So I'm watching this show for the first time, and holy shit. This show is hilariously sexist. Don't get me wrong, I'm not offended by it or naything, but Jesus, THIS is the most "progressive" and socially revolutionary thing of it's time? Because I've seen many movies of this era and even earlier ones, and those works aren't nearly as bad as this. There's Mudd's Women, The Man Trap, that one with the immortal man(Requiem For Metuselah) when Kirk screams at Spock "Don't interfere, we're fighting over a woman!" and I just couldn't stop laughing
God I wish this show was around today, the twitter shitstorms would be so great. Tell me about the moon, Mr. Spock indeed
What. What is sexist? Go on, back up you assertion.
Adam Garcia
>there is no other way to put this: essentially everything about Popular Consciousness Kirk is bullshit. Kirk, as received through mass culture memory and reflected in its productive imaginary (and subsequent franchise output, including the reboot movies), has little or no basis in Shatner’s performance and the television show as aired. strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/columns/freshly-rememberd-kirk-drift/
Samuel Mitchell
Requiem for Methuselah and Mudds women were dogshit
Charles Collins
Well the show is pretty fresh in my mind as I just pent 50 minutes watching him creepily paw at an android made for sex by an immortal man who was Leonardo da Vinci, and let me tell you, it's not bullshit.
He's Alpha as fuck in many situations though, dude stared down a god in Charlie X without blinking.
Alexander Parker
Just posting the best film scene from the post-original cast
The episode was a turd but Kirk actually fell in love with her he wasn't being a sleaze
Noah Russell
Yeah yeah, she was made for "companionship", but we all know what's up. Seriously rewatch that episode, it has some of the most awkward touching I've ever seen. If I had shame I'd be embarassed.
Dude relax, I'm not trying to shit on your hero, I like him, I'm just saying, he does a lot of shit only a true Chad could get away with. Scotty would've gotten his ass slapped 50 times throughout the show trying to pull some of the shit Kirk has pulled.
Hudson Gutierrez
Just watched Mirror, Mirror, and I'm shocked at the racist and sexist casting.
I'm still waiting for you to name something. I don't care if you shit on my hero if he deserves it, but I'm pretty sure you're buying into a stereotype with no validity, and I'm calling you on your baseless bullshit. OR you're baiting me & I'm falling for it, in which case 8/10.
She had attacked an ambassador and was raging out of control on the ship. The captain is the ultimate authority, and he could have thrown her in the brig, but he treated her like a spoiled child, which she was. A SPANKING? That's your best example of sexism?
Jonathan Wilson
>tfw some vulcanfag comes preaching logic and giving up our proud Romulan heritage
Women in the show are generally infantilized and treated as emotional and kinda stupid. I don't mind it, but it's THERE, all over the show, and if you can't see it I really don't know what to say. The problem isn't that he asserted his authority. But today, a Captain would say something like"I'll throw you in jail", not "I'll spank you like a child.
In the first fucking pilot episode, a crew member calls a female psychologist a walking freezer because she doesn't immediately respond to his advances and his colleage on the Bridge shares a hearty laugh. (The Cage, I think, that was).
Now look what you're doing you're making ME mad over something I don't give a shit about. Were you the troll all along? Master of 3d chess right here.
TOS pretty much redefined the canon when "Pandora Don't" was broadcast for the first time in the sixties. Challenging female and male stereotypes of the time as well as questioning hegemony as a strategy for any civilization was genius at it's best: unique, empathic and fraught with dangers. Sail on, Enterprise, sail on.
Star Trek TOS did its best to show an egalitarian future, with women in positions of power on the ship. In fact, in the original pilot, the first mate was a woman, but that was considered too much by the network. Women are different than men, and men and women have different strengths. This is not sexist, this is reality. I personally feel that what you are objecting to is sexuality between men and women, as Star Trek TOS is one of the LEAST sexist shows that I have seen, and is in fact a good example of a FEMINIST show.
Tyler White
Yes they are different, generally, but if a woman does make it to her position, we can assume she's equally as competent as a man who would be in that position, so maybe portraying that specific woman as an idiot who talks about how unromantic Mr. Spock is while they're both on a command bridge of a fucking spaceship, is not giving the woman much credit, and maybe that comes from certain prejudices the writers had. Again, I don't care, I'm a man, I don't give a shit about women's issues, but I'm not blind or stupid, don't feed me shit and call it caviar.
Kirkfag here, Elaan of Troyus was pretty much star treks adaptation of taming of the shrew which is inherently sexist
not that that's bad some bitches need to be tamed
Wyatt Martinez
What is a Kirkfag? Are you Bill?
Hunter Gutierrez
this show was extremely good OP
i watched it for the first time in 2017. Was watching it to get interested in Star Trek and to get into STD.
And STD ended up sucking ass. Whereas this old ass show ended up being infinitely more based and thought provoking.
Owen Wood
Bill left because people kept pretending to be him and he got annoyed
Alexander Gomez
I'm a woman, and I DO give a shit, and I know that Star Trek TOS was extremely progressive for its time and set the standard for futuristic sci fi as far as casting women in positions of power. For a female character to tease Mr Spock about being romantic is realistic, godammit. Bones and Kirk teased him all the time, didn't they? If Kirk can fall in love, why can't Uhura? Your ideas of feminism have been corrupted by 3rd wave feminism, I see.
You're a woman? Oh god okay, this explains everything. Look it's cool love, I get it, you're not like the other feminist shrills, you're a cool girl, you can hang with the boys and take the banter. I agree with you, feminists suck. I'm just saying, the dismissive and unprofessional way in which women are treated in many parts of the TOS is obvious with anyone with eyes. Maybe it really was progressive 60 years ago, but today it's funny.
That's all. It's just funny. It's still a good show
David Ross
>It's a Bones forces a woman to go through with an unwanted pregnancy and slaps her when she gets hysterical episode.
>I don't give a shit about womens issues >spends hours on a thread calling out a 50 year old tv show that pushed progression boundaries right and left ya right shlomo no one is buying your shit
Nathaniel Ward
Holy fuck I never even thought about it like that, just thought McCoy was doing the right thing and she was being evil for wanting to kill her child BASED
nice, Don and Roger=Kirk and McCoy, they did both have that sort of dad/older brother dynamic going on
Leo Miller
Feminists don't suck. 3rd wave feminists suck. Revisionists suck. People like you, patronizing hipster s*yb*ys, suck. Your analysis of Star Trek TOS as being dismissive and unprofessional towards women is laughable and uninformed. Look. I get it. Your teacher told you all about how unenlighted people were before the last 10 years or so when _ thank god_ sjws came along to save us from ourselves. I live in the real world, where my mother and grandmother were feminists, and where most people have been decent people becoming more and more enlightened for a long time. In that world, Gene Rodenberry and the cast and crew of Star Trek were breaking barriers of racism and sexism 50 years ago.
Mason Hall
it's just revisionist history written by some minimum-wage millenial soiboi writer, Kirk was always either making the moves on space babes or knocking them out with one punch, pay it no mind
We watched I Claudius in high school and when Patrick came on the entire room erupted in laughter at that stupid whig.
Levi Martin
I thought people would find it funny, didn't really expect anyone to disagree. Then when that girl did, I kept arguing because I don't fucking lose arguments. Especially not to a girl.
James Flores
To be fair, she slapped him first.
Owen Morris
>i was just kidding guys, really
Xavier Kelly
The only really dismissive part is Number One getting removed by CBS because they knew she was fucking Gene. What passed as banter in the 60s is a hate crime now. That's all that's changed.
Jordan Walker
>forces a woman to go through with an unwanted pregnancy
what part of the non-interference directive do you not understand ? Earth people may think its a 'right' for females to terminate fetus's on a whim but other planets might not be the same.
Colton Diaz
This is one of the few sane poeple in the thread. Kirk was a Chad, deal with it. That's part of what made him cool. You wanna suck Rodenberry's cock, go right ahead. Stargate was better anyway
Samuel Ramirez
Can you fucking imagine this episode getting made today? Sure they'd love the "defeat the nazis at all costs" message but they sure as hell wouldn't appreciate how those costs are paid.
Leo King
>I was merely pretending
Lucas Thompson
Chad =/= sexist
Nathan Torres
Objectively wrong
Jose Jackson
Does every thread on this site descend into political bullshit nowadays. I dont remember it been like this. I rarely browse these days though.
>Does every thread on the internet descend into political bullshit nowadays yes
Wyatt Carter
Just the ones that start out by incorrectly calling a show sexist. Just those ones.
Brayden Collins
No, I meant everything I said, the show is sexist. It just doesn't offend me, but I'm not going to let someone tell me it isn't then pretend like I agree with them. What are you even trying to say?
Ryan Rogers
That's because the entertainment industry itself is less about entertainment and more about shoving political bullshit down people's throats nowadays
Leo Jackson
Right, like, let's take Supergirl, is anyone gonna tell me Supergirl isn't sexist? All the men are morons. SUPERMAN is an incompetent moron. Star Trek is kinda like that, in reverse.
Lincoln Watson
No
John Sanders
Well, you got me. To you, and to you alone, I will concede my loss. You guys have fun, I've gotta go on a date. Who am I kidding, no one will believe that, I gotta get to work.
Ryder Bennett
Yes. No take backs.
Jose Morales
No
Charles Richardson
>Chad =/= sexist who knows if this is true or not (it's probably just semantics really) but I feel confident saying that there would be a hell of a lot of overlap on a Chad/sexist Venn diagram
Yes, TOS was a revolution for that time and even today.
The current Star Trek Discovery brings nothing new, it's a bureaucratic boring show The costumes are so blaze, they brought a gay couple and they think this is revolutionary Couples like this exist on tv for decades But they think that this is innovative for the franchise And years ago the producer Damon Lindelof apologized for the Alice Eve bikini scene in Star Trek Into Darkness
Kirk fell in love for any pussy who appears in front of him at the show
Isaac Wilson
>men are morons. SUPERMAN is an incompetent moron. >Star Trek is kinda like that, in reverse BULLSHIT ALL WOMEN PORTRAYED IN TOS ARE PORTRAYED AS COMPETENT.
Even the enemies. They´re just not stripped of their femininity and turned into smaller weaker yet magically better men, like everywhere else in current media-lala-land
>Feminists don't suck. yeah they do. women should never have been allowed to vote.
James Kelly
>>Damn it Jim! I'm a doctor not a gaynigger from outer space!!!FACT!!!
Isaiah Morales
Wrong. It's just that bitches don't give a shit because Chad makes them wet. If an ugly guy did the EXACT same shit a Chad does, he'd be branded a creep and brought up on charges.
Carson Harris
>one accident proves women cant fly
Nathan Clark
desu most aviators would have trouble recovering from losing an engine the second they were given the abort at that point. Plenty of male pilots have ejected on failed landings, she was just unlucky and her ejection delay killed her.
Zachary Barnes
B R I C K L A Y E R
Easton Mitchell
Go take your pills, Lindsay.
Levi Long
>one accident lol airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2019/02/12/first-female-viper-demo-team-pilot-relieved-after-two-weeks/ >Capt. Zoe Kotnik, the first female pilot to head the F-16 Viper demonstration team, was relieved of command Monday. Col. Derek O’Malley, 20th Fighter Wing commander, relieved Capt. Zoe Kotnik from command Feb. 11 due to a loss of confidence in her ability to lead and command the Air Combat Command F-16 Viper demonstration team,” said Col. Allen Herritage, director of public affairs at ACC >when "The Real Life Captain Marvel" is forced to resign command after nearly killing her squad, twice.
she stalled her own engine nigger. and she didn't abort, her co-pilot had to abort both of them because she was still trying to power out of a stall and would've killed both of them.
He doesn't age, but he has also looked 60 since he was 40.
William Bennett
>Star Trek TOS did its best to show an egalitarian future, with women in positions of power on the ship. I recently watched the ep. where Kirk's ex body-swapped with him. She was desperate to not be a woman any more so she could have a 'male' career.
Ryder Roberts
when /n/ was purged they all migrated to other boards when /new/ was purged they all migrated other boards >if /pol/ was purged...
>creepily paw at Literally only women talk like this.
Julian Wood
Why do we even have the word "sexism?" Anything woman can do, they can only do because we allow them. We let them vote, we let them have good jobs. Can't we get a thank you every once and a while instead of constant whining that we don't give them enough? What is "sexism?" When a man takes what he wants? Why shouldn't he? If he can take it he deserves it. This is the way of nature.
people who claim trek "has always been progressive" are usually idiots who never watched the show
Kevin Butler
Sexism=horseshit boomer morality
Owen Peterson
McCoy is a good ol boy in space; I don't know why people find this so hard to accept. The show is 50 years old - people who criticize it clearly haven't seen any contemporary media. It's totally innocuous by the standards of the day.
The civil rights movement was a new phenomenon when this stuff first aired. MLK himself was a chauvinist pig in private too; are we going after him now?
As he damned well should. Bibi Besch's character was a revelation - a real human being in a universe hitherto peopled by archetypes - and 25 years later, they used her for T&A. JJ's whole gang should be crucified for being so tone deaf.
Samuel Gomez
The whole point of progressive is that it makes progress. Given the stances of the period it certainly did that. First interracial kiss on television, first gay kiss on television, women and minority represented competent, a russian (during the fucking cold war) as one of the recurring good guys... I'd say those were all progress in the "right" direction.
Justin Davis
I love TOS, my roommate who's "non binary" or some shit is a huge Trekkie but ignores the "offensive" stuff that's in TOS. I think TOS was more progressive or whatever than all other trek material. They had the fucking first white guy to kiss a nigger on TV ever.
Not to mention Khan, the perfect human, was a Mexican warlord.
Bentley Scott
Trek actually didn't do the first interracial kiss on American TV, and the one they did do was not depicted as consensual (it did give S&P headaches nevertheless). The multicultural cast is what really distinguished the show.
Kayden Phillips
>recommends Let the Children Cry but not Time and Time Again
