Starshoop Troopers isn't "parody," it's just fascist propaganda

it was supposed to be facist according to the director, but anyone witha brain can see the movie was an accurate abstract depiction of the Iraq war

Name one reason voting shouldn't be tied to service

That's a credit to feel-good and fun 90s culture.

You also missed the part where they were treated as disposable dumb grunts with an invisible leadership

This, there are no individuals in societies and nations. There are only leaders and followers. Individualism is a meme that leaders sell followers so followers can view themselves as heroes in their own stories and find self-actualization in their own small way even as their nations march forward to the beat of their labor. It became cancerous in the West though (especially America) after entire generations started being brought up with delusions grandeur and fantasies of greatness until every snowflake and their mom wanted to be famous and trend-setting without actually having done anything to deserve it. It's gotten to where they've forgotten their actual role as contributors to society.

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shouldnt the nazi watchdog be some gross mutt pitbull or something you lobotomite twitter fag?

niggers

>extreme militaristic state that seeks to expand its borders
>only one party known to exist
>suffrage is limited or nonexistent
>extensive usage of propaganda films to indoctrinate its citizens
>the people exist to serve the state not the other way around

You don't see the problem in having to serve the ruling party if you want to vote against them?

because too many retarded crayon eaters are in the military, voting should be restricted to anyone below e4 and any civilian that either doesnt have a family or doesnt pay the average tax output

"Liberal" propaganda would be the (((upper classes))) convincing people to accept bug immigration but really they are just working alongside the brain bugs for cheap bug labor.

the USA is extremely similar to this description and so was the USSR, are they facist?

Just like The Man in the High Castle

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>restricted to
You may wish to check that grammar.

t. /r/fascism

> have a family or doesnt pay the average tax output

This makes sense. People who don't want to raise kids will expect someone else's to look after them when their older.

whats is that user? i dont go on reddit, maybe you should just stay there since you are obviously not from around here

I'd love to see it IRL just to be able to shower with a dozen hot young guys as well as girls lol

>Watching Starship Troopers in class

American education, everyone.

if fascism didn't have aspects that worked no one would have ever tried it

I'm gonna say it....
FUCK BUGS!

Turns out it is a thing. It got banned though.

honestly people tend to overstate the satire element
a lot of the movie plays like a straight action epic, the satire element is more of a sideshow

>all fascists are nazis
yikes

youtu.be/kVpYvV0O7uI

the director didn't even read the book

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Cringe. Individualism wasnt the problem. The democratization of institutions is.
depends on which point, Stalins USSR was incredibly fascist.

>Too stupid to understand satire

Burger, please.

I think he tried reading first four chapters one evening before.

But holy crap, can we stop this meme that Heinlein was a fascist?

>And I call this play - It's A Good Day To Die

This movie is literally, Buffy the Vampire Slayer style, 90210 with futuristic fascist ideological propaganda.
and that's what makes it great.

Literally nothing wrong with fascism. Democracy is cancer. If you think about it logically democracy just leads to everyone voting for free shit and society going down the shitter. Fascism aims for a greater good for all at the expense of short term pleasure

>the movie was an accurate abstract depiction of the Iraq war

Starship Troopers: 1997
Invasion of Iraq: 2003

Verhoven saw into the future?

ITT: Things that never happened.

nobody fucking knows what the word fascism means anymore

Militaristic =/= Fascist

this

>thinks that there was only one Iraq war

....You do know that was the sequel to the Desert war?

Pretty much what said. Having to work for the ruling party to get a vote can be abused very easily. I do however think that voting should be restricted to people that pay taxes.

facism is about giving your shit to one person and telling everyone how good you are for doing it

>Stalins USSR was incredibly fascist.
Look, I'm not gonna call you stupid because honestly this sort of mistake doesn't surprise me in the slightest in this day and age, but fascism refers specifically to authoritarian right-wing government, which Stalin's Russia wasn't.

It's kinda like how libertarianism refers to libertarianism of all sides, but thanks to the American political party with the name, everyone assumes it specifically means the right wing libertarianism.

It's because people form their opinions on what fascism is not by studying fascism but through pop culture.

So all the common pleb knows about fascism is:
>black uniforms
>militaristic
>always the baddies
>always get rekt
>also remember muh six gorrilion

I might be wrong in my observation, but it seems a lot of people also seem think authoritarianism = right wing and libertarianism = left wing, when they're two different things.

>tfw the movie was unironically better than the book
Heinlein was a dogshit author, the premise was excellent but he just sucked fucking ass at writing. Literally the only thing the book had going for it was the whole fascist ideology and the premise of earning citizenship. The rest was utter shit that reads like a highschool fanfic. Seriously who writes a book about interstellar commandos armed to the teeth with tactical nukes and then proceeds to not use one single instance of profanity, even going as far as to "bleep" it out by replacing it with "blankety blank"? What kind of weak gay shit is that? What type of trained killer is too much of a bitch to curse here and there? Also WHAT THE *FUCK* was with the "neodogs" that could speak english? What a gay fucking concept.

The movie was cheesy as fuck, but at least it was entertaining. You know its going to be corny, there is no surprise because you know what youre getting into. The book on the otherhand starts out as if its going to be epic and then turns into the most boring shit ever. Theres literally like 10 pages, tops, where there is any form of action going on, the rest is training and muh feelings and ricos dad joining the troopers for some gay reason. People hype the book like its a must-read when all you really need to get from it is a short paragraph of the political views it presents.

>If you think about it logically
If you think "whatever occurs to me" is being logical, then sure. But the user who said that all systems are about leaders and followers is right; democracy is merely the system where followers are told that they're leaders, but all governments come down to propaganda in the end.

Yet Fascism always leads to a criminal state that steals from its own people and then it collapses in upon itself because a militaristic society that needs to continuously expand to keep its population motivated is unsustainable

>i think im smart but im really just a retarded high schooler
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fascism

>no ones mentioned kikes
It's predictive propaganda for bush era kikery. The same people who tell you to be strong and fight for your country are the ones pushering the degenerate tranny/faggots shit and replacement migration. They just rob grunts on the side to serve their economic interest.

Facism is loyalty towards the state. Real nationalism is loyalty towards the race.

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You just proved his point.

>extreme militaristic state that seeks to expand its borders
Mormons set up colonies in the quarantined bug zone which started the conflict.
>only one party known to exist
No information given, you are making an assumption
>suffrage is limited or nonexistent
Those who enlist get to vote, non-citizens like Rico's parents still manage to get rich and live comfortable lives
>extensive usage of propaganda films to indoctrinate its citizens
All media is propaganda for one side or another
>the people exist to serve the state not the other way around
Ask not what your country can do for you yadda yadda

>fascism is a good system of government during times of crisis
>Lose ww2
lmao

i didnt know they had internet in klendathu

fuck off bug scum

meaner than a concentration camp dog

>at war with almost the entire industrialized world
>lose
who woulda thunk

>Literally everyone in my class wanted to live under the Federation after seeing it.
That's because ugly bug aliens are involved.

Then join the army you fat fucking faggot.

reminder the bugs were the good guys and the whole war was started by mormons just like mountain meadows

Yes, they are idiots and fucked over their own country in the end. Germany, Italy and Japan.

modern democracy = 150 years in most of the world, going strong
communism = lasts 70 years
fascism = lasts 10 years

hmm its almost like fascism works even worse than communism

I don't get it.

>everyone in my class

either you go to a shit college that shows kids movies as part of its curriculum or you're underageB&

You just described democracies perfectly

redpill me on Buenos Aires

False. There is no facism with the humans in Starship Troopers.

...

Shh keep it down, lefties still think we're dumb for liking it for the fascist propaganda and act like we don't know that the book was being "ironic".

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what is spain

Wrong.tiff

youtube.com/watch?v=95OQlvEQNRM

im by no means a nazi or even an nationalist but my point is that you arent proving or disproving the legitimacy of a fascist state by pointing out that they lost wars with odds massively tilted against them. any state would.

holy fuck this is so funny! 1 upvote for you, good sir!

It survived because it was anti-communist in post-ww2 Europe. Then it got fucked. It also wasn't really fascist in the same way as the axis

>lost wars that they started because one of their core ideological concepts is militaristic conquest that will naturally put themselves into conflict with every other state on Earth

imahjun muh schock

Better than watching holocaust movies in german class (greece). It was as if the teacher tried to make us hate germany. All of these movies apart from der Untergang weren't even in german so it wasn't like we were learning the language or anything.

They brought that war on themselves because of retarded fascist policy(Not to mention germany has always been bad at diplomacy with the exception of Bismarck). Them going into a losing war without being sufficiently prepared(to varied degrees between the axis members) is disproving if anything.

nah, not really, plenty of fascist states have existed without military expansionism. spain, chile, portugal, brasil, plenty of the balkan states etc. the war would have occurred had the versailles treaty not been implemented the way it was. ofcourse, this does not excuse the horrendous war crimes by the regimes in question.

the war WOULD NOT* have occured

Sort of true. UK was in fascist mode during WW2, France during WW1. Fascism is really the state of emergency, when government can operate without any checks. The problem is when government becomes fascist during peacetime.

yet democracies are the people stealing from themselves. Even a proxy oligarchy like the US is in the end controlled by the voters.

If we absolute have to narrow it down to the Versailles treaty then it is because a fascist Germany wouldn't have existed.

No.

The movie is a tongue in cheek recreation of a propaganda film. The movie IS the propaganda

>Nothing about it looked dystopian
Are you fucking retarded?

>UK was in fascist mode during WW2
Hardly fascist. It was authoritarian yes

>Fascism is really the state of emergency, when government can operate without any checks
Fascism isn't just that

Sounds like your teacher was just based and lazy.

>americans eager to die in a meaningless war
Yup, checks out

you might just be right. regarding the originial argument, that fascism automatically leads to war, is still up in the air

Fascism is big omnipotent government plus state ideology. There are plenty of countries in the world right now that don't identify as fascist, but in fact copy Mussolini's Italy almost completely. One of the is Russia, for example.

The movie is an ironic propaganda film. It's how the federation would portray themselves as in a movie, while in (the movie's version of) "real life" things are quite different and not nearly as black and white and perfect.

There's a twitter account that replies "woof woof woof" to tweets that the owner of the account considers to support fascism/nazism/individual rights

>during times of crisis
Can you not read? The crisis ended because the fascist state in question was lead by a retard. Also Spain

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>Suspected of wrongthink
They don't see anything wrong with it at all I presume.

bark bark

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sounds like some dumbass take VICE would write

It's worse. The account is basically pointing at accounts for leftshits to dogpile with reports. This typically results in a ban.

Yes but it’s not supposed to be effective propaganda. The audience isn’t supposed to “want to know more”.

fascist states are retarded by nature as they centralize power and create huge blind spots that eventually result in the destruction of the state.

Pretty lazy. In the six years of german lessons we watched schindler's list, the book thief, the pianist, some movie about hitler's life that I can't remember its name, a movie that took place inside a concentration camp that I can't remember its name, der Untergang and die Welle. The only one that didn't take place during WWII was die Welle and all of them had something to do with fascism. Also the only ones that were in german were die Well and der Untergang, pretty dumb to have so few german movies in a german class if you ask me. As I said, this felt more like an anti german class after a while.

They don't centralize as much as communist states do, therefore they are always more efficient and powerful.

the book wasnt being ironic because it wasnt about fascism
see

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they centralize exactly as much if not even more

the only good skinny is a dead skinny

>everyone was happy and everyone had a purpose
The people in the military were poorly-led cannon fodder. The people not in the military were just generic normies.

You can't centralize more then communists. They are the definition if total state control. Fascists never centralize that much. For one they only control a portion of the economy, usually by having party proxies lead large businesses.

Voting should be restricted by IQ

actually applied socialism (communism) is by definition collectivist, ie power and resources are evenly applied, retarded regimes in the 30s notwithstanding

The american whose channel brit is talking about sounds like a total cuck.
If his brand of thinking is becoming the norm in that place you're all fucked.

next time say "effective"

>Starship Troopers depicts a fascist society

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That's how they sell it. In socialism everything belongs to the government, not the people.

then theyre not executing it properly. then it should be called something else, ie stalinism, maoism etc

Voting should be restricted to those who can beat the current leader in a duel.

we had a similar thing but at least we watched them in german most of the time
the teacher wasn't a German teacher just a biology teacher who happened to have minored in German like twenty years prior. The original German teacher quit/fired and they scrambled. Last I heard they only teach Spanish now and this is in northern Minnesota so I've met like six Hispanics up there

maybe, it certainly did a number on germany until hitler decided not to pay it anymore.
However the main cause of the rise of Hitler and his party are connected to the (((commie))) uprising after WW1, without that the party wouldn't even form.

>separation of state and government
>this is somehow like mussolini's italy
what

they should have kept the part in the book where Rico's dad lives through the bug attack and comes and joins Rico's unit

Funny how OP have the same analysis power of myself as a kid.

I also tought it was a cheesy movie pushing military propaganda when I was like 8. When you grow up, you will learn what sarcasm is.

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>This guy becomes your leader bros

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Yes they are.

At least if you let yourself be taken into the mobies universe. Its like when a comedy movie feautures a comedy set in the movie. The set itself is still funny

They are. There's no other way. Socialism goes agaisnt basic human nature.

National Socialism is not Socialism in the traditional sense of wealth redistribution and the Proletariat vs. Bourgeoise. It's more lile the government seeks protections for its native Ethnic working populace so corporations can't lobby to undermine good working conditions/wages in order to make an extra dime.
It's just privileging your in-group so to speak which is what basically all non-commie governments did prior to globalization.

Voting should be restricted to land owning family units. That would by proxy select for IQ as well as select mostly whites to vote.

Is this why big german industrialists all backed Hitler and bankrolled his movement?
>protect the worker
user, stop.

Fascism appeals to idiots in need of order and stability, so that's not surprising.

Basic human nature is to work as a collective in benefit of everyone, not each for his own wild west

woof woof

Starship Troopers is a young adults book about civic engagement. So on one hand it is a ridiculous portrayal of a system of government that only morons could find appealing. On the other hand its a fucking kids book. Stop reading into it so much.

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I'm sure we can make it more civilized.

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>to benefit everyone
In your in-group or tribe.

nope

Republics are the best. *dabs*

He was anti communist so they embraced him. Then regretted it when they lost control of their industries.

Why did 700 million white people reject systems like that?

Either you get a pussy leader and everyone can vote, or a giant mega chad fighter and nobody can vote.

The best alternative is: The leader is the man able to win a giant tournament that happens at every 5 years: First you have municipal eliminatory fase, then a state eliminatory fase, and then the national finals. Every other political position also works with tournaments as well, from judge to municipal deputy, from mayor to governor. All happens at once, and you can only run for one spot at a time, no acumulation.

Now THIS is a society for the strong.

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I THINK BUENOS AIRES SUCKS

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no, they are not, they are executing a authoritarian state where they pick and choose what to follow and not follow. its not appliad socialism, it is something else in nature.

No it's not. Humans stay in tribes to climb the social pyramid and ultimately benefit themselves

If they didn't want effective propaganda they should have made a shitty movie.

>in benefit of everyone
Lmao

Humans benefit themselves by benefiting others. This is the base tribe mentality that proliferates the animal kingdom, i.e. mutually-beneficial egoism -- quid pro quo; The Golden Rule; etc.

Those big German industrialists were one of the former key pillars of the Kaiserreich. They were the societal class that legitimized the Kaiser's power along with the Junkers, the military, the agriculturalists and the Protestant church. After the fall of the Empire these groups suffered a massive loss in their often exclusive and aristocratic powers and influence. Hitler promised to restore their prestige should they support his bid for leadership. But Hitler wasn't a fool. He wasn't as fond of them as they were of him. They believed they could manipulate and influence him as they did Kaiser Wilhelm but Hitler planned for this and brought them under his thumb. This actually backfired on him in the end though because many of the traitors within the military and the government who gave VITAL (And I do mean vital) information to the Allies as well as the July Assassination group were comprised of these disgruntled aristocrats who didn't feel Hitler was respecting their authority. In the end though everyone lost because the power these aristocrats had retained after WWI was completely abolished after WWII. Serves them right for prioritizing their own power over the good of their country.

Humans work in groups against the majority. If you arnt doing this you are missing out. There can be groups within groups of course. Family before city. City before country, country before race, race before humanity.

Humans stay in tribes because it's evolutionarily beneficial to do so.
Creatures that cast away their identity and sense of community necessarily fail to reproduce and don't succeed.
If even a single group of the same species of any given creature begins to practice centrism and in-group preference, all other creatures must necessarily adopt the same strategy because non-reciprocated altruism is guaranteed to benefit only the in-group.

When Starship Troopers get to Klendathu, shouldn't Earth be hundreds of years in the future?

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Misplaced delusions of egalitarianism.

>Basic human nature
Where's the evidence?
People will generally do whatever they can get away with, hence why the belief in sky wizards and the promise of punishment/reward after death has been a thing in every culture EVER.

A recent study performed at workplaces found that by placing a printout of two eyes, yes, just eyes, above a collection box for charitable contributions to the office pool for snacks found that the tally at the end of a week was more than double than what it was when the eyes weren't pasted near the box.

People will try to get away with what they can, and have to be forced, in one way or another, to treating others well.

Your assertion works within a family, or other closeknit group like a tribe, but the further you get from that magic number of 80-150 individuals the more reward/punishment is necessary to instill in them something that you claim is innate.

I dont know. Western Europe is the greatest place on Earth. The US doesnt qualify since its no longer white.

The Forever War covers this very well.
Would make a great movie, and the fags would love it because when the protag returns from the War and thousands of years have passed due to time dilation everyone has become a tranny and a fag and the protag is like 'o fug'.

Reminder that the "false flag" theory is pure Reddit and has absolutely no shred of evidence to back it up. The Bugs did in fact strike first.

Yes, I want to move to planet Middle Finger

>defending your species from hostile aliens is fascism

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So you're saying that the only way to unite humanity is to introduce an outside-context threat?

Interesting...

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How is it ironic? Humans were attacked by aliens, fought back and won.

Do I need to take some marxism classes to see how humans winning is a bad thing?

That doesn't really fit in with Verhoeven's the-government-is-literal-Nazis approach.

I just knew him as Doogie Howser M.D.

Verhoeven is a retard. He thought that white people would see the uniforms and freak out because Holocaust.

>primitive bug society
>having the technology to fire astroids across the cosmos with pinpoint accuracy
>they only do this once

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This. Those who think most people would sacrifice thenselves for the counutry, or put the nation interest above their own individual or family interests, is fucking sociopathic and unable to understand how others work. If the nation or collective interests go against his own, or the interests of his family, he will obviously rebel, because those hold higher places on the scale of importance for him.

It's very likely that decades later Dr. Manhatam became nothing more than a boogeyman, and people went back to wage war.

No one freaks out at american uniforms, fasces or eagle imagery.

Too bad starship troopers has nothing to do with fascism.
American "education" at work

starshiptroopers.fandom.com/wiki/Plasma_Bug
>With each bug specially engineered for a specific role in combat, Plasma Bugs serve as planetary defense, anti-aircraft and artillery units. They have an enormous abdomen which swells up and can launch a plasma burst into orbit. The burst is powerful enough to deflect an asteroid or slice a capital ship in two.

Stay down, retard.

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Their biological arsenal is even better than this, user. There are comics, other movies, and a 3D cartoon of it with a fuckton of lore.

Learn more about the stuff before shitting trough your fingers.

>Yea Forums discussing politics
yikes

How would you remove ineffective leaders if your right to vote them out is tied to working for them?

Facsim will win

europeans do

>can just easy deflect an asteroid perfectly and fire it directly at earth
Just keep eating up that federation bullshit sheeple.

>One of the is Russia, for example
imagine being this retarded

Animals can do amazing things, due to specialized genetics.

Also it's confirmed that the bugs did fire the asteroid. The "humans blew up their own city" narrative is literally from Reddit.

>hurr durr fascism is bad because Jews always get fucked by it

Democracy is cancer, it has failed. Belief in your people and in something greater than yourself is what gives life real meaning. We live in a dystopian nightmare now, open your eyes.

At least under monarchy and fascism we know the dick that might end up fucking us. Under democracy we don't see it and they hide in the shadows while raping you and your children down the road.

Pretty sure europeans make fun of american genetics. Not your military uniforms.

> leader intentionally declares war on the entire world
> people get raped and starve
Great system you got there, mate.

Doesn't matter if the director read the book or not. The movie is the movie, the book is the book. And it's quite clear that the government is NS in the book, as well, regardless of whether Heinlein intended it to be so or not

>winning side confirmed the bugs did fire the asteroid
I rest my case

Spain and Portugal were literally the asshole of Europe during the Cold War

>There are comics, other movies, and a 3D cartoon of it with a fuckton of lore.
irrelevant to discussion about the movie

In a normal society, you would be killed for advocating the destruction of your own species.

Fascism only works when it isn’t ran by Jews and other assorted psychopaths. There’s no better system of rule than a benevolent dictator.

Butthurt vantik?

A constitutional monarchy with free-market economy is the best system.

Is confirmed in the lore of the movie that they fired the asteroid, retard. Like you or not.

Scum like you should be trown to the bugs. Maybe after losing a limb or two you will see how "opressed by the eeevil federation" they are.

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>all the pro-bug posters are liberal

hmmmm

Like Scandinavia ? =o)

No because it invariably is open to infiltration by groups that will seek to subvert it. The government must be proactive in protecting the nation from harmful outsiders who seek to undermine it

Spain and Portugal weren't fascist. Neither was Japan for that matter. But jews lump them together to oindoctrinate the goyim. Same with Italy and NS Germany. They're not the same ideologies

>Scandinavia
>free-market economy

The tone change when actual acts of violence starts happening is reminiscent of fucking All Quiet on the Western Front, was everybody in your class 10 years old? If youre desensitized to violence in films it probably didn’t register with you that much but to anyone non psychopathic the tone change is so abrupt and it’s almost too obvious

>confirmed by the fascist government
You retardation is only amplified by anime posting, dumb nigger. Like it or not, it was a false-flag.

Yep because Scandinavia remains such a Utopia today

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You could tell the green goblin struck fear into Peter's heart when he described himself like that. I was on the edge of my seat.

>The government must be proactive in protecting the nation from harmful outsiders who seek to undermine it
Hence the monarchy aspect.

They do it constantly, that's why there's a moon defense system

you for sure require a below 90 IQ to believe that Russia is fascist and not an oligarchy

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom
> Sweden and Denmark are both more liberal economies than the US

Fuck it, you are just a delusional bug loving paranoid motherfucker. Keep basking in the shit of your conspiracional theories, fucking libtard.

Still remains a constitutional monarchy. Besides, having ~6-8% muslims sure beats having 12% niggers and 30% spics.

Canada and Britain are constitutional monarchies. Its working out great for them!

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Fascism gets shit done

>humans are bad for defending themselves against an alien threat

this is your brain on reddit, you literally have broken minds

> Fascism gets things done.
Prior to fascism, German women were prostituting themselves for money. After fascism, they were prostituting themselves for bread and cigarettes.

>Prior
>After
How about during, you smelly jew?

>after fascism
key words

I can't tell if you are a genuine retard or just trying to larp as a bootlicker from the ST universe. Ironic shitposting is still shitposting though, so kys my guy.

everyone who lived was a cripple, lol

>ignores the fact you are being replaced at the fastest rate in the West (exception of Canada)

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Do they really pay you so well in JIDF to make such low quality posts, Herschel?

this, humans should have just let the bugs win

humans deserve to die for their crimes against nature

During their short fascist experiment, they had the brilliant idea to declare war on the entire world (again). Sure is a great system, 10/10

>198 reply thread about the ideology of starship troopers
>3 mentions of heinlein
quality discussion

Every significant fascist movement (i.e. every one that found a nontrivial amount of success - Italian Fascists, German NatSoc, Romanian Iron Guard) not only used organized street violence as a legitimate method for coming to power, but embarked on military adventurism abroad (italian africa, hitler's lebensraum) and hailed war as the supreme test of individual and national glory.

Not every 'militaristic' movement is fascist, but every fascist movement is militaristic.

>ignores the fact that Jewish influence in the West was instrumental in destroying the once proud German people

Okay Goldberg

Your shitty graph in no way accounts for population percentage. There could be one Muslim, for all that graph shows. Now, post non-hispanic-whites trajectory in the US.

Your opinion is shit and based on absolutelly NOTHING. No facts, no wikia, no anything. Even people who say Jar Jar Binks was a Sith lord at least tried to point out some stuff as proof, but you can't even do that. You just say your shit and done, you think everybody should believe it.

Aliens can shoot outside of space, whether you admit it or not. 3 movies, one cartoon, lots of comics, everything proves I'm right. Now shut the fuck up and go suck a bug's dick, you are an open enemy of mankind.

>during fascism they were getting fucked for free

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> low quality post
> butthurt fascists practically get in line to respond with autistic screeching

It's a great system if you don't have retarded people leading it.

When you challenge the kike world order war is necessary to solidify the existence of your nation for they will not allow it to exist

serving wasnt obligatory, whats the problem?

pretty sure they did that to themselves.

anti-human subversives want to vote without earning it

Obviously, you never read The Republic, written by Plato.

I guess it's a shame then that the only people who could possibly believe in it are literal retards.

What did Ethiopia have to do with establishing the existence of Italy?

The entire West is being replaced. Sweden, followed by Canada are occurring at the fastest rates. I never said the US wasnt being replaced, you will tip in the 2030s, the US by 2045.

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>fascist state in question was lead by a retard
Which retard? Hitler? Mussolini? Whoever was leading Japan? If the system needs an amazing leader to not get completely annihilated then it is not a very good system.

Why does he always get left out of the discussion? Where is the larpers love for Franco?

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Sure thing Feinberg. The Polish people werent committing terrible crimes against the German diaspora and the Jews werent instrumental in destroying Germany thanks to to WW1 along with mobilizing the entire West against them in WW2.

Ethnic Swedes still account for ~85% of their own population. What's that number like for White America?

it's the best movie I was ever shown in a class

>declare war on Poland because they wouldn't return stolen territory. Territory that wanted to join Germany
>means declaring war on the whole world
This is your brain on soi

> Proud and mighty Germans
> only takes a handful of subversive kikes to turn the entire world against them because of their own retardation

>director said it was parody

this
brainlets really make me sick

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Franco can't rightly be called fascist. He was a run-of-the-mill military backed despot ala pinochet.

it is establish in the start of the movie that the Federation have the technology to stop asteroids but they (((failed))) to stop the one that hit buenos aires, you can wonder why the federation even bothers invading a bug planet, a planet with no resources, the Federation seems to fuel with intergalactic conflitcs.

> territory that you willingly hand over in a treaty
> stolen
this is your brain on fascism.

What's dystopian about it?

yeah man fuck fighting for your life

just roll over and die like a true intellectual

Because either nobody knows who he was, or remembers anything about spain, who was so poor and run down from that they couldn't even participate in the greatest european war cup championship in a century. And then they missed the sudden death match 20 years later too,
Really bad show from spain, I mean really pathetic.
>rape the americas for all the gold and silver they could carry
>have an empire on which the sun never sets
>be consigned to irrelevancy for the past 300 years
lmao
imagine being spanish, and most people will think of mexico before they think of spain

Redditors now switching from "feds nuked their own city" to "feds let bugs nuke city"

> literally every adult is scarred for life

Continuation of the scramble of Africa. Ethiopia was Italy seeking to establish a foreign Empire far too late into the game. Its flawed to call the war with Ethopia a fascist adventure abroad as it stems from grievances dating back to the late 19th century and to restate the Scramble for Africa. With your logic it would make sense to call the rest of Europe invading and conquering Africa in the 19th century as fascist wars but that's blatantly wrong as well.

Your kike revisionism wont work here.

>willingly
Yep, like putting a gun to your head and telling you to give me your money.. "willingly"

>only people who served in the military become citizens who vote and can enter politics
>everyone else is a civilian who lives peacefully and accepts they have no political power regarding policies

literally name one problem with this system

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And being replaced at a faster rate than the US. You are arguing semantics, you are being replaced quicker. Both Sweden's and the US' destiny are brown unless things change.

it birthed the best director of all time, I’d say it’s a fair trade off. Atleast Spain can say the best French films were made by a Spaniard

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> escalate world war 1 because of retarded posturing
> get utterly rekt
> have to sign over territory
> it wasn't fair, they put a gun to our head, fucking kikes, REEEEEEEEE!
Sure is master race in here

What's your point?

I never said that whites were superior. Ashkenazi Jews have a higher IQ. It doesnt change the fact that you all deserve to be kicked out of our countries and we deserve to determine our own destinies.

you tried to determine your own destiny. You wound up with a big fat Slav cuck up your petite little Kraut asshole.

>lose previous war
>lose territory
>rebuild military and start invading nearby countries again despite the world telling you to stop
>be warned by the entire developed world to not invade poland
>make up some landgrab excuse as to why you it is your right to invade poland
>act like the victim when the entire world can see that you're just trying to seize more land/power

>muh Germany was the bad guy
>ignores Lusitania incident and kike lobbying for US entry and post war German punishment

The whole movie can be summed up as "we're going to tell you it's propaganda and yet you're going to eat all this shit anyway".

so it's just like CNN

>kike subverted Western and Communist states fought back your attempt to free yourself
>hurr durr you tried to determine your own destiny

Okay

> a treaty is just a scrap of paper, Paris by christmas!
> it wasn't fair, fucking kikes, REEEEEEEEEE!

Don't strain your brain trying to twist it in more gymnastics.

My "logic" never said "all imperialism is fascism", it said "all fascists are inherently imperialistic". If you think imperialism is wrong then you should probably condemn fascism. Although it's not only conceivable but observable for a liberal democratic state ala Norway or Denmark to exist quite stably without imperialism.

How exactly did Germany escalate WW1?
Kek, this Allied propaganda. Danzig wanted to join Germany. Same as Austria. The only argument you can make here is Czhechoslovskis

> those damn subversive kikes, making us invade Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark and Norway

>The only argument you can make here is Czhechoslovskis
That's the only argument I need. Face it wehraboo. No matter how much you spin it, Germany was in the wrong.

fascism and oligarchy can coexist.

The liberal democratic states you espouse virtue to are on the verge of collapse.

You are using historical revisionism to twist the history to fit your narrative. You cannot argue fascism is inherently imperialistic when it is tied to protecting the nation. How did Spain exist for so long without going on foreign adventures then?

By killing them

That's your opinion

Cringe

After fascism shit gets rebuild very fast. After communism though... There are no examples of post-communist country that managed to rebuild capitalism properly. Eastern Europe to the west of Ukraine doesn't count, they were occupied.

Nothing.
Rico's father was rich as fuck and didn't want his son getting involved in wars and fighting.
Both his parents have that typical bourgeois attitude towards national service and turned their noses up to it.

In the book "service guarantees citizenship" is taken further, and it's not only military service that's a gateway to political representation.

In theory, we've replaced this with the paying of taxes. If only those that paid taxes, ie. those funding the volunteer soldiers for the defence of the realm, were given power to vote, there shouldn't be a problem either. But no. We have every pathetic housebound "socialist" or antifa that survives on handouts from their parents, who want to dictate the spending of other people's money still being allowed to vote (and they, ironically, end up voting for those that would eventually eat them alive).

> how did they escalate?
encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/germanys_blank_cheque_to_austria-hungary
awm.gov.au/collection/C95998
> Danzig wanted to join Germany
[CITATION NEEDED]
Besides, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Norway, Belgium, the Netherlands, Yugoslavia, Luxembourg and Greece most certainly did not want to join Germany.

not once your 12 year old girls get ISLAMED, go get a gun and remove kebab

not real liberal democracies

No it's fact. The only people who disagree are nazi sympathizers like yourself. Don't violate treaties and invade other countries. Avoid WW2.

Are you saying that you and your class are brainlets?

> Fascist states managed to collapse in barely a decade
> liberal democratic states have been stable and prosperous for more than century
> t-t-they'll collapse any minute now. you'll see! damn kikes! REEEEEEEEE!

LOL

>give unlimited power to an autistic failed artist
>surprised when he makes retarded decisions that end with every global power at war with your cunt

amazing system

I would love to hear you try and prove how Italy's war in Ethiopia was about 'protecting' the italian nation or why a foreign empire was necessary at all.

As for Franco's Spain

Reminder that it was the leftist australian prime minister of the day that was constantly shrieking in that horrid aussie nasal accent for ever harsher penalties to be put on germany, far surpassing what even the french and those others more directly affected by the machinations of the german war machine, were asking for.

>the eternal aussie
They truly are the worst.

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Forget all the retarded posturing for and against fascism, at least we can all agree that imperialism is the natural evolution of human civilization and that literally every government form in history has pursued it and will continue to do so until the end of time.

>The Polish people werent committing terrible crimes against the German diaspora and the Jews werent instrumental in destroying Germany thanks to to WW1 along with mobilizing the entire West against them in WW2.
literally all three of these things are false

t. non jew

I don't remember Germany asking the UK or France who had no business to join the war. Furthermore we seem to be forgetting what Serbia did.

As for Danzig, the Senate, rhe government and the majority of the population were NS. As for the rest of your examples - they don't work. Getmany was at war

>I don't remember Germany asking the UK or France who had no business to join the war.
they honored a treaty, something which is apparently unthinkable for germans and retards such as yourself

>Furthermore we seem to be forgetting what Serbia did.
Serbia did nothing, a Serbian did something

Then why do you point the finger at Germany when they did the exact same thing?
>Serbian did something
You can make the same kind of logic with Osama bin Laden and Afghanistan. Why was Afghanistan invaded then?

it's defi a fascist propaganda and a good propaganda.

the power if the ultimate force

> we can do whatever we want, we're at war
> why do you take our territory, fucking subversive kikes, REEEEEEEE!
Pathetic

The Germans wiped their asses in treaties, that's the problem.

>What Serbia did
>
>Serbian even agrees to all but 1 point of AH's ultimatum anyway, the one which any sovereign nation would reject
>Germany agrees to fully support AH, no questions asked, rejects any British attempt of mediation.
>UK is even still on the fence until Germany decides that breaking a treaty on and invading a country has no relation to the above is fine

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>Why was Afghanistan invaded then?
for american interests and dubious reasons, what makes you think i support the invasion and that it has any relevance to the topic?

yeah, why is that difficult to understand?, Paul Verhoeven movies aren't that naive; you can even say that the USA military let the Pearl Harbor attack happen to get more idiots to join the World War

now THIS is tinfoil

You're branching off topic. The point is Germany didn't escalate anymore than the rest of the European powers did

They literally did

when democracy was invented, you had to complete your military in order to be allowed to vote.

Technically they did. Roosevelt's goal was to find a way to enter the war and help his budsy Churchill, but he didn't have support. So he decided to push Germany and Japan especially to the brink so they would lash out. And Japan did.

chocolate chocolate

How much freedom would you lose if only veterans got the vote?
For Congress, you get a 1 in 700,000.
If you live in a hard red or blue area, your vote will definitely make no difference.
Even if you live in a swing district, you probable only have 2 realistic candidates, the chances of them lining up perfectly with your politics are slim.
Even if you get the perfect candidate, he gets a 1 in 400 vote on whatever is being discussed.

It’s not even a drop in a bucket, and you could earn that vote with service.

Why does that matter. He wasn’t shooting the book, he was shooting the script.

>Literally everyone in my class wanted to live under the Federation after seeing it.
Lmaoing at white people

The point is that it's easy to manipulate people to support your narrative. People get too lost in the idea that it's fascist (not those NAZIS again!!!), but the true nature of the beast has no concrete political ideology. Whatever works, works. Control of the minds, control of the universe.

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>they lost wars with odds massively tilted against them
They did that to themselves, by being fascists. Holy shit, brainlet.

>Starship troopers is fascistic
It's a meritocratic republic, it's a democracy not a corporatist dictatorship but of course no one wants to read Heinlein's book on the matter and instead focuses on the shit tier movie where Johnny Rico is a WASP for some reason.

It's not fascistic just because it's authoritarian and perfectly liberal ffs.

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>They did that to themselves
>by being fascists
>calling anyone else a brainlet
Read Ernst Nolte or something holy shit

>due to specialized genetics
Find me one that can yeet a fucking rock thousands of light years into the enemy.

GET THE FUCK OUT MUTT

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>No facts, no wikia
Imagine typing this unironically.

It's canon in the actual book that no one even knows about because they're fucking retarded consumerists

Swap the bugs for straight white men and it is a documentary of our times

(((straight white men)))

The ones that destroyed Buenos Aires who work as an interstellar partial hivemind previously alined with the Skinnies which Rico fucking genocides in the first part of BOOK YOU FAGGOT

>and instead focuses on the shit tier movie where Johnny Rico is a WASP for some reason.
suck shit pinoyfag
"most powerful race"
more like "most cuckerful race" right?
lmaowao

>in the first part of BOOK
That has nothing to do with the movie, you retarded cocksucker.

>liberal democratic states have been stable and prosperous for more than century
>stable and prosperous
Fascistic states have existed throughout the 20th century and many argue that China adopted fascistic economic policies after Deng Xiaopeng liberalized their economy mildly. No system of government is perfect

wtf i thought retrievers are bros

Plasma Bugs. Are you retarded?

There are tiny shrimps that can break your bones with a flick of their claws. Specialized animals can do crazy things.

His actual name is Juan "Johnny" Rico.

>Movie based off the book has nothing to do with the book
Uh huh

That's Holly dude, it's Cesar's archnemesis.

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god get out of here with your reddit cringe memes

they didnt, their oligarchical leaders did

most people dont and shouldnt care for politics

It's not that the movie isn't a satire, it's just that the movie is an inept satire.

You could literally say the same thing about Republican France and republicanism after the Napoleonic Wars you literal establishment bootlickers. Powers that be saw a rival political ideology and organizing strategy and crushed it.

facism is a literal ideology, russia is not a follower of that ideology at app, unless youre a retard who thinks facists invented and have a patent on being anti-retardedforeigners and pro nationalism

Look up Dugin.

>leftists are unironically defending literal bugs

jesus christ we cannot get the civil war fast enough