Someone please explain to me how the Special Edition of Alien 3 isn't as good as Alien or Aliens?

>1>3>2>Prometheus>>>>>acid blood on your penis>>>>>>>>>>>>xenomorph tail painfully penetrating your anus cavity>>>>covenant
four was such a shit that i never finished it

ALIEN > ALIENS > ALIEN: ISOLATION > ALIEN VS PREDATOR >>>>> HOT TRASH >>>> anything else Alien related

Why does everyone love Hicks so much? He didn't do anything better than any of the other marines. After everyone dies, all he does is get acid on him and sit it out while Ripley did all the work.

why did they kill off the loli? at least jonesy is safe.

I didn't really care for Hicks and Newt being killed. Sucks, but Ripley could carry a film.
I mostly hated the industrial prison setting and religious prisoners.

*tips trilby in your direction*

>hated the industrial prison setting
That was the best part about the movie. The atmosphere was great.

imagine thinking Newt was necessary to Alien3

GOD TIER
ALIEN

GREAT TIER
ALIENS
ALIEN: ISOLATION

GOOD TIER
ALIEN vs PREDATOR

SHIT TIER
Prometheus
Covenant
AVP: Requiem
Alien 3
Alien Resurrection

Im not a big fan of steampunk. The sets and atmosphere were a big change from 1 and 2. I can see how it was appreciated by some for being different though

I'm looking forward to the major series we'll get one day with:

>TERMINATOR
>ALIEN
>ROBOCOP
>PREDATOR
>BLADE RUNNER

Shared universe series.

its was as good.. its just a movie whose theme is death isn't going to be that much fun.

Shut the fuck up moron

faggot ranking

>alien vs predator

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It's a good movie with bad characters. The lore in the setting is K I N O.
It's just let down for being made in the early 2000s.

>There are literally a million things better about this one compared to all the action in Aliens.
Name three (3)

it's my favorite. it's scary and it haunted me more as a kid than Aliens. the corridors, the fact that they know they're all doomed but they still try to set up a plan where they're human bait. the fact that they're nobodies and losers. the religious undertone too. and weaver has never been more convincing as ripley. i find her ending superb. this flick is bleak and i like it

Iiterally fight club with alien hybrid dogs.

Not a dumb action movie, atmosphere, ends Ripley's arc in a perfect manner.

fucking shit movie, literally "shit movies Yea Forums tricked you into watching" tier

Your opinion is garbage.

The theatrical release was trash... the directors cut was a worthy part of that trilogy, cant say it was better than the first two, but it stands with them pretty well.

It was satisfying in that it didnt shy away from its depressing nature, I think there were 4 small jokes in the entire movie.

... it was a study in the different forms of death, so that even kind of made up for the pointless death of hicks and newt.

I think that all things considered its one of finchers most impressive efforts since they didn't even have a script finalized while it was being made..

TOTALLY agree! The industrial setting and bleakness to it all made Alien 3.

Fuck ya'll who thought the setting was "boring".

>whats with the alien^3 hate in general?
Everyone likes it. There is no hate.

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Amen to that

I loved the setting. Just the general atmosphere/ambience of it was so bleak and hopeless. It was a fitting end to the Ripley trilogy.

actually i think it's the funniest of them all. the ripley/85 duo is hilarious at times. at least in the french version

>Killing off Hicks and Newt.

Yes, and? The series obviously isn't some kind of happily ever after fairytale shit. It's horror and horrible shit happens. I love Alien 3 anyway. Resurrection on the otherhand.

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Because muh I like to keep this for close encounters. Really though he was a good character but killing him off isn't anything to get upset over given the brutality of the films.

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>alien vs predator
>good

Not saying he was a bad character, he's just overhyped when in reality he didn't really do anything more than the other marines besides survive

Aliens is a smart action movie. 3 has no atmosphere. Ripley having an arc is retarded.

I cant say iv seen that version.

In the english version, Clemmens telling the warden that he is "unpleasant to be around" was funny.

Bishop told ripley he liked what she did with her hair.

85 telling ripley that there is no need to be sarcastic was funny.

Morse saying "FUCK"

and 85 had a fucking sick burn when he said that everyone talked about how dumb he is and he said that at least he isnt dumb enough to have a life sentence on that rock.

there might be one or two other things I missed, definitely fewer than 10 quips anyway.

Patrician taste OP

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Alien 3 was choke-full of high quality British actors. American plebs fail to appreciate its quality because of this.

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3 had no atmosphere?
3 had almost too much atmosphere. it was oppressive

What dude? what does "smart action movie" even mean?

3 objectively has atmosphere

How is Ripley having an arc retard?

Did you put anything thought into your post/opinion before you made it?

some of those take place hundred of years apart

To be honest, I'm not really able to judge this movie objectively.
I saw it first when I was around 8 maybe?. so I was scared shitless..it really bothered me.

That might exaggerate its horror qualities even when I rewatch it today.

Also.. youtube.com/watch?v=w1bd9L5Tw7k

>what does "smart action movie" even mean?
That you even need this explained to only demonstrates how retarded you are.

>3 objectively has atmosphere
You mean in the sense that there is breathable oxygen? Guess you got me there.

>How is Ripley having an arc retard?
Because it's trite uninteresting shit. Character arcs aren't some universally good thing, and not every story should have them. Alien is one of those movies that would be served better without some sort of corny character growth bullshit.

>if you're obsessed with having to kill them off, at least do it on-screen with some weight.

This. It's one thing to deny Ripley a happy ending and go for the tragic angle but their deaths had to be more than a fucking afterthought. There were so many ways it could have been done dramatically and made a real impact, but nope...off-screen, during the opening credits.

They shat on everybody's expectations which could have been exciting if done right but instead it was done in the most boring way possible just to get it over with quickly. Worst of both worlds. And it's a shame because I liked a lot about Alien 3 but you can't just casually discard well-liked, established characters to replace them with a cast of creepy, mostly unlikable weirdos who are really just cannon fodder anyway. If you;'re going to piss on the ending of Aliens you better have something at least as good to offer in exchange and they didn't.

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I dont think you know what atmosphere means in this context.

>There were so many ways it could have been done dramatically and made a real impact, but nope...off-screen, during the opening credits.

You saw the mangled corpse of Hicks, and they did quite a touching autopsy on Newt. It had quite an impact. Did you want some kind of torture porn where you see Hicks having his head caved in along with Newt in her pod drowning on camera?

You're all gonna die. Only question is how you check out. Do you want it on your feet? Or on your fuckin' knees. Begging! I ain't much for begging. Nobody ever gave me nothing. So I say fuck that thing! Let's fight it!

Thanks for proving how retarded your points are to all of us.

>"The action movies I like are smart for smart people like me"
This is what you sound like when you use that term without any explanation or context.

>Movie that even people don't like agree has atmosphere.
You're just plain wrong or a troll

>Arcs are bad because...because...I SAY SO

>that motivational speech before the final battle with that music playing in the background.

One of the best parts of the entire saga

Why do Americans want every movie to comply to their rules of Hollywood cinema?

youtu.be/5QHc0n0G2kA

Watch this video, Lance Henriksen makes a total buffoon out of himself and just straight up misrepresents Alien3, all because it had the balls to not be your standard Hollywood fare.

Alien 1 - The fear of the unknown. Subconscious fear. The dark side of sexuality

Alien 2- Motherhood. civilized hostility vs primitive brutality.

Alien 3 - Death. Pointless life vs Meaningful Death.

Alien 4 - Clones?

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"No... you're ffffucked"

Alien 4 - "you're a beautiful, beautiful butterfly!"

>Did you want some kind of torture porn where you see Hicks having his head caved in along with Newt in her pod drowning on camera?

Nothing says they had to die in a crash. The pod could have crashed on some random planet without them dying, and then they could have been killed by the Alien at some point during the film. Boom, Ripley's story is still tragic and the suspense is increased and on-screen deaths mean more because it's characters we actually care about in danger and not just the random guys we just met who turned out to be murderers and rapists anyway.

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It wasn't ideal, but I think they were hamstrung by the production a bit there. I think their death kind of worked with the theme overall.. They were good people who died a meaningless death, snuffed out, out of the blue.

>and they did quite a touching autopsy on New
>touching

they made a full nude puppet with internal organs for that shit

not touching at all

Really? I thought they cut open a real dead child.

Is that Charles dance?

Why do contrarians act like every underwhelming movie somehow has a secret treasure trove of artistry and meaning to it?

Alien 3 was a sequel to a sequel that was had most of its interesting ideas nixed for budgetary reasons and was disowned by its own director because he felt the final product was the result of studio micromanagement and didn't represent his vision. It was very much standard hollywood fare. Stop romanticizing it like it was an indie film or something.

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The movie isnt bad acting wise or plot wise
I liked it
But the alien puppet is so shitty i cant fully love it
In fact the puppet makes me really hate the movie sometimes.
It bothers me on how the great sets, the great actors, the great atmosphere
Ruined by a god awful shitty piece of shit goofy puppet

>But the alien puppet is so shitty i cant fully love it

It was made at an awkward time for CGI. A full computer generated Alien would have looked silly I imagine. A stop-motion one could have worked. I suppose they went with the best option they could with a rod-puppet.

The point is it was gross and in bad taste.
They even cut out large portions of it because test audiences found it too graphic.

Why was it that bad? All you see is some blood, hear some bones cracking, and see a split second of a chest cavity opening. Is that really any worse then what movies like The Thing did, or the chestburster from Alien/Aliens did? Yes even children get autopsies in real life when they die.

Yes, autopsies are disgusting especially when they conduct them when the cause of death is already known.

But that's not the point. The point is they kill off the girl we cared about in the previous movie off screen, and then they have the gall to have whole scene where they're mutilating her dead naked body. (mind you, for no reason as it turns out there was no alien egg inside her so ripley just had to watch them cut her open for nothing)

it's needlessly cruel and edgy, and the original cut would have confirmed that.

Also it's only a scene for "no reason" because it's a mystery that the audience knows but the characters dont. Was it not a good idea to open up someone to confirm if they are impregnated after seeing a burn mark that looks like a corroded hole? It seems your whole argument for why they shouldn't have done it was "cus its gross and I liked Newt and shes a child!"

Well yeah Ripley didn't know for sure what the cause of death was and needed to know for sure which then set her off on a path in finding out she had an Alien inside her. As far as autopsies on a child goes it was tastefully done with good performances from Charles Dance and Sigourney Weaver.

Fuck do you mean, yes and? Sorry I'm not some autist who doesn't give a shit if characters they have grown to like are unceremoniously killed off.

>it was tastefully done
did you miss the part where test audiences forced them to cut most of it?
they modelled all the internal organs inside that puppet.
and originally they were probably going to show her fully naked.

as for performances, I recall the doctor being creepy as fuck while doing it.

Put yourself in her shoes dude, you had 2 horrible experience with the xeno's and you want some peace of mind to make sure its over.

>did you miss the part where test audiences forced them to cut most of it?

So some things were cut? Happens all the time. What was edited into the film was tastefully done yes.

Because they were forced to. This isn't a european movie. We have standards.
So she desecrates the dead child's corpse.

>We have standards.

Yeah pleb standards. It was thanks to the British actors the film is even above average to begin with - they all carried the film along with Weaver.

Uhh yea? If I experienced what Rip did I would do that in a heartbeat on a dead child to make sure the xeno didn't infect her. Why are you such a baby that you don't understand how death works? Do you think those people lying in a casket at a funeral are 100% intact? No they take out all their organs and embalm them. It's not a pleasant process but then again alien 3 was a very depressing movie so why does it mean that much to you that they did an autopsy on a child?

If you had a kid and they died the same exact thing would happen

yeah a bunch of generic interchangeable bald dudes really carried the movie

didn't they cremate newt and hicks' bodies anyway.?
Pointless and vile scene.

your argument is "it's gross and its a child so it shouldn't be in an R rated movie." Give me something to work with here dude.

>yeah a bunch of generic interchangeable bald dudes really carried the movie

You saying all whiteys look the same? That's some racist shit.

It's just the message the moviemakers are sending.
They're saying fuck you to aliens fans not only killing her off like that but then mutilating her corpse on screen

The autopsy scene was pretty fucking dark.
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The audio sucks, unfortunately.

Ripley seemed pretty emotional during the autopsy and when they were being cremated. Dillon even gave them a very memorable send off. That didn't seem like a big "fuck you" to me. They did a decent job of saying goodbye to them. (imo)

No, fuck this movie. Fuck it enormously, it does a shitload of wrong things.

For one it shits on Ripley's character arc from Aliens. She was traumatized and her biggest fear (PSTD-inducing even) was getting impregnated by a facehugger. So Aliens puts her face to face with her fear, including a facehugger lunging at her, and makes her overcome it in the name of saving an innocent child.

So 3 not only kills the child but impregnates Ripley anyway thus undoing the whole point of Aliens. Overcoming her fear was pointless, she got impregnated anyway. And it does so gratuitously, because there is no in-universe plausible reason for an egg to have gotten into the Sulaco.

And fuck, the idea of having Ripley hosting an alien queen of all things makes her kind of a reverse Mary Sue; in an universe where she was just a random peon put against a murderous abomination due to outside circumstances she is now important enough for all alien-centered shit to linger around her, down to the chestburster inside her being a fucking queen.

>This isn't a european movie. We have standards.
The catering of our standards is what turned the Alien franchise into what it is thanks to James Cameron.

>PSTD

PTSD I mean, fuck.

>So 3 not only kills the child but impregnates Ripley anyway thus undoing the whole point of Aliens.
BASED

I love Alien 3 but agree that her chestburster had to be a Queen was pretty bullshit

>So 3 not only kills the child but impregnates Ripley anyway thus undoing the whole point of Aliens.

Shit happens. Life in the Alien universe is shitty.

The moment they discarded survivors from 2 and pretty much erased Aliens trying to milk the death of all the fodder in that prison turned into a exercise in futility. They were barely distinguishable. Alien 3 drags, it's a gray monotone do-over and the CG Xeno is distracting.

I liked that she was impregnated. It gave her a time limit, you felt the urgency of the situation and her uncaring attitude towards dying/suicide via alien. You don't even find out till halfway through though they give you a good foreshadowing towards it. It wasn't perfect in terms of story arcs or anything but it did present an interesting situation

>CG Xeno is distracting.

These are the plebs we're dealing with, people who think the Alien was computer generated. Shows how much they pay attention and suck off Aliens like it's some deep shit.

You do know they had to do kill Newt because the actress of course aged since Aliens. Hicks got a ride to reduce costs.

What you said just amounts to you being buttblasted because a movie subverted your comfortable hero's journey.

Alien 3 apologists conveniently forget that literally everyone involved in the film’s production thought it was a piece of shit and have disowned it.

He was the level-headed one. The rest of the Marines didn't take shit seriously (and died) or flipped the fuck out when things went sideways. Hicks just worked the problem and used all of the information and people at his disposal, including Ripley and even Newt.

I bet you're one of those plebeians that thinks David Lynch's Dune is bad.

>an artist doesn't appreciate his work while others can see its glory

I can see Alien 3 for what it is, a solid 7/10.

>fuck your hero’s journey. It’s subversive!

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She just had to witness them cut up her body for no reason (because there was no alien egg) It was like desecrating Newt's memory. Adding insult to injury.

She should have been more cut up about that.

>Hard to understand them since they're all British
English is not my first language. But, even I can hear the different dialects in Alien 3.

>You do know they had to do kill Newt because the actress of course aged since Aliens.
Yet they retconned her age anyway in the movie

She was! Did you see the scene? She was legit freaking out when it was going on. She was shaking and breathing hard.

This is correct

Dude, you don't age in hypersleep and in the movie dead Newt looked like Aliens Newt. If they brought back the actor she would be a young adult

It was "only for no reason" because you have hindsight bias that there's no egg. Ripley legit thought there was an embyro inside of her from the corroded hyplersleep bed on the EEV.

Because you have an IQ that is at least average, while pleb boy who you're replying to is a retard.

Massive Alien and Aliens fan here, I love Alien 3 too. What are you going to do about it? Nothing lmao.

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no she didn't, look at the actress she's like 10-12 and in the movie they identify her dead body as being 10-12 years old

From the script-writer perspective, it was just pure edgy shock value

surviving makes him ripley tier, and imagining their anti-alien buddy adventures is sweet

What is the argument? You don't age in hypersleep so Newt SHOULD look the same as in Aliens, but Alien 3 was made 6 years later. There is a massive difference in the growth of a child over 6 years If they got a new actor people would complain as much as her death

It would be sweet, but they went a different direction. That doesn't make it a bad movie because "this is what it could have been"