So now after the site removing the "Want to see" score, people are now asking for the site to remove audience scores since they mean nothing, many of them cite the Last Jedi review score, as an example of "brigading".
Why are people in favour of removing the audience voice?
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They should review critic scores while they're at it.
easy. they control media and critics and therefore the narrative. they can't control the audience if it has a voice. therefore they have to shut it down.
As of this morning, they have. It was hovering around 25%.
Fuck them.
They're taking our freedoms. This is just a small step towards something much scarier.
>people
>movie rating website no longer lets you rate movies
lol
That would massively drive down traffic to the site. I can't imagine they would be so dumb.
The only reason I visit rotten tomatoes is because of the audience score, take that away and I will never go back.
Critics are either dishonest or too distanced from the interest of the audiences to make their opinions useful.
You can very much still rate movies once they come out.
>Why are (((people))) in favour of removing the audience voice?
RT is a fallacy for film criticism resting solely in the pocket of film studios.
Of course you’re going to play into their game Yea Forums by brigading the scores with overwhelmingly low scores. Scores low enough for them to know it’s a reviewbomb. And of course when Ep. 9 gets inevitable low audience scores for the shit movie it’s going to be they’re going to take it down. It makes me wonder if all of this shit is an engineered reaction.
two reasons, audiences have trash taste. The Witch's audience score is 57%, and while obviously it's not a perfect movie, it's significantly better and has more value than that, and poor audience scores may cause the average person to avoid it therefore damaging potentially good movies. Second is yes, people will literally only use the audience score just to protest a movie they disagree with politically or based on some controversy, which is a shame and is connected to the first point in regard to consequences.
obviously they shouldn't get rid of it all, there' value in the opinion of the average person if you want to understand context about a movie, but critics typically are more informed and have better taste than the average person, or they used to be, maybe not anymore because I avoid rt scores and just go to specific critics I trust.
>clicking "Not Interested" in seeing capeshit now brigading
>i-it's not voting when we don't like the results!!
top fucking kek
for now
IMPEACH THOSE WHO INSULT CAPTAIN MARVEL
The witch sucked asa unless you're one of those 'too deep for u' boring contrarians.
Most people aren't qualified to do an objective, well-elaborated review. People just rate based on their own subjetive taste
Please no, keep RT the cancer containment box for your stupid little culture war brigades and leave letterboxd alone.
This. I guess it’s the same “people” who wanted the review feature discontinued from NetFlix.
>letterboxd
They're gonna shut that down soon for being alt-right like Hatreon and Gab.
As opposed to most critics who overlook execution for whatever validates their social agenda? Neither The Last Jedi or Ghostbusters '16 deserve fresh scores
"Want To See" was under "Audience Score", so Rotten Tomatoes was right to seperate the two. People saying this slight change infringes on their freedom need to get a fucking life.
Removing the "Audience Score" altogether is a dumb idea though. Luckily you have no source and the only people buying your bullshit will be said seething incels.
>666
the Devil's mad about the Witch.
it's a great movie, I didn't think it was deep at all, just fun and tense, and looked excellent. this is why we can't trust audiences entirely, anything that they consider "2deep4u" is just a by product of being literally retarded.
>audiences have trash taste.
This, what proof is there that this is an 'attack' by anyone? I saw one or two obvious b8 threads stating "haha yeah incel magapedes lets go reviewbomb" made by some unfunny faggot, but those got removed pretty quick for being calls to raid.
So where's the actual proof this is anything other than organic? Pic unrelated
If they are willing to get rid of one thing it's only a matter of time before they get rid of more.
>"We spammed the bad reviews on this film for shits and gigs"
>"WHAT THE FUCK THEY TOOK IT AWAY, WHY DID THEY DO THAT"
>>"We spammed the bad reviews on this film for shits and gigs"
Citation please, and who's this 'we' you're referencing? I would like to see some proofs, as I stated above.
Nobody but mentally deranged manchildren who are way too involved vote anyway. The idea that garbage like Last Jedi is a 10/10 masterpiece is as laughable as the idea that it is a 0/10.
>How dare people say they don't want to see a movie! They shouldn't be allowed to say that!
fpbp it's well known that positive reviews can be purchased - so really just delet rotten tomatoes all together
It's IMDb all over again.
Why can't they just ignore the Audience Score if they think it's meaningless?
Like going outside or not butting in where you don’t belong??? Fucking incels lmao
Well said. Who fucking goes online and votes and leaves personal reviews of films they've seen as if anybody cares?... faggots that's who!
>mocking agoraphobia
Wow really nice, ableist shitlord
discord tranny
The OP is about removing that fucking retard.
So nobody is going to offer any sort of evidence of 'vote brigading'? I've asked twice now and been ignored while anons keep making the claim without citing any proof.
based retard poster
but what about when the pro critics brigade a movie with overly positive reviews like Black Panther ?
I don't care. I have my own opinion.
Reviews are almost always wrong. Just look at Ebert's review of the Friday the 13th movies. He clearly does not understand the appeal of the slasher genre and thus cannot accurately judge a film in that genre.
I find this is the case a lot. For both critics and audience reviews. I loved the Nun and Hellfest yet they got terrible reviews. I hated Quiet Place but it was reviewed well. I don't come to horror for deep stories. I just want to have fun.
People? Did you mean (((people)))?
So now movie critics have complete control on how tastes are measured.
All it was asking is if you want to see the movie or not.
Obviously, you’re a faggot
That's nothing. Wait until they take away your right to vote for prosecutors and legislators because they want to abolish prisons. Locked In by John Pfaff.
We have to let those child molesters free now!
Oy vey, shut it down.
>people are now asking
>people are now in favour
Nope. None of these people exist.
>but what about
Not asking about that right now, I'm asking about the specific claim being made by anons itt regarding 'review bombing' a website. I'm still not being given any proof so I'm beginning to seriously doubt the claim and suspect it's an excuse for heavy-handed action. I could be wrong though, which is why I'm asking for evidence of the claim's veracity.
No I don't want to see Captain Marvel.
I only like 4 capeshits
Umbrella Academy
Daredevil
Captain America Winter Soldier
Batman vs Superman
imdb has been poz'd since at least the time they deleted the discussions about film.
the site must be a fucking cesspool by now
>No I don't want to see Captain Marvel.
They deleted an entire movie review website feature and comment sections because 40k people had this same opinion. Think about that.
You have poor taste in movies, sorry.
I remember when the kid from Jumanji and his wife posted on the IMDB forums. some of us made fun of him because he looks like a fat balding midget now.
I think a good idea is to find a happy medium between general consensus and what certain critics you trust think, and find a specific critic who's tastes align with yours the most. listening to the average person, or a random critic, is a waste of time considering they may have simply a bad understanding of film or are jumping on a bandwagon.
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it would instantly become more useless than metacritic
in this case they should change their name to "pristine tomatoes", a site where all the movies get a score of 5 bags of popcorn.
>too stupid to understand the witch
Yikes
Audiences that watch Transformers knew what they were going to get. And got it.
(((People)))
Rotten Tomatoes is ded.
Congrats Yea Forums
yeah, exactly, people with trash taste got trash.
Haven't seen anything like that on Yea Forums.
just like before the internet, lol. that said brigading can suck , tho, it can be a form of fake news... that should be addressed somehow without shitting it up for the people who want to know what the people liked.
oh no incel can't review a movie before seeing it anymore. poor baby.
Aren't 99% of you trannies literal incels? Seems like a self-harming insult, but if you're fine with it...
Me neither, people keep claiming it as an obvious fact but can't offer anything to back it up.
I think they're just lying.
guess i'll just create a new site that allows for audience score then and steal all the clicks from rotten tomatoes
i'll even implement a real time revenue counter and integrate google statistics
YOU'LL EVEN SUGGESTION ON WHERE IN YOUR VICINITY YOU CAN WATCH THE MOVIE
fucking hacks
Any retard who spends their time reviewing capeshit on RT should be executed.
Reminder that articles were saying that the Cinemascore is more trustworthy than Rotten Tomatoes.
Based
oh look now everyone who hates /pol/tard faggots is a tranny. i forgot that's your new favorite thing to do once basedboy became passé.
(((people)))
That's the thing. It's entirely organic but being portrayed as a raid or brigading. It's probably just another antagonistic marketing ploy by mousefags. Who cares if people go to see it or not it'll still probably make a billion. I'm not seeing this garbage though.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...
Transformers was a better movie than Bumblebee but look at the critic score it got.
Could as well just scrap the whole fucking site then.
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Enjoy reading these reddit threads and seeing people advocate for the removal of audience scores
>The Witch's audience score is 57%,
Still too high.
Can you two stop for a second? I know you both want to yell at the other but you can do that anywhere, hell at this point it might as well be a single bot replying to itself for all the originality between you two.
kek, I remember when SW prequels apologists used cinemascore as an argument
I don't know what happened but I was supposed to say remove not review. Guess it works either way.
I wish you raw luck and mad profits.
godspeed user
they should do it, so people stop going to RT in search of movie tendencies, another site capitalizing on this, with true internet freedom, until Disney buys them off too. completing the circle
>crying this hard
Having a tough dilation today, bucko?
>Why are people in favour of removing the audience voice?
They're not, the people that pay them are. Those same people have also convinced the insane intersectionalists that they are on their side and not just out for profit.
Yes.
They are incels who got so desperate they became the girl and now still nobody wanna touch them, not even other incels.
it has been scientifically proven that you feel compelled to like stuff after you wasted your time and money on it, no matter how shit it actually is
ideal score would be random test audiences
exactly, CinemaScore is even worse.
>Transformers was a better movie than Bumblebee
>insults people
>gets insulted back
>starts literally crying
Saddest thing in this entire thing.
What I wanna know is, what was the thought process to having journalists defend the movie by citing Cinemascore? If someone did that on Yea Forums then it'd just be shitposting. It just looks more desperate coming from someone in the media.
That's been my suspicion, but I wanted to see if anyone could offer proof to the alternative first. Since nobody has after multiple requests, I can only conclude nobody has any proof of 'review-bombing' and will summarily mock any user making the claim.
Yeah I saw him too, just useless stale b8.
The bombing was done by media and companies to controll the narrative. Strawmen to blame others and to remove viewer score.
While you can pay for review, critics are easier to pay, because you still pay their newspaper for advertisment or invite them for early showings. So you can treat them to remove this without paying an extra dime if you keep the thing you wanted to do.
this has been happening for years everybody knows the drill, there doesn't need to be an explicit call to action people know what to do. You're being dishonest if you think there isn't a decentralized movement of people, Yea Forums included, that bombing the score because of culture and politics and having a laugh about it.
Why do they care that much when they know that IMDB will literally have the accurate score right next to their fake one?
>shit is an engineered reaction.
It is. Its the purpose of devalue audience scores.
>it's happening
>i have absolutely no proof
>but it's definitely happening
>because I say so
>it's happening
Sure it is, kiddo.
And they paid for it, making it successfull somehow.
And than some company sues you for something minor. But i still wish you luck!
>Rotten Tomatoes removes the audience score
>the site loses all relevance because everyone knows critics and reviewers are full of shit these days
kek
apparently you've never looked at the Yea Forums catalog the last 4 months then, not to mention tons of the soundoffs on the RT comments were all about Brie
>You're being dishonest if you think there isn't a decentralized movement of people, Yea Forums included
You're being dishonest for making the claim without posting some evidence. Show proofs please. I've been here for years and I've never once review-bombed anything, nor been called to do so by an apparently psychic dogwhistle only you can hear.
Post evidence of organized review-bombing or stop making the claim. If you have evidence, I would like to see it. Pic unrelated.
>apparently you've never looked at the Yea Forums catalog the last 4 months then
user, we're on Yea Forums right now. Can you post a link to a specific thread where anons are calling for a raid on a review site? Because that would be against the rules and a reportable offense.
Are there any of those right now?
This will just empower Youtube critics. Now everyone will flock to their youtuber, at least you can see in their eyes and hear in their voice when they are lying!
>apparently you've never looked at the Yea Forums catalog the last 4 months then
I have, as a matter of fact. So much for your dumbass conjecture. Lets see some screenshots or archives for this "brigading," Sally.
>retard still thinks the 90+ percent means 9/10 scores
these 90-100% score movies are always 7/10 you braindead fuck
It's not a review, you literal retard. Saying "I'm not interested in seeing a movie" is not a review. It never claimed to be.
who knows, maybe whoever wrote those articles could be a fan of the movie and wanted to defend it, could be a shill too, or they want to discredit supposed "brigading" in a poor and dishonest way, but typically it's a good idea to completely avoid random journalist articles because they aren't necessarily film critics or even well informed.
>And they paid for it, making it successfull somehow.
exactly, and it went on to form a destructive franchise, damage the image and spirit of the original cartoon and hurt the industry as a whole. audiences are not to be trusted.
I'll say it again for those in the back.
This has been happening for years everybody knows the drill, there doesn't need to be an explicit call to action people know what to do. Dozens of threads get made about Brie's face or her comments or women in capeshit and posting the audience score. Don't deny this shit happens you pussys.
Disney is getting out of hand.
>if i repeat my lie maybe they'll believe it this time
Of course. We're all psychically linked trolls following the commands of Master-Troll Prime. Makes perfect sense.
I don't criticize the general idea of writing reviews or will to formulate and articulate your own opinions on things. I just notice that online reviewing became a shilling tug of war where both sides are filled with absolute brainlets who vote for a movie they haven't even seen or thought about because they're too politically involved into things so if an average incoherent movie like Last Jedi features some empowered Mary Sue they give it 10s and 0s for the sake of political belies against or in favor of feminism. Last Jedi doesn't have 44% rotten score because most people gave it a 4. It's because 6 out of 10 people gave it a 0 or 1 while the other 40% gave it a 10.
Please post proof. Only Disney shills would say this without posting proofs
Stop projecting
>"post proof"
>LIKE, OMG, IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME I, LIKE LITERALLY CAN'T EVEN RIGHT NOW
Good argument.
im not american so its not a problem, ill just ignore them
>Why are people in favour of removing the audience voice?
the same reason Netflix removed ratings and "news" sites removed comments sections.
The elite want to program you and feedback is anathema to that.
I'm terribly sorry you were never able to provide citations for your claims. I guess this conversation ends with you angry at ghosts and me still seeking information to possibly contradict my suspicions. Pic unrelated.
>You're being dishonest for making the claim without posting some evidence. Show proofs please. I've been here for years and I've never once review-bombed anything, nor been called to do so by an apparently psychic dogwhistle only you can hear.
stop being disingenuous, I've been on Yea Forums for years and disrupting polls or reviews have been happening for years. I see constantly tv threads glorifying low RT scores, perpetuating and motivating a general movement against a film as a bandwagon.
Those low scores might be justified, by the way, but by asking for evidence for a conscious conspiracy is being disingenuous as it's clear. I even saw a thread on pol like two days ago advocating review bombing Captain Marvel.
>People want the audience score removed from Rotten Tomatoes
Well if maybe you'd fucking retards would stop crying about Brie Larson and "FUCKING WHITE MALES" MAYBE THEY WOULD REMOVE IT.
Critics' score is always useless, I don't even pay attention to it. Audience score is generally much more reliable
>I even saw a thread on pol
You're a /pol/tard, eh? That explains a lot. You probably see boogeymen everywhere.
>you can't ask me to find proof of organised brigading! it's impossible, but it definitely 100% happens
Then you should have some proof, Mary.
>I even saw a thread on pol like two days ago advocating review bombing Captain Marvel.
Well, that would be proof. You want to link it? That's what I've been asking for.
The rest of your post is crap, but I'm interested in the direct evidence part.
>inb4 "i can't find it" / "go find it yourself"
Claim made, citation requested.
>review
kek this tranny doesn't even know what he is bitching about
>oh look now everyone who hates /pol/tard faggots is a tranny. i forgot that's your new favorite thing to do once basedboy became passé.
WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT TO DIALTE YOUR AXE WOUND YOU FUCKING FAGGOT?!?FACT!!!
Hardly surprising. They're on a cocktail of hormones and pain killers 100% of the time.
>audiences are not to be trusted.
Sure, but audiences are rather easy to read. And if the producer over estimate what to invest, they get flops.
And i dont say that the general audience is einstein, just you can make it work but need to have at least a balance between mediocre and genius.
>Well, that would be proof. You want to link it? That's what I've been asking for.
She saw the thread because she made it.
you guys do realise that the nature of the evidence you are asking for is hilariously difficult to gather considering threads die and rarely get archived unless we're lucky. found it regardless.
>You're a /pol/tard, eh?
nope, I just go there to shitpost and argue with them, it's fun.
>nope, I just go there to shitpost and argue with them, it's fun.
Yep. That's a /pol/tard.
So are only positive reviews from obvious media shills allowed before release?
>needing a movie critic to spoon feed you what movies to watch
All critics are trash. Especially the youtube critics. Only thing worse then Youtube critics is the retard audience that watches them and values their opinion.
at least say polfag my dude
9/10 times I trust RT review aggregates but that 91% for The Last Jedi is something else. It was an awful movie, that is the consensus of the Star Wars community. And yet it has 91% on RT.
RT should die quite honestly. I'm not even sure why people give them any attention in this day and age. Same as game reviewers. They're all paid to tow the line. Make up your own minds rather than letting some fag with an agenda tell you what to think. Sooner or later they'll all go the way of Buzzfeed and the rest of the dying media.
I mean that htey hurt themself by giving power to other kind of critics.
And you can see the youtubers face and hear their voice. You even can see what they reviewed before.
So its not that faceless or history less than a critic from a newspaper or site which even may change from month to month.
You don't see the direct call to action threads because they get deleted and aren't archived. That's not even the point, the trolls don't need to be told by anyone to go do this. Sure, the backlash is organic, it's still a bunch of trolls bombing a movie score because of a culture fostered and encouraged on this board and elsewhere
> not handling the bantz
I don't even use rotten tomatoes or give a shit about this movie but holy fuck grow a spine and don't pull this "we a good boy we dindu nuffin" shit you pussys
>"people"
archive.4plebs.org
Interesting responses that thread got, almost like a Yea Forums shitposter went there and made that thread themselves.
>*tips tinfoil fedora*
The evidence was real in your mind!
The "decentralized movement" you're talking about is just the aggregate of people's opinions. People in general hated TLJ, so they gave it a low score in general. It's only called "bombing" or "brigading" because there's a lot of people doing it, but they're just giving their individual opinion.
NPCs and their corporate overlords can't stand the idea of the general public not agreeing with them so they propagandize against it in the way that we see today.
Gay
People don't have nuanced opinions, especially about a movie that just came out. They either love it or hate it.
>people who don't want to see a movie and express it are unorganized organized trolls!
Oh, okay.
>Why are people in favour of removing the audience voice?
It's too easy for trolls to manipulate.
>I am a very reasonable person I'd like to see evidence please
>wait no stop evidence is a false flag
You know what, I agree.
Plebs know jack dick about film, anyway.
The "audience" score is more like a "how mad did this movie make losers" score.
Better off without it.
Critics are experts, the masses are just a herd of dumb cows. If the critic scores and the audience scores are different the critics, with their superior education and cultural understanding, should be prioritized. Since the best an audience score can do is confirm the superior score of the critic it is ancillary.
So you didn't read that archived thread then? It's full of /pol/ telling that OP to fuck off and people saying "why bother?" That doesn't exactly support the claim of a 'mass organized attack'.
IMDB is now irrelevant. What makes you think they won't do the same?
yes no way /pol/ would lie and gaslight
>"sure they told OP to fuck off with that shit, but what they REALLY meant..."
NObody from did that, no after Black Panther last year you dumbfuck, read the thread, also Larson tiddies there
Honestly critics scores are just as meaningless. When i read a "proffessional" critic praising a movie for it´s diversity or it´s empowerment of a certain group instead of analysing technical or aesthetic aspects i do wonder what´s the difference between that criticism and an uneducated one. What is that "critic" bringing to the table that a regular joe or an "influencer" is not? In the end all they do is share a political opinion and talk about the plot. That is not film analysis, that´s an analysis, scratch that, interpretation (that´s the right word) of the political ideas reflected in the film; heck sometimes they even share "Theories" about what this thing or that thing meant (which is even the oposite of analysis. It´s just groundless opinions)
Granted most of the audience "criticism" is like that too but the audience has no obligation to do better, they can be ignorant. give political opinions or talk from the POV of fanboyism if they want to because they have no obligation know the difference between an anaysis and an opinion but a proffessional critic should not do that and yet they do it constantly...
People are being autistic asking for proof of some figure head instigator when all I'm saying is the motivation for the review bombers is political and cultural shit that constantly gets circle-jerked about on places like this. Do the comments in pic-related look familiar?
You're right though and I think that's more interesting meat of the argument. Like if an actor is a known wife beater shouldn't I be allowed to click not-interested because I don't want to promote such a person? Then again what value does the "want to see" metric have to people that are soley interested in the film have if it's being weighed down by things extraneous to the film?
What kind of people look at some unknown rottenblabla site over imdb
>people always say exactly what they mean on this anonymous board known for trolling, falseflagging and organizing brigading and harrasment campaigns
What the fuck are you blabbering about?
> figure head instigator
here are the head instigators:
youtube.com
>no after Black Panther last year you dumbfuck,
are you implying something about Black Panther being perhaps negatively influenced by Yea Forums or shitposters?
But here's the thing, and why providing evidence, even if it's actually evidence, is a waste of time, because it'll just be called a false flag. I personally can attest to seeing many such threads several years being here, especially in 2016 and 2017.
>demanding proof of unsubstantiated claim is autism
Sure sweetie.
>Like if an actor is a known wife beater shouldn't I be allowed to click not-interested because I don't want to promote such a person?
What if they're acting obnoxious and putting me off to seeing her film?
Yes, by telling review-bombers to fuck off, /pol/ secretly, um, what exactly? Seriously explain what you think is happening here.
fpbp
>What if they're acting obnoxious and putting me off to seeing her film?
Yes I'm agreeing you you sperg. At the end of the day this is obviously about protecting important IP's image to promote ticket sales, no argument there.
All I'm claiming is there is an anti-sjw culture here that encourages and rewards trolling. Do you really deny this? I don't even care that it happens, a lot of the time it is funny, just for fucks sake own up to it don't pull the dindu nuffin shit. Maybe you didn't personally do it fine whatever but don't gaslight me about the collective.
>Do you really deny this?
Yes. Read the thread you cited as proof, literally every user there is saying the same thing, namely "fuck off with this trash, we see what you're trying to do". This tells me they don't care enough to even do it for a laugh at this point, despite you continuing to claim otherwise.
If some anons care enough to go there and leave a thumbs down or whatever it is, that's not the same thing as an organized troll effort by anons posting under fake accounts to "get back" at a movie they don't/won't like.
Stop pretending this is anything other than normal users making normal posts, it is disingenuous at best and a knowing deflection at worst.
Why not have the audience score for the plebs then so they can know which movies are pleb movies?
>post about The VVitch being good
Top tier b8 let's keep this going
There's gotta be some way we can get the media to blame Reddit for the brigading.
It was, fellow Redditor.
I didn't hear anything about this though until the media started crying about it. Once they brought attention to it and it started picking up momentum I'm sure people went to the site to say they didn't want to see it. But before I saw nothing, no one was even talking about it. It looked like it started off naturally then people freaked out when a large group of people said they didn't want to see the movie.
See here dumbass.
I've seen plenty the of threads laughing about the low want to see score or making fun of Brie Larson but none, on any of the boards calling for a raid.
They finally showed their true intention. Full censorship of the internet is going to happen soon in preparation for 2020 elections.
Next they're going to tell you you weren't here to see it, even though they clearly have no way of determining that and in all likelyhood you're here every day with the rest of us. That user has done nothing but deflect and try to pass their opinion off as fact without any proof.
I fucking hate message board slang.
> 'Shipping'
> 'Brigading'
> 'Flaming'
It all sounds retarded.
Hmm, (((who))) could possibly want to remove something that threatens the validity of the (((reviews))) of (((professional critics)))...
I'll tell you who, the FUCKING JEWS!