"bro just use re-usable bags and ban plastic straws that will save the environment"

>or don't do anything like every asshole human

What exactly have you done that benefits the environment?

Nothing can stop Bagger 288
We've created something far too powerful

every industrialized country is to blame

powerfully sitting in a field rusting

>mongoloid explains the world

Except these 2 are the worst offenders by a far stretch

The plastic ones are pretty efficient because they're made of nothing and most people (atleast in aus) reuse them as bin liners. Denmark did a holistic study on it and ended up keeping them as they were the best option iirc

The point was that the production of those cotton bags has such a high impact on the environment that it would have to be used to an absurdly high degree (to the extent that it likely would not even remain intact long enough), for it to provide any benefit whatsoever to simply using a plastic bag.

Explain why hes wrong

>stop having kids
>recycle
>go vegan
>give up your cars
>wow all first world nations have a birth rate lower than death rate
>....
>....
>we need more immigrants!

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Has suddenly everyone forgotten about evolution? Species will adapt.

Should probably just ban the chinese.

Chinas gonna get their shit smashed when they try something

evolution is too slow for most species

What would a zoomer version of Koyaanisqatsi look like?

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10 minutes of research would quickly disprove it all, not my job to spoonfeed you facts you choose to remain ignorant of

Got nothing huh

youtube.com/watch?v=azEvfD4C6ow

We need some kind of catastrophic depopulation. Something like a super potent airborne Ebola would be a godsend.

I know. Those who do prevail thrn flourish in diversity filling up the empty spaces.

>The planet will be fully destroyed in 200 years
goes to show how powerful was Frieza since he could do it in only 5 minutes

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haha o wow

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If those 20 or so odd people that own 99.76% of all wealth on this spinning disk are fine with it, so am I.

Also they import dirty littering foreigners that undermine the country’s ability to be clean and do great projects

not the guy you're responding to, but I know plenty of economists who are liberal that don't fit his description at all. his premise is based on caricature rather than reality.

Every other country is only down in pollution metrics because they import from those 2, if other countries had to produce the stuff they import from China or India they'd be just as bad relatively

my local recycling plant just admitted what everyone already knew that nothing gets recycled (besides metal) because it's too expensive. everything goes in the landfill and always has

Literally look up the cause of the housing crisis to find a litany of credible arguments disproving that stupidity.
But you won't cause you're a troll and this is what Yea Forums is now about, pretending to be a retard conservative

>we have to stop climate change bro
>I fucking love science bro

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capitalism ROCKS

Every billionaire on earth is funding their own private space race

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China and India should be wiped from earth. India twice because of the poo.

Yea Forums truly is Yea Forums at this point, isn't it?

My strong suspicion is we get the world we deserve
I for one welcome human extinction

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Reminder that it's 100 companies owned by less than 1% of the world's population that causes 90% of the pollution and that the increasing rate of algae blooms, mass droughts and sapping of soil minerals and nutriets are going to result in a lot more immediate and sudden ecological crisis under their policies because the boomer owners know that they'll be dead of old age before it hits

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??? Do you think im a conservative? The user is referring to classical liberalism, not the burger definition of what liberal

>now

One of the core assumptions of liberalism is the rationality and agency of the individual.

So kids who are born with aids in third world countries deserved it?

those issues are only inherent to capitalism in so much as individuals are bound to make the decisions which trigger those issues.

>For example, the 2008 crash and subsequent depression is blamed on "bad bankers". When crises are simply inherent to capitalism.

But is was bad bankers. The abolishment of glass-steagall, and the securitization of bad housing loans is what led to the crash. Both of these were the result of "bad bankers"

luckily, academics and professionals are capable of nuance and there's a decades old branch of liberal economists who accept behavioral finance/economics.

have you even take intermediate macro yet?

Yes, but what hes saying is, in such system "banks gonna bank" sooner or later. So more more "bad bankers" will keep popping up

Reminder that more than half of the money in the world simply does not exist
It is money based on speculation that has nothing to do with liquid assets, production, employee count or anything "real" and is instead based on the perception that someone has money that is actually credit based on the creditor having the money to back that line of credit dozens of times and that the threat of the Yellow Vests pulling their money from the banks was the first real tangible threat to this literal religious system that is continuing the consolidation of wealth, the destruction of the environment and violent corporate imperialism all over the world

Makes more sense, appreciate it.

/r/equesting anons drawing of this pic from memory, it always put a smile on my face

liberal economics blames exogeneities for crises, and implies that the problems of the world are simply one of incentive. For instance, the GFC was an intersection of many different types of individual (mortgage brokers, investors, investment bankers, etc) who, by their individual actions caused the GFC.

The implication is that crises are caused by bad actors, moral hazard, bad incentive structures, rather than crises simply being the inevitable consequence of the contradictions within capitalism itself.

Climate change is a great example. If firms simply "internalise their costs" though carbon taxes, they will have the incentive to reduce negative externality of pollution, so we are told.

The problem with all of the above is that the emergent crises of capitalism, are consequences of the very profit-maximising premise of capitalism itself. So that simply appealing to that premise can never offer any real solutions to the crises. We can only every manage the problems. Liberal economics is never about eliminating boom/bust cycles, but trying to reduce their amplitude though monetary policy... Again, no structural change, simply a management of the problem.

The only way to actually resolve these crises is by appealing to something outside of capitalism itself. Capitalism and its ideology (liberalism) is unequipped to resolve the problems it creates.

t. ameriburger

We're all the Demiurges torture toys.

Human impact on climate change is a spook. You don't affect anything. If you really really feel guilty about using resources and producing waste, you could kill yourself. That makes you very eco-friendly. That reduces your impact.

i would really like for us to be more closer to our natural roots

but on the other hand i love motorsport

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Just cut the platitudes and admit you're a commie.

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You mean biding his time and gathering power until his time to destroy all of creation has come

i love the narrative that global warming and pollution is my fault and not the massive corporations dumping shit into the oceans and making all that plastic

daily reminder he was right about everything

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Did you copypasta Zizek?

>chong chong ding dong china do no wrong

Maybe you should take your own advice and kill yourself.

Is it true I should invest in water?

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The contradiction of climate change is that capitalist firms seek profit though destroying the very planet they need to generate profit.

Similar to how the capitalist maximises profit by lowering wages, and yet by doing so they lower the economy's purchasing power, lowering their sales and so profits.

Capitalism requires constant change to survive, and so it destorys all social relations it comes into contact with; it destroys patriarchal relations, religious, and political ones; and yet for it to even exist it must preserve the relation between the capitalist and worker. Capitalism is both hyperprogressive and hyperreactionary.

etc

etc

BAGGER 288

Things are gonna fall apart very quickly when crops don't grow anymore.

People have been predicting the "death of humanity in the next 10 years" since the 60's now.

Libya under Gaddafi's quasi-socialism
>less poverty than the US
>better education than the US
>subsidized small businesses and internal economies
>less homelessness than the US
>considered nationalizing their oil
>Obama/Hillary collapse the nation

Venezuela
>better education than the US
>less homelessness than the US
>better literacy rate than the US
>better healthcare than the US
>better food distribution than the US
>suddenly over the course of a couple years develops into a "crisis point" which will "require" the US taking active military [we've already done economic] action against the government in order to "liberate" the people

>What exactly have you done that benefits the environment?
I have not fathered more humans and never will

More like 2000 years

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

Meanwhile the right sits in a burning room and pretends that nothing is happening.

>a little bit of trash lays around at some corner of the world
>OH NOES HUMANITY IS DOOMED!
you are a fucking moron if you think this has any influence on our lifes

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I can't wait for corn in my state to either stop growing or the government stops subsidizing it to 500% its real price so I can harvest the farmers' land and make a cheapo house

I'd rather suffer.... I'd rather let 1/3 of the world be displaced... rather let billions starve in famines... I'd rather let the world itself burn to a crisp! than support a small change in economic production.. becasue gommunism!

t. sane man not at all deluded with ideology

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Got to start somewhere, and there are some people who has pointed out that fishing equipment and microplastics are a far bigger problem then straws and bags.

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>better education than the US
they just give away university titles, dont ever go to a venezuelan doctor, there is a great chance that he dont know how to cure you.

adn you really fall for the meme of venezuelan propaganda, you really like fascism

Tell me why is there a need for the future generations to be saved? They are literally just potential people. Present people are more important, aren't they?

Not him but Japan has a huge problem right now in terms of what to do with their plastic recyclables. They used to just ship them to china but even china at this point cant find any use for bottles and whatnot, so into the landfill they go.

Anyone who thinks throwing your plastic bottle into the recycling bin helps is ill informed.

>capitalism

>I lack the fundamental human desire for our progeny to prosper
To the gulag with you.

Leftists:
>1% of the world population shouldn't own and control all the wealth
Conservatives:
>The 1% own all the world's wealth and that's a good thing
Liberals:
>Fifty! Percent! Of! The! One! Percent! Should! Be! Women!

They're alive right now. Kids you idiot.

Should I be a vegan too?

They aren't "made of nothing" though. They're generally made from non-renewable, harmful resources and an unfathomable amount of them are produced continuously, every day. They're going to end up burned or in landfill, so filling them with trash beforehand is hardly an impressive ecological offering. So long as the status quo is upheld, the impetus to improve is deferred. Biodegradable, non-synthetic plastic alternatives already exist and are in use moderately, but they're progress is buried beneath the systems already in place, enabled by the sloth of the everyman; by removing the abundance of plastic carrier bags, we create room for those just as competent, yet renewable, alternatives.

Just for the record, I think it's quite blatantly not nearly enough to just get a tote bag and stop using disposable straws. The back-patting of people who helm these myopic crusades are seriously damaging to any attempt to get out from the under the environment arrears we find ourselves in, often doing more damage than good by placating people.

Biodegradability, recyclability and being a switch from non-renewable to renewable resources are three easy to see benefits, all while doing the same job; generally, any movement toward removal of superfluous plastics is surely positive.

LOL nice estimates. Scientists long since predicted we have 30-60 years left actually. If you're young enough, you'll get to see it with front row seats!

>imagine unironically believing the environment would be better off in a soviet-style communist society
I'll extend you an olive branch and say that you're right in a sense that there wouldn't be billions of people to starve since most of them would've already died by purges or by forced labour.

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You're an idiot if you thinks he's talking about just trash and not pollution.

Interesting concept. Im not sure it challenges the critique that these problems are structural and something solved by replacing certainl individuals? As to your second quest im not american so different uni system

>you really like fascism
>when the opposition are literally a fascist wannabe dictator who wants to (with the cooperation of western governments and their corporate masters) to overthrow and suspend the democratic process in his country and install himself as dictator supreme
>user was a fetus during the iraq war and didn't watch the exact same propaganda process unfold under the corporate media and cia think-tanks
It's literally a narrative of the upper class media shills shifting the blame from the corporate oligarchs and capitalism to the populace
Even if half the world went vegetarian right now it wouldn't affect over 2/3rds of the pollution generated by 100 companies

wouldn't the carbon tax affect the polluting companies mostly? these companies can either pay the fines, which should then go to funding sustainable alternatives, or dodge the costs by improving their processes.
while i agree that big companies are at fault, these companies exist because we the consumers allow them to live by buying their products. if we reduce our consumption, there'll be a decrease in output from companies. for long, we've had a linear economy focused on growth, but that practice is not sustainable, and we'll notice soon that trying to grow continually, we'll collapse.
everyone becomes a victim from climate change so everyone should take some form of responsibility in it.
i think that some people hyperbolate the effects of climate change (e.g. we'll die in 12 years), but to ignore CM as a whole is really dumb. the proponents of CM are pushing things that are common sense like using cleaner forms of energy, switching to a linear economy and reducing our waste and consumption.

A silly assumption that's disproved daily.

Based anti-natalist
but it's not like there was any chance of that happening even if you wanted it to

Why do people still believe in this "climate change will kill us" meme when the biggest environmental hazard we're about to face is the overpopulation in Africa?

sum peepl dud da methhh. hurrr.

just kill off china and india

>meme when the biggest environmental hazard we're about to face is the overpopulation in Africa?
Africa is peanuts. SE Asia + India + China contain by themselves like half of the world's population

Seething incel detected.

>wouldn't the carbon tax affect the polluting companies mostly? these companies can either pay the fines, which should then go to funding sustainable alternatives, or dodge the costs by improving their processes.
>Option C.
>Increase price and pass tax onto consumers like every company has done since fucking forever

no, just kill people who spout off alarmist nonsense like the fanatic green faggot in this thread

reminder that it's human overpopulation and its run--on effects that's causing the most environmental degradation, and the only solution is to cull the population by at least half; starting with india and china

>stupid faggots think that environmentalism is just a meme
We have 60 years left until we permanently destroy our own capacity to grow food
scientificamerican.com/article/only-60-years-of-farming-left-if-soil-degradation-continues/
We have 100 years left until all insects on Earth are dead and life on this planet's surface fucks itself
washingtonpost.com/science/2018/10/15/hyperalarming-study-shows-massive-insect-loss/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2c0b5c25ba0e

Neither of these things are because of climate change they are due to agribusiness destroying the soil.

What will you faggots do when it becomes impossible to grow food?

Remember when "scientists" told everyone that the world is falling apart because of global cooling? What happened to that?

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>What will you faggots do when it becomes impossible to grow food?
I'm a breatharian. Check mate, matter-consumers.

This. Soils degradation and massive aquifer draining are going to hit the fan very shortly but it's all muh climate change need muh solar panels.

Enjoy having no food and no water.

Fucking filthy cotton pleb who doesn't use parachute silk eco bags detected.

They fold up to fit in a pocket so you always have a fuck off level strong bag handy.

The things you discover when you have a girlfriend Yea Forums.

A carbon tax getting through wouldn't be enough
Actual regulation of policy that was more "if you don't adhere to these environmental standards you'll be fined so severely your company will have to declare bankruptcy" would actually affect them
There's a million ways the can dodge the cost of "carbon tax"
In reality I think that the harvesting of nations' natural resources should be left up to national programs instead of extranational corporations that don't give a shit about the damage they cause to a country they have no loyalty to or aren't even based in
Look at BP and the Deepwater Horizon bullshit or the myriad other oil fuckups
It's always management going "to hell with the regulations time is money" and then causing hundreds of billions of dollars of long-term environmental damage and then shrugging off resulting fines and none of them go to jail
White collar crime causes infinitely more damage than blue collar crime but penalizing it is impossible with the current system

>lol there's no environment problem bro. who cares what these "science men" say, /pol/ told me they're full of shit XD

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>reminder that it's human overpopulation and its run--on effects that's causing the most environmental degradation
literal fake news propragated by corporate think-tanks to be spouted by media talking heads
again, even if half the world dissappears or goes vegan or all the other shit, the corporations doing the deforestation, water harvesting, fracking, mining, drilling and all other shit would keep on going because they have no reason to stop, which would still generate that 2/3rds of the world's pollution
The only option is to either regulate and enforce the entirety of the corporate strata or kill them

Oh yes

>a headcase on a Cambodian basket weaving forum is a "science man"

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The ultimate blackpill.

Not him, and I agree with you, but you are equating the growing problem of epic city scale landfills with plastic bags. People reusing plastic as bin liners is a type of efficiency, them winding up in a landfill is part of a greater problem that needs solving.

I know venezuelan people, im not from US. They are desperate, and many of their university titles are trash.
If you like that a military sphere controls you everything you do, controls when you live, and if you dont like it, they will put you in jail, its ok, but dont say it like that is heaven.
They are false socialist, they want to control you, like the corporations, but also, controlling the goverment, laws directly. Its a distopian society where one corporation controls everything you own and is good. They use the "america is evil" narrative to make their authoritarism a good thing.
The opposition are fascist and the goverment too. There arent good guys any of them.
I too want free education, but i dont want to lick someones boot and be a good boy to the State. And by State i mean corrupted motherfuckers, the good ones left by force. By the corrupted leeches seeking money.

Yes, for now. But if current predictions are right, Africa will experience an exponential raise in population that the world simply isn't capable of dealing with assuming we don't have any major technological discoveries to enhance productivity in the continent in the following decades.

I say we fuck the world and let the zoomers deal with it hahah

In the next 25 years fiat currency will collapse, the environment will go apeshit (B-BUT MUH LIBERALS, IT'S PROPAGANDA, EVERYTHING IS FINE!), full automation will fuck over 95% of workers, debt based economy will crash, and designer babies will replace organic humans. It's not going to be nice, meanwhile fucking retarded amerimutts are too busy calling anyone who wants to do something about the planet a jew. Fucking morons, imagine a world without amerisharts and their dead weight holding us back

what the heck is that

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more like the absolute majority of scientists in the field

This is all I have.

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All internet goes down and doesn't come back up.

>the corporations doing the deforestation, water harvesting, fracking, mining, drilling and all other shit would keep on going because they have no reason to stop
>what is reduction of market
Jesus christ this is capitalism 101 even for the most entry-level communists.

further research

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>designer babies will replace organic humans
And also die. They're not replicants.

>textbooks aren't included
Textbooks that are updated every year and you're required to buy it to pass the class because it's got some registration key, even though you never actually use it for anything, should be made illegal. And that's not even starting with the ones where the teachers actually benefit financially from putting a book they've co-written or some shit to the list.

>I know venezuelan people,
The only people who are really complaining are from two strata of Venezuelan society
People who grew up rich or came from rich families before chavez
Or people who are literally paid by the opposition party to riot every few months in a couple days' flareups (where they murder people with molotov cocktails) and then disappear for months on end
Every part of the crisis in venezuela can be traced to foreign money, economic sanctions, the literal withholding of food and specialty goods from venezuelan stores by the corporations, almost none of it has anything to do with Maduro's government
The people who complain the hardest are the ones who have the most to benefit from returning to the hyper-capitalism that existed pre-Chavez, where 95% of the wealth generated in that country was split between foreign governments and an upperclass
The peasant and working class population of Venezuela benefitted so tremendously under Chavez and Maduro that 20-30% of the population are declared "die-hard" supporters, with another fifty percent of the country in favor of the government's policies
You need to look at some pre and post-Chavez statistics and see just how radical the transformation was with even just a few "socialist" policies
It was literally like FDR during and after the great depression

>US bans straws
>A product that account for a tiny fraction of US plastic pollution
>plastic pollution of a country that accounts for 1 percent of total world ocean plastic pollution
>Liberals will still jerk each other off about how they are heroes

All so tiresome.

>They're not replicants.
But the defining part of replicants was that they died.

>dude they'll just keep doing that stuff even though there'll be far less demand for it

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Human get the world they deserve.
Those kids are innocent but bear the sin of their forefather.
They would grow up to be despicable. Now they'll die while retaining any bit of innocence they have

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If you weren't an unskilled burger flipper you'd know the insane amounts of cash western countries spend to make industries green. A power plant down in the states just spent 300 million dollars on a limestone scrubber to clean waste of H2S and other sulfates and sulfides. You think chinks or street shitters are spending a fraction of that on something as mundane as a garbage can? Non-whites are the reason why the world is such a polluted shit hole. Of the few white garbage scandals, if you dig deep enough you actually find kike hands behind shit like dumping toxic waste in the ocean.

THIS. The fucking corporations pull the same shit all the time where they put the blame on the average citizen and try and get us to bicker with each other while they just get richer. The fucking propaganda for people to help the environment was absurd, and people fell for it. Folks will act like you are literally Hitler if you admit to leaving a light bulb on that you're not using, meanwhile, corporations and commercial industries are leaving thousands of light bulbs on every hour and treating our oceans like a giant toilet. But I'd better recycle and not use straws, or I'm an asshole!

>what is reduction of market
>user still thinks supply and demand has anything to do with the "real market"
>user doesn't realize that the corporations who already own the government overproduce to the point that millions of tons of food go to waste, oil sits in tankers unused, lumber rots in yards etc and the companies get their puppets to pass legislation subsidizing their wasteful destructive production so they can keep going
>user hasn't paid attention to the overproduction and overharvesting that has been going on since the reagan era in every industrial field

Here is what is going to happen
>Extreme famines will hit India, China, and the rest of the region in the next 10 years. This will happen due to the complete depletion of their soils and surrounding ecosystems. Nobody is willing or able to stop this from happening.
The effects of this famine will spread into the ME and Africa since they depend so heavily on imported food.
The resulting refugee crisis will be GG for Europe and Australia. You guys literally do not have enough bullets to kill everyone who will want to come in, and your leaders won't be willing to do so in the first place.

This will be the death of a substantial fraction of everyone living in Eurasia, and also Africa.

Hopefully this will be a wake up call for the Americas to get their act together and mitigate the aggressiveness of agribusiness practices. NA and SA will be insulated from the fallout because of their oceanic borders. If they fail to learn from this then the whole song and dance will repeat 10 years later.

This will be the end of human civilization as we know it.

>You need to look at some pre and post-Chavez statistics and see just how radical the transformation was with even just a few "socialist" policies
That's historically what has happened with every socialist country before they degrade into a state of absolute chaos causing them to go back to square 1 or even below that.
Meanwhile undeveloped countries that adhere to capitalism not only see improvements in life quality that far surpass those of their socialist counterparts but also tend to only improve.

Realistic.
Fell for too many memes.

>Communism never harmed the envri-

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What's the second pic the red one

>the solution to these problems is making government stronger

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>companies love wasting resources and money because it means they get to lobby politicians to make it so they get money to waste money and resources
top kok

>global warming is the most serious problem of the age, we need to reduce emissions right now or the planet is doomed
>we also need more immigrants in every western nation

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CAN SOMEONE POST ONE STUDY PROVING WITHOUT A DOUBT THAT WE WILL RUIN THE EARTH WITHIN THE NEXT 100 YEARS YOU CAN'T THERE ARE NONE

who are (You) quoting

>That's historically what has happened with every socialist country
As the entire western world sanctions them, sabotages their business and agriculture and literally "liberates" the people in order to install puppet governments
>Meanwhile undeveloped countries that adhere to capitalism not only see improvements in life quality that far surpass those of their socialist counterparts but also tend to only improve.
Oh yeah, a certain strata of society benefits, but the majority populace sees the further consolidation of wealth, defunding of social programs, pollution, stagnating wages and all the other shit that leads to another crisis point forcing radical reform/revolution
They have roads now, but they fall apart and need repair every few months and the corporation doing it cuts costs
They have schools now with thirty year old textbooks and a budget that gets cut by their oligarchy to subsidize the corporations there to "entice" them to create more jobs that still pay the same shit wage and no benefits
>he thinks they're wasting money when they get subsidized to the point they're making money hand over fist
>user doesn't know about CORN

>overpopulation is a serious threat
>please flood Western countries with third-world immigrants by the millions

I said human you stupid faggot. Chinkoids are not human.

There is none and there will probably never be because environmental research is both inherently political and unpredictable.

Its actually 10 years max before we are fully in shit. We went over caring capacity a while ago and we are making landfills instead of more farms.

You discover that you're gay?

more like we need to take responsibility for our retarded invasions that ultimately resulted in broken down states aswell as supporting certain sides in conflicts with arms and supplies. aswell as we need to take responsibility for arbitrarily drawing up borders in two continents

those practices can be changed. what can't be changed is 800 million indians shitting into the ocean, and 1.5 billion chinese with mouths to feed. the removal of their presence would have only a positive effect on the planet

i know poor venezuelan people. the richs went to america, im not from US. The goverment now are not socialist, they implement a few socialist ideas, to have a hold on the working class population, when they leech the country. They dont want to socialism to thrive ,they use it to get rich. And maintaining that status quo of corruption by force. The ones that wanted a change, now are gone. Segregated by the groups of corrupt and rich people.

You tell me, what is the difference, if a bank owns your house, or the goverment owns your house?
If you like oppresion, militaries on goverment and pseudo-socialism to controll people, just say you like fascism.

>liberals tweet out some posts about global warming while not actually enforcing or ATTEMPTING any sort of policy to reduce pollution
>simultaneously they want an illiterate voterbase on their plantation who will loyally vote for them in every election because that's the way they keep their poverty-welfare state active
>user thinks that the liberals had any interest or conviction in climate change in the first place and weren't just playing the publicity game

some polluted river in china probably i think

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You'll get them whether you like it or not, retardbro

Glaciers in the Himalayan mountains are the source for the Yellow, Ganges, Indus, Mekong, and Irrawaddy. A 1.5c rise in temperature (something that's supposed to happen by 2030) will present a 35% drop in glacial volume. 50% will be gone by 2100.
bbc.com/news/science-environment-47122641
The region is already, at this very moment, feeling drought conditions due to a reduction in water.

What do you think will happen when 2 billion asians lose access to water? Where do you think they will go?

The removal of 1% of the world's population would have a much better immediate and long-lasting effect
The plebs will continue to breed and multiply, the oligarchy needs much longer to get to the place it is now
Why kill billions to delay something only a couple decades when you can kill thousands and halt the issue?

Man, they have free Hawaiian Punch rivers in China? Will the west ever recover?

>no liberal has ever criticized capitalism
What am I reading

scientificamerican.com/article/only-60-years-of-farming-left-if-soil-degradation-continues/

>arbitrarily draw up borders in two continents
>Tribes kill each other because they don't like the other tribe

>Pre-arbitrarily drawing up borders in two continents
>Tribes kill each other because they don't like the other tribe

Yeah sure is whiteys fault.

1.5 billion chinese mouths eating rice is less environmentally ravaging than 300million americans eating meat three times a day

>As the entire western world sanctions them, sabotages their business and agriculture and literally "liberates" the people in order to install puppet governments
Communist superpowers did/do the same thing and they all turned into shitholes. Don't blame the "muh sanctions" and "muh imperialism" for the failure that is socialism.

>Oh yeah, a certain strata of society benefits, but the majority populace sees the further consolidation of wealth, defunding of social programs, pollution, stagnating wages and all the other shit that leads to another crisis point forcing radical reform/revolution
Say that to SE asian countries. This sort of thing only happens in latin america which has a tendency to reelect left-leaning politicians after the initial capitalistic jump.

Reminder that Globalism and Environmentalism are the antithesis of one another.

Unfortunately global warming/climate change has become a partisan issue meaning any articles or news on this topic are very suspect.

The truth is that the Sun regularly goes through cycles of activity. This influences the overall climate of Earth among other things. We are still currently exiting the last ice age. It's completely normal for the caps to melt and the climate to warm.

The question is whether human activity has had any meaningful impact in multiplying the rate of the natural cycle on Earth, which I would argue it probably has by a small amount. But the Earth was going to get warmer anyway, we can't change the output of the Sun itself. It's human hubris to think we're going to turn the Earth into Venus overnight. Political scaremongering.

However that's not to say we shouldn't be reusing and recycling, and looking towards renewable energy. Nuclear power paired with hydropower is the answer that's often overlooked (solar and windfarms are largely a meme).

>What do you think will happen when 2 billion asians lose access to water? Where do you think they will go?
does that mean i will get an asian gf?
wtf i love climate change now

He's quoting the UN for example.

un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/ageing/replacement-migration.shtml

Except Chinese eat a fucking SHIT LOAD of meat

No American eats meat 3 times a day, dipshit

>1.5 billion chinese mouths eating rice is less environmentally ravaging than 300million americans eating meat three times a day
1.5B Chinese mouths eating rice that was delivered in plastic packaging and then tossing it into the Texas-sized ocean garbage patch is shit

usatoday.com/story/tech/science/2018/09/07/great-pacific-garbage-patch-where-did-all-trash-come/1133838002/

and you think those chinese won't start eating more meat as they make more money? you think they won't start driving more cars? buying more plastic garbage?

dog has a far smaller environmental impact than cow

Kek

No, only those two. Poo niggers can't even keep their sacred rivers clean, they don't give a shit about anything.

>one of the most realistic environmental threats is overpopulation
>let's keep giving shithole countries free aid so that they can keep pumping out babies at an exponential rate without producing anything, this will certainly fix the problem with diminishing resources

I fall into this category. I’m super into the idea of self reliance and disconnecting from the industrial world, but I’m also a cook that fully takes advantage of modern bullshit cooking appliances and conveniences.

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>pay taxes in venezuela or just happen to be born there
>get free government housing with utilities
>get healthcare and education
>get food delivered to your doorstep if you can't afford it
>get welfare that actually is liveable

>pay monthly payments on a house owned by a bank
>they can modulate the price at any point and kick you out for any post-contract revision they want on top of you having to pay for the utilities yourself
>welfare/unemployement in the US is so shit you have to resort to full-time work to subsidize it, which on its own isn't enough to live on and the corporation has the option of terminating you at any point for any reason with no repercussions

Again, you need to check the statistics and actually talk to people in venezuela, not the specific quasifascist stratum that regularly visits Yea Forums to talk about how the congo man fucked up their neighborhood
soundcloud.com/eyesleft/venezuela
youtube.com/watch?v=_fV-C1Ag5sI
Because you people need a trigger warning: It is a video SHITTING on John Oliver and pointing out how much of a liberal shill he is
Liberals support fascism as long as they get some kickback in the form of a check

I don't care about future generations of people, just future generations of animals and plants.

>They dont want to socialism to thrive ,they use it to get rich
That's what socialism is. Don't be fooled by the claim that socialism is for the wealth of all.

imagine living in china

See

But the whole run-up was energy related, not banking / housing.

>tfw you're in that sweet spot where you'll be dead before the great famine

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>Liberals support fascism

When will people read books about what fascism actually is and stop using it as a catch all buzzword for big bad gubmints?

You can probably have motorsport in a world where people don't use a fucking SUV to drive to the convenience store and mcdonalds drive through

Wasn't there studies that showed the world was actually hotter in the past 5 or 6 centuries, with places like northernmost Canada and Greenland actually being habitable? Like you said, it's very hard to take studies on the environment at face value.

based and redpilled

Reminder it isn't pollution it's the clathrate gun that's going to kill us all

>but on the other hand i love motorsport
The dumbest and most boring sport ever invented by mankind

>links a video from empire files with abby martin who gets paid by the Venezuelan Government

i didnt say a carbon tax is sufficient. it's simply one of the tools being used. but yes, governments should be harsher with their environmental standards.
in any case, i agree with most of your post. i think we need a societal shift. move away from fossil fuels into cleaner and renewable forms of energy. this takes time and there are still design constraints for a lot of these clean energies so something like the Green New Deal is not realistic in any way.
the only thing i sort of disagree with is having energy managed by the government. the pitfall with this is if the government, like the current American one, doesn't care about the environment and pushes for coal and oil. in an ideal world, the government is there to benefit its people

this is what i hope for, also many scientist say its too late already. the human cancer will soon be gone, im so happy

I like how lefties arguments are always vague or straight out name calling.
i wonder why

the whole lead-up was loan/credit-related user
housing loans were a major part of it, but just like the great depression, it was credit loans based on credit based on the perception of money backing it
Loans based on loans based on loans ad infinitum
Every time the market gets deregulated that begins to happen and has resulted in several slumps and crisis in the last 100 years
The collaboration of the financial sector and government continues this cycle, fucking billions of people and walking away as multibillionaires
Liberals supported Hitler until they realized that if Britain and France lost the war we'd lose their debts to us
Liberals put Pinochet and the other SA puppet governments in place
Liberals are the PR branch of the ultrarich user
There is a reason that every liberal talking head on the television is a millionaire
They have no actual morals or ethical standard and only spout idpol platitudes to make the masses THINK they have an interest in the individual

>asia exists
>the west thinks anything they do will help the world without turning everything from Syria to eastern China into a glass crater first
Silly.