Alright, so everyone says this show is ruined by identity politics and agenda pushing. So what would a true, right-wing Star Trek look like?
Alright, so everyone says this show is ruined by identity politics and agenda pushing. So what would a true...
Camden Nelson
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Isaac Russell
We don’t want right wing Star Trek. We just want a show that’s free pf SJW agenda.
Jacob Wright
Captain Maxwell was right.
Ian Watson
Anybody who doesn't like this show is literally Hitler.
Jayden Reyes
>So what would a true, right-wing Star Trek look like?
You've got this all wrong.
You need to think. With your brain.
>Science Fiction.
You have SCIENCE and then you have FICTION.
You combine these two and have INTERESTING stories.
You may include normal politics to your stories, but you should try to study them from all perspectives.
If you start to push a real world agenda, it's not science fiction anymore, it's propaganda and every scifi nerd recognizes that from miles away. It stinks to high heavens.
Parker Wilson
star trek has always been sjw as fuck, only zoomers that don't remember and brainlets pretend it wasn't.
Jaxson Ward
>trek has always been sjw
Wrong. Gene Roddenberry was an old school liberal. I have no problem with old school liberals. Unfortunately liberalism is dead. It was murdered by totalitarian SJWs. Liberals created their own destroyers. Today's feminists would bash Roddenberry as a “sexist pig” for making male entertainment and banging all of his hot actresses.
Michael Adams
You're not a fan. Star Trek is Centrist. Gene Rot and Buried tried to virtue signal for season 3 or 4 but died before he could go Jew Left.
Ryder Parker
Star Trek is "classic" liberalism.
Jeremiah Gutierrez
That's what the mirror universe is supposed to be
Aiden Cook
A right-wing Star Trek show would like like TOS, TNG and ENT. DS9 and VOY come close.
Ryan Phillips
except for ds9 star trek always swept populist issues under the rug
Ayden Cox
hurrdurr if it can't be far left it, must be far right durrrrr
Jace Sanders
Star Trek was always a commie propaganda. This show actually sucks at being a commie propaganda and it's just strong women.
Josiah Thomas
Nobody wants a right wing trek. We just dont want a trek that plays like it was written by Lisa Simpson
Henry Martinez
>The right loves sucking the dick of authority figures
Probably a show set on Cardassia (pre-DS9) where the Cardassians are unironically portrayed as heroes.
Elijah Mitchell
>everyone says this show is ruined by identity politics and agenda pushing
no, it's ruined by god awful writing
Lincoln Phillips
Are they not the same thing?
Kayden Martin
Voyager is as redpilled as it gets. In one episode they had aliens playing the "I'm a poor refugee" act while slowly replacing the crew until they ended up taking over the ship.
Someone should really make a webm of that.
Christian Hernandez
i just want a good show with good characters in the classic format. i know the show bends left but i don't care. i know dax is a parallel for trans but i don't care. i know its space communism but i don't care. i know its a low budget show but i don't care. give me a good scifi show with good characters in space and i'll fucking watch it. i don't even care if it doesn't live up to the past series, i'll watch it.
there is a fucking proven formula to star trek.
there is an established die-hard fanbase.
the path has been paved for you yet you still fuck it up.
Robert Price
Anthony Harris
I'd like a show WITHOUT a Mary Sue who can't act going around instantly solving everyone's problems while womansplaining everything.
STD is shit for multiple reasons but Michael Burnham is #1.
Henry Turner
>trek "fans" complaining Star Trek has too much real world social justice in it
Amusing.
William Harris
i popped a boner
Mason Jenkins
Gender: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Privilege. Its five-year mission: to explore strange new orientations. To seek out new drugs and new forms of oppression. To boldly go where no non-binary has gone before!
Leo Walker
not really. regardless of the PC shit it's just a badly written show with terrible character development and cringe dialogue. since none of the characters are real and the story isn't all that exciting either, there's no reason to care about anything that happens. it reminds me of the SW prequels
Lincoln Murphy
TNG, but with more talk about human biodiversity and showing what life is like in the various new ethnostates on Earth, like the New African Federation (I think?), where LaForge is from. Judging from his name, him or his family were back to Africa types.
Jayden Parker
Too bad in the actual episode everyone is a comically sadistic backstabbing asshole
Charles Baker
absolute kino, the only redeeming thing about STD is that it makes ENT fifty times better just out of comparison
Levi Hill
It's not even that people want a right wing trek, it's just that STD is so completely sjw garbage that it has pissed all over everything that made trek, trek!
>Little to no actual exploration
>crew hates each other and constantly gets into bitch fits
>Klingons, who once had a deep cultural and family lore have been reduced to MAGA stand ins (and the makeup looks like shit)
>The ship is terrible looking
>Acting, writing and production is subpar compared to shows filmed in 1997 with half the budget
>Cast and production staff attack the audience instead of doing literally anything different
Jaxson Sanchez
The latest Discovery episodes have quite a TOS feel. Burnham is also appearing a bit less, which is also good.
Joshua Walker
And I forgot to mention that DS9 is concentrated cancer. It is anti-Trek with their Section 31 bullshit.
Aaron Nguyen
how much are they paying you for this?
Evan Foster
Like jannies I work for free ;)
Landon Reyes
how do you pay for the HRT then?
Robert Cox
How is STD sjw?
Elijah Cooper
a mirror universe show
dont listen to fags who think anything with a black or female lead is "SJW shit" btw
Justin Morris
I think the health care system in my country would pay for the procedure, if I was so inclined. Let's stay on topic, please.
Zachary Richardson
>everything has to be extreme right wing or puke inducking leftism.
I miss the old days when you could be a moderate and noone bullied you for that.
Brandon Stewart
It's primarily ruined by being shit and boring. Michael Burnam being perfect to a fault doesn't really help though. They should really have just merged her and Tilly into one character.
David Evans
>everything has to be extreme right
No ones asking for this, and there arent any shows with a staunchly conservative slant. Its not the same.
Cooper Jones
Don't even worry about this shit. It legally isn't Star Trek. It has to be 25% different under the license it's produced.
Gabriel Morris
People are desperate for change and moderates just don't cut it anymore.
Mason Cox
You spelled it out, omg some people can't spell.
I must recompile my life.
Brandon Jackson
michael burnham is competent, not a fucking mary sue. if she was a mary sue people would have listened to her over the klingons and she would have saved girgiou. she fucked up with the klingon encounter so badly, that any cries of "mary sue" is from people who have a problem with women.
Nolan Walker
>right-wing Star Trek
Can't I just want some good ol' fashioned Start Trek... free from current political bullshit?
Levi Anderson
it has star trek int he name, has spock in it and is on CBS
so idk wtf u r talking about faggot. do you watch that youtuber who spends all week talking about how much he hates discovery, women and how his sources tell him ti is getting cancelled?
Colton Long
what do people think TOS was? they had a black woman and a white man kiss for the sake of it, they also had "forced diversity" with a russian and jap on the bridge.
Brayden Nguyen
The thing about right wingers is they generally don't demand all of their entertainment perfectly embody their political stances. Left wingers are the ones who've pushed and pushed to remove any barrier between personal and political, and turn everything into an extension of their own egos. Right wingers don't really want right wing TV. They just want good TV. It's a place to blow off steam away from the more serious things in life. It's not territory to be conquered in some never ending political revolution.
Nicholas Hughes
Wrong. It's been confirmed by outside sources including Robert Meyer Burnett that STD is produced on a license for Bad Robot, for their own merchandising rights and profits, and must legally be distinct from the canon timeline.
It's not canon, so don't even watch it.
Jeremiah Rogers
Would you have a link for that?
Henry Kelly
Deep Space 9, minus all the freedom fighter bullshit with Qira. Imagine if Deep Space 9 was made post-9/11, it'd cause a shitstorm.
Cameron White
>Spock's secret sister we have conveniently not heard of up to this point
>the only human to have been raised on Vulcan. Very special
>always has the right answers
>martial arts expert
She's a Mary Sue. And more importantly, she's a boring character.
Matthew Powell
the show would have the borg as protagonist, not the federation.
Owen Gomez
Gavin Fisher
That's communism.
Parker Long
He was right and he did the right thing, but he was wrong to do it.
Jack Davis
>post-scarcity economy
>commie
pick one
Brandon Moore
just fucking space battles and shit
Logan Watson
You're right. She's just awfully written. Like the rest of the show.
So far the only decently written characters with some semblance of depth are Voq and Pyke. Lorca was good, but then the writers did the most retarded thing they could do with him. Burnham and tardigrade-spliced gay man are god-awful. Tilly is retarded and Saru used to be allright but lately is suffering from the same disease the main cast does, and Giorgiou is so comically evil that I wonder kf I'm watching a porn parody instead of Star Trek everytime she's on screen.
STD is a trainwreck.
Josiah Lopez
No. Communism implies that there is a economical funding of the ideology.
Borgs dont give a fuck about economics.
Josiah Nguyen
imagine defending a show that unironically made the main character spocks adopted sister
also hired someone to lead their show who can't act
Nathaniel Reed
>So what would a true, right-wing Star Trek look like?
Warhammer 40k but the Imperium are unironically the good guys.
Lucas Murphy
>but the Imperium are unironically the good guys
Of course they're the good guys.
Ayden Powell
It's kind of hard to find a model for that sort of thing, since genuine right wing sentiments have been being pushed out of entertainment for a very long time. The closest thing would probably be ancient mythology, but in space. Tales of strong heroic men, conquering, pillaging treasures, basking in glory, as opposed moping around wanking about the mortal superiority of not doing such things.
Hudson Gonzalez
>watching the emperor and his fellows cleansing heresy and killing every other race just for the sake of genociding.
it would be kino.
Leo Davis
Nope. The imperium is corrupt as fuck and the Imperial Cult is against everything that the Emperor is for. The Emperor is unironically the good guy, but the Imperium itself is as rotten and evil as the rest of everyone else in that dumpster fire of a universe
Jeremiah White
Cultural Marxism then.
Bentley Moore
Like The Twilight Zone, it never felt too overdone or ham-fisted though. Modern diversity is less about character and more about filling quotas. So little thought is put into the character a diversity hire gets that it really stands out.
Nobody batted an eye at the women involved with TNG, they were written with flaws, actual character. They never felt thrust into those roles, and depicted as "perfect" simply because they were women like most productions today. Geordie was a fucking autist for chrissakes, that would never happen now... Geordie would be swimming in white pussy if TNG was a current production and would be little more than a black bull on the show.
David Morgan
People forget that the kiss was supposed to be horrible for both back then.
Noah Sanders
>Alright, so everyone says this show is ruined by identity politics and agenda pushing
Star Trek always had that shit.
Discovery is ruined by being garbage.
Charles Jackson
TOS was elegant as fuck.
almost like a fairy tail with an spaceship.
modern SJWs couldnt be elegant even if their lifes depended on it.
Austin Flores
Oh, they put thought into the characters. it's just that making them at all flawed is now taboo. Michael Burnam has to be the single most perfect person in the universe, because she's a black woman. Someone might get offended if a man was smarter than her, or had to save her in a combat situation.
Joshua Evans
>the Imperium itself is as rotten and evil as the rest of everyone else
No, part of the horror of it is that while the Imperium is absolutely a burning dumpster fire, it's still preferable to the alternatives.
Evan Murphy
Actually he wasn´t.
The Federation should´ve crushed the Cardies completely.
The Dominion War would´ve turned out QUITE DIFFERENTLY.
Logan Scott
Burnam might not be so bad if she had a personality. Once you get her skills and her background out of the way, what even is there to say about her? What are her personality traits? I guess she likes fairy tales?
Zachary Howard
there wouldn't be a "true right-wing Star Trek" because the "true right-wing" is going to destroy most of humanity in this century. The "true right-wing" would never create a utopian society with like no capital and no NEED to work and infinitely available resources made available to everyone for free. The "true right-wing" would never fund a giant exploratory space fleet that isn't even allowed to invade places for resources. They'd just dump money into military spending and cutting taxes for the corporations and using their internet technology to psychographically microtarget their supporters with psychologically-abusive strawman propaganda designed to make them constantly feel upset and agitated by poor people and minorities so they're always batting down and away while wages stages and cost of living skyrockets and they all go bankruptcy when they get sick and die in debt.
Justin Ortiz
>implying a true right wing wouldn't venture into space for personal aggrandisement, and also to gather resources and secure territory
>implying that wouldn't make an awesome TV show
Robert Perez
Communists
The real scourge of humanity, both in body count and sheer idiocy.
Ayden Foster
They got memed. When you grow up hearing about how legendary and groundbreaking it was, then catch it while binge-watching Star Trek on netflix, half paying-attention with a computer on your lap, it's inevitable that you'll be a Star Trek Was Always Progressive™ shitposter with no idea of the actual context or significance to the Trek universe.
Angel Martinez
Roddenberry was always a hippy who was pushing for shit like that. TOS for the most part was sci-fi adventures in space though. Progressive politics was absolutely not the core of Star Trek, or the reason people liked it.
Brandon Martin
>So what would a true, right-wing Star Trek look like?
Basically Star Wars during the Empire.
>Races are largely segregated to their respective planets
>Humans dominate the galaxy
>Proud military tradition maintaining law and order
>General peace and stability
Carter Diaz
DS9 without the sexual stuff.
Hunter Ward
>right-wing Star Trek
I got u pham
Easton Cox
>Terran Federation
>right wing
its authoritarian, numbnuts.
John Jenkins
And honest about it too.
Cooper Miller
that music is 10x better than faith of the heart
Adrian Rivera
>right wing Star Trek
the litverse and comicverse mirror universe is pretty much implicitly (and probably accidentally) right-wing, but last I heard they caught-on and nerfed the (hilariously illustrated) TNG mirror universe comics since we can't even have cool villains anymore. They all have to be fuck clowns.
Thomas Fisher
>there is a fucking proven formula to star trek.
>there is an established die-hard fanbase.
>the path has been paved for you yet you still fuck it up
QFT
Elijah Johnson
Even TOS is better than ENT opening.
The best one is Voyager's OP. The imagery too.
The Mirror Universe opening was ruined because they they reused scenes from The Hunt for the Red October.
Hunter Rodriguez
theres so much more wrong with the show beyond politics
>terrible lead
>shot like jj movies
>retarded plots
>cringey unattractive cast
>not an ensemble show like literally every previous star trek
>all action and drama without any substance
Brayden Parker
>even tos
TOS had the best opening tho
>voyager
"no!"
Easton Taylor
TOS has the shipping just passing, think of the special effects in Voyager.
David Garcia
Nah, there's no money, no property rights.
Its an authoritarian communist meritocracy where the state uses standardized testing to dictate who gets power and influence in the society which is generally speaking the people who conform to Federation ideology.
Nathan Myers
Whoops, I meant to post Eddington, not Eddie Murphy.
Ryder Miller
>So what would a true, right-wing Star Trek look like?
More Terran Empire, less gay ayylmaos
Zachary Phillips
Benjamin Baker
FPBP
Lincoln Martinez
He wasn't a liberal, he was a Marxist. Posadist, specifically
Daniel Hernandez
Oh you mean visually?
I just meant the music.
music wise i'd say:
Tos>tng>voy>tas>ds9>ent
Visually id say
Voy>ent>tng=tas=tos>ds9
So turns out i agree with you i suppose
Camden Roberts
Or maybe the fact that politics and culture evolves mean you see the original Star Trek as the norm. Except it wasn't there was widespread mass protests to lots of elements, and that is after the networks pulled things out or changed things.
Std problems are all JJ aping.
Eli Ross
Damn its like I actually teleported back to a reddit post in 2011
Ryan Johnson
A Starship Troopers tv series would unironically be better than another nu trek reboot
Elijah Gutierrez
>characters actually explore new worlds and are fleshed out and more than one character gets screen time and the stories are actually engaging and interesting
Charles Jenkins
Thanks for demonstrating that you have no clue what right-wing even is. People as dumb as you are offensive
Colton Williams
They'd never do it unless it was a parody like the films. Heinlein's philosophy is too dangerous and contrary to the establishment left for Hollywood to present it as anything other than a joke society.
Although the Martians on the Expanse come kind of close.
Carson Smith
Pretty good bait, 8 out of 10.
Joshua Martinez
I went back to some old forums from back when Star Trek Voyager premiered, and it's remarkable how similar everyone's complaints are.
>The show is too PC, is it going to be cancelled?
>A BLACK vulcan??
>Too many plot holes
>Is DS9 being cancelled?
>Fuck this, I'm jumping to SeaQuest. Now THAT's real Star Trek!
Asher Sanchez
>To seek out new drugs
That one episode of Enterprise where they go to the space-mall someone asks Chip (I can't remember anyone's names from the show besides T'pol, Archer and Shran) if he wants a space-diazepam that makes him forget his working week so he "wakes up" and it's always the weekend.
How does the federation keep people interested in bettering themselves, which incidentally appears to mean playing an ancient instrument, and stay off of new badass space drugs?
They probably have little side effects their magic-tier medicine can't shoo-away and artists' have always ended up drugged out messes when left to their own devices.
Episode I was watching of TNG yesterday, Geordi can't sleep for like 10 minutes and goes straight to the doc's office to "Gibs me something to help me sleep"
She mentions a somnatic inducer, which I take to be a little box he'll put on his nightstand that sings rem-sleep-inducing-lullabies.
Or is she giving him space-ambien?
The crew basically lives free of disease, so unless the eugenics war was really really effective shouldn't a large portion of the crew be on all kinds of space pills to control shit like type-1 diabeetus?
Ayden Jenkins
It's ruined by a lot of things but not by agenda pushing which always was a thing in Star Trek.
Alexander Martinez
I mean Voyager was inane PC trash compared to TOS, TNG, and DS9.
Jose Mitchell
>TNG
>DS9
>VOY
>every other episode is about how the "diversity" of the crew/federation is the strength that saves everyone
>1 particular character is immune/avoids the episode's threat due to their race or disability or whatever and saves the day
>Perfectly encapsulates the traditional left foreign policy: claims religious non intervetionism, but then *always* intervenes
TOS was shit so no one cares unless you are too old to be posting here, making you either a member of the wave of conservatives who have glombed onto Yea Forums since nigger jokes and frog memes seeped into the mainstream and facebook groups from the midwest were linked here and people developed the hilariously mistaken impression that Yea Forums was ever, in history, at any point before about the end of 2015 a website in which ideology that even slightly overlaps with "conservative" ideology was shared among the users.... OR you are a desperate, raving lunatic conspiracy theorist who spends 8 hours a day painstakingly imagining and fleshing out the intricate details of your democratic pedophile sex slave fantasy
Gabriel Lopez
Star Trek was always supposed to be about a future where we've moved beyond identity politics, moved beyond the need for money, moved beyond all this shit and everyone is free to pursue whatever goals they want.
It's also a future where everyone has literally evolved into a higher form of life. In Star Trek your average 8 year old is taking calculus. Every single cadet at Star Fleet Academy understands theoretical physics better than Hawking did.
Humans in that century are higher evolved than modern humans.
And being that evolved they've solved all of the worlds problems.
I think Star Trek is an ideal both Rs and Ds wish for, the issue is how do you get there?
The Republicans in the USA seem to think that the best way to improve our tech level, solve the worlds energy demand, and end hunger is through domestic innovation and protectionism. They don't want Illegal Immigrant Pablo to go to college, they want US Citizen Tommy to go to college. They don't want poor uneducated brown people coming to the USA because they think all that will do is drive down wages and create a strain on society.
The D's are the exact opposite and think the only way to achieve a Star Trek future is open borders, refugees, and free college and free sex changes for Pablo, Abdul, and Aziz. Every D policy is built around the idea that diversity is good, therefore millions of illiterate brown people coming to the USA must be amazing.
Kayden Barnes
Future Medicine is often an afterthought in Star Trek, it only exists to push plot forward, to make a allegory and or message about real world issues, or to get around certain plot-holes or TV standards and practices.
For instance, their methods of drug administration through hypospray. The concept of the hypospray was developed when producers on the original Star Trek series discovered that NBC's broadcast standards and practices prohibited the use of hypodermic syringes to inject medications; the needleless hypospray sidestepped this issue.
Carson Edwards
You're not wrong that Trek has always had a liberal agenda but it used to at least be presented with some subtlety and intellect.
Plus the progressive liberal agenda that's being pushed now is frankly just a lot stupider then the 60s and 90s liberal agenda that the old shows pushed.
Leo Gomez
>Tos was shit
Your opinion is shit
Jaxson Clark
I'm not going to say it, yet the spacing made this incredibly hard for me to read... and to stomach.
Xavier Anderson
>Republicans
>protectionism
Literally the only Republican politician who supports this is Trump. The mainstream GOP is even more neoliberal than the Dems are.
Jackson Perry
Wasn't there a secret division introduced in DS9 that did star fleet secret OPs missions? Focus a show on them and make all the chars xenophobic as fuck.
Eli Martin
The worst episodes tend to be the agenda pushing episodes, from a writing standpoint and a fan/viewer standpoint.
Aaron Davis
It had a lot of potential, taking the exploration of the unknown again.
But it had to take the teeth out of the Borg.
But it had to have THRESHOLD.
I felt Seven of Nine tights were unnecessary. The character could not be hot and it would be mostly the same.
EMH was kino though.
Thomas Morales
didn't know this about hyposprays
Im'a ask Crusher for a sweet hypospray of heroin later to deal with the monotony of replicator maintenance
Christian Thompson
And then they committed DS9 and the franchise died. It was popular, but its soul was dead.
Jaxson Ortiz
>this nigga
>never read Niven
bro. By the 24th century the genetic tendency to become an addict has been evolved out of humanity as a result of cheap, abundant, low-health risk, but nonetheless devastatingly behavior affecting drugs.
Niven: "current"
Basically safe hardcore opiod like drug, but in the "new world economy" where you don't have to have a job and resources are free so you can just sit there, drooling, and waste away.
The point being that you never have kids.
>inb4 someone criticizes the genetics
its genetics. Genetics are why some people actually enjoy, for example, smoking weed regularly and *most* people don't. Genetics are why some people.... In general.... enjoy "taking drugs" (any drug. all drugs. weed, psychedelics, hard drugs... years of recreational drug use during your youth)
Plenty of people are open minded and never derive the type of consistent, reliable, repeatable enjoyment from any/all/arbitrary drug.
Not people who had bad trips. Or people who can't handle their shit.
The majority of the population simply don't enjoy drugs enough to want to do them regularly, no matter how addictive they are.
That is the genetic component. There *are* people who enjoy drugs. Maybe they smoke weed regularly. Does not have to be every day. But something in their brain chemistry means that they derive enjoyment from smoking weed and they make the decision to do it every week or every day or whatever. Same thing with alcohol. Plenty of people drink. Plenty of people drink enough to get drunk. But if you enjoy the feeling of drinking enough to drink to get a slight buzz regularly, like every day, that is an indication that you possess the gene that is associated with addiction.
Jaxon Bennett
it was retconned into Enterprise.
Seriously step the fuck up nigga. Section 31 of the starfleet charter says "any means necessary" or whatever to protect the federation.
Section 31 is like the private contractors that the CIA uses to do illegal shit.
Eli Smith
>I think Star Trek is an ideal both Rs and Ds wish for
No money? No private property? The state chooses who has merit and privilege in the society and who doesn't. Yeah, no thanks.
The Federation has a lot going for it. There's an abundance of resources so they can afford a social safety net that keeps anyone from going hungry, being homeless or not getting medical care. But it has no private economy and the only way to get ahead is to do well on state standardized tests, conform to the state ideology and do what you're told to climb the ranks. There's a reason why Star Trek always focuses on the Star Fleet. In a military setting we accept these sort of things as being normal but when you start thinking about the implications for the society at large you start to see how Orwellian a lot of it is.
Owen Allen
FPBP
Why is this so hard to understand?
Henry Perry
>tfw guy on Laosian image board figures out you're a pothead in one post
> :^(
Parker Campbell
everyone is on active duty so the writers don't have to address how all the earth stuff works
Anthony Bennett
The big problem with Voyager was that Janeway was an incompetent hypocrite but the show pretended she was a great leader and her crew all obeyed her like trained seals despite the fact that some of them had been former Marquis rebels.
The show could have explored some interesting plot lines about how poorly Star Fleets rules hold up outside of the command infrastructure. Maybe the crew gets sick of obeying arbitrary Star Fleet rules, maybe there's a mutiny. All of this could have been really interesting but the show didn't dare to do it because the captain was a woman and if you made the first woman captain on Star Trek incompetent then they would have been crucified for sexism. Its a shame too, I don't have a problem with strong female character in Trek (Kira was great) but Janeway was just a shit captain and the show never had the guts to confront that fact.
>I felt Seven of Nine tights were unnecessary.
What are you gay?
Noah Powell
Chakotay? Is that you?
Alexander Torres
Dont forget that should can go over 11g for 15 minutes and the moment somebody criticizes her, he gets killed.
You have a problem ? Burnham knows the answer. Always.
Aaron Taylor
TOS Trek
Justin Reed
The Orville
Isaiah Perez
This. Next Generation made it work. It's not that hard, just stop hiring writers from reddit and tumblr
Nicholas Reyes
>The show could have explored some interesting plot lines about how poorly Star Fleets rules hold up outside of the command infrastructure.
This is why Equinox is one of the best Voyager episodes.
And I am not gay, in fact, the problem is that she is distracting. It was worse in TOS, but then eyecandy was everywhere and you got used to it.
Blake Harris
i love this scene
Grayson Diaz
>soul was dead
Maybe had something to do with the dead, soulless monotone of Avery Brooks.
Basically the voice that all white conservative cucks imagine (and secretly fantasize) they will here as they get poor little white guy gang raped in the hood when they accidentally take the wrong off ramp.
Blake Bailey
>This is why Equinox is one of the best Voyager episodes.
Agreed, I think they're way too judgemental of the Equinox captain though. When he started harvesting the critters for fuel he had no way of knowing they had intelligence, they were just flying around naked, why would you assume that they have intellect? But Janeway is typically sanctimonious and is absolutely mortified that he might kill a few critters to get his crew home alive.
>And I am not gay, in fact, the problem is that she is distracting. I
I mean if Voyager was a better show, I'd agree. Kira didn't need to wear spandex because she was a great character on a good show but Jeri Ryan's tits were the only thing keeping my attention on some episodes of Voyager.
David Thomas
You know, I never could swallow that Kirk was able to overpower a Vulcan in heat.
Maybe DS9 was a clusterfuck.
Daniel Richardson
Slaughter the xenos
Leo Ramirez
Loaded question. Come back when you understand that Star Trek takes place in the future when wings are unnecessary to fly.
Brody Ortiz
Right-wing politics are identity politics
Nathaniel Lee
Also I've been looking for some shit to read after finishing a bunch of Heinlein.
Which of Niven's works should I check out first?
Austin Kelly
the first time I watched this on Yea Forums was so cool.
Levi Reyes
the expanse
Hunter Davis
>Plus the progressive liberal agenda that's being pushed now is frankly just a lot stupider then the 60s and 90s liberal agenda that the old shows pushed.
This, they have moved the goalposts massively since then so people and ideas who were staunchly liberal 30 years ago are called bigotry now.
t. Former liberal. None of my personal politics changed, they were just redefined as not progressive anymore.
Carter Rivera
Right wing free market economic systems have nothing to do with identity politics.
Identity politics may be employed by any political system. Pol Pot's extreme left communist Khmer Rouge were very focused on a nationalist Cambodian identity as were Hitler's center left National Socialists.
Aiden Fisher
I actually always thought that was lazy. If you're going to do black Vulcans, let's have some background on the different continents of Vulcan. Maybe some differences in culture. If Tuvok was actually a distinct sub-type of Vulcan he probably would have been a more memorable character than just trying to make him black Spock.
Henry Hall
I second The Expanse, its a fantastic show.
The Orville is also enjoyable and had a more traditional episodic structure; but its nowhere near the quality of The Expanse which uses a serial approach.
Owen Nelson
Eh no, it’s always been the same liberalist agenda, nothing has changed at its roots
Austin Stewart
Somewhat related to your comment on breakdowns, I always had this feel about Riker not being a captain because he tended to break under pressure.
You remember that episode when there were a zillion Enterprises and one of the Rikers said he was not going back to his universe, where the Borg assimilated the Feds? Though that was shown to portrait despair, I thought his reaction was in character.
And so the one of the last human ships in that reality was gone. Dear God, some episodes were creepy.
Adrian Ramirez
>This, they have moved the goalposts massively since then so people and ideas who were staunchly liberal 30 years ago are called bigotry now.
Yeah. Saying you don't see race would get you labeled a bleeding heart liberal 30 years ago, now it gets you labeled a racist.
Colton Jones
Dude, Voyager is universally agreed to be the worst Star Trek series until STD.
Even the actors on the show hated it.
Sebastian Lewis
A star trek show only about the ferengi or the cardassians.
Dylan Gutierrez
Am I a bad person for thinking that Picard being able to function as a starship captain after The Inner Light was ridiculous?
Thomas Wood
>Computer, activate holodeck program "Loli Dungeon 4", disengage safety protocols.
Wyatt Bailey
Realistically he would at least have needed a long vacation but fuck it, Picard's just that cool I guess.
Ian Jenkins
I think Riker is pretty good under pressure actually. When Picard gets assimilated and the fleet gets taken out at Wolf 359 he rises to the challenge and shit really couldn't hit the fan any harder than that.
I think he's just not really that ambitious when it comes to advancing his career. He has the opportunity to be a captain but he doesn't take it because he likes serving on the Enterprise. He's content and comfortable and I think that matters more to him than the prestige of being a Captain or Admiral.
He is a little smug and arrogant though. In that episode where Picard gets abducted by the Cardies and the bad guy from Robocop and Total Recall becomes captain he acts like a real twat because the new captain wants to change things and he likes the routine that he's had serving under Picard. That's basically Riker throwing a tantrum because his comfy world is getting thrown out of whack.
Lincoln Gonzalez
>Wow, Neelix was right. This program is great.
Zachary Rogers
Maybe the multiverse episode made me pay attention to that aspect, even if it wasn't really there. I watched TNG in syndication, and I have somewhat dim memories of the series.
Nathaniel Price
Captain Jellico should've never given the ship back
Landon Cox
By the way, this is a minor detail but I fucking loved that when Picard wakes up on the alien planet with a strange woman acting like she's his wife, he immediately orders "computer, freeze program". First words out of his mouth. Like he doesn't even entertain the idea that it might be real until he realizes he can't turn it off. That makes perfect sense in-universe but it's the kind of thing writers wouldn't necessarily catch unless they were good.
Carter Brooks
Scarlett Pomers did grow up to be a stunner.
Colton Hall
Furthermore, I think the need to make every Vulcan character just another version of Spock really limits what you can do with Vulcans. Tuvok was black Spock. T'Pol was girl Spock. How about a Vulcan who's an engineer who's fascinated by the logical workings of machines, or a Vulcan warrior. I don't know. Just something else.
Christopher Phillips
Mason Diaz
I mean I can see Riker going that way. He's got his shit together so long as he has his comfy command structure and his friends backing him up but if everything fell apart and the Federation went down I could see him falling to pieces.
Hunter Scott
Christian Reed
Parker Brooks
Yes it has. TOS was a sci-fi show for mass audience consumption pitched as "cowboys and indians in space". Roddenberry may have had certain views that he shoehorned in there, but to say the core of the show hasn't shifted away from one thing to another would be ridiculous.
Jacob Miller
Yeah, she's a stone cold fox.
Eli Hernandez
I don't know man, like I said before Voyager had exploration, and time travel plots grate on my nerves... guess how much I liked Enterprise.
And Enterprise left a bad taste in my mouth. How do we go from Enterprise to TOS, visually? My headcanon was simplification of visual styles, not different from Windows XP and 7 to Windows 10.
Xavier Collins
Xavier Martinez
You risk getting Burnham, you know?
Eli Bell
We lack a vulcan Vulcan, like we would have got in Star Trek Phase II.
Christian Baker
Sorry man, but this is such a garbage opinion, and you know it. Right and left aren't different species and pretending like the right don't or wouldn't produce propaganda is frankly a little embarrassing.
Luis Rogers
When transport goes haywire it needs a competent operator, like airplanes, that mostly need pilots nowadays to handle emergencies.
Nolan Lopez
>Vulcan warrior.
That could be an interesting contrast to Klingon and human warriors. The Klingon talking about honor and glory, the humans wanting to be fair and merciful and the Vulcan having a very pragmatic approach to accomplishing the objective as efficiently as possible.
Joseph Perry
Religion is apolitical, and even so, most people find those movies embarrassing. They do not have people clamoring for them the way something like black James Bond does.
Anthony James
I'm pretty sure they did mention his ancestry on an equatorial island chain where the black vulcans come from
Anthony Taylor
Speaking of Klingons, this reminded me of the Kingon attorney in Enterprise. That was a good episode.
James Martinez
Andrew Jenkins
The Galactic Imperium of Man
Fuck xenos
Luke Ortiz
You sure you're not thinking of DS9? The one where the Klingons try to frame Worf.
Evan Gonzalez
>old school liberal
>not believing in money
You don't even know what an oldschool liberal is you fucking monkey. Gene was literally a communist.
Easton Turner
>The Galactic Imperium of Man
>Fuck xenos
You should love this character then.
Jonathan Hughes
No, I'm thinking of an episode where there was this attorney lamenting on how the Klingon society was degenerating into war.
If this was in DS9 then it has been too long that I watched all series. It's all a kind of a blur in my mind, but I don't feel like rewatching a thousand episodes again.
Jack Brown
Dude star trek has always been liberal. It's a fucking socialist utopian society.
Jordan Anderson
How did Seth MacFarlane of all people manage to make a better Star Trek than Star Trek people?
Asher Lewis
>a true, right-wing Star Trek
Owen Bennett
Just came in the mail.
Tell me whatcha think, Yea Forums.
David Ward
>posts the shitty STD alternate universe
Bah, I love the alternate universe but fuck STD. It was great in the original series, it was good in DS9 and it was surprisingly awesome on Enterprise.
Hunter Cooper
Because unlike anyone involved in STD, he actually loves and understands Star Trek.
Also, he basically just hired a load of talent from the old shows, and let them do their thing.
Jayden Jones
>discount 40k
Oof no thanks
Y I K E S
Leo Miller
literary communism is not the same as literal communism, user.
Jaxon Ramirez
Oh yeah, he gets sent to the ice moon prison with Archer.
Brayden Butler
Star Trek can't be right-wing, because the ideals behind the show's premise are inherently good and hopeful, not based in fear, not right-wing.
Ayden Clark
75% cool
Thomas Powell
They're inherently delusional.
Leo Adams
Henry Price
She's the best character on that show and elevates everything just by being there.
Whatever you think MarySue Burnham, you can't deny Empress Genocidex is absolutely based.
Asher Reyes
>So what would a true, right-wing Star Trek look like?
DS9
Luke Taylor
Should have kept Lorca around instead. He was the more interesting and charismatic mirror universe spy. Also easier to sympathise with, because he wasn't literally an evil emperor who ate Saru.
Camden Myers
Thomas Brown
She literally did nothing wrong and always showed herself to be trustworthy. As far as I can tell, she never lied in the Mirror Universe while Lorca showed he couldn't be trusted even a little.
Owen Rogers
>ate Saru
Wrong, she ate someone from Saru's species. Saru wasn't on the shuttle when Burnham and Lorca were traveling to the emperor's ship, he was still on Mirror Shenzhou. Get you fucking facts straight you cockgobbling faggot.
Camden Stewart
Well, perfect capitalism is not supposed to generate giant squid monopolies, but that's what happens.
A flaw in Star Trek is to believe that humans won't turn everything they touch into shit. Section 31 was a necessary call from reality, and a nice touch.
Christian Fisher
Alright, she ate a member of a sentient race, that had proven itself intelligent enough to have people accepted into Starfleet.
Josiah Hall
Like when she killed all her close subordinates but one when she found out about Burnham being from Prime.
Jeremiah Gonzalez
Luke Fisher
Can we just agree not to talk about this shit? It's not even canon. It's 25% legally mandated not to be.
Oliver Miller
I loved that Jake was parroting the same phrase Picard used before.
Zachary Scott
It's ruined by being NOT STAR TREK and by being a really dumb and boring series even divorcing it from Star Trek
The identity politics and all that is just the icing on top of the disaster
Caleb Fisher
It would look like Berman's Voyager kino episodes
>the holocaust denial episode
>the episode about fake rape accusations
>the episode where they bring statistics on Nygean prisons.
Samuel Hughes
I could say that DS9 is also not Star Trek, with Section 31 and the darker and edgier setting.
Angel Ortiz
Honestly, STD isn't that bad. Yes, they had the gayshit doctor and engineer. Yes, they have hurr durr boy name on a female. But even those aren't really that bad. Engiqueer isn't even that bad and he grows on you, plus the gay doctor is killed and then brought back as a mentally damaged psychopath.
The klingons were actually pretty decent, and we got some nice lore about how they have two vaginas and an extra anus, and the dudes have two dicks and an extra anus to boot. We even get to see some klingon tits and it turns out the women have inverted nipples so that the baby must fight to feed.
Lorca was pretty based but they kinda rushed his ending, and Pike isn't bad at all. The only shitty thing about this season has been that they already spoiled the "ER MER GERD MAH STEP-INCEST!" plot twist. Michael raped spock since he didn't understand love since his mom neglected him, made him think she loved him, and then told him he was basically a human dildo to ruin their relationship.
Nathaniel Fisher
Don't forget the "We built a planetary wall to keep them out" episode with the dinos.
Nolan Jenkins
just like Game of Thrones!
Joshua Kelly
I'm going to add that one.
Jeremiah Lopez
took to long to show andorians and tellarites. They should be more prevalent too considering they're founding species of the federation
Jason Anderson
Joshua Jenkins
Oh please, you can watch any TNG, DS9, Voyager episode and interchanged them and you won't be able to tell these are separate series. Meanwhile, there's nearly nothing about Discovery that is like those series.
Josiah Lewis
>muh sentient race
You xeno scumbag.
Kevin Diaz
She spared the one that most looked like Jay Bauman.
Hunter Foster
>Alright, so everyone says this show is ruined by identity politics and agenda pushing.
No, we don't. And it's pretty good lately.
Also, you're complaining about what Star Trek was always about.
Joseph Reyes
Not him but The Mote In God's Eye and Ringworld.
Mote was co written by Niven and Ringworld was entirely Niven.
Matthew Perez
other than DS9's superior aesthetics
Owen Wood
this
Leo Miller
>superior aesthetics
>literally a bunch of terrorist farmers that overthrow their "oppressive" government only to overthrow their own self established one over a single fucking tractor because one jerkoff wanted to grow crops just for himself for that season when - if the tractor was given to a group of farmers in another region, they could literally grow enough crops not only for themselves, but for the entire planet and have enough left over that they could then export the crops outside of their own planet.
Bentley Davis
This show is really good now though. Season 2 has been a sharp increase in quality
Carter Cruz
too fucking bad that it's going to go to shit basically starting next episode because of budget cuts caused by reshoots for the early eps.
Brayden Walker
I don't want right-wing trek despite being right-wing. I want episodic content with interesting characters that deals with modern and perennial issues through the lens of sci-fi, rather than season-long arcs about galactic wars and evil overlords that stars actors and actresses promoted on the basis of race and sexuality rather than talent and charisma.
Luis Diaz
VOY also had an episode where they had to fend off an armada of gibs aliens who wanted to torture Seven.
Noah Richardson
Jaxon Sanders
oof, FPBP at its finest
Kevin Williams
Or be born with wealth. Remember that Picard's family OWNS a vineyard, and there's a discussion about what to do with it now that his brother and nephew are dead, implying it is passed within the family.
Juan Young
>not liking it's been a long road
Lucas Ward
>lyrics in Star Trek openings
Even STD didn't do this.
David Barnes
What about the episode where Chakotay is brainwashed to fight on the wrong side of a planetary war? Or was that bluepilled?
Nathaniel Hill
Please, explain to me how I'm the brainlet in this situation.
How is them overthrowing their own fucking government for trying to take back a single piece of farm equipment for a SINGLE FARMING SEASON JUST SO THEY COULD ESTABLISH THEIR FIRST GLOBAL EXPORT IN OVER 60 YEARS and then replacing their leader with a terrorist, er "freedom fighter", who turns around and begs the federation for planetary aid because their people were starving but also "WE WON'T JOIN THE FEDDIES BECAUSE FUCK BEING RULED BY ANY NON BAJORAN!" not a fucking brainlet move? Where's the 2deep4me meaning in that shit? All it shows is that Bajorans are fucking welfare niggers who, when given the opportunity to better themselves, would rather shoot themselves in the gut and blame everyone else for the shooting because of their self destructive nature that doesn't allow for improvement without shunning those who do.
Leo Taylor
Aaron Mitchell
listen up sisko, aesthetics have fuck all to do with whatever your incoherent rambling is about, moron.
Jonathan Adams
Evrrything is racist, everything is sexist and you have to point it all out.
John Jones
How is "retarded terrorist farmers" a good aesthetic?
Camden Jones
STD's pretty bad, but I honestly don't see how it's overly SJW at all. Having a black woman as the lead isn't particularly egregious to me.
Nicholas Rivera
jesus christ you really are a brainlet
Anthony Bell
Dropped at 5th chapter. No gay-shit garbage allowed in my TV.
Henry Cook
If anything, STD has shown that everyone is fucking terrible, regardless of gender or sexuality.
Jose James
Wait, Voyager is secretly redpilled?
Carter Baker
its more to do with the staff is full of SJWs whose only exposure is JJ Abrams who also had no clue what made trek good in the first place.
Wyatt Murphy
He hired Star Trek people. Brannon Braga is a producer, and numerous Trek actors have appeared.
Jayden Gutierrez
While this /pol/ shit rages on I want to take a section of this thread to talk about autistic shit instead. How do you guys picture the Starships as waifus? Here's my hot take;
>Enterprise Refit
Elegant mid-40s woman with medium length silver hair, classic white dress and a stylish grey cardigan.
>Enterprise D
Tall and beautiful in her early 30s woman with long flowing blond hair wearing an elaborate dress uniform with eye glasses D-cups obviously
>Defiant
20-25 year old tomboy with short black hair with blue tips wearing a skirt + bike shorts combo, singlet and an oversized dark brown bomber jacket
>Voyager
early 30s with cyberpunk haircut (half shaved half long hair swept to the side) dark grey open hoodie, skinny jeans and borg piercings.
>Discovery
Nothing offensive to anyone.
Jaxon Ortiz
Checked.
Can you fit in that to fly it?
Juan Ramirez
Oh shuffle it silly, that episode is hardly an "agend apushing" episode. Come off of it!
Aiden Morales
Eh, the aesthetics are undeniably closer to the Kelvin films than the Trek shows, but I think that's just a consequence of modern special effects. The stories (this season) I think are actually reminiscent of TOS episodes, especially the last one.
Ian Robinson
i'm not buying your access pass, shill.
Anthony Clark
Uh, the vori were the good guys.
Remember the 6'000'000 vori who were nullified by the nemesis!
It had its moments.
Parker Torres
You're one of /trek/'s best workers! BRAVO!
Grayson Foster
The grim/dark Warhammer 40k episodes of STD were the best ones, user. (s01e10-14)
Xavier Thompson
Not American, so I don't have to pay for CBS streaming brainlet.
And the last episode's approach to the Prime Directive was much closer in spirit to Kirk's than Picard's. It reminded me of A Private Little War.
William Harris
shuttlecraft are plucky cute ensigns fresh from the academy willing to please and ready for action but incredibly clumsy
Cooper Morris
Nebula class = Lindsay Ellis