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realistically, what would it have taken for the nazis to win?
this movie makes sad tbqh
dunno why
Well for starters their soil PH was up about 9.6 and they needed a 7 to 8 max.
as soon as the russians were near berlin they should of surrendered to the Americans
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I think if Hitler sent a Russian agent in to violently rape Stalin and fill his cheeks with goof juice the Russians would've lost morale and gave up
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>should of
Don't attack russia and don't get attacked by russia.
This. If that homocidal dipshit didn't think he could pull off what Napoleon couldn't Europe woulda been fucked.
That and he really should have kept a tighter leash on his Japanese allies. Those dipshits got America involved.
Thankfully he didn't do any of that shit. We'd all have been better off had he eaten a bullet after failing to get into art school.
At that point? Nothing they could do. Once they started a two-front war they were fucked. Invading the soviet union was a huge mistake in itself, doing it before having broken britain was an even bigger one. The point is that you can't really defeat a country that was as big as the USSR. Taking Moscow would have been a heavy blow sure, but they had shitloads of winter troops in Siberia and on the Manchurian border.
Maybe if Hitler made the Japanese invade Siberia he could have bought himself a little time so the Soviets couldn't redeploy elite winter troops to the western front. But I doubt the nazis still would have won. Stalin wasn't the kind of guy who gave up and would probably have thrown children and old ladies into the meatgrinder if the going got tough.
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Considering that Japan was nuked, nothing? What was to stop USA from obliterating Germany with nukes? Not just two, but carpet bombing the place out of existence?
Lmao at that point? They were absolutely fucked
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With the intel available at the time, attacking soviet russia seemed like a good idea so they went for it. the goal for germany was always lebensraum and autarky, erasing russia would have given them both. the red army was already in a sorry state with the purges going on and they even took months to break finland in the winter war. the assumption that communism would collapse if you just kicked in their door hard enough was not that unreasonable. also considering that russia dropped out of ww1 before and devolved into chaos
>Once they started a two-front war they were fucked. Invading the soviet union was a huge mistake in itself
Yes and no. The entire point of the war for Hitler was always to get at the communists in the east, but then the anglos had to go and fuck everything up.
>The point is that you can't really defeat a country that was as big as the USSR. Taking Moscow would have been a heavy blow
Wrong. Their entire strategy hinged on annihilating the red army before even reaching Moscow. Taking Moscow would have done nothing (see: Napoleon). However, they simply miscalculated and thought that the red army only had half the divisions they actually had, and never thought to second guess themselves throughout the remaind of the war, leading them to believe the red army was always on the verge of collapse.
At operation Citadel (the final German offensive in the East) even though the Soviets had months to prepare thanks to the Anglo giving Stalin all the intel he needed, and created something like 300 km of minefields, trenches and AT positions, they were still taken aback by the skill and fury of the German offensive, and lost a shit ton of their armor.
Had Hitler not delayed for several months in order to get tigers (which were too slow and cumbersome to take any advantage of any breakthrough, even though without them they wouldn't have made much progress at all) and Panthers (where the crews were completely unfamiliar with their new vehicles, as well as the new vehicles not having been properly tested leading to mechanical failures), they could very well have taken the Kursk salient, leading to a renewed offensive in the East.
In actual fact, the operation was only stopped by the allies landing in Sicily, forcing Hitler to divert troops from the east to the second front.
Had Hitler not underestimated the Russians, not pissed away the chance to pacify England at Dunkirk (as well as the battle of Britain) they could have won the war, even at the later stages.
Wold War II was not only the destructive but also the most unnecessary war. If the entente would have just pillaged a few german cities in World War I to signal germany's population that the war was lost and didn't put an "invisible" burden upon germany with the treaty of versailles, the whole world would have been better off today. The aftermath of World War I was much worse than the war itself.
To not be Nazis (aggressively trying to take everybody's land and kill everyone) and for Hitler to not be a retard (alienating potential allies by breaking every promise and treaty he ever made) in the first place.
Why was Hitler such a crazy megalomaniac? Why couldn't he be happy without total conquest? Bringing your people out of the dumps of post ww1 germany is a good enough feat. Fucking moron.
Don't attack Russia
Japan not attacking the U.S. and instead focusing on China and India
Don't waste troops and resources on internment camps and the "Final Solution". Allow them to escape as refugees and force the Allies to spend resources dealing with them
Instead of autistically investing in more tanks after the succesful invasion of France, they invade Russia and invest more in rapidly taking land and setting up defensive positions with anti-tank weaponry. Had they done that they probably would've been able to bleed to Russians out after their scorched earth policy. Whenever we a wehraboo starts arguing about the amazing speed of German reverse engineering and production capabilities , remind that that their autism over tanks is what cost them the war.
Guderian may have been a miracle, but he could only do so much.
I think you missed the "realistically" part, my man.
>giving Stalin all the intel he needed
Stalin didn't even listen to half of the fucking intel that said Germany was coming for his ass because he was so paranoid of the western world trying to trick him. He got caught with his pants down and that's largely why Hitler was able to do anything at all, Stalin's blunders were his own.
That's what a fascist economy is. No war, no growth.
You mite want to read these books.
Because he created a war economy in order to bring Germany out of depression, and a war economy is going to collapse pretty quickly without an actual war going on.
Not attack britain.
>goof juice
Zero chance for Nazi Germany to win without long range bombers and nukes.
>If the entente would have just pillaged a few german cities in World War I to signal germany's population that the war was lost
They did. They also forcibly starved Germans for via a blockade for months after the war had ended which killed hundreds of thousands of people.
>Fascist economies are war economies
You're probably not even aware that Portugal was fascist at the time yet stayed neutral then joined nato are you?
This. If they weren't retarded they could have allied half of Europe to fight against the commies. Hell, even the Russians hated communists and were happy to see German troops at the start.
Thats exactly what they did? Half of eastern Europa was allied with them.
Honestly? The Soviets doing something stupid.
They just had to wait 1-2 more years before declaring war on Russia
Without the interference of all out war, the Nazis would've been the first to create a practical application of the Atomic bomb.
>1946
>drop nuclear bomb on Moscow
>Russia surrenders unconditionally
>UK surrenders unconditionally
>USA signs truce with Germany
>Germany annexes everything in between Lisbon and Vladivostok
It's so obvious... How could I not see it...
It's the Jews fault!
germany had a 0% chance of winning the war
they were critically short of oil which is one of the big reasons they invaded the soviet union when they did
>but bro just get japan to invade them
and why would they do that? what would japan even have to gain? germany and japans treaty only covered them if one of them was invaded by the soviet union not the other way around. all of the soviet unions resources were where germany was invading and japan was gearing to attack the usa. literally no point.
>bro just invade britain
with what? germany didnt have the navy, the airforce or the resources to crush the british and with churchill in power they would have fought to the last just as the nazis did
>bro just like dont invade russia
ok so you just defeated the entire point of the war and the end goal of nazism itself which was never going to happen
>bro just take moscow
pointless, germany needed the oil which is precisely what they went for and they couldnt make it in time
>bro just go to the middle east
the middle east didnt have the oil infrastructure it does now, even the british at the time got fuck all out of it
>bro just make hitler listen to his generals
hitler actually correctly didn't listen to his generals a lot of times when they were wrong like the invasion of france and capturing moscow
tired of this wehraboo shit they were fucked the minute they invaded poland and its a miracle they lasted as long as they did
Realistically, there was not really anything Germany could do. If they didn't attack, Russia was going to declare war and attack them within a year or so.
And you have to remember, Stalin did almost everything he possibly could wrong at the beginning of the war. He took personal command of the military and made blunder after blunder, but Russia could afford to lose their entire supply of tanks, aircraft, and basically their whole initial 5 million man army, and next year they had another 8 million soldiers right behind that and more tanks and aircraft because all their factories were in the East and far out of range of German Aircraft.
You conveniently forget the fact that the Nazis weren't pursuing nuclear science because it was "jewish" and all the top German atomic scientists were in the USA.
Yeah and then they purged evryone to create "Lebensraum". Wiithin a short period of time they managed to turn the popultaion that they allied with, and that was initially on their side, against them by being nazis.
The only winning move is not to play, Hitler probably could have gotten Danzig diplomatically anyway. Not to mention he already had Austria and the Sudetenland under his belt, he would have been remembered as one of the best leaders of all time if he simply kept the peace.
Germany wasn't even close to building a bomb it was discovered after the war.
Adolf only thrown an autistic fit because poolacks of the yore didn't surrender but decided to fight ot the last man. So he bombed us to the last man.
We could have been marching with magyars and croats on moscow but no.
So how much reparations have you paid for hosting the polish gas chambers?
why didn't hitler used the eagles to invade moscow?
You are retarded and have no idea what you are talking about. What about Hungary, the Baltics, Romania, Bulgaria , Finland and Croatia?
Except that most slavs were completely useless, illiterate, and lazy back then. Western europeans saw eastern europeans only a notch above africans back then. It would've made no sense to ally with them. Germans did the only logical sense by getting rid of them and making space for germanic people.
Apparently we're due $100 billion. Not to Israel mind you, to the World Jewish Congress, based in New York. Imagine that.
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>Germans did the only logical sense by getting rid of them and making space for germanic people.
Yea, and they lost lmao
By the time the Russians were near Berlin The soviet zone was already decided and Eisenhower had every intention of honouring it no matter what.
Don't invade Poland.
germany had a base on the moon
He fell for the Hitler meme
I'm talking about later on, after the enigma was cracked.
You're right in that he didn't have complete faith in the allies, nonetheless he believed them enough to spend months moving forces from other parts of the front to the Kursk salient and constructing an awe inspiring defense in depth that was designed to wear down and slowly deplete the axis strength.
>Those dipshits got America involved.
Shitler declared war on the US when he didn't have to. That literally made an American D-Day possible