Thoughts on season 2?
I kinda like it as a sci-fi show. It's star-trek only in name and you have to ignore some of the social commentary stuff but the production value is pretty great and Pike and Suru are very likable. Downside is that the main character is both extremely unlikable in how she is written and the actress is pretty bad.
I like it. Pike's actor stole the show although his character was pretty inconsistent in the latest episode. Tilly is still annoying though
I'm not a fan of the "alien database" that seems like it will answer all of their hard questions for them now. How the fuck could they have decoded all of that data by now and indexed it for searching?
I would have enjoyed it more if they had dropped all Star Trek references and just made a brand *new* sci-fi series.
It's AIDS!
literally the cyborg human. although it is a plot hole. that much info from a 100,000+ year old probe that criss-crossed the galaxy should have provided Starfleet with so much info that would probably be the biggest intelligence coup in galactic history
This.
There's very few well-produced science fiction shows. To call it a Trek show, and pretend there's nothing off about it is an absolute abomination.
The episodes are much more Star Trek-y this time, more focus on the crew, interesting dilemmas, personally I feel like the show is finding its footing finally.
Anyone want to bet on whether the red angel is time traveling Michael from the future?
*character named after an archangel*
it better not be any of the crew members or spock. i don't know why, but it would piss me off it was. and they better not be bringing up the temporal cold war shit again
Also, anyone else catch that Lorca's first name was Gabriel?
This.
coincidence. most anglo names are biblical
Biblical is one thing. But two archangels? Seems less of a coincidence.
it's deliberate
It is as its best a decent (6.5 out of 10) show.
Due to legal issues it has to be 25% different from real trek. So it can never be good (8 out of 10) or great (9 out of 10).
second best trek series. only TNG is better
Fuck off
Orville is better
Orville is a sitcom, it's BIg Bang Theory-tier, it's reddit in space
STD is getting better, I woulkd at this point rather watch Std than Enterprise or Voyager or DS9 or Orville
>it's reddit in space
unexpected laugh
If anything is reddit treddit tier it's this agenda pushing garbage
the orville is more comfy
>agenda
Do you remember an episode of The Original Series where there was a race that was half black and half white, and some of that race had the black and white the other way round and were discriminated against, and none of the crew could understand why? Do you remember when Kirk kissed Uhurahu? Do you remember when they met an alien that claimed to be god and Kirk said, hey what you need a starship for pal, do you remember when they went to a nazi planet, do you member
>Std than Enterprise
Okay, understandable
>Voyager
Voyager was a disappointment, but someone who wants episodic Trek would still take that over STD.
>DS9
nigga what, DS9 is STD's dark edgy plotline shit except done better
I have always, and will always maintain the position that DS9 is WACK
I have never watched this show and never will watch this show, I refuse to touch anything star trek that isn't TOS or the first 6 movies
but can somebody tell me what is up with the black girl? is she gay or a tranny with that Michael name or what?
>you have to ignore some of the social commentary stuff
I don't get why people keep saying this about STD, if anything STD is one of the worst Trek shows at delivering "messages" or whatever you want to call it.
Like S1 starting off looking like it was trying to make some sort of argument for diversity being better than the Klingon's isolationism, but then like 75% of the season wasn't really about that at all. Then they threw in Lorca saying "make the Empire great again" towards the end as if that would signify anything when the rest of the story doesn't really hit on the theme at all.
She's just named Michael because Bryan Fuller has some sort of weird gimmick where he likes to name female characters with male names.
I mean, there are girls named Michael in real life too so it's not hard to believe it will be an androgynous name in the future, like what happened with the name Ashley.
>Doug Jones and Anson Mount are too good for the series.
>Tilly actress is doing her best with shit. Better actress than Stamets or anyone else in the cast not previously mentioned.
>Michael Burnham is a mistake.
>The special effects are very high quality for a TV show; they are enjoyable if you ignore everything they represent. They're visual candy.
>It isn't canon, visually or otherwise. If it's due to rights, fine. If not, then it just makes the producers and writers look even worse. It isn't groundbreaking, it isn't thought-provoking, and it isn't interesting.
This series will be forgotten. It will not be rewatched, it will not become a hidden gem or clandestine fan favorite like the 1st two seasons of Family Guy. It will fade into oblivion like Ghostbusters 2016 or Ocean's Whamen or The Last Jedi.
A shame. A damn shame.
so shes just black power feminist pandering, not gay lobby pandering
It's getting there. Still some missteps, but it's getting there. Take the last episode, for example: The first half was absolutely solid Star Trek – problem-solving, moral quandary, it was all there – the second half however felt incredibly rushed. If they manage to even out those quirks, it could become a really good show. I agree as far as Michael is concerned though. She's a damn unlikeable character played by a one-note actress.
No, it's not. It's not bad either, but it's not "better" for one simple reason: The Orville is incredibly formulaic. "Trek-formulaic", if you will, but all in all it's simply playing it safe.
If you know your Star Trek, you can basically predict the outcome of each and every Orville episode. Discovery at least brings something new to the mix and while that implies the possibility to fail – and it certainly HAS failed here and there (especially in the first season) – it still makes it a more interesting show.
it's social commentary by waffling retards addicted to social media. gotta get that feedback yo.
No, she's simply a character with an unusual name.
Gabriel was probably chosen as a foil to Michael when the show was designed. They’ve always been the most famous two archangels (not counting Lucifer of course).
I've only watched the first season of The Orville, but if I had a problem with the show, it's not so much that it's predictable (lots of Trek episodes are too), it's that too many of its ideas are just recycled Trek ideas without a new twist, so I just get kinda bored.
For example Trek probably has like 2 dozen prime directive episodes, but the majority of them always introduce something at least slightly new to make the situation different.
The sex changing baby one and the social media planet were the only Orville episodes that felt like what a modern classic Trek episode would be like, the rest were just weaker TNG/Voyager episodes with nothing new on top. I'll probably get to season 2 soon enough to see if they've improved on that front at least.
How was it Star Trek at all if they were somehow beaming people while shields were up the entire episode?
Ouch, I hadn't even noticed that. But now that you point it out...
That's not what makes an episode "Star Trek" or not though. That's just an aggravating oversight on the part of the writers.
Not like it'd be the first time Trek writers forgot about not beaming through the shields, I think it happened in Voyager like at least 3 times.
Oh, and I forgot.
>Michael is the red angel. There's no way the writers would let a being in Star Trek exist who's more of a savior than Burnham. It's not possible.
In TNG 6x04 "Relics" they beamed Geordi and Scotty right through the Jenolan's shields – very VISIBLE shields in that case.
In "The Sounds of Thunder", at least it could be argued that we don't know whether the Discovery's shields were really up at ALL times, even though that's a shitty pretext in that case.
>Thoughts on season 2?
I'm shocked by how bad it is. I quit watching it this episode. Total nosedive when it should be better than s1
Honestly starting to like it a lot. Haven't found a Star Trek show so interesting ever since the end of DS9 (VOY got more and more repetitive after Season 4 and I never really liked ENT to begin with).
All this fucking show does it make me wish they'd make a comedy Star Trek show that looks and feels like the original. I'm soo fucking sick of the dour, po faced bullshit. Time for some Batman & Robin style fuckery!!!FACT!!!