who was, historically speaking, in the wrong here?
Who was, historically speaking, in the wrong here?
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Grayson Morris
Cato, he literally could have lived peacefully under Caesar in Rome for the rest of his life if he wasn't autismo.
Cato did everything in his power to kill Caesar and in return he got nothing but mercy.
It all could have been avoided if the Pompey faction was not pants on head retarded though, if they just listened to Cicero they could have had a Caesar who was only in control of 1 legion and 1 province, Caesar literally offered them a way out of civil war and they denied. So much for being "conservative", they literally chose a civil war because of their stubbornness and pride. The Roman republic would have been saved if they just listened to Cicero.
Christopher Flores
In the show? Cato.
Irl? Cato.
Colton Gonzalez
Everyone. Caesar had no reason to come back to rome and give up is immunity to prosecution and everyone and their mother in rome was jealous of Caesars succes and feared Sulla 2.0. In the end the game of brinksmanship ended with a Civil war that was won by the underdog. Pompey, once the greatest general of the Republic, became a feeble old man who was bossed around by spoiled aristocrats who were more worried about their daily baths than winning the bloody war. Pharsalus only happened because Pompey was forced to attack. If he had just starved Caesar, the Civil war would have ended then and there.
Cato specifically though was another problem. The series got his age quite wrong. When Cato died he was barely 40. So most of Caesar's career he had to contend with a young Cato that was the spitting image in demanour and appearance to his ancestor. Imagine being the President of the US and young Andrew Jackson/Teddy Roosevelt guy sits in the Senate and tries to ruin you at every turn.
On top of that, Cato had a lot of admirers and fans in the voting block of the equestrians and the more conservative plebs as well. He was far from a sperging fringe figure. He just lacked the will and the connections to secure himself a consulship. In the end though, Cato did something really manyl and probably indirectly denied Caesar everlasting peace. He offed himself so no once could say, that Caesar spared Cato the younger.
Leo Reyes
Both. Don't even @ me with your Cicero reaction pics.
Kayden Diaz
>the spitting image in demanour and appearance to his ancestor
Isaiah Gray
Cato was elder god tier based.
Henry Ward
I don't know about Jackson but at that early stage of his career TR was generally thought of as (unintentionally) hilarious. MISTAH SPEAKAH!
Jose Lewis
>>Pompey, once the greatest general of the Republic
>Can't beat Sertorius
>Only beats Mithridates and Tigranes after Lucullus had them beaten already
>Can't win a battle unless he outnumbers his opponent by a large margin
>Flees from Rome and italy even though Caesar crossed the Rubicon with only one legion
>never the man
>never drew a dime
Leo Cook
Pompey was great as a grand strategist, his tactical blunders don't matter when he has a solid strategy.
>gets rid of the pirate problem in no time.
>Reorganizes his conquest like some mythical ancestor of Rowboat Girlyman and presents everything to the Senat to just rubberstamp it and send Governors.
>Solves the liquidity crisis of the state through his war spoils and shares of his clients(many of them were client kings)
>Never ever considered to become Sulla, he rather enjoyed being the most loved guy in Rome.
Jonathan Collins
Everyone except Cicero
Aiden Lopez
>Never ever considered to become Sulla
>Implying a romanized Gaul from Picenum could become a second Sulla
Pompey absolutely tried to become dictator during the years of unrest while caesar was in Gaul and Clodius just ran rome through his mob. The fact that the senate only allowed him to be consul without a partner instead of straight up becoming dictator really shows that Pompey never really had as much power as he probably himself thought in the years leading up to the civil war.
Charles Ross
Cato should've exercised his authority as paterfamilias to rein in his slut sister.
Daniel Thomas
Really? Every source claims, that Pompey was fucking his qt wife Julia while Caesar was conquering Gaul and didn't give two shits about politics. Only once she died in childbirth and finally waking up to the reality that Caesar has surpassed him as bestest General ever he finally allied with Optimates.
Charles Perry
Cato. Caesar wasn't going to make himself king, he would have been content to live his life out as a Dictator, the Republic would have survived him just like it survived Sulla.
Matthew Gomez
Unironically all parties involved except Cicero
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Kevin Martin
>Caesar had no reason to come back to rome and give up is immunity to prosecution
Yeah he should have stayed in Gaul and let Cato have him stripped of his honors and exiled forever as a traitor, wow what a retard imagine caring if you get banished from your home forever and lose everything you fought so hard for lmao what a loser!
Ryan Morris
>muh based kikero
He was a coward and a traitor, he got the miserable end he deserved.
Hudson Wood
Cato obviously. Caesar more or less declared war on his own nation.
Grayson Miller
Caesar did not give up on the republic, the republic gave up on Caesar.
He would have been content with staying as governor and running for consul but the senate just had to fuck with him.
The republic would still be around today if it was not for Pompey and his goons.
Noah Morris
>The republic would still be around today if it was not for Pompey and his goons.
Cooper Martinez
Eeryone but the messenger, who didn't get shot because guns weren't invented yet.
Matthew Green
t.pompey
Caesar was based and didn't actually want to destroy the republic.
Thomas Rivera
cato, the republic was corrupt at its core and ravaged constantly by civil war and turmoil and caesar and augustus effectively saved it