This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition.
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>Winifred told me that "Wolf" had only scorn for the famed conductor Herbert von Karajan after he fumbled at one point in a gala performance of Die Meistersinger for the King and Queen of Yugoslavia in June 1939. Conducting without a score, Karajan lost his way, the singers halted, the curtain was rung down in confusion. Furious, Hitler directed Winifred: "Herr von Karajan will never conduct at Bayreuth in my lifetime" -- and he did not.
Could you share pieces and passages similar to the fifth variation in Liszt's Totentanz? Roughly from 7:05 in that video. And particularly the 'burst' from 8:50 to 9:15
Thank you
Oliver Green
look at this dood
Christian Reyes
brahms was the mozartian of his time, wagner was an unashamed beethoven worshipper through and through.
Joseph Cox
i found a stereo recording of richter playing beethoven op111 that's on par with the 1963 leipzig performance, but unfortunately the op109 and op110 are in mono. does anyone here know of any releases of recordings of richter playing those 2 sonatas in stereo from maybe around the late 60s or 70s?
Charles Davis
>wagner was an unashamed beethoven worshipper through and through. So was Brahms, so this comparison isn't exactly fit.
While Goethe was Wagner's biggest influence in German literature, he was closer himself to Schiller. Likewise Beethoven was his biggest musical influence, he was closer himself to Mozart. He said as much himself.
Grayson Sanchez
>Likewise Beethoven was his biggest musical influence, he was closer himself to Mozart. wagnertrannies are so fucking stupid holy shit.
Jordan Nguyen
What is wrong with that? You seem to have the reading comprehension of a child in thinking technical influence equates to character.
Mozart and Wagner were both dramatic composers which can be easily recognised by their themes, Beethoven and Brahms were symphonists with more emphasis on the plastic structuring.
Ryan Murphy
yeah you're a fucking retard, kindly never respond to me again.
Levi Price
Not an argument.
Eli Morgan
i don’t argue with braindeads.
Mason Edwards
omg Wagner is literally the best ever!!! *eats cum shit and piss*
Andrew Martinez
What role did Monteverdi played? What was his best works?
Developed both early opera and the concerted madrigal, also known for the first unprepared dissonance in his madrigal Cruda Amarilli. >His surviving music includes nine books of madrigals, large-scale religious works, such as his Vespro della Beata Vergine of 1610, and three complete operas. His opera L'Orfeo (1607) is the earliest of the genre still widely performed; towards the end of his life he wrote works for Venice, including Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria and L'incoronazione di Poppea.
Logan Wright
how do you rate his music pegi 18 or more?
Bentley Kelly
I love music bros
Leo Harris
He was going to compose a symphony based on Paradise Lost, which he said would be in one movement and would be comprised of contrasting themes, but died before he could. Who knows how innovative it may have been.
Ayden Reed
it would probably have sucked because wagner was a terrible symphonist
Jaxon Collins
Terrible symphonist? And what's the evidence? The few early symphonic works he composed?
>why are you calling him a terrible symphonist when he wrote terrible symphonies beats me
Landon Cooper
why are you gay?
Josiah White
Your reading comprehension seems to be in bad shape, so let me spell it out for you: the majority of his symphonic works were written in the first half of the 19th-century, he became a great composer in the second half and wrote many great works in that time. If your evidence as to why Wagner would write a bad symphonic work in his last years is the few early works that he composed when he hasn't yet developed his style and consequently achieved greatness, then it's quite weak.
Michael Jenkins
>b-b-but it doesn't count wagnertrannies bore me
Adrian Cook
Not even a typical Wagnerposter, but I can see that you're just here to act like a retard. Understood, carry on then.
Eli Stewart
>i don't usually dilate to wagner but when i do it's to theoretical nonexistent works he never wrote
Joseph Bennett
That's like saying he was a terrible opera composer because his student operas sucked. Yet his unique operatic style worked in much of the same sphere as the symphonist, along with his acute self awareness of what would have to change about his style to compose symphonies, it's quite obvious he would have succeeded.
Chase White
he was a good operatic composer because he wrote good operas. he was a terrible symphonist because he wrote terrible symphonies. simple as, anything more is rationalization and cope.
Christian Martinez
>anything more is rationalization and cope. If you want to go this route at least give an honest evaluation of his achievements. His opera style ('through composed' as they say) DOES contain many symphonic elements, which he mastered.
So you should say: He was in half-respects a good symphonist, and in the other half bad. He was in full a good opera composer.
John Parker
no, he never wrote a good symphony so he isn’t a good symphonist. not hard to understand. >b-but opera isn’t a symphony. next!
Jackson Brown
/:
Mason Watson
dilate freak
Oliver James
no need to tell me what you're up to wagnertranny, i already know based on your troon status.
Thomas Garcia
Whats the next delusion? Wagner wrote good piano music? Lmao
I'm going nuts trying to find a recording that I used to listen to but which I can't seem to find anywhere else. The piece is the Swan Lake suite performed by the Moscow Radio Symphony Orchestra conducted by Rozhdestvensky. I know it exists and that I'm not completely insane because I've managed to find photos of several LPs and a cassette tape (pic rel) of what I'm looking for but for the life of me I can't find either a CD or a download ANYWHERE despite the fucking thing being on youtube in excellent quality for years.
it was probably just never transferred to CD by a label, either that or it was done by some obscure russian label that hasn’t been cataloged by the west (happens more often than you’d think)
But what gets me is that it was on youtube in excellent quality (ie. not transferred from vinyl or cassette) for at least half a decade and I've found multiple recordings of the full ballet with the same orchestra and conductor available as a CD and/or download as well as a number of LPs and cassettes. I'm having trouble believing that it isn't floating in the ether somewhere right under my nose, especially given the fame of both the conductor and the orchestra. I also looked through the 1849-page 'tism tome published by "Tchaikovsky Research" to see if it was maybe released under another name but the numbers didn't line up for any of the full ballet listings and there was nothing with Rozhdestvensky and the MRSO under the suite subsection. I'm starting to dive into Tchaikovsky compilations to see if it wasn't part of a multi-disc set or something but I'm not holding out much hope.
People, including myself, always forget about Yves Nat. Been listening to his Beethoven again this afternoon. What a muscular Beethoven pianist. Maybe too headstrong for some, but if you like your Beethoven with piss and vinegar, his cycle might be worth looking into.
do i seriously need yet another mono beethoven sonata cycle? i have enough of those that i don’t touch.
Lincoln Russell
Do you NEED one? No. But, hey, maybe it'll do something for you.
I would put it in the same ballpark as Richter's Leipzig in terms of muscularity, though Nat tends to have a stronger left hand and is less secure technically, as he stopped being a concert pianist to teach for a few decades.