release half baked ideas for the OT, we don't take them for the PT.

Actually the scene from the workprint where Luke and Biggs meet on Tattooine is generally taken to be canon.

Boba Fett

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>They're nationalizing the commerce in the central systems
Yeah no that scene was bad.

Fpbp

>We don't take pre-release half baked ideas for the OT, we don't take them for the PT.
The fuck are you talking about retard? The entire reason that Maul's character was what he ended up in the final print is because the stuntman they hired couldn't deliver lines. He was originally supposed to have a much bigger part in the film, until the realized that it was going to be a total disaster to make him a proper antagonist instead of a silent goon who shows up now and then.

The fuck are you talking about retard?

Why is the empire bad for nationalizing commerce? Biggs and Luke were just bored farmers. All that scene does is make the empire look good

That's not even a line from the movie, you fucking Nazi.

It puts special effects before story, and the effects themselves have no charm. It all looks like a cutscene from a video game. In the original trilogy you can tell all the effects were actual props and miniatures meant to perform in front of a camera. In this, you know it was all done in a computer.

Is the Force a good thing?
>Leads to light vs dark or Jedi vs Sith
>every now and then one side beats the other, causing the remnants of the other side to eventually grow and launch a counterattack, leading to this same thing
>Jedi beat Sith
>Sith eventually return and beat Jedi
>Jedi eventually return and beat Sith
>this happened with Old Republic Era
>eventually Prequel Era with Sith killing Jedi and becoming the dominant power
>eventually OT where Luke is the last remaining Jedi and redeems Anakin to destroy the Sith, eventually making his own order
>EU had Sith return again over and over
>Disney had Luke’s order fall to more not!Sith and the FO take over, undoubtably leading to Rey being new Luke and the cycle continuing
>all while billions of innocents are caught up in wars they have no relevance to

This must be bait.
>midichlorians detract from the mythology of the force
This one especially

>9th grade science project.
>explicitly stated to be nothing more than a middleman between force user and force
>hey you have this thing in your head called a brain and it is what you use to think
>MUH IT DEMYSTIFYING THOUGHT

Why? What makes it bait? How is he wrong?

What's ironic about the whole Midichlorian thing is that it exposes so many memesters for what they are.
Anakin in TPM has more Midichlorians than Yoda, yet Yoda could still kick his ass, meaning that training and discipline is far more important.
Also the force was always biological, practically speaking. "The force is strong in my family."

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Everything. Midichlorians were just like described. They aren’t the force, they’re just a conduit.

If everyone could use the Force in the OT, why even give a shit about Luke? Luke's potential was there because he was Anakin's son. All midichlorians did was provide a way for the Jedi to identify who had enough of a connection with the Force to be trained as a Jedi. Everyone is connected to the Living Force, but only Force-sensitives are able to communicate with it directly.

Midichlorians don't break the setting the same way hyperspace kamikaze does.

The Force, or at least the ability to use it, is clearly hereditary in the original trilogy, which means yes, it is passed on by something in your blood. Whether that's DNA or midichlorians, it really doesn't fucking matter. It's a non-issue. All they did was name it. Who cares?

In a way, it actually makes the force non-biological. It says that the body has a communicator to this mystical force & the strength of communicators are passed down, instead of the mystical force being passed through family.

I just watched this movie again today. Yes it’s a rather mechanical and emotionless movie all things considered. I think that’s the main issue. Everyone is pretty monotone except the CGI alien characters. But I have a deep love for it that’s entirely subjective. It was my first new Star Wars movie. I was 4 at the time and I was obsessed with it. Had all kinds of merch and games from it. But one thing that I never picked up on until much later was Qui-Gon’s line, “your focus determines your reality”. I’ve been in some terrible situations with my health where I had no hope left and that’s helped me through it more times than I can count. So while the movie isn’t great as a movie, it has significance for me.

Lots.
>Midichlorians
Just about every time I see someone bring th3se up, they demonstrate that they don’t actually know what they do. What’s so demystifying about identifying which part or parts of your body handle a sense? Do having eyes see instead of sight without eyes somehow demystify sight? There’s these things in their body which connects them with the Force. They’re called midichlorians. Instead of using force powers anyway, it’s having these things which allow you to use them. It’s the difference between biting an apple and biting an apple with your teeth. One’s just more specific on how it works.
>lightsaber fights
While they do flips, most of the fight is feet on the ground. It’s downright invalid.
>no consequence
Darth Sidious ended up destroying the Jedi, Maul at minimum killed Qui Gonn.
>walk walk
Clearly no attention to the scenes.

The Force was always intended to have a material component, because Star Wars is all about hybridizing fantasy and scifi, and in scifi, "psychic powers" are material. It's also an implicit rejection of strict dualism, as part of the eastern aesthetics of the series: the material and the spiritual aren't the same but they echo each other. This is why Jedi meditate and practice complex techniques, why Sith inevitably ends up physically fucked up, and why he felt the need to include Midichlorians.

Reminder that Yoda straight up tells you in ESB that life created the Force, like some kind of galactic gestalt. It's not an external God

What’s funny is that midichlorians is no different an explaination than the magic in Harry Potter. It’s genetic and there are power levels to it but no one gives a fuck. Put it in Star Wars and everyone freaks out. Jedi/Sith and wizards are the same concept.

That’s also the crazy part. Functionally, it’s hardly any different from before with or without midichlorians. Still the same space monk/samurai magic. The true difference in the way the Force works is all of Qui-Gonn’s stuff about the Living Force and different parts of the Force. That’s different and nobody talks about it.

Just like what they did with Vader, except that Ray Park could deliver lines, they just didn't want to use his voice.

they should have make obi-wan main character, like luke was.

>George was 'steered' and didn't have absolute creative control for TESB and ROTJ

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90% sure Ray Park still played him in Solo where he had more lines than he ever had in TPM so in the end he had the last laugh.

Vader wears a mask, so they could dub him with JEJ and get away with it.

Until he took it off at the end of RotJ where he had to be Sebastian Stan.

Yes.

In the JW Rinzler "making of" books there are actual story meeting notes.

that was so random and so so epic eks dee.

Who is the Phantom Menace? Maul? Anakin?

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Sidious, you fool.

Sheev

Lucas was welcome to ideas and contributions, but he famously shut down all the ones he didn't like such as Han dying or Luke going to the Dark Side. Every movie after Star Wars '77 was bankrolled entirely by Lucas himself and he had final say over them. Even with Star Wars '77 when Fox was his business partner, they still pretty much let him do what he wanted within reason.

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but he isn't even on the poster

That's why he's the PHANTOM menace.

>Not forcing George to recast anakin and maul when it became obvious that neither of them could act well enough to carry the characters
Maul is probably the best thing about this movie.

>t. Iwas6whenTPMcameout.

That would be a weird username for someone to choose.

Lil purpdrank100%100%100% or something would probably be more realistic, sure.

Read the books. Read the notes. There are two men you can thank for keeping him from fucking shit up.

There's one woman: His wife.

I liked it

youtu.be/xBTEyf_J9os

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Plinkett

I've followed the making of these movies extensively for years. The idea that the OT was 'saved' from Lucas' ineptness by others is literally a meme now. Marcia is a brilliant editor, as is Hirsch. But there's a reason why Kasdan's new SW movies suck, and why Kurtz has sounded increasingly bitter in interviews since he and Lucas parted ways.

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That's why I said "steered" you fucking autist. They were George's movies, but he had some ideas that were truly awful, and they turned him back on track. It's the steering that was missing from the prequels.

Nothing

That's just one side of the Force. Midichlorians are essentially a meter for raw Force potential while also being the bridge between the Living Force and the Cosmic Force.

The prequels were great though

No, they were average. We've been talking about how they *could* have been great.

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CGI and god awful pacing

>Reminder that Yoda straight up tells you in ESB that life created the Force, like some kind of galactic gestalt. It's not an external God
This. The Force is a natural part of the galaxy's ecosystem.

What is a gestalt?

an organized whole that is perceived as more than the sum of its parts.

idris elba

Two words; special fucking editions.

And of course Kurtz sounds bitter, he's dead.

>Two words; special fucking editions.

It definitely marks the point where the fanbase turned against Lucas, even before the prequels. In fact, if not for the special editions, I think the reception to the prequels would have been warmer. But despite Lucas doing some dumb shit to the OT, they're still fantastic movies.

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>duel lacked emotion

Hi Jay.

>There are two men you can thank for keeping him from fucking shit up.

And who were these men?

Boring characters. There are other problems of course, but I think most people could have forgiven them if there were entertaining / likeable / dynamic characters to grow attached to.

>He's the key to all of this

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>I didn't like any of the characters.
>It's boring as fuck (I know some people love the podracing, but I've always found it to be boring as shit, even as a little kid)
>I disliked the 'lore' they introduced (everything about the Jedi, and the Force basically)

I know some people really love it though, so good for them. It just doesn't work for me.

Regardless of what you may have thought of Jar Jar, it was pretty cold of Disney to give him a scene in Aftermath that confirmed he was just a buffoon instead of leaving his role ambiguous.

This nigga knows what's up.

Are you me? Cause I had similar ideas.
1)Alderaan tries to leave the Republic, starting a secession crisis, prompting the dispatching of the ageing Republic Navy and a group of Jedi's, including Kenobi.
2) Anakin is a brilliant pilot in the Republic Navy. He is a likeable, commanding, but also has a dark side. He meets Kenobi who feels the presence of the force within him.
3) Padme is a Princess of Alderaan, and her relationship with Anakin first mirrors that of Han and Leia in ANH and ESB.
4) The Jedi realise that Alderaan's secession from the Republic is really orchestrated by someone steeped in the dark side.
5) Kenobi pledges to train Anakin, an action that has ramifications for future films.

Young Anakin
Jar Jar
Dialogue is weak

That's exactly the point though, the Force was absolutely implied to not be based on anything physical and instead acted as this otherworldly "thing" that could only be sensed by those wise enough to listen to it. It was basically the Tao but reinterpreted into a sci-fi context.

After midicholorians came out though, it was basically became any other material energy field, based on crude laws of physics, thus severely harming its mystic and spiritual feeling.

>obiwan and quigon are both jedi knights
>dooku is a jedi council member called syfo dyas
>Amidala is the princess of alderaan but she lives in naboo wich is a summer residence for alderaan royalty
>the king of alderaan sent obiwan and quigon
>darth maul is the one speaking to the neimodians, he lets obiwan live at the end, he survives and flees
>obiwan activates the shield generator to protect gungans from orbital bombardment
>remove jar jar on tatooine, keep him in the ship, no eopee fart
>no midiclhorian count or talk
>make obiwan find anakin
>anakin is grown up, owen is his real brother, no virgin Mary, his dad was a force sensitive that failed the jedi test
>yoda only appears at the end, hes not a member of the council
>make that war the start of the clone wars with none clone troops geting btfo
>add more jedis in the naboo battle
that's it, wouldve been kino

>5) Instead of Queen of the Naboo, Padme should have been the younger sister of the rightful claimant to the throne.
>3) Padme is a Princess of Alderaan, and her relationship with Anakin first mirrors that of Han and Leia in ANH and ESB.

Padme should have been Padme Lars, sister of Owen Lars. That would have explained Owen and Beru being Lukes Uncle and Aunt and it would have explained why Owen seemed to dislike Anakin so much, because he came and took his beloved little sister away and she ended up dying on some distant world.
Anakin should have been a pilot cadet in the Naboo Royal Flying Squadron, who ends up having to pilot the Queen's ship as it escapes the block-aid.
He meet's Padme and asks the Queen to take her own as a handmaiden, so that she can have a better life then she'd have on Tatooine.
Years later, in Ep.II, Anakin and and Obi-Wan are tasked with protecting younger sister of Queen Amidala, who is the new Naboo senator. Padme has become a close friend, confidant and personal assistant to the senator. Anakin and Padme re-spark the romance that began years ago. Queen Amidala's sister eventually marries Bail Organa of Alderaan and when Padme dies in child birth, they offer to take their dear friends orphaned children, but Yoda tells them to take Leia and sends Luke off to Tatooine.

Everyone WAS using the Force though, Yoda says in TESB that the Force is an energy field created by all living things. It was just the wise were able to see into and utilise this field.

>instead of the mystical force being passed through family.
This still makes sense though, the same way a prince is considered to be "the true heir to his throne" when biologically his no real different from anyone else. The whole point of the Force is that it couldn't be explained through something logical, it had to be *felt* and understood.

>What’s so demystifying about identifying which part or parts of your body handle a sense? Do
Because the force is supposed to *transcend* sense. Obi-Wan even instructs Luke to just "reach out with his feelings" in order to feel it, rather than try and "grasp" it using sensual intellect.

>Instead of using force powers anyway, it’s having these things which allow you to use them.
Which is lame as fuck, it means that this mystical, otherworldly power is in fact dependent on crude, worldly logic.

"I told you, I'm not gonna let you warp the boy like you did his father. You brought him to me to protect, and that's what I'm doing. Protecting him from you."
"I'm not asking to train the boy. You've made yourself quite clear on that matter. But Luke has potential to be something…truly remarkable. Just as his father was, before he—"
"Before you got him killed! Haven't you murdered enough Skywalkers already, Kenobi?"
―Lars and Obi-Wan Kenobi

They seemed to cover that in the canon.

>The Force was always intended to have a material component
Then why do Obi-Wan and Yoda literally vanish the moment they die, defying the laws of physics and strongly implying their spirit went somewhere "else"? Why does Yoda tell Luke in TESB that we are not crude matter, but luminous beings? How do Obi-Wan, Yoda and Anakin come back as Force Ghosts, when apparently they no longer have any midichlorians?

Agreed

The bottom two arguments in were meant to be a reply to

Maul was great in blade 2 and hellboy 2

and become british after nearly three movies of clearly being american

>block-aid
jfc
asteroid when

5>4>3>R1>6>7>1>2>8>SOLO

James Earl Jones' voice as Vader always had a tinge of Britishness to it. Same with Hayden as Anakin.

Lucas would have made another shit trilogy, don't deny it.

Solo is easily better than The Last Jedi. It's not a top-notch movie by any means but it deserves to be above that one at least.

> R1>6

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At least he would have had the dignity to not pander to nostalgia by bringing all the old actors back and remaking ANH. He would have used a truly new cast.

>The prequels were great though

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The prequel trilogy was already pandering to nostalgia, so anything Lucas made would have likely continued that.

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Solo is an average adventure movie with the star wars brand on it. I'm sure most that rate it the worst thing ever haven't even seen it.

Still better than having to hear Mendo lisp his way through another movie.

I was expecting it to have laughably bad editing like Suicide Squad but aside from the start feeling really weird I didn't even notice anything like that. I'm surprised it turned out alright considering all the fuckups Disney went through.

The prequel trilogy are terrible adaptations of three non-existent masterpieces.

based and forcepilled

Probably Ron Howard being brought in to try to make chicken soup out of chicken shit.

The basic story structure for a great trilogy is there, but George did those films in such broad strokes that they can barely be taken seriously.

Nothing. It was great.

Fuck you, podracing was great.

It's interesting because usually such a monumental failure is only able to get one movie and we're only left to speculate where it could have gone from there, but because it's Star Wars, he managed three.

>Fuck you, podracing was great.
That whole sequence is impressive from an effects standpoint, but the way it is presented to the audience is fucking boring.

Yeah, I absolutely agree. I can see what George was *trying* to do with the Prequels, but unfortunately he just tried to cram in too many ideas and made too many weird decisions for them to be anything other than expensive B-movies.

I sometimes like to sit down and fantasize about what a good prequel trilogy would've looked liked, if only because I think the fans deserve one. I like to think of it as the "prequel trilogy apocrypha", akin to the Biblical apocrypha that everyone knows was closer to the true teachings on God, but didn't make the final cut for whatever reason, only in this case it's the PT that didn't make the big screen but is what the PT "really" should've been about.

>midichlorians detract from the mythology of the force

Imagine believing this.

>he managed three.
I am wondering if Episode IX is going to do well or not. With Episode III people were basically excited because ROTS was the movie where we saw all the shit we had been waiting for since... well forever. IX doesn't have anything in it for older fans so I hope for DIsney/LFL sake that their newer fans give enough of a shit to see how the ST trainwreck ends.

The Director's Guild wouldn't let him hire anyone suitable for the job, and George didn't want to direct. George is perhaps one of the best ideas guys around and with both trilogies pioneered visual effects, but he needs a strong figure to say no to some of his deas and focus the ones that work. If someone like Spielberg directed they'd probably be amazing. As it currently stands the films are deeply flawed but full of great things. I do adore Revenge of the Sith

Are youu actually defending the garbage chosen one trope where the MC is somehow more special and better than everyone else?

Absolute cringe. Midiclorians literally saved the series from falling into that trope.

What irritates me the most about the PT is the same thing that irks me about ROTJ; the camera work and scene blocking is terrible. It's just characters standing around and talking. They're shot like made for TV movies. ANH and TESB have movement to them. Hell, the one thing I liked about TFA was the weird camera work. Yeah, it looks like every other Abrams blockbuster, but at least it was something.

>somehow
It's because he's the only one left with any faith in the Force.

And yet it did nothing to explain the Immaculate Conception that caused Anakin to be born.

Making Anakin SPACE JESUS was a mistake regardless of medichlorians. Plus, we've already scene Jedi spirits. Do they have ghost medichlorians? Because apparently you have to have medichlorians for the force to speak with you.

I kind of doubt IX will flop. With Solo they released it far too soon after TLJ and made the extremely stupid choice of releasing it not long after Infinity War. If it had released in December it would have fared better and probably would have taken a lot of ticket sales away from Aquaman which was really the only thing to see that month. Even after TLJ, people are loyal to Star Wars.

If you thought Podracing was boring you should probably kill yourself. No offense, but your life must be so depressing and joyless.

I have to say John Williams' prequel trilogy soundtrack was far more inspired than it was for the sequels. It's like he was really excited to return to Star Wars the first time but then when they asked him to come back and do the sequels he was more like "Ugh, not this again."

I can't remember a single ST theme. Yet the PT themes are more iconic than the OT outside of Vader and the opening crawl.

When I was young I thought the Battle Droids said "Roger Roger" because one of them was named Roger. I'm actually not sure what the real reason they say that is supposed to be. It's strange for a droid to have a verbal tic.

>criticize a dogshit film like TPM
>somehow list two of the only things it got right
The duel Choreography is fucking brilliant, watch it again if you think Obi-Wan isn't filled with rage and impatience, and that scene with the laser doors, oh boy.
As for the aesthetics, Lucas is depicting a lost golden age, the contrast is deliberate and well thought out, it's finned '50s cars vs '80s econoboxes and stately palaces vs sterile military boxes.
TPM is dogshit make no mistake, but it's also one of the most wildly imaginative and aesthetically considered films ever put to screen, and is well worth watching for that

>>Not forcing George to recast anakin

Okay and here you have exposed yourself as a brainlet. Hayden's a good actor, and his Anakin voice isn't even his real voice. Hayden said he initially played Anakin in a more chadlike manner, but George told him to be more restrained. Hayden also modeled his vocal inflections to be like James Earl Jones. HIs real voice is different to the ones in the movies, he sounds way more natural IRL. Lucas wanted an unnatural stunted feeling for Anakin since he was an emotionally stunted repressed man. You didn't get this since you are a brainlet and cried wooden instead. You could have cast Oscar winners, or Chris Pratt or some other chad in the role, and the delivery would be the same stunted delivery. Because that was Georges vision.

Rey's theme in TFA and that one chord from Kylo's theme are both pretty memorable, back when the ST still showed promise of actually being a memorable franchise worthy of the SW name.

>>Not slapping george around the head until he agreed that ILM's CGI wasn't good enough and the SFX needed to be a blend of props and CGI to be decent and not age like milk.

But, George did do that. The Droid factory scene in AOTC is the only majority CGI scene in the entire PT. Everything else had real sets, miniatures and props. Have you seen watched the making off?

The whole sequence is just intergalactic wacky races. It's like watching Nascar, but already knowing who wins.

Do you think George was the Star Wars God or something user?

>Much of the dialogue is awkward and painful to listen to
>Actors seemed to lack direction
Quite a few of the actors in the Prequels have said that Lucas didn't do any actor directing when filming the scenes, just "lets try it again" and "that was it" when he was satisfied with the scene, they didn't get any feedback from him on how to improve their performances or what excatly he was after. Granted some actors, like Ewan McGregor, could still pull off nice perfomances but most actors need directing from the director when doing scenes.

Anakin as a child instead of a teenager
Jar-Jar as a joke nigger instead of a morally dubious smuggler
Padme in garish costumes instead of being a nudist

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If you want to promise to be a memorable franchise you don't start off your trilogy by lazily remaking A New Hope "except this time the big laser thingy is bigger!"

>Instead of creating the new planet of Naboo, the story should have been placed on Alderaan
This is a big one

TPM uses real sets but most of the scenes in AOTC and ROTS are composited onto miniatures, which as that poster said did age extremely poorly.

You do to be honest, especially if the last time you tried to make a memorable franchise you ended up shitting all over your established themes.

He is. Your vision of Star Wars is worse than his vision user. George's vision of Star Wars is better than any of the PT haters visions. There is no one alive today with a greater vision for Star Wars than that man. You can seethe at some of his wackier stuff, but in the end you are only seething because he was able to come up with it, and you weren't. You are creatively inferior to George.

>a morally dubious smuggler
Did you just suggest they make Jar Jar into Han Solo?

uhhhhh, okay..

Not really. TFA is doomed to not be memorable by the nature of being a retread. There's a middle ground between "remake ANH" and "try something new that is garbage." They could try something new that is good.

Unironically, this!

This is all completely stupid and proves correct.

Your vision that there should be no Qui Gon, no Naboo, just Alderann, no TF, just a boring royal succession story is so cliched and uninspired. Your post didn't fill me with any inspired vision, or any lust to adventure and see that world. Not it was just a hacks fan fiction.

You will never be better than George. Even George at his weakest, is far stronger than fans at their strongest. You are creatively inferior to George.

Darth maul was no joke

TFA could afford to not be entirely memorable though, since it was explicitly setting up a new trilogy of films that had to both undo the ill-will garnered by the sequels whilst also re-igniting the magic of the OT.

ANH was a flash-in-the-pan masterpiece that was so good it ended up getting two follow up movies, but the odds of literally anyone being able to recreate that magic in today's cut-throat and oversaturated market in a single movie was close to zero. TFA's greatest strength was in laying the groundwork for what should've been two follow-up triumphs, but unfortunately, we got Rian Roundhead and his cronies of emotionally-stunted liberals at the helm of TLJ instead, leading to the shitshow we all know and hate today.

You are creatively inferior to George.

You are very creatively limited. You are creatively inferior to George by a huge margin. I can't believe you actually posted that fan fiction here, how embarrassing.

You are creatively inferior to George.

You are creatively inferior to George.

INVASION!
of boring

Is this autism?

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"A communications disruption can mean only one thing; invasion."

Or it could mean you didn't pay your phone bill.

Nope. Just letting all the gen x fan fiction writers in this thread know that they are creatively inferior to George Lucas.

I am honestly really glad that none of them will ever get to write a Star Wars movie, imagine how fucking boring a movie by any of those guys I just replied too would be. They would be JJ Abrams tier abominations, or worse.

>medichlorians
>scene
ESL?

Not making Anakin older. It still works though.

3>5>8>2>1>4>6>7

Why is it so important to you that people believe the PT are "masterpieces"?

high quality content

Solo isn't even better than Tfa
It's a billion times worse than The Last Jedi you utter NplebC

I can genuinely say I've never seen the films ranked in this order before.

This whole explanation is basically

>watch this, I will explain the whole backstory without adding a single thing to the universe, no creativity needed, just use the cliched trope of having every character somehow know each other, you know like small world huh, small universe I guess

I am so glad that people like you are confined to writing video game adaption and sy-fy original television writing rooms. Imagine if someone with your abilities was allowed to touch something good.

Because they are masterpieces.

>make Anakin roughly the same age as Luke in ANH.
>Anakin, Owen, and Shmi lost the farm to Watto after Shmi's husband, Deak Skywalker, died on the farm
>Anakin works in Watto's junkshop as a borderline slave
>Jedi arrive
>Anakin sees this as an opportunity to fucking escape Tatooine because the planet sucks
>Anakin tries to impress Obi-Wan with his podracing abilities
>Obi-Wan allows Anakin to do this because he senses potential in the kid
>After Anakin wins the race and they have enough money to get the farm back Anakin asks if he can leave with Obi-Wan
>Owen gets fucking pissed and assumes Obi-Wan has been brainwashing him
>Shmi knows it would be horrible of her to keep Anakin on Tatooine now that he has a chance to leave
>Owen forever holds a grudge against Obi-Wan

Yikes and nope.

If you say so.

It's the 2nd one I've read in the past hour with a high ranking of 8. Makes me sick

Solo is one of the worst blockbuster movies ever seen let alone star wars. Literal parody babby wars get some taste emiliafag

Pleb. High ranking of 7 is the most sickening thing imaginable. Anywhere but the absolute bottom is "disregard your entire post" tier.

A long time ago in a galaxy far,
far away….

STAR WARS

Episode I

AN ENCROACHING EVIL

Disorder is at the far edge of the Galactic Republic. The Axis, a wicked horde of systems, has emplaced a blockade of deadly battleships around the outlying planet of Naboo.

Having received no word from the Axis regarding this aggressive act, the Supreme Chancellor of the galactic congress has sent two Jedi ambassadors to the region.

Obi-Wan Kenobi and Qui-Gon Jinn, Knights of the Jedi Order, the guardians of peace and justice in the Republic, are nearing on the Axis battleships in attempt to restore the peace….

Kek you're an NPC
Its bc its the truth
1 2 and 8 are underrated
6 and 7 are overrated
4 hasn't aged greatly
3 and 5 are best

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It's NPC to love last Jedi dickhead

>>
The movie had started with the pod race
They had had a true villian with a fucking dialogue, not that autistic mute painted faggot
jar jar had been replaced by a malfunctioning droid
Anakin had have a FRIEND
, most likely teen a girl related with the pod race

Villians had been robots as well, so the confederation would have been directed by some sort of elegant and civilized Skynet.
>Yes...Palpatine was smarter than a fucking Skynet

I agree with everything you said except for 6. It gets so much hate due to Ewoks I actually think it's underrated.

I am glad people are coming around to realizing just how badly 4 has aged though. It really doesn't gell well with the other movies, it feels out of place in parts too, especially most of Obi Wans lines, and not even PT contradictions, but stuiff like "only a master of evil darth" when Darth used to be Vader's actual first name.

Nothing. People have shit taste

>"only a master of evil darth" when Darth used to be Vader's actual first name.
There's nothing wrong with that line. It's like if instead of Darth Vader it was Count Dracula.

Dracula: When I left you, I was but the learner; now, I am the master.
Obi-Wan: Only a master of evil, Count.

Doesn't sound weird, does it?

So long as we're posting hypothetical Star Wars crawls, I may as well post the ones I writ up a while ago while I was drunk.

Episode I
THE PHANTOM MENACE

It is a period of peace.
The Jedi order, the galaxy’s
selfless guardians, have long
maintained balance using the
LIGHT SIDE of the Force.

However, all is not without
trouble. Terrorist attacks
by rogue clones – an oppressed
underclass of servants
and slaves – are sowing
mistrust and fear between
the citizens of the galaxy.

To help learn the truth
of a recent attack, Jedi
Master Obi-Wan Kenobi
and his padawan, Anakin
Skywalker, have been sent
to the beautiful planet of
Naboo to investigate…

(1/3)

Episode II
ATTACK OF THE CLONES

It is a dark time for the
Republic. Claiming to fight
for oppressed clones,
fallen Jedi Count Dooku
has launched a devastating
invasion of the galaxy with
his army of GENETICALLY
SUPERPOWERED WARRIORS.

The Jedi now find themselves
stretched to the limits as
they try to defend innocent
worlds from destruction
and discourage disaffected
clones, inspired by Dooku,
from rising up in violence.

In this confusion, JEDI HERO
Anakin Skywalker leads a
desperate defense of the urban
world of Coruscant…

(2/3)

Shut up George you fat cunt

Episode III
REVENGE OF THE SITH

Having had his actions against
clone citizens cast into doubt
by the revelation of Count
Dooku’s clone heritage, Anakin
Skywalker hopes to right his
wrongs by leading the final
assault on Dooku’s flagship
the MALEVOLENCE.

However, little is anyone
aware of the growing threat
of a mysterious organisation
calling itself the FIRST ORDER,
which claims to have brought
order to the areas of the galaxy
the Republic could not defend.

Now, as the Clone Wars come
to a climax, the fate of the
galaxy - and the Force - hangs
in the balance...

(3/3)

They are really not...

Yes, and he should have been missing an eyestalk. Star Wars = Monomyth and you fuck with it at your own peril as TLJ showed.

starwarsintrocreator.kassellabs.io/#!/BL_7_FfdXwdyLbiVfT77

If you're going to do it, do it the cool way.

Yes I know it works like that, but seeing as no one ever uses it like that again for the rest of the saga, it stands out. The retconing it to be Darth as in Count is a retcon, Alec said Darth, as a name, like Anakin.

Only a master of evil, Anakin.

What a seething faggot

It was great all except for the pod races and the end fight scene.

What’s wrong with it?

the absolute state of /tv
jesus fuck you need to kill yourself immediately

I agree that it would have been smarter if they had at least a few more people call him Darth in later films instead of leaving that be the one instance and have it stand out weirdly. Then nobody would have really noticed. As it is, I'd just handwave it as a weird quirk of Obi-Wan's.

>Star Wars = Monomyth

Cringe.

This nigga. You smoking crack? Pod races and duel at the end are the highlights of TPM

Then maybe you should put the blame on the dipshit who decided Darth would be a title instead of a name.

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autism

God DAMN that is cool. Thanks user, I'll remember this site

The Last Jedi's the greatest pleb filter of the 21st Century (so far)

The giant green world of Naboo is surrounded by ominous looking spacecraft. A red Republic cruiser heads for these dangerous ships.

INTERIOR: NEIMOIDIAN BATTLESHIP-BRIDGE

KAR MAUL is standing at the window looking out at the approaching Republic ship.

KAR MAUL
(speaking to someone unseen)
This is the beginning of the end; the culmination of my masters plotting. Pull them in with the tractor beam.

INTERIOR: REPUBLIC CRUISER-COCKPIT

The human pilot and his droid co-pilot are at the controls when the ship suddenly jolts. They both slowly take their hands off of the controls.

OBI-WAN
What has happened?

Jedi Knight OBI-WAN KENOBI, seated behind the pilots and next to his fellow Jedi, QUI-GON JINN, stands up to peer over the shoulder of the human pilot.

PILOT
They’ve grabbed hold of us.

OBI-WAN
Why are they still not communicating?

Obi-Wan begins to mess with the dials that are part of the com equipment between and above the pilots.

OBI-WAN
It’s been three standard days since the senate received word from the royal family about this blockade, and nothing since from either party.

QUI-GON
The Axis has all their communications jammed, most likely.

OBI-WAN
They waited until after the Naboo sent a distress call?

The two Jedi share a worried look.

QUI-GON
That’s reason enough for a drink.

Qui-Gon pulls a flask out of his robes.

OBI-WAN
I suddenly have a bad feeling about this.

The human pilot shares a worried look with his droid companion. They drift closer to the Neimoidian ship.

That's the fault of the other movies.

INTERIOR: NEIMOIDIAN BATTLESHIP-BRIDGE

Kar Maul watches as the Republic ship is drawn into position between the arms of his battleship.

KAR MAUL
Are you ready to declare war, gentlemen?

Three Neimoidian Axis generals are standing behind him.

NUTE GUNRAY
We’ve been ready.

Kar Maul turns and starts toward them.

KAR MAUL
(with a hint of a smile)
Fire on the ship.

EXTERIOR: SPACE

As the Republic cruiser is pulled in long ways between the two outstretched arms of the enemy ship, it is suddenly fired on by gun turrets from front and back.

INTERIOR: REPUBLIC CRUISER-COCKPIT

The ships is getting rocked by laser fire. Qui-Gon leaps from his seat to get a better look outside as he puts his flask away. The pilot is frantically trying to get the controls to respond.

PILOT
We can’t maneuver. The tractor beam has us.

Suddenly a blast hits the ship just below where the cockpit is causing sparks and debris to explode out from the controls. The pilot slumps over, dead. The droid looks up to the Jedi.

DROID PILOT
Get to an escape pod.

The two Jedi quickly depart the cockpit.

EXTERIOR: SPACE

The Republic ship continues to get pummeled by laser blasts. The engines finally give in to the barrage and explode, followed behind shortly by the cockpit section.

INTERIOR: REPUBLIC CRUISER-EJECTION TUBE

An escape pod jettisons from the ejection tube, blows away two half-circle couplings, and then fires up its boosters.

EXTERIOR: SPACE

The escape pod orientates itself toward the entrance to the hangar bay and thrusts forward.

INTERIOR: NEIMOIDIAN BATTLESHIP-MAIN HANGAR

The midsection of the Republic ship explodes, obliterating the entirety of the ship. The escape pod rockets into the open hangar bay and smashes into a small service corridor breaking through a doorway.

I fucking love when you autistic cunts jerk your tiny cock about an opinion being "npc", when the whole npc thing is about not being able to form your own opinions. How pathetic you have to be to form your opinion and taste around /tv circlejerks?

I will be the only person replying to this post. Fuck off Rian

INTERIOR: NEIMOIDIAN BATTLESHIP-BRIDGE

Kar Maul stands with the three generals as a technician looks up at them.

TECHNICIAN
Sir, a life-pod from the Republic ship just crashed in our hangar.

They all turn to her. Lott Dodd looks to Maul.

LOTT DODD
Didn’t your master say there were two Jedi aboard that ship?

KAR MAUL
(slightly nervous)
Destroy them!

INTERIOR: NEIMOIDIAN BATTLESHIP-SERVICE CHAMBER

A thick, almost foamy, gas is spilling out of a burst pipe as sparks come from broken electrical conduits. The hatch of the life pod makes some metal on metal scraping and scratching noises. It is then kicked outward by Obi-Wan from inside. He climbs out of the pod followed by Qui-Gon.

QUI-GON
This is about the time we formulate a plan, right?

OBI-WAN
Yes. We are going to find the person who ordered our ship destroyed and ask them not-so-politely why.

QUI-GON
And how do we go about finding this person?

Obi-Wan closes his eyes to meditate for a moment.

QUI-GON
Let us put our trust in the force.

Qui-Gon takes this opportunity to have another drink from his flask. Obi-Wan begins to focus on what is going on around him.

INTERIOR: NEIMOIDIAN BATTLESHIP-BRIDGE

Maul appears as though he feels a disturbance in the force.

I just want to prove the other guy wrong.

Star Wars was a side project while he waited to make Apocalypse Now. He always had a vision of a grand trilogy, but he thought it was unfeasible and would never get made. So he just condensed into one movie a lot of his flash gordan inspired ideas. Then it blew up, and since he had the rights to merch and sequels, realized if he wanted to do his grand space opera epic, he had to build on from the original. But like that he'd already used the death star concept in the original instead of saving it till the end like he wanted for his trilogy, but there were other aspects like the father son thing that he couldn't fit into a complete 1 film story, so it was omitted completely in the first part. So when he came to put it in the sequel, ESB, things had to be retconed. The OT suffers a lot from this change in direction, with retcons in SB, and repeat of concepts in ROTJ to make his original trilogy idea.

INTERIOR: NEIMOIDIAN BATTLESHIP-SERVICE CHAMBER

Obi-Wan focus’s in on this dark presence he has just felt. Abruptly a noise is heard. Both Jedi look toward the noise, Obi-Wan with his lightsaber handle pointed at it.

OBI-WAN
Who goes there?

SEE-THREEPIO, a protocol droid, shuffles away from the shadow of a computer terminal.

THREEPIO
See-Threepio, sir. Please don’t attack. I was only running diagnostics.

OBI-WAN
(looking at Qui-Gon)
Protocol droid, can you tell us who the head officer is aboard this ship?

THREEPIO
General Nute Gunray, sir.

Obi-Wan turns back to Threepio as Qui-Gon begins to monitor his immediate surroundings.

OBI-WAN
General Nute Gunray. Where would he be?

THREEPIO
The bridge.

QUI-GON
Obi-Wan!

Obi-Wan motions to wait a moment.

OBI-WAN
(to Threepio)
What’s the quickest route to the bridge?

THREEPIO
Well, up corridor seven-bee, then take the access tube up to level four-aye…

QUI-GON
Obi-Wan!

Obi-Wan turns to Qui-Gon.

OBI-WAN
What?

Qui-Gon motions to the thick accumulating gas that is now up to their chests.

OBI-WAN
(mildly shocked)
Oh.
(turns to Threepio)
Make it quick with the directions.

cringe
based

I love all the politics and worldbuilding in the prequels. Disney movies feel fucking soulless compared to them

TLJ certainly had plenty of politics...

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Would a remake of ANH, to bring it more in line with ESB, ROTJ and the PT be the most controversial film of all time? Imagine if they removed the death star so that ROTJ would canonically have the first unveiling of the death star, like Lucas wanted, Vader and the Stormtroopers can be more competent and actually get the death star plans back, no more stupid exhaust hole point vulnerable to a single fucking X wing. Also fix the stupid "there's no life forms aboard" crap and all Obi Wans lines, fix that horrifically bad saber fight between Vader and Obi Wan. How much seething would this cause among the OT fanbase? Of course Disney doesn't have the skill to pull this off, but if Lucas did it, it would be interesting. Especially if they facescanned 35mm images of Mark, Carrie and Harrison and CGI'd them over stand in actors like they did in Alita Battle Angel. It would be great.

>midichlorians meme

We don’t know if they give the force power or just show up as a measuring tool in force sensitive people.

Midchlorian haters are fags bc geroge didn’t write enough about them to make it interestong

What would the conflict that concluded the movie in ANH be without the Death Star?

In fact, where would they go for like half the movie since they spend so much time of it aboard the Death Star?

>Star Wars was a side project while he waited to make Apocalypse Now.
TRUE
>He always had a vision of a grand trilogy, but he thought it was unfeasible and would never get made.
SOME TRUTH/SOME FALSE The only stuff that got cut from the original draft that ended up in sequels was the asteroid chase after they escape the Death Star (put in TESB) and the native tribe helping in the final attack (put in ROTJ)
>So he just condensed into one movie a lot of his flash gordan inspired ideas. Then it blew up, and since he had the rights to merch and sequels, realized if he wanted to do his grand space opera epic, he had to build on from the original.
AGAIN SOME TRUTH/SOME FALSE
>But like that he'd already used the death star concept in the original instead of saving it till the end like he wanted for his trilogy, but there were other aspects like the father son thing that he couldn't fit into a complete 1 film story,
FALSE - Vader being Luke's dad didn't pop into George's head until draft 2 of TESB.
>so it was omitted completely in the first part. So when he came to put it in the sequel, ESB, things had to be retconed. The OT suffers a lot from this change in direction, with retcons in SB, and repeat of concepts in ROTJ to make his original trilogy idea.

You're mostly right, but you got some details muddled in there.

Why would you want to remake one of the greatest films of all time just so it meshes better with shitty sequels and prequels?

worst post I've read in a while.

Wait, what the fuck? Lucas made Apocalypse Now?

Politics are great as part of a movie, but TPM didnt brought politics, it was about diplomacy , politics would have been great, a populist leader that would have instigated a rebellion in the outer systems against the core republic systems, and had good intentions only to find the Palpatine treason against his cause would have been great, with all his surrounding sub-plots and portraing him as a charismatic man, with a tragic fate.

But TPM was not about politics.

RLM review is shit. You can nitpick any movie ever made and then declare it shit.

It offers no insight into why the movie wasn’t good. Nobody cared or noticed that 2 ships are blockading Naboo the second time

It was an idea him and Coppola had been working on. But it was in limbo for so long that by the time Coppola had the clout to get Apocalypse Now funded, George had already decided to stick with Star Wars because it was his passion project.

There was a massive decline in wealth and learning after the romans fell. Wars cost money and rebels don’t got any.

RLM points out how almost none of the dialogue or situations in TPM make any coherent sense. If you call that "nitpicking" then you must have pretty low standards for films. TPM feels like someones first draft.

Most of the review's nitpicking, but that's just for humour purposes mostly. His real problem with the film is weaved throughout the review; that being that the characters are unrelatable / unlikeable.

Nah my wife saw it for the first time like 5 years ago, likes the prequels better and thinks Hayden was good.

We need to cut through the nostalgia factor and get to a real answer

They don't explain what specifically is wrong with the dialogue. They just say it doesn't make sense and expect you to believe them.

Do in classic Lucas style, have a rather complex plot, but explain it all in one or two lines of dialog that leaves all the plebs confused but the patrians figure it all out. Have Sheev be in the film, have Vader be more like he was in ESB, not Tarkins underling as he appears in ANH. Vader and the 501st recover the plans to the still under construction Death Star, but Sheev orders Vader to make sure the rebels are satiated with something to keep them from snooping further, the Death Star MUST be completed in secret. So the rebels are allowed to escape with the "Death Star Plans" that have actually been switched for some flagship project at Kuat Drive Yards. Have all the parts that were inside the death star in original ANH, be instead on the solar ring space stations of Kuat, with all the ISD construction yards in the background. Have this Super ISD Flagship, redubbed the death star have orbital nuke capabilities or something, and it can nuke cities from orbit like the death star did in Rogue One. The space battle at the end is the rebels being lured to take out this bait flagship and gaining a manipulated victory by Sheev while the real Death Star is moved from wherever it was in ANH remake to Endor and Sheev orders the firing lasers completion to be top priority.

I dunno I came up with this in 2 minutes while taking a piss after I made the last post because I realized the same thing. Lucas would be able to come up with something truly good though, given the time.

Yes

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RLM literally breaks down several scenes, line by line, and explains how it doesn't make sense. My favorite is the scene where Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are standing before Boss Nass and the other Gungans and they somehow know everything about the Trade Federation invasion even though they don't actually know any of that stuff, only the audience does.

It would be a masterpiece if Anakin were 13.

You're a fucking retard.

>Lucas would be able to come up with something truly good though, given the time.
He had from 1983 to 1999 to plan TPM and he still fucked that up...

Because it's sequels and prequels are all better than it.

Everything

>You're a fucking retard.
Well, at least you were able to put together a proper rebuttal and not resort to name calling...

All the ideas for the PT were absolute god tier, peak of human creativity level good though.

>midichlorians detract from the mythology of the force
No they don't. George is based and biology pilled. Humans are animals.

>Because it's sequels and prequels are all better than it.
How dare you waste trips on such a shitty opinion.

You're talking about a movie that stars Jar-Jar Binks...

If Leo had played Anakin, he would have been just as "wooden" as Hayden. Actors just follow a directors direction dipshit. I don't get how people love K from BR2049, but hate Anakin when they are extremely similar characters. Anakins killing of the sand people then bitching to Padme about it is basically his chair kicking scene. He was emotionally stunted, Leo would have played him in the same manner. You would have called Leo a bad actor and said Titanic was a fluke. Hayden Christiansen would have started in Wolf of Wall Street instead.

Is this the power of autism?

Come up with someone more creative and original than Jar Jar Binks and Gungan culture right now.

unquestionable genius creative auteur surrounded himself with sycophants.

for every good idea, a person has he will have 4 - 5 shitty ones in the early movies Lucas had more oversight and thus had a better grasp of what would and what would not work.

Say what you will about the prequels they had the soul of star wars and even at their worst (attack of the clones) they're better than this soulless design my focus group + feminism trash Disney has reanimated like the dawn of the fucking dead.

JJ Abrams Is perpetually mediocre He's a competent filmmaker but he doesn't have greatness in him, films that are in the range of okay to good is his high water mark.

Ultimately sequels did what prequels couldn't, they made me stop liking star wars which makes me sad because I lost a childhood "friend" of sorts but happy because I found other things. Pic related "no there is another"

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>The whole sequence is just intergalactic wacky sword fights. It's like watching fencing, but already knowing who wins.
>The whole sequence is just intergalactic wacky politics. It's like watching the news, but already knowing who wins.
>The whole sequence is just intergalactic wacky romance. It's like watching soap opera, but already knowing who lives.
You're a pleb with no appreciation for sound effects and design. Your opinion is worth nothing the sound effects in the podracing sequence are the best in any fantasy movie.

>leo
>good actor
Thot.

Taken out of context your post sounds vaguely pedophilic.

They should make use of the 128th TIE Interceptor Squadron. They're the best of the best.

Cut the chatter! Wedge, hold them off as best you can! Rogues, we're gonna have company real soon

Everything is actually about sex.