RENEWED FOR S3

>someone effort posts on STD
>has anything to do with speculating about business / money
>"OMFG MIDNIGHT'S EDGE SHILL! MODDDDS"
ME Derangement Syndrome is real. The 25% posting drove these contrarians absolutely insane

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Nah, CBS just needs Star Trek because then more people would abandon the streaming service (what few are left).

If they cancel the show it will make them look bad.

Then why were shills posting it 24/7 on here?

>Getting THIS defensive over a garbage YouTube channel

Shill your outrage videos elsewhere, incel.

>people post fake news on the internet and i just believe it

>i'm gonna blame the reasonable user who keeps his cool for "getting THIS defensive" instead of the literal butthurt fag who has to bring bitching about ME into every comment about what might happen with STD
it's like you're not even trying

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When will the pain stop?

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>It has to be politics over profits
>Intentionally trolling old fans
You sort of need to pick one, because trek, and trek fandom has been really left leaning for a long time, and not at all subtle about its agenda. If anything, the oversimplified ham-fisted left-leaning politics is literally the ONLY thing that's at all trek-like in STD

Honestly, it's probably this Getting an established streaming service with an established household-name water-cooler-talk prestige show is really Really REALLY desirable right now, to the point that taking a loss for a while to take more shots at it is worth it. They can't justify having a streaming service if nothing is on it, and their other attempts at emulating HBO's model are still in production, so they have to churn out more stale un-trek milquetoast to keep what little subscriber base they already have.

based

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Viacom spends millions on a show nobody watches.

That's showing us!

>The Good Fight takes 1 blue 70's track suit
>The Young and the Restless takes another 70's track suit
>CSI Baltimore takes every Klingorc outfit and bit of latex
that still leaves about $10M in glowy blue starship set pieces and 999 blue 70's tracksuits to dispose of. No way they're going to shut down nuTrek production anytime soon. Even if they get rid of STD next year, we're stuck with several more iterations before they admit defeat

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>trek, and trek fandom has been really left leaning

Trek was about classical liberals, not identity politics spewing psychotic nu-liberals.

spoken like a retarded zoomer

CBS has literally nothing else for their streaming service. This is their flagship show, never mind the people producing it are pushing are doing it for their own egos now. It will go 4 seasons just they can say "It was more successful than TOS! Take that incels!" All the while CBS will be floundering till they find some other shows to put on their service.

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i still havent seen a single episode.
i dont even know how to watch this show.
is it not on tv or netflix or premium cable?
waste of time to find out how when i can just fire up netflix and watch whatever whenever.

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>trek fandom has been really left leaning for a long time
>i have no idea what "left leaning" actually means in the context of Star Trek and the 1960s-90s

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I assume because they already have paid for the sets and actors that they figure it's probably more profitable to drag it out rather than scrap what they have. I never see fans of this show.

>Empress shows up
>She is stronk womanz
>Immediately declares that men are dumb, children suck, and women cannot be successful if they have either.

Literally never saw an episode of this. I'm still pissed Sasha was killed off to lead STD.

This is supposed to be a chronological sequel to Enterprise and a prequel to TOS? Do they have any cameos or references to the old series?

Any spoiler or leaks on who/what the red angel is?

That might be true about the left at the time the original trek was produced, but not so much for Trek itself. Trek has been pushing pro-diversity, pro-cooperation, and a future where cooperation, diversity, and literal globalism are what saves and elevates humanity... since its inception. Rodenberry demanded a racially diverse cast, including a positive portrayal of a Russian (cold war was still going on,) Let That Be Your Last Battlefield is PURE identity politics, and MLK was the one who talked "Nichelle Nichols" into playing Uhura.

Perhaps its more pronounced with STD because the echo chamber of the internet is there to amplify criticism, and/or because unlike the other treks, there isn't much worthwhile to distract from the lefty politics, and/or because previous treks were ensemble shows where at-least one character would work as a self-insert while STD is single-protagonist driven show with a particularly poorly written protagonist of color, and/or because your current reaction to lefty politics is not the same as it was when your younger self was first exposed to trek.

Well they are gonna show off Spock, Pike and the old Enterprise so yeah. I mean the main character is Spock's foster sister.

The excuses get more pathetic from people who just want it cancelled.

Do people even want it to be cancelled? From what I see people mostly just agree that it's bad and make fun of it for being bad.

I don't like it but if they make another 10 season I won't be foaming at the mouth as I basically stopped having any interest in the series after the first couple episodes.

SeeTrek has not always been "left for its time." Trek has always been socially left as we understand it today, regardless of what the spectrum of the time was, forced diversity and all (literally forced, as Roddenberry literally forced it on the studio.) If anything, the fact that politics have shifted such that the particular brand of pro-diversity-globalism that Trek always represented is now promoted by real flawed people in politics, instead of just in pretend sci-fi marxist utopia, is what makes it so unpalatable now, when it wasn't before.

I was really hoping it would be cancelled, this is so disappointing.

but do you not understand that when you use the term "leftist", it has an inevitable connotation that does not serve the discussion? If you must divide the political spectrum up between left/right and only so, then yeah.. you'ld have to put Star Trek on the left side of the dividing line. But it would be a mistake to call it a "leftist" show.

It was made with a strong midwestern, white, protestant Christian "socially progressive" ethos that is itself a product of Scandinavian immigrants and Quakers. That is distinctly different than the current socialist/communist college campus / modern hollywood chic notion of "progressivism". All of those guys back in the TOS days had a long list of "progressive" fantasies, but it was more a product of being utopian idealists who were projecting a future for white men beyond (the inevitable) nuclear WW3. They were not globo-communists.

>inb4 citing Uhura's-Kirk kiss
>inb4 citing muh no money in the future

>doing this much mental gymnastics to seperate "the okay progressives" from "the Reddit progressives."

You're right that left/right model is reductive, that's what models do. You're right that the most vocal progressives on the internet today are the most annoying variety. However, this is a fucking Gene Rodenberry quote
>“If man is to survive, he will have learned to take a delight in the essential differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that differences in ideas and attitudes are a delight, part of life's exciting variety, not something to fear
If he were alive today, he would have posted that on Reddit, and probably would have been the worse for the zeitgeist there. However, at its core, the progressive ideals of Diversity-Good, Prejudice-Bad, Cooperation-Good, Conflict-Bad, Charity-Good, Selfishness-Bad are just as endemic to "the good scandanavian progressives" as it is to modern progressives... and that doesn't undercut how annoying they are in their presentation of it, nor does it undercut how fucking awful STD is at its core.

Literal forced diversity, and a moral that diversity is strength has always been a part of trek.

>“If man is to survive, blah blah content of character not color of skin
the most basic of basic-bitch mainstream white liberal (aka "classically liberal") platitudes. Literally every boomer and older that considered themselves "moderate" would give a respectful nod to such opinions (until their truly leftist peers began repulsing them in the 90's)

>If he were alive today, he would have posted that on Reddit...
That reasoning -never- works, user. It's the shit-eating cousin of smugly judging the past by modern values. I wouldn't for a second assume anybody invested in showbiz would take a stand against the current rabid left, but i also wouldn't assume Gene would be posting critical theory screeds on Reddit. If I had to guess, I'd guess he would attempt what MacFarlane is doing, which is to pick one or two b.s. lefty causes to fly up the flagpole (in Seth's case, gayniggers) in exchange for being allowed to hold the "classically liberal" line on everything else.

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Just give me more Expanse!

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>muh "Classical Liberal" meme
Look, you're on a fucking image-board. There's no need to dog whistle. Nothing about *cough* "Classical Liberals" *cough* meshes with ((Roddenberry)) or the ideology ((The Federation.))

Because S1 was free thanks to netflix and cbs execs need to justify their failed subscription service.

>let's paint everything left of Hitler with one brush
I admire your desire for simplicity. I truly do. And if this -weren't- a safe-space image-board, i'd be right there stonewalling the kikes with you. But getting high on your own supply to the extent that you can't have a nuanced discussion, doesn't really leave anybody better off. You're meme-ing to the choir, user, and again, it does not serve the discussion.

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i dropped it when the killer planet was a good guy all along. did tilly saved it?

I'll watch it just because it triggers alt-right incels.

>RENEWED FOR S3
I refuse to believe that this is true. This world is not so rotten.

PETITION TO CHANGE NAME FROM STD TO STAR TREK: AIDS

lol, Midnight's Edge btfo'd

You're still watching both though, aren't you, sci-fag?

sounds a lot like you've never watched star trek buddy

Probably Spock from the future.

It's Michael Burnham

Would the people complaining about this show being too progressive have been the same people who complained about Kirk kissing Uhura?

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the only reason they don't complain about the politics of previous trek shows is because they watched them as kids before they gave a crap about any of that stuff.

FUCK

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>let's compare today with literally a half a fucking century ago and pretend nothing has changed and meaningful inferences/predictions can be drawn.
i fucking despise dismissive "____ has always been ____" shilling coming from intellectual children and literal zoomers as if they could have any insight whatsoever and aren't just repeating meme opinions, most of them from scum-sucking hives of degeneracy like reddit

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>season 3

No, just no.

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It seems to me like part of the point of Star Trek back then, (especially that episode) was to be politically provocative. You could say they were 'forcing politics' into the show. I don't see what's all that different today. Honestly, I don't see how STD is all that progressive to begin with. I guess it has gays and blacks on the show, but if that's really too much for you to handle, then I'm sorry for you.

clueless shill poster. watch some star trek and tell me sjws wouldnt hate it.

since the republicans and democrats switched places around the time of the original series you could just as easily state:

>star trek has always been republican

it's all semantics and ignorance from people who never watched the show at all. progressive in the 1960's and during TNG and DS9 and even ENT were all rigidly opposed to the type of people who today call themselves progressive.

I suspect its a mix of trannies and marketing employees pushing this "star trek was always on our side" meme.

If it were true, then nobody would have a problem with the politics this series and the creators are infested with and it wouldn't seem so "anti-trek"

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>the politics this series and the creators are infested with
What specifically do people find so objectionable, politics wise, about STD? Is it really just the black female lead?

Star Trek has always been about social progress and forward-thinking. By definition that means it should be more progressive than it was half a century ago.

okay so this has been answered every single trek thread and when its answered you just ask the same thing again. Because of this i'm not even going to bother answering you except for this part.

>is it the black female lead?

nothing to do with that you total newfag.

its not the fact that shes a black female lead so much as the fact that her entire character and the entire series revolves around the fact that shesthe black female lead

I don't go into every single Trek thread, I have things to do most of the day. I'm asking in good faith, I genuinely think the SJW thing has been a bit overblown.

the show has a rigid backbone that is at odds entirely with modern progressives. every single captain and all of star fleet would have stood against modern progressives as they are basically nuts/fascist/authoritarian, pro censorship and anti science.

>I don't see what's all that different today.
that's because you take as a given this "moral arc of the universe bends towards justice" shit and that progressivism is some kind of law of nature. It ain't. It's an assumption not shared by the vast majority of humans alive and who have ever lived, since their lives are governed by common sense and observable reality, not unicorn farts from effete and decedent 21st century westerners.

Consider the possibility that the issues addressed in Star Trek -may- have been discreet issues and were interpreted as such by the audience. Maybe they just felt how they felt about -race- and it wasn't just another stepping stone along the "progressive agenda". I don't understand why in the past ~10 years so many have taken to assuming that just because a show included X from their politics that it must also imply Y and Z. Nobody assumes the 80's TOS films are implicitely fascist just because those WOK uniforms are really snazzy.

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Yes.
Also they think s1 klingons are MAGAhats when they are mostly Isis.

I don't think they ever acknowledge the fact that she's black though? Or even female, as far as I recall.

BOREVILLE BTFO

The social justice stuff had never really been subtle in Star Trek though.

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They're the ones wasting money to push an agenda. They're the ones blowing themselves out.

Alright well there are points in the show like making an example of the white male "mansplainer" in season 2 episode 1 which are throughout the whole first season as well and feel entirely anti trek and vindictive. This isnt really the issue though.

The show doesnt have that much sjw stuff in it, it's the production teams comments, interviews and the marketing surrounding the show that is heavily politically extreme.

For example: the klingons were stated to be modelled after trump supporters. One of the production team stated that if you are a trump supporter then "dont watch this show, it's not for you". There is loads more.

The main thing is the show never belonged to this group of anti white anti male progressives. The show always belonged to the reasonable ones, we are trek fans. we are raised by trek and our politics mirror it. Now we are being attacked by it. The show has always been made by people like us, and we became us because of it's ideology.

This new show is a completely separate ideology and it's directly opposed to ours and trek's ideology. It attacks us for skin colour and race and is anti science and anti reason and anti tolerant as another user said and when we complain about the change from reasonableness to "FUCK DRUMPFGFF FUCK WHITEY" some asshole from their marketing team comes in and says "uhum. no sweety. star trek was ALWAYS progressive so get out"

where /trek/?

ye it just never felt obnoxious till STD

not everything is so literal, my literally autistic friend

Why does diversity literally always have to be visible? Why is it never having a German, a Frenchie, a Russian, a Hungarian, etc.?

they do acknowledge it and "oppression" in one of the first episodes despite canonically black white racism not being a thing for hundreds of years.

mods finally got off their asses and deleted it because its nothing but a group of tripfags and their beta orbiters jerking each other off

It's a prestige project at this point so of course they're renewing it. Jessica Jones is also getting a third season even though everything else has been cancelled, including the only show that was actually popular (Daredevil).

>not identity politics
sisko wants a word with you

>white male "mansplainer"
I didn't interpret this as a condemnation of mansplaining. It seems like a pretty common trope of fiction; an overconfident / arrogant character getting killed because they don't listen to the hero. I agree that it felt a little mean spirited for Star Trek, but I didn't see it as being a political statement.

> it's the production teams comments, interviews and the marketing surrounding the show
I don't pay attention to this stuff. If it's not in the actual show, it really doesn't concern me.

I've heard the thing about the Klingons being Trump supporters before, but I never really saw the connection at all, so that didn't bother me either.

>It attacks us for skin colour and race
When does it do this? There are plenty of white characters who are good people. One of the main villains (I guess anti hero is a better word now) is a Malaysian woman.

wait we're not allowed generals? it was the least cancerous general on Yea Forums

sisko had precisely 1 identity politics episode in all of ds9 and the actor was opposed to it. In an interview the actor said he chose the role because he was playing a man, not a black man, and that is what is good about star trek.

"Captain, did I ever tell you about my adopted sister Michael Burnham? When we first met I retreated into my room and slammed the door in response to her greetings. In retrospect that reaction was most illogical. In time however I soon became what she affectionately referred to as her little shadow. She was the very first human to ever attend the Vulcan Learning Center, which regrettably was bombed by logic extremists. Apparently Michael was clinically dead for 3 minutes before my father performed a mind meld to revive her. As a result of this the two were later able to telepathically communicate across interstellar distances and share physical sensations. She then ran away from home, but by a stroke of fortune a being called the Red Angel relayed her whereabouts back to me so that we could track her down. Subsequently and out of concern for my own safety, she deeply hurt me so that I would retreat away from her and the danger posed by the logic extremists. This injury, which as I hope you will understand is too painful for me to expound upon at this time, caused me to withdraw socially and lose a great deal of trust in people. It may have caused permanent degradation on my mental state, captain, for as little as 8 years ago, when you were serving as a gunner on the USS Farragut, I had myself committed to a psychiatric unit due to my violent psychopathy. Most illogical that was, in retrospect. My recollections are imperfect, but during my escape from the facility I may have killed three of my doctors. Despite everything, my sister never wavered in her attempt to repair our relationship. She was an amicable relative."

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sisko had like one episode where he got mad about the 60s, the entire series didnt revolve around how he was a strong black woman who dont need no man, and if anything, his strong family values and standards and self respect are a spit in the face of modern identity politics

I don't remember that. I know there's a lot of stuff about her Vulcan upbringing, but never anything about her being black. It's been a while since I watched the first season though.

it was the least cancerous general on Yea Forums a year ago maybe, not anymore

honey attracts insects

>tfw there's more Trek discussion in these STD meme threads than the actual general

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the skin colour and race thing is the production team. you need to do your research on the show if you want to see why trek fans hate it. I mean I just stated it outright to you but you argue and rebut as if it makes a difference, we hate the show because of this, those are the facts. The show got in with the last jedi, female ghostbusters crowd as far as marketing and production crew were concerned, and the proof is in the pudding man, this is the most unpopular trek of all time.

I personally don't think the show is bad at all, though the orville is far better in my book. I just oppose the show on the grounds that politically its disgusting and not trek and production wise its not trek, but as a random sci fi i watch and enjoy.

the recent orville threads are where the real civil discussion tends to be.

that *clap* was *clap* 50 *clap* years *clap* ago. Did I put it in language you could understand?

I used to get smug towards people that used the term "over-socialized" to describe leftoids and normie drones, but I'm seriously coming around to it being a valid theory. Everything is seen through the prism of social signaling, >implications, "dog whistling", and "gaslighting". You can't fathom that with the Uhura kiss or the Last Battlefield facepaint guys, IT WAS JUST ABOUT THE ISSUE OF RACE. They weren't trying to signal "we're totally on the Progressive side so assume we're with the entire platform". You are literally projecting an ethos / political sensibility onto 50 years in the past, probably because you're desperate to feel like you're part of some steady, meaningful, "time honored" noble tradition and not just a new wave of vandals who use dishonesty and hyperbolic rhetoric to trick normies into giving them the chance to make the world a worse place.

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Can you imagine how reactionary Culture Warriors would react to Star Trek Voyager (1995) coming out today?

>muh stronk independent female captain don't need no man
>post-religion 24th century spiritual Native American Man
>Paris is a paper thin attack on PRIVILEGED WHITE MALES
>B'Elanna "racemixing is okay" Torres
>WE WUZ VULCANZ AND SHIET

This basically. A group of political extremists took control of star trek for this series. It's very noticable and just like the other cases you mentioned this franchise is suffering for it as the new political extremist owners hate the audience (white males).

Well okay. I guess if you're annoyed at the marketing that's one thing. As I said, I don't pay attention to the actor's Twitter accounts for instance.

>this is the most unpopular trek of all time.
It's only Season 2 user. TNG was hated before it started getting good around late Season 2 (even then, there were awful episodes dotted throughout Season 2)

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I live in a particularly liberal part of southern california and I don't know anyone that thinks STD is good. I work with literal subreddit moderators that think it's crap.
I don't understand how this show has an audience.

probably episode 2 if you want to go back.

you are correct but the leftists here will see your post and not understand it. In their mind not being racist IS being left wing. They totally ignore the extremism and hate for white males the left espouse everywhere today

I don't quite understand your point. I'm not as immersed into the 'internet culture war' as you clearly are. What exactly is it about STD that's too progressive for Star Trek?

Nothing the old trekkies said about TNG was wrong. All of it was right. TNG didn't get off the ground until the episodes became character centric in the 3rd season.

Not everyone decides what television shows they like based on their personal politics.

I hope it gets better too and with season 2 there has been signs of this. Half of the hate her is because of the CBS shills coming into these threads and attacking people or coming into orville threads and attacking (assuming thats cbs too and not trannies).

The CBS shills are so rigid that it becomes obvious they aren't allowed to call the show STD under any circumstance.

They have nothing to replace it with.

Tilly gonna get fatter
GayEngi gonna get gayer
GayDoc gonna get more psycho
VoqAsh gonna get more clingy
Burnham gonna get more muh Spock
Saru gonna get more aggressive
there season 3 in a nutshell

>asks the same question that other anons have answered for him already

I said this would happen earlier right?

the actor who played tilly was pregnant half way through season 1 so she will probably lose weight if anything

But my question hasn't been answered yet. I don't recall there being any anti-white male stuff in the show.

the sad thing is that she will probably still be ugly as fuck even after she loses the weight

naw most women get lazy after a kid and don't lose that baby weight or even put on more

Culture Warriors read deeper to find complaints than Social Justice Warriors ever did

>TNG was hated before it started getting good
>I found a newspaper article whereby the reporter found some people who hated it
>therefore, i can confidentially state that TNG was absolutely hated
God have mercy, you're an imbecile. The show obviously got better with S3, but TNG was an absolute success from Season 1. You got memed stupid, son.

It's not that it's "too progressive for Star Trek". You're -still- assuming Star Trek = modern social-political Progressivism however and whenever that's defined. STD has a fuck ton of problems, but ideologically its problem is that it's too narrowly political for any meaningful audience it could possibly have. It's literally made for an audience that doesn't exist in numbers anywhere close to sufficient to justify itself. It's Field of Dreams, "if you build it they will come" -tier stupidity by well-placed, empowered, and educated complete fucking delusional morons.

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>what is so progressive about this show = where is the anti white male stuff in this show

you're very bad at arguments I'm not sure if people like you know how stupid you sound. Sometimes I get the feeling people feel like they're actually clever when arguing in tricks/fallacies instead of actually.

well you can check the first half of season 1 to see her thin version.

>tv incels losing on all fronts
heh, based

Liking STD over orville just shows you don't even like Star Trek

based

The anti-white male thing seemed to be the problem most anons here had, but I don't remember anything like that in the show.

>TNG was an absolute success from Season 1.
This is literally a thread about how STD's been renewed for another season. How was TNG a success, where STD wasn't. If it's because 'everyone hates it', well that's just false. There are plenty of people who seem to enjoy it.

>it's too narrowly political for any meaningful audience it could possibly have
How so?

maybe you arent part of the group being attacked? we are subject to this every where we go for years mate. it's extreme and everywhere. open your blinders and look around. most racism in the world is against white people right now. most sexism against men.

I'm not even complaining, just saying open your god damn eyes. The current world and the actions of so many people must make no sense to you at all if you don't see this.

You're speaking very vaguely though. We're talking about STD; I'm asking for specific examples from the show of how it's supposedly 'anti-white male'. I don't care about your victim complex, or how difficult it is to be white in 2019. For the record, I'm white, but I'm not American.

I gotta assume somewhere that you and are both right. CBS is pretty tight lipped on the ratings but we do know for a fact that there was a brief uptick in All Access subs for the season opener, followed by at least 45% of those new accounts later cancelling. So the overall trend is good start but decaying audience over time.

I suspect that somewhere, money has changed hands between CBS and Netflix. On top of that, they've spent top dollar on production (which is lulz worthy considering it's the worst looking Star Trek ever, and that's saying something compared to TNG/DS9). I suspect that they will try to push Discovery until another live action can be pushed out of the gate. Picard's show will likely result in Patrick Stewart's death from old age before it ever films, and the animated series has made no progress either. Given the fact the movies are dead and buried, STD is now the only game in town, and CBS will milk it all it's worth before finally caving into Viacom. Probs another 5 years of this shit before we get proper trek again.

This like 1000x. I'm not even white and I agree.

hey user treating white people like their existence and their communities are a problem to be solved isn't racism because you cant be racist against white people

>just they can say "It was more successful than TOS! Take that incels!"
You estimate the impact your existence has, incel. No one cares.

>please give me the answer
>i dont like that answer, stop having a victim complex

and thus the idiot will remain an idiot.

Sorry, someone hurt your feefees.

Season 1-2 were hard, hard sells and did horrible ratings before they did a soft reboot by kicking Gene upstairs as an "executive producer" and re-doing everything from scratch, down to the look of the ship. Season 3 was, thankfully, a massive success, and they eventually hit on a winning formula by the time DS9 was ready.

And that's a good thing!

is absolutist thinking some kind of modern mental disorder? I never said "everyone hates" STD. I have repeatedly made allowances for some audience that the show has in some number. I know of no one personally who watches the show, but i'm confident they exist.
>How was TNG a success, where STD wasn't.
because every way which we have to measure tells us TNG was a success from S1 in 1987 and despite removing many of those means, the means we still have do not paint a flattering picture of STD. Even graded on a curve for how fractured the media landscape is today, no reasonable person would conclude STD is a success. It's been renewed for reasons other than it's actually popular and being watched with any meaningful viewership at the present time.
pay attention not just to the themes STD champions but those it eschews as well. They're even more important because they play into what the built-in Star Trek audience -expected- but didn't get.

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oh nononono!

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>cant argue, tries to mock instead
oof, the nasty left is here.

All I'm asking for is specific examples of anti-white male dogma in STD.

You want me to argue about your feelings?

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She is honestly great. She probably understands the problems with STD better than anyone in that cast.

HOWEVER: What was with her acting in the recent episode? was it just me or was it like she having trouble remembering her lines?

It wasnt me that mentioned my feelings. I was just pointing out that the nasty left had apparently arrived.

>Recovery may not be possible.
true
imdb.com/title/tt5171438/reviews?ref_=tt_ql_3

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> it just never felt obnoxious
So you are talking about objective feelings?

>pay attention not just to the themes STD champions but those it eschews as well.
What themes specifically? I'm just asking for concrete examples in the actual show.

>what was the example of A in the show
>oh okay, here's an example for you.
>i dont feel like thats a good example because excuse. give me more so i can also make excuse. then i'll ask the question again like i'm getting somewhere.

dishonest question user, what you should have said was "I will debate anyone who says this show is shit, but i will only use my feelings and ignore the evidence that the whole fanbase hates the show"

no you newfag i mean i wasnt the same user who made the feelings post. dumbass. not everyone is the same person on here. many will mock your answers though as you stick out like you dont belong.

orville is kino. doesn't have to rely on "X is the half-cousin of this old character" or retardgrade meme creatures to keep itself intriguing

I've seen black people say the exact same thing you just did, even including the "open your eyes and the world makes sense" part, except with themselves as the victim. Then, like a white person chimed in and said "I'm white and I agree"

So tell me how STD is anti-white

you know the orville was almost canon star trek? seth approached cbs apparently about a star trek series.

I'm kind of glad it turned out the way it did though cause we get a fresher orville show with cool robots and we get STD to trash.

>racist on the show, racist in real life

How does she keep getting away with it?

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Yikes. You sure showed him. With that hot point you made. That very clear point. What was that point again?

Yeah, I literally can't wait!

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I actually don't really like the show, but I think the SJW stuff surrounding it has been overblown. I don't think the 'mansplaining' thing was a deliberate jab at white males by the showrunners, since it's a trope that's been used in fiction for decades. Is that the only example people can come up with?

to be fair everyone in star trek is racist against different species. it's only a problem in trek when they are racist against subgroups on their own planets for some reason.

the writters,actors, everyone involved, all intentionally treat the presence white people as a problem that needs to be solved at all costs, so discrimination is woven into every fiber of its being, from the way the characters act, to the scenarios they encounter, to the actual actors and people who given jobs working on the show, literally every aspect of the show is forged with the phrase" FUCK CIS WHITE MALES" in mind

you btfo yourself when you called "most racism is against white people" a victim complex. your opinions or views have no weight to anyone here

>>what was the example of A in the show
>>oh okay, here's an example for you.
>>i dont feel like thats a good example because excuse. give me more so i can also make excuse. then i'll ask the question again like i'm getting somewhere.
What's wrong with this, it's literally how an argument works.

>that neck beard

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Is the argument over? Do you have any other examples of anti-white propaganda in STD or not?

One of my guilty pleasures is STD so I'm ok with it

if you think this no wonder you never win arguements and your grades sucked.

It's funny because you or someone accused me of having stopped arguing and started mocking when I only made 3 posts ITT mocking the faggots talking about feelings. Having said this I think you should get laid.

STD season 2 is a dramatic improvement over 1, focusing more on episodic scifi stories than an entire season of WAR FIGHT KILL DEATH KLINGON BAD TRUMP BAD. That being said, it is still deeply entrenched in agenda driven writing, also I'm not sure if this is the directors or actors fault, but Burnham, Tilly and Stamets need to calm their emoting the fuck down. It's embarrassing.

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>Is the argument over
yes
>do you have an-
read thread you got btfo by me, others and then yourself then others and me again. lol

Hey CBS, I still want a Star Trek series that plays after Voyager! And cut all the bullshit and develop a real story with real writers.

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>Imagine feeling threatened by a TV show that leftists are coming to genocide white males

Y I K E S

You sound like an intersectional critical race theorist commenting on how racism permeates minds, society and every social interaction

user i got laid so much i literally broke my dick it fucking sucks i have an operation soon and though i live in aus its gonna cost like 250 just to see the fucking doctor cause its a cock specialist and that isnt covered by our "free health care" apparently.

if they can make trannies these days im sure they can fix my cock though. i'll be alright.

Picard is set post-Voyager.

Lower Decks may be set then too, or TNG-era. Same with Starfleet Academy and the Nickelodeon show.

Depends how many sets they want to re-use. I imagine Discovery and Section 31 will share a lot of assets.

I was given one example that supposedly showed how STD was anti-white male. I disagreed and explained why. I asked for more examples, and then other anons kept deflecting by talking about how hard it is to be a white man. How exactly did I get btfo'd?

those got cancelled i think except picard. season 3 of std is the picard show.

>an user said its hard to be a white man, what nonsense
You just btfo yourself again

>those got cancelled i think except picard
dont tease me like this user, its so very cruel

I don't think I did. Why is it so hard to be a white male today? I'm a white guy, I don't think my life is any harder because of those characteristics.

I've never rooted for a corporate mega-merger in my life, but a Viacom re-merger with an intact Paramount in control of Trek again is the only hope to end this farce, and they may very likely end it swiftly if that happened.

blogposts and youtube vids abound breaking down STD thematically and comparing/contrasting it with canon Star Trek.

saying something as quintessentially Trek-esque as "i don't see race" is more than enough to get you flagged for thoughtcrime. Batman and James Bond exist in a rolling canonical timeline. To SJW bugchasers, Star Trek exists in some kind of rolling social justice timeline where the entire fictional universe gets dragged along and refitted to whatever their current political sensibilities happen to be (which literally can change overnight).

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>season 3 of std is the picard show.
STD just got renewed for a third season though.

kek keep going, describe this.

The one bright side of Viacom taking back trek is that Ron Moore will once again be involved at a high level, so with any luck we'll see a return to True Trek.

yes, but it's the picard show. there is no separate picard show. the next season will be the picard spin off. they had to make a decision whether to still call it std or not and they went with yes i guess.

Why have you just given up arguing?

id rather hear you talk more about this I think everyone would like to hear more

How do you know? This article seems to imply the Picard show is separate from STD season 3.

theverge.com/2019/2/27/18243280/star-trek-discovery-season-3-renewed-cbs-all-access-michelle-paradise-new-showrunner

What more would you like to hear? How is your life harder for being white?

just rumours, the rumours are this season (season 2) ends with picard being introduced / showing up on screen. The rumours also say they are going back to the original idea for STD which was an anthology that covers different crews from different time periods in trek each season.

no no, we want to hear about you. you made the claim. we want to hear about you and this post not me.

tell us more about it.

Its space communism with men in skirts and explicit race and sex equality, you Youtube educated clown.

Would you fuck off already, at least 3 different annon's have given you answers and your only reply is
>Naw not good enough, my feelings say different, actual examples pls

If you can't figure out for yourself STD is anti-white, your a brainwashed fucking faggot or a discord tranny. Either way, fuck off and hang yourself already, I'm sick of reading your shit.

>Its space communism with men in skirts and explicit race and sex equality,
everything in this claim it wrong. kek

I don't know what it is you want me to say. Me being a white guy doesn't really factor into my life in any significant way. I don't see how my life would be any easier if I was born a woman for instance.

>my feelings say different
I gave a tangible reason as to why the 'mansplaining' thing wasn't a satisfying example of the show being anti-white male. So far that explanation has gone unchallenged.

>Nazi incel can't stop projecting

>space communism
no they have money, despite what is said by kirk in one movie the money is shown and used many times on screen
>wear skirts
no, thats just like one episode too and they got rid of it and never mentioned it again
>explicit race and sex equality
did you mean frequent sexism? because it does have that.

did you mean a whole show about races and how they have qualities inherent to their race? cause the show is that.

sounds like you never watched trek at all

>Kirk owns a farm
>even across the eternal silence of the void you can hear Sanders screeching about elites owning too many houses

Yes, kino is all about that soap relationship drama where the sci-fi setting may as well not exist and characters start acting out of character just to forcibly shove more preaching into the show.

hi tranny

The entire cast, the producers, and the writers have gone on MULTIPLE times as to how pozzed they are, and how white people are everything wrong with the world
I'm not gonna give you examples because fucking google exists and your just gonna use muh feelings again.

I'll repeat what i said earlier, if you can't see this for for yourself, your a fucking brain dead faggot or a discord tranny and you should actually kill yourself.

Hollywood is really proving lately that they don’t actually give a shit about the shekels. As long as it’s propaganda, it’s funded at a loss.

I'm not him but tell us all about how it's harder for women and non white people right now and how white people have privilege. I want to hear that.

Actually it’s not at a loss, they’re providing faggots like this further manipulation to solidify their reasoning and acceptance for cultural self destruction.

They're gonna start caring pretty soon when the realize all that propaganda is hurting them financially. Can't do anything without money

I tried googling 'Star Trek Discovery, white people' and didn't get any results of them saying white people are everything wrong with the world. If you're not willing to post any examples, or engage with any of my arguments, there's no need to reply further.

I never said it was harder for women and non white people. I just said I don't think my life has been made any more difficult by my being white and male. How has yours been made more difficult as a consequence of those characteristics?

>at a loss
Just the Netflix deal is enough to keep funding the show if you ask me

I have been hearing there are people in the entertainment industry who are expecting a hard turn around soon

There's also no need for you to fucking breathe faggot, find a bag and tie it around your head...

>most racism in the world is against white people right now. most sexism against men.

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stay mad faggot STD failed like your life did

I haven't watched any of season 2. Can someone give me a brief summary?

How is STD promoting cultural self destruction though?

>no argument

The one who wastes more money and a good IP while being shit is always worse to me.
The other one is harmless.

I think your exact words to the other guy were "victim complex" when he answered you.

We just want to hear about you and your claim user. specifically tell us more about what you said in this post we want to hear you talk about it in more detail. tell us in detail and all the things you are totally treated equal in.

>politically its disgusting and not trek
Except politically is the only way that it IS Trek. It's literally every other aspect of the entire show on every level that misses the point of Trek. The politics are par for the course. What's wrong is
>Writing
>Pacing
>Dialogue
>Makeup
>Set Design
>Internal Technology Timeline Consistency
>Lighting
>Tone
>Unwillingness to focus on any character but a totally unlikable protagonist
>Not a goddamned lick of levity
>Desperately trying to emulate the "season-as-a-storytelling-unit" structure of Westworld/Game-of-Thrones in a context where it doesn't work
>Fundamentally rejecting Roddenberry's core premise of optimism
etc...

It's coming, all the signs are there
>Star Wars, the singular biggest brand in history, is on it's last legs in less than 5 years
>SJW is causing massive financial damage in vidya
>Normies are getting sick of constant preaching
>Despite 6 years of Orange Man Bad shilling from every aspect of the media, Trump is polling with solid numbers and looks to be on track for a comfortable re-election
>Oscars and casual entertainment is at an all time low, while sports and other "extreme" activities keep doing record numbers

It's gonna take a while longer, but theres gonna be a hard slapback

hi tranny

>implying you're not here to bitch about white incels like a braindead sheep

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totally wrong. politically it couldnt be further from any other trek series. its the difference between egalitarianism and feminism.

The STATE of Yea Forums

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I think anyone who blames their problems on their race or gender has a victim complex user.

>tell us in detail and all the things you are totally treated equal in.
I've never been discriminated on based on my race or gender. I'm in uni, I have a scholarship, it's quite easy for me to get jobs. I don't see how I'm being uniquely oppressed. Is that good enough for you?

Whadap, incelboy? Did the white genocide start allready? Where did the black protagonist touch you?
You embarrassing little bitches. Jesus Christ, end your tucking lifes.

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you need to fix this, season 3 of STD and the picard show are the same thing.

also change dsc to STD thanks

also lower decks was cancelled

Everyone hates every new Star Trek. Next Gen had an actual picket outside the studio lot. STD is relatively more popular than most have been at this stage.

based

Ohh, this will trigger the little losers in sooo many threads. Bless you.

>also lower decks was cancelled
Just yesterday, Jonathan Frakes was talking about Lower Decks user.

trekmovie.com/2019/02/26/jonathan-frakes-confirms-he-is-directing-on-star-trek-picard-show-says-lower-decks-is-hysterical/

>I've never been discriminated on based on my race or gender.

kek tell us more. I like this. we dont have to argue with your retarded points on STD when you are showing us all just the type you are.

>a Frenchie, a Russian
so picard and chekov?

Shh, he doesn't want to know he's wrong

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This

What's so funny about that? I don't live in America if that makes a difference. But I can't remember any instance of me being discriminated against because I'm white, or a man. How have you been discriminated against based on those characteristics user?

I went to church the other day. First time since I was a teen. It was amazing. Made lots of friends, good community surrounding me, invited to hang out at bbqs and different places. they told me since im a student at uni if i ever run out of money and have no food the church can provide. not that i'll need that.

Life is pretty great as long as you're not a worthless druggo tranny predator like you are, hey.

Show us more of your kinks, faggot.

:(

Trash

I'm not sure why you keep deflecting. this is about you and your story and claims user. We want to hear about YOU.

>t.

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>You sort of need to pick one, because trek, and trek fandom has been really left leaning for a long time, and not at all subtle about its agenda. If anything, the oversimplified ham-fisted left-leaning politics is literally the ONLY thing that's at all trek-like in STD
Leftsim and SJWism are two different things. SJWs are basically just as capitalists as right wingers, the only topics that matter to them are identity politics, gay marriage, tranny bathrroms and this sort of insanity.

The Federation wasn't politically very fleshed out in the original series, or anyway, the original series was mostly about Starfleet. So there are occasional references to money. Unless you mean Deep Space Nine, which isn't actually a Federation holding at all, and one gets the sense that the Starfleet personnel get a stipend just to smooth things over.
The skirts were worn for a few episodes in season one. This was probably a response to the miniskirts in the original series, which is pretty easy to chalk up to executive meddling: in "The Cage," Number One wears basically the same thing as Pike, and this was probably Roddenberry's vision.
I'm not really sure I'd call the sexism "frequent," or anyway, I'd call it more paternalistic. There are plenty of women on the Enterprise with advanced degrees, but then of course Kirk tends to get very protective of them, and they tend to play the damsel. Even "Turnabout Intruder" isn't as bad as people make it out to be.
With races, they tend to give us both stereotypes and subversions, "You must read Shakespeare in the original Klingon" and so forth. But, you know, we've gotten a lot of very different portrayals of klingons over the decades. And I'll always hold out that "your pain--share it with me" was a really cool take on a vulcan outcast.

Not who you were arguing with, and honestly, not even interrested in arguing, I'm just curious what you think in STD is anti-white, or even more progressive than the standard set by previous treks. STD is bad... like really bad, but all the flaws that I can see are on a basic "you fail at television storytelling" level, not a political level.

Seriously, at this point I'm not even mad, or wanting to argue, I'm just curious. It seems to me that everyone is just taking it as a given that the show is not only pro-diversity (which Trek always has been) but anti-white-male.... and while I'll admit I never finished season 1 (why the fuck would I, it was terrible) I never saw anything of the sort... if anything, the only characters that were actually written with any nuance or relatability were the white male ones, because the hack writers thought non-white skin is a replacement for a fleshed out characterization.

>I will debate anyone who says this show is shit, but i will only use my feelings and ignore the evidence that the whole fanbase hates the show
Except I 100% agree that it's shit, LOADS of basic tonal/storytelling/writing/filming etc... reasons outside of whatever culture war thing you see going on.

>I was given one example
Can you point me to it, because I can't even fine one. I mean, STD is utter garbage, but as far as I know, not for this reason.

>We want to hear about YOU.
Specifically what more do you want to hear? The reason I keep asking you is because I genuinely cannot remember any instance of my being discriminated against because I'm a white guy. If I could hear some examples from you, I could compare them against my own life.

>Can you point me to it, because I can't even fine one.
Supposedly the science officer from the Enterprise dying in the first episode of Season 2 is an example of the show's anti-white male agenda. That's the only answer I've been given ITT so far.

I don't disagree with anything you've said user. In the context of the post I was replying to I don't think your post dismantles mine at all, rather it kind of backs it up.

They have to push the most inhuman creatures in for the contrast. And for the liberals the most inhuman ones are blacks.
BBC even has a rule that shows they air must have diversity, and you won't get away with some indians and chinese, no sir, gib us africans.

The reason why views such as yours are popular is because you are only convinced otherwise by a massive amount of hard evidence, and there is none. There is no real evidence of your resume being denied because they found someone more competent, or because of affirmative action for example. And even if there would be, you would say that sure it's wrong but it's not enough to convince you, and I get that, because even for me it took half a decade to notice the kind of shit you've been arguing about for the whole thread.

And that's the whole thing about why people call STD libshit, it's not that it's particularly anti-white, it's just that it's one more drop in the storm because it happens everywhere in American and British media.

So it's more based on feelings than any real evidence? It's weird, I was criticized earlier itt for supposedly arguing based on my 'feelings'.

>STAR TREK: AIDS
Andorian Idiot Doing Shit?
I would watch it

And in what way does the film-school-dropout-hack-show that is STD do to go from "egalitarian" to "feminist" that previous treks haven't?

It's not the female captain, because Voyager did that, and while it certainly wasn't the best trek, it was at-least a Trek.

It's not the female Empress of the alternate universe, because Enterprise did that, and it was still Trek.

One could maybe argue that it's the fact that the show is specifically from the perspective of a female character, but all previous treks were ensemble pieces, and each character got their turn to be the protagonist and the viewer-self-insert, including the female characters. STD's "perspective" is female all the time, but that's because it insists on always being from the same perspective every epsode, rather than being an ensemble show, which is very un-trek, a and a choice that helps make the show shit, but not a political issue.... it's a structural issue.

...those are the only ways -I- can think of that STD could have gone from "egalitarian" to "feminist" though I'm genuinely curious to hear any examples, because full disclosure, I couldn't make it through the whole show, because it's really bad.

Do american weirdos really wave that flag? I think i'm starting to understand what
"triggered" means
t. russian

I guess that obnoxious security officer who got killed in S1 proves the show's true anti-Indian bias

That wasn't me, why are you ignoring my argument by wrongfully labeling and dismissing it?

you're the shill here, fuck off back to moususchwitz.

>I can't explain my reasoning to you with words but once you become woke like me, you'll understand

You said in your post that there's no real evidence. As such, there's no compelling reason for me to believe you over my own first-hand experience, that being that I've suffered no discrimination based on my race or my gender, at least as far as I'm concerned.

I am obviously not every one of those people you replied to. but i made a couple of those posts and also I made a post earlier saying the show isnt even that sjw it's just the production crew, marketing and the occasional thing in the show that spark this fury against it, and rightfully so.

I like STD like i said, the orville is better though. You have to understand what is our arguement and what is strawman from shills. When we say the show is SJW we mean it's made by people who would rather us dead, they'd rather our families dead, and they'd laugh at seeing it happen to us. That's what we mean when we say this show is sjw and it's a problem.

Also the idealogy of these progressives as i stated before is at odds with the original star trek egalitarian ideology. As another user said progressive then and progressive now are two completely separate groups using the same name.

It's the difference between egalitarian and feminist. And it matters a lot in this political climate where the audience of this show are attacked every day for being white males. You can't go to a university lecture without the professor being racist about you. You can't turn on the tv or even feel safe from the racism and sexism against white males watching a kids movie like wreck it ralph. This is the undeniable political climate and it's why we have trump in.

Now with that said are you closer to understanding? or will you dismiss every point in the answer to your question with your feelings and ask the question again like the idiot user i was arguing with did earlier?

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>I genuinely cannot remember any instance of my being discriminated against because I'm a white guy.

moar

as a leftist, I'm aware of the difference between leftism and SJWism.

In his speech to the frozen guy. Picard made it clear that discarding the outdated need for money and greed came before every race/species kombayahing (i.e. solving the economic inequalities already DOES solve social inequality if other races/genders/sexualities are disproportionately impacted, and if they aren't disproportionately impacted, then I'm already more concerned about the poor than I am them.)

It's unheard of.
But then, my neck of the woods they never stopped cursing commies in the same breath as nazis and blacks.

What are some instances of you being discriminated against based on your being white and male? I'm genuinely interested now.

Well, I think "space communism with men in skirts and explicit equality" hits pretty close to the mark. There were showrunning realities in the 1960s that made them reel in the equality some, but even by The Motion Picture, Nurse Chapel had become Dr. Chapel. As for communism--
One of the great shames of Star Trek is that we see so little of normal Federation life, but the glimpses we get show strong beliefs in a "duty for mutual aid." I mostly say this in terms of Joseph Sisko's restaurant in New Orleans, and the way everyone talks about Starfleet. While it's easy to say "well actually that's (whatever political belief system)," it's what communism is supposed to be.

Any examples from the actual show though?
t. idiot user you were arguing with earlier

stop. you typed too much and its all strawmanning. nobody care about micheal being female or black and past treks have demonstrated we're all fine with those things so stop going around in circles.

the show is not tolerant of trump supporters for one, an egalitarian show would be. and before you try to seperate the on air and off air, the shows production team making public comments and saying shit in interviews is what makes this show intolerant and what makes it ideologically opposed to real trek - well, that and micheal just stamping all over the universe and being clapped at for it. Every previous captain was anti sjws before sjw was a thing. case closed. thank you for your time and goodnight.

Yes, because radical changes in world views happen overnight.. ?

Like I said, in real life it's hard to tell when you're being discriminated against because of color, or because someone just wants to be an asshole. And yet on the internet, we get tens of thousands of people calling for the ruining of a white kid's life for what was believed at the time was standing in the way of a native american. Thing is, those tens of thousands don't go around in their daily life saying WHITE PEOPLE BAD. That's not how the world works, and that's why you won't be satisfied with anything I have to say. Then again you are not American so I don't even know why you are arguing.

when research is literally suppressed and banned when it shows unfairness on one group I think that guy has a point about it being hard to provide academic articles to prove what we all know to be true. most racism is against whites. most sexism against men.

>When we say the show is SJW we mean it's made by people who would rather us dead, they'd rather our families dead, and they'd laugh at seeing it happen to us.
As far as I can tell, this seems to be the given of your proof. Personally, I'm not going to argue for or against it, but yes, if we take that as a given, the rest follows. However, it's a very bold and extreme claim, and while I'm not going to reject it out of hand for that, before I accepted it (and thus the rest of the proof that stems from that given) I'd need some evidence. Do you have any?

If anything, to me at-least, It looks more like the writers are all white men, because they can't seem to write any interesting characters except for white men. Seriously, any character who isn't a white man has poor or no characterization because the writers assume that "________ outgroup" is enough of a characterization that they don't have to come up with anything else, which is lazy and insulting to the reader... but not indicative of wanting your families dead. Granted, I've never seen a photo of the writers, so I don't know what race they actually are.

As I said, feel free to drop some evidence to support your given, but without some evidence, that's a very difficult to swallow premise.

It's almost like you can do it in the right way or in the 2010s way...

not only that. mountains of articles saying things like "it's time to end whiteness" "toxic masculinity" and the like.

you're arguing with trannies though mate

McShitlane is just an unfunny faggot, but STD literally is a disease.
And I don´t agree with the sentiment that it will attract young blood to Trek.
On the contrary, it´s the death of the fandom as only morons would continue watching even more Trek after seeing this shitshow.

i already summarized for you and it's in that post. you wanted to know whats so progressive about the show? its the people who are making it who have a completely different idealogy that is a opposed to trek.

you discredited yourself a few times i think? no need for me to say more to you. thanks.

If that ideology isn't evident in the actual show, then what's the problem.

By most accounts, Kevin Spacey's a sex pest asshole, but I still enjoy his films user.

I like that you've watched the show too, most of these people calling the show progressive obviously have not. as you said the skirts are limited to a small few episodes so no, trek isn't that. And the communism thing is a popular reach but in any case, the ideology of trek is not in line at all with modern progressive intolerance.

>the show is not tolerant of trump supporters for one, an egalitarian show would be. and before you try to seperate the on air and off air, the shows production team making public comments and saying shit in interviews is what makes this show intolerant and what makes it ideologically opposed to real trek
No, you don't get to pass the buck to the actors or whatever. I'm not some zoomer who's going to follow a fucking actor on twitter. I internet stalk the actors or writers of TNG, Voyager, or DS9, so why would I start now. Hollywood's also very liberal to begin with and very fake, and attacking Trump supporters is an easy way to advance your career. If you want to convince me that STD is more progressive than previous Treks, then you're going to have to use the actual show. I mean, feel free to use material I haven't seen, but literal actor stalking... that's a bit thin isn't it?
> Every previous captain was anti sjws before sjw was a thing.
In what way that doesn't apply to the captain(s?) of STD.
>ideologically opposed to real trek - well, that and micheal just stamping all over the universe and being clapped at for it
On this, we 100% agree. That dumb protagonist who's name I can never remember and can't be bothered to scroll up to find's jingoistic bullshit not only being accepted, but rewarded, feels very un-trek. Also, she acts like that despite being raised on Vulcan apparantly? WTF?

I think it's interesting that they put men in skirts, and I also think it's embarrassing that they let Troi wear pajamas on the bridge until Jellico chewed her out. But anyway, yes, social justice warriors should be forced to watch "The Drumhead" over and over until they finally understand what Trek thinks about them.

I love that though, because we live in a world of 7 billion people, half of them on the internet. You are ALWAYS going to find people of influence having outlandish opinions to write articles about: Harvard professors saying ADHD is a scam, renowned psychiatrists saying demonic possessions are real, etc.

Except what you said tends to be more common for some reason.

you don't need to swallow it and if you can't see evidence of the world we live in then you will never see the world as it is no matter what anyone spoonfeeds you with.

your claim is the one that is extraordinary here as your opinion is the minority one, thus you have to provide evidence for your claims that everyone is wrong but you, if anyone.

extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. As such if you can provide evidence for something like a race of aliens and their fleet of ufos equipped with mind bending/brainwashing rays that have been used in convincing the majority of star trek fans that we're being attacked (when we arent) and that std is made by political extremists (when its not) and that it's all been an illusion, then go ahead and give me that evidence bud.

parts of Voyager wore left wing politics on the sleeve far more so than STD ever did

>and that's why you won't be satisfied with anything I have to say.
You're probably right about that. Since I'm a white guy myself, I can say with confidence that I've never consciously experienced any racism or sexism. Maybe it's worse in America though, I've never been.

Man i am in uni and even the nicest professors have been encouraged to insert things into lectures that are straight up racist.

a nice old lady professor, kind of meek, she looked confused by the silence of the audience when she said "and we have to solve the problem of whiteness, remove whiteness and it's damage" or something like that.

left then and left now are opposed to be honest senpai. I hated bush and voted for obama but trump is the clear good guy to me now and my politics have not changed, i just like freedom and no censorship

7 billion is really impressive when you think about it.

But I'm sure if Trump declares a war of regime change on oil-rich Venezuela, that's fine with you because your god-emperor sticks it to them SJWs amirite?

>i'm not obtuse, but I do posses a deep-seated aversion to noticing patterns or trusting my own instincts, as I am a true product of politically-correct indoctrination.
>i am mortally terrified of being a Bad Person™ who is On the Wrong Side of History™ so I must sit the fence until everything is black & white so there can be no questioning the purity of my morals and intentions
>I admire your conviction, but since you lack the sort of clean, clear, and indisputable evidence of pure malicious villainy that will never be forthcoming, I have no choice but to play this fiddle while Rome burns
>do you like this song? It's called "C'mon Guys... There are Good and Bad People on Both Sides"
>or maybe I'm just obtuse

We're not talking about "the world we live in." We're talking about>just the production crew
of a specific show. Correct me if I'm paraphrasing incorrectly, but you claimed that the production team of STD wants your family dead. I'm trying to keep an open mind here, so I'm open to any evidence you have for this claim.

>your claim is the one that is extraordinary here
What claim? That STD is a piece of garbage on a fundamental "how to tell a story on screen" level? Seriously, what extrordinary claim are you talking about. I'm literally just asking questions.

>something like a race of aliens and their fleet of ufos equipped with mind bending/brainwashing rays
What? are you high?

> the majority of star trek fans that we're being attacked
I'll agree at-least that my childhood is being attacked by shitty writing, uninspired visuals, a complete disregard for established canon, a rejection of Rodenberry's tone etc... given that the extreme importance that previous Star Treks had on my childhood.

If you mean attacked in any other way (I'm GUESSING from context that you mean attacked as a white man,) that feeling is personally valid, but as someone (also a white man) who's only watched the first few episodes, I don't know what you're talking about. It doesn't attack me in any way that the Star Wars prequels don't... which is to say, shitting on things that had meaning to my childhood... at least not that I saw in the first few episodes. Seriously though, I'm genuinely open to any examples or evidence you have.

like you can talk, you are probably as anti war as me but only i walked the walk and voted for trump. you voted against him / would have.

in any case i am still anti war and dont want a war with venezuela but it's not like we have anyone to vote for who is actually a good guy other than trump.

don't be that journalist who sees the discourse on /pol/ and assumes that's the majority sentiment behind Trump's support

you show too much of a lack of understanding. I couldn't even read your post past where you claimed i thought the crew specifically and not an idealogy wanted us the main audience of the show dead.

You are so shit at argueing that people stop reading after a sentence or two. Imagine that. you're supposed to lead up to things before getting crazy, suck your audience in. right now you sound like a total sperg incapable of debate or persuasion.

>You are so shit at argueing
Not him, but you ain't so great yourself user.

not that guy but i like your post.

also

>do you like this song? It's called "C'mon Guys... There are Good and Bad People on Both Sides"

basically exactly what trump said at charlottesville and the left wing media twisted it to make it sound like he meant they were nazis and nazis are good.

well user, I have made a lot of posts now defending others from this guy and arguing with him myself. My tolerance does wear thin after a couple of hours of this so don't judge me too harshly.

Do you unironically think a lying narcissist like Trump is a good guy?

Or do you take offense of my insult toward your Dear Leader and assume I must be afflicted by "Trump Derangement Syndrome"

>left wing media twisted it

You're a fucking idiot.

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Perhaps instead of insulting me, you could give any evidence. I'm not asking for
>clear, and indisputable evidence of pure malicious villainy
Just, something other than
"wake up and look around you"

Seriously. Any specifics at all would be nice. Preferably it'd be something that applies to STD and not to previous Treks, though I don't feel like asking for that is too much, since going further than the previous Treks seems to be one of the fundamental ideas here.

I'm paraphrasing here, but multiple people here have essentially claimed "Old treks were always pro racial egalitarianism, but STD is anti-white," and that's bad if true, but nobody has given a single example that I can find. By all means, I'm all ears.

>C'mon Guys... There are Good and Bad People on Both Sides
No, centrists and false-equivalency fags are not my friends.

Her sweet sneed

I don't take offense at all. I just think you believe tv and headlines too easily and you don't look into things yourself and think independently as much as us who support him.

>I couldn't even read your post past where you claimed i thought the crew specifically and not an idealogy wanted us the main audience of the show dead
>it's made by people who would rather us dead, they'd rather our families dead, and they'd laugh at seeing it happen to us.

I'm not even trying yo refute you. I'm just asking for any evidence.

user is 100% correct. Try watching the show before putting forth an opinion.

Truth

well then what happened tranny? cause lets be honest we all know charlottesville was mostly non nazis, and mostly good people.

We all know that's what trump meant too. Are you implying he actually meant "i love nazis"? if so, cool story.

kek

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user is 100% tranny (mentally ill male)

>cause lets be honest we all know charlottesville was mostly non nazis, and mostly good people.

Is this your brain on /pol/?

just state your opinion clearly user. are you saying that isn't the case? what was the case? are you living in a world where the president actually honestly said he loves nazis?

So it's just tv headlines that divorce Trump's words from easily verifiable facts on a regular basis? It's just the fake news MSM that makes Trump praise himself and his actions as the greatest in every single one of his rallies?

You won't get any concrete examples from these anons, because there aren't any. The show isn't anti-white male.

"Hello? Yes, I would like to renew my subscription to CBS all access please"

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I don't know you personally and don't know the specific reasons you don't like Trump. For all i know you could be an outlier who never watches the news and just hates trump for his hair.

In most cases though people who hate him cite thing after thing that yes user, the media lied about or exaggerated or framed in a certain way. And yes the media and tv headlines twist things on a daily basis, an hourly basis to make trump sound bad.

So I am not offended by you user, I just think you read and believe those headlines. You listen to that far out news and believe without questioning and researching yourself.

>worst looking Star Trek ever.
Now I know you're an Orville shill because it objectively looks good to great.

which shows you exactly why that sort of pandering speech is loathsome and futile for 99% of dudes 99% of the time, although Trump does it from time to time and it usually works for him as a strategy. He pandered to the crazy lady that testified against Kavanugh so he could position himself to later tear her down.

I think these numbers all but confirm you're not arguing in good faith, Father of Lies. You know you could google shit that would work for you and present them better than user could paraphrase in a shitpost. You want to troll user for an effortpost which you're sure you wont get and which will leave you smugly secure that the "racists on Yea Forums" couldnt make good on the strawman you've set up. I've told you once that the "anti-white" elements of STD are strictly implicit. Anyone saying STD is explicitly anti-white male is being hyperbolic or just doesnt know what 'explicit' means in the way nobody knows or cares what 'literally' means anymore.

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Hundreds of youtubers rejoiced.
Now they'll have new material for another year.
Afterall they are the only ones watching the show.

jesus christ is this cg or is he real? he's ugly as fuck and those vains

biased and slanted media doesn't change what the facts are user

>the "anti-white" elements of STD are strictly implicit.
But characters like Pike, Stamets and Tilly are all white, and they seem like decent people. Seems like you're just paranoid user.

>Tilly gonna get fatter

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He'll just say Pike doesn't count because Burnham doesn't listen to him, Stamets is gay and Tilly is a woman.

What he means is that white males aren't in charge, and that's a problem.

no but you being informed about the actual facts depends on whether you automatically believe and trust these headlines and bias news.

If you didn't you would find out for yourself. It actually shocked me during the 2016 election to look up the source of one of the anti trump articles, and actually watch the speech he made and realize the news had just straight up lied about what he said 100%

for people who only read the headlines its worse. they often outright lie in those because people who want to believe bad things about trump will only read the headlines and not question them

you're just going to dismiss any examples given anyway. the introduction of tilly was specifically blm anti white feeling shit.

the main thing is the production team are anti white as progressives are anti white. arent they??

>you're just going to dismiss any examples given anyway.
I'm not. I'll argue against them if I don't agree, but I won't dismiss any arguments you present.
>the main thing is the production team are anti white as progressives are anti white. arent they??
I don't know. I don't follow their Twitters.

As far as I'm concerned, if their extreme politics aren't detectable in the actual show, it won't bother me. I don't dislike pieces of fiction because I disagree with the politics of the creators.

>You know you could google shit that would work for you and present them better than user could paraphrase in a shitpost. You want to troll user
> the strawman you've set up
Asking for evidence is trolling and strawman? Whatever. Do you have any evidence. Seriously, I'm still here, and happy to read anything.

>because every single white character isn't handled negatively, it means there are no "anti-white" elements in STD
there you go with that absolutism again. for the record, Stamets is a fag and Tilly is fat, ugly, awkward, and female. That eliminates them as their existence negs white people for reasons your average 8 year old could suss out. Pike is less definitive, but could be attributable to any number of ploys on the part of CBS. It doesn't matter, though, because no amount of pulling back on the yoke will prevent what was for faaaaaar too long a controlled flight into terrain. Opinions differ as to when the show crossed the line and became absolutely nonredeemable but for me it was when they introduced the mirror universe since it essentially foreclosed the possibility that STD itself was taking place in a mirror universe, which in my opinion could have been workable.

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>you're just going to dismiss any examples given anyway.
You'd have to give an example first.
>the main thing is the production team are anti white
citation still needed.

Orville is light years better than STD. Only the terrible gay alien and robot love shit are bad. I do think it will go downhill faster now. It shouldn't have had a second season.

the only evidence of the deficiency of Trump's character you need is to just watch him speak and follow what he says on twitter. Slanted op-eds are not necessary

Unlike you, I've provided concrete examples of how three white characters are treated in the show, which is more than you've done in this whole thread. They are all depicted as good people, despite having flaws, ie. characters (no, Stamets' flaw is not that he's gay, and Tilly's is not that she's fat, you're just retardedly grasping at straws.)

>IT WAS JUST ABOUT THE ISSUE OF RACE. They weren't trying to signal "we're totally on the Progressive side so assume we're with the entire platform".
What would you define as the rest of "the entire platform" and in what way does STD promote that in a way that previous Treks didn't.

>trying to fit in this hard
Try another buzzword, skinwalker

You are missing out on the gay couple using prostate massagers as toothbrushes scene.

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Not him, but it goes from being TOS' "everyone is equal" to STD's "these people are better than those people despite them being a minority who literally fucks everything over for everyone".

I'm guessing Tom Paris from Voyager got your knickers in a knot because he was the only human white male in the main cast and he was every bit the "privileged white male" stereotype

>it doesnt bother me
well thats where your arguement should end. nobody here disagrees with your post that it doesnt bother you. that's fine if it doesnt bother you. it bothers most of us.

you got an example and dismissed it? if that wasnt you read the thread.

clearly you are not correct.

New thread, trannies.

But people constantly say the show is a vessel for these anti-white male sentiments. Yet throughout the thread, not one convincing example of that ideologies presence in the actual show has been supplied.

I'll add that no one's bothered to supply evidence of these supposed anti white sentiments on the part of the production crew either.

this thread doesnt say STD, somebody create a real one.

>dismissed it?
No one dismissed it. It was simply argued against.

not one that convinced you. You personally. it's done. it's down to your feelings again. your opinion and that's all, no facts.

can we be civil and stop? you demonstrated you are a strange case in many posts and those allied with you are literal sexual predators from the tranny discord. you know that right?

>wanting evidence when Culture Warriors are all about "muh feelings"

that's not true though is it. you just said "personally my feels" and thats all you've said ever since.

>you got an example
Could you please at-least link to it. The thread is very long, and if you know where it is and I don't, it'd be a pretty simple courtesy.

or that O'Brian is the only white male in DS9 and he's an Irishman dominated by his Asain wife

No, I said it's been a common trope in fiction for an arrogant character who doesn't listen to the hero to get killed for their arrogance. It's nothing new, and it clearly wasn't an attempt to push any sort of agenda.

So far, this stance hasn't been challenged.

They did, they also said CBS shitty service is losing money but after a financial report was released it was proven that it was extremely profitable when compared with other endeavours CBS undertook (which is also why everyone and their grandma want their own streaming service now).

ME has some good content, but their 'inside news' are usually fabricated drama.

Not him, but I haven't seen any arguments at all other than "I already gave you an argument" and "you wouldn't understand it if I told you" and "just look at the world around you." For reals, a link to an example of something anti-white in the show would be great

I've been the only one giving examples derived from the actual show though. How am I the one arguing based on my feelings?

i addressed those three characters. you're confirmed dumber than an 8 year old. congratulations.

you're stubbornly trolling for effortposts with these professorial prompts either as a troll or some sort of vain attempt to walk away knowing that the racists on Yea Forums couldn't do stupid racist tricks on command. Shit is all over tubes and blogs. Look it up. I'm sure as shit not about to infodump the history of the far Left as I understand on top of it for your sake lol. Are you autistic? A better plan would be for you to (a) immediately unfuck your brainframe (b) stop being a faggot and (c) re-read the Western canon and re-into current affairs. You should then have a basic worldview and grasp on the issues which should allow us to converse as fellows.

VOY mostly stunk but since you haven't been paying attention i'll give you a hint: 99% of everyone in canon Trek who isn't played by Avery Brooks is some flavor of Oreo. I wouldn't cite canon Trek.

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She's also a villain in case you didn't notice.

Real new thread for STD

we arent all the same person and i told you its the ideology of production

>i addressed those three characters.
Not really. Your implication regarding Pike was particularly confusing. I also don't think Stamets being a fag was meant as an indictment of the white race.

>Shit is all over tubes and blogs. Look it up.
You are the ones claiming that a bad show is bad for a reason other than being bad. Burden of proof is on the claimant.

Do you have any evidence that
A: the production crew is racist (something about wanting your family dead)
and
B: said ideology makes its way meaningfully into the show

show is bad on account of its implicit ideological slant and for lots of other reasons not related to ideological slants. This was never a discussion whereby we "prove" the above true or false. It's accepted as a given (save for routine trolling) and the work that was done in doing so is archived all over the goddamn place. Look it up.

If you really think you can just show up and expect user to regurgitate details to re-prove why the show sucks, you're seriously mentally ill or autistic. That's not how people work. People will forget the things you say. They'll forget the things you do. But they'll never forget how you make them feel. Same goes for TV shows.

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So lazy. If the ideological slant is so clear, why have you resisted giving examples throughout the entire thread? It's weird that you act like it's beneath you to 'regurgitate those details'. You clearly have the time, since you've been itt for at least 6 and a half hours.