Alita's Flaws

No.

The fact she is the only surviving example of her type, and Doc's statement her survival was a miracle... would seem to indicate that it is.

How? She's born capable of fighting like a badass. What makes her not be a mary sue like Ray?

Bad dialogue. Especially the quips.

There. Were. No. Flaws.

>fighting like a badass

yet the flashback shows that her entire crew got annihilated like retards on that cable running up to zalem

by prehistoric sawblade tech

i guess they don't do troop drops on mars

They took out every other floating city, so they were doing something right, user.

Only retards would deliberately drop into a hot LZ. You have seen too many movies, warrior.

Except she wasn’t. As they gave grewshika makaku’s line about making alita into a pendant.

The danger is still real and Nova told him he wanted her dead.

Here are some objective flaws of the movie I noticed.
>The disappearing burrito
>Bites taken out the chocolate bar didn't actually get bitten out
>The fight scene on the moon was impossible due to not enough gravity
>Half the time when Hugo is supposed to be looking at Alita he staring off into space
>Its not possible Grewishka could hold several hundred feet of chain in his arm
>There is no way Chiren could surgically remove Hugo's head and attach it to Alita with a small bag of instruments not in such a short period of time
This is just a short list off the top of my head.

>nor in such a short period of time

>establish character is specifically not trying to kill
>DANGUR STILL REAL THO

the state of alita shills.

>what is taunting

Why are her eyes so big?

That’s an awfully specific taunt. Especially considering the source of it. But keep reaching. It’s all you can do.

She is a military cyborg- a brain in a robot. There used to be many in a war 300 years earlier, but she is the last of her type.

The eyes are for better visibility in combat.

- Motorball was poorly explained. Outside they played rollerball in all but name, on the inside it was nonsensical slaughter

That's the fucking point of Motorball

- No danger to the protagonist, she's pretty much Super Saiyan straight away

She has a biological brain, fool.

How long does it take for you to surgically remove a head and attach it to a cyborg, user? Do you need an entire lab to do it?

It's sadistic. They took it from the sicko from the manga and changed its use. So? This whole discussion is worthless anyway because being made into a pendant is definitely a danger even if not directly to her life.

I love how there’s a new weak excuse every day for the eyes. Fact is, cameron knew shit about anime and thought they were a character trait, rather than the style.

Nobody here knows Super Saiyan, Yea Forums.

>it’s a danger
>except it isn’t because she was apparently trained to fight with one arm and both legs tied behind her back

You saw it off with a saw and hotglue the fucking main artery to keep the bloodflow to the brain.

Giving her boyfriend 2 death scenes within 20 minutes of each other was a mistake. It was hard enough to care about Trinity dying the second time in The Matrix but at least it was an entire film later.

All the berserkers have the same eyes, user. Watch the movie.

>- She is also unkillable, and it's unclear how vulnerable prosthetic people are; can you cut off their head and have them still kickin'?
I disagree. I think one of the biggest flaws of marvel flicks is I have no idea what anyone's vulnerability is. People get punched with the force to obliterate them and they're not even hurt like a Saturday morning cartoon but then they can be stabbed with a normal blade and get cut, but as still immune to bullets. I feel like every fight scene in the last few MCU movies, especially Thor Ragnarok, has been complete garbage because I simply don't know what it takes it kill these characters. Some injuries apply to them, others they are randomly immune to.
In Alita it seems pretty obvious. Unlike marvel, falling from heights and blunt force can kill them, if their hearts or brains get destroyed they die, but they can lose limbs with no worries and just get them replaced. Alita always felt vulnerable because one shot to the head would kill her. I think the part where she was sliced up was done very well.

Works every time! ; )

Having your legs tied and not having them at all is not the same thing, retard. If she ended up without arms and legs, she'd be fucked.

This. Also they did make them smaller after the initial reaction to the first trailer right? I keep hearing that but havent seen a comparison

That was the one real mistake in the film. Strange how the trolls don't complain about it.

>claim the scrapyard is the only place left to live
>hugo and friends leave the scrapyard and establish its all verdant farms and lagoons outside the city

All of these are dumb objections except for the burrito, which actually distracted me in the theater.

Unlike you he isn't retarded.

I have. The fact of the matter is there is no excuse for the eyes.

It was surprising I had t heard any bitching about that when yeah it was what my friend and I thought was the most retarded part if the film. We were joking that they "killed" him the second time in such a way that they potentially could bring him back in the sequel to die another 3 or 4 times

I see you are determined to insist the movie had zero flaws. Even when one is inarguably directly presented to you.

It kind of does when you need to keep the head alive for like 20 minutes.

Most people prefer to live in towns, user...
...and Iron City is the only city left.

What's this about a burrito?

The biggest flaw is that I can't go to the movie theater alone to watch this.

There is no excuse, because none is needed.

She has a robot body, you fucking moron- her eyes could be the size of television cameras.

Not even a mistake. First time he doesn't die but ends up thinking he lost everything he had. It kills his spirit and results in him desperately trying to get to Zalem. She manages to restore his spirit but Nova kills his body right after.

>I see
Cringy retard. You went out of arguments and now try to pull that shit? Kys.

The entire face is slightly different in every trailer. The irises change size, different saturation/lighting, more realistic skin, less realistic skin, etc they eventually just abandoned western marketing and opted for paid shills on the internet.

But theres no reason people couldnt live in small villages outside of the city.

Likewise why the fuck in 300 years has nobody picked that crashed ship clean of parts?
>"we couldnt possibly go inside it, the door is underwater"
Literally every second extra walking around has a bionic arm or leg but no scavengers have access to fucking scuba gear?

A burrito disappears from her hand after a cut. Reappears on the ground a second later.
I did, didn't even die or anything

Fine in theory, but I don't think it worked well in the film. The rest was great.

Too bad they’re exactly why the movie flopped, and the constant shifting excuses won’t change anything.

It's not so much a mistake as in a plot hole so much as it's a mistake as at as tone is concerned. Having some tear jerking sad death scene for this faggot followed by ANOTHER tear jerking death scene for him 20 minutes later is retarded

Her smug shitalking lead to hugo's death.

I think it worked just fine.

>b-but I was quibbling how dare you disengage!!

Active security systems on ships to keep non whites away.

They SAID why in the film- nobody understands the technology, so it is useless to them.

I'm gonna strip parts of a F-22 to hop-up muh hemi!"

it's a dishonest film

Worked out well for them it seems...

Besides I think Cameron just assumed if people didnt have a problem with big eyed na'vi they wouldn't have a problem with this

The first one was to redeem Chiren. And it wasn't only about him dying but there was still emotion about him being a criminal involved, she didn't let out outside.

Disney shills are already in damage control since they know Star Wars IX: The Death of a Franchise doesn't have any single action scene as good as the ones in Alita.

Retard. I beat you. Stop crying and take it like a man.

Alita has 2 problems.
1. She's not real.
2. She's not my gf.

Nobody understands the super duper advanced fighting body which works more or less the same way that the body Waltz made for his daughter does?
This is a better excuse

This, I am afraid. He could have just died on the table after Ito turned him into a cyborg. Simpler, with the same irony. The only big mistake in the film.

He concieved this shit decades before avatar. Aliens not looking human is also a good thing. A human not looking human is a bad thing.

I watched it, it's bad
The dialogue is embarrassing, the plot is unfocussed and all a setup for a sequel that it doesn't deserve, the acting is bad
The action fights are well animated, but have no stakes and no tension, it's just motion and noise
Stop trying to trick people into watching this, it's not funny

What didn't make sense to me is that there's no reason for everyone to have bionic limbs unless they were actually superior, which they're very clearly not. Unless they live in a warzone or somehow most of the population is engaged in extremely hazardous work, there's no reason for so many people to be missing limbs. Except of course just to flaunt the idea and showcase bionics but it doesn't make sense. Maybe there's some backstory in the manga but I didn't see it in the movie.

Nah. I stated facts. You came up with excuses.

I fear other people judging me more than anything.

>keeps crying
The discussion is closed and everyone can look it up. Stop embarassing yourself.

Nope. Not even Ito. He said he didn't understand it, and couldn't repair it.

It doesn't work the same way, either- electronically controlled artificial muscles and nanomachines, not servos and hydraulics.

Please... try actually watching the movie, instead of just reading a synopsis of it.

There's something you need to understand. Others are insecure too. Very much so. Not to the amount you are, probably, because they didn't grow up in such a fucked up way (just gonna assume) and had opportunities to get used to it, hence why you should confront that fear. You'll realize nothing is gonna happen to you going there and people won't mind at all.

Dude fancy it up however you want its 2 consecutive death scenes for the same character within 30 minutes of each other

Alita isn't human. She is a cyborg- a brain in a robot.

you are batting 1.000 in stupidity today. Are you doing it deliberately?

This so fucking much. I convinced my friends to go see it with me because of Yea Forums and we all regretted it after wishing we saw how to train your dragon instead. The dialogue is a big joke , like super cringe. The scene where Marshalla Ali got killed was funny tho, intentional or not. Never again will Yea Forums trick me into seeing trash.

Not a problem. Having someone get lethally wounded and then them dying in the hospital is the same thing, without Alita proving her goodness once again however.

Poor baby missed your widdle kiddie dragon movie? x)

(never happened, either)

>The sprawling sub-megapolis had about as much locations as your average Cheers episode

That's because all the street level shots were physical sets like in the original Blade Runner.

Nobody's going to judge a random guy in a dark theater whom they can't even see.

And that is what they should have gone with.

>pasta
Only thing you fell for is the pasta you responded to. Calling Alita's dialogue cringe and then stating you'd rather have seen How to train your Dragon isn't convincing btw.

Zero characters have the large eyes and no on comments on her freakish eyes, thus she was supposed to pass for human. They even kept the “man, you’re heavy” line from hugo.

Can we talk about the elephant in the room? Can we talk about the stupid romance plot? The source material is about a cyborg girl who spends 99% of her time fighting. Shehas a triple career as a gladiator and violent sport athlete and bounty hunter, all while exploring a gigantic dystopian city and its levels of corruption, and discovering her place in a clusterfuck of space politics and conspiracy, and yet... HALF OF THE MOVIE WAS ABOUT A TACKED ON ROMANCE.

Who the FUCK wanted a romance plot in their Battle Angel Alita movie? Who the fuck wanted Alita to climb up a building and smile while looking at shirtless sleeping with rocking abs on his perfect hairless body, and then she literally offers him her heart?

Who wanted this? That girl has a straightforward personality: 99% is ultra violence.

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Between talking about growing up in the sewers, him wanting to pop Alita's head in the alley fight, his grub-like spinal column, and his veneration for/allegiance to Nova for saving him from the sewers and turning him into something more, something actually his fighting spirit, it's pretty clear that "Grewishka" is Makaku in everything but name.

If you look at the concept art, you'll see that he originally was going to look exactly like Manga Makaku before they gave him the more mechanical/detailed look that he had in the film.

B-but he referenced a movie death scene (from another post)! It must be true! ; )

No. He went because he was hopeless but she restored that hope. He didn't think anyone would still take up with him but she cared that much. Letting him die on the table would neither show the difference between her and the rest of the world nor give her a personal reason to go after Nova.

I went to Vue in Dagenham and apart from me and my friends, only 4 people where there. Why would I make up shit about a movie? I would never talk about a movie I haven't seen which is why I don't talk about DC movies. You shills just have to admit that the movie was just bad.

Cameron lacks the skill to go off formula.

All the berserkers have Alita's eyes. Watch the flashbacks.

I can narrate every scene in the movie from start to finish except when Alita went to see Hugo after getting her new body and apparently they snogged. I missed it cos I went to the bathroom but my friends told me about it when I came back.

They were very similar but Grewishka wasn't as insane as Makaku and under direct control of Nova.

The URM ship in the Badlands would be as if the space shuttle crashed outside Dickensian London. It'd be nothing more than a rotting curiosity because nobody would have any clue about how the hell it worked or even what the hell it was made of.

>Who the fuck wanted to watch Alita climb up a building and smile while looking at a shirtless boy
Fixd. So angry I can't write properly.

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Special Forces guys have wives and girlfriends, user. Sad that you don't...

Yeah the crowd scenes were kind of retarded for that. Had it been just a short time after a war or life was do hard that losing a limb in the mines was likely to happen I'd understand but The Fall was hundreds of years ago and life in the slums seemed pretty comfy. Look at the size of the chocolate bar for fuck sake!

Just seemed like they had a bunch of extras with ugly robot limbs just so they could show how "futuristic" the world was

Your post has kind of an incel smell to it, user.

Street gangs go around cutting limbs off for resale, user. Not just prosthetic ones, either.

interesting speak more

>Alita always felt vulnerable because one shot to the head would kill her
It didn't seem like that to me, her brain is still human but her face and skull are supersoldier martian technology, she survived the fall from the flating city assault and getting punched a lot without even a scratch to the face

I honestly hope that they left more Grewishka scenes on the cutting room floor and that we get to see them in a directors cut or DVD special features. When he talks in the sewer about Nova and what he once was, they make it pretty clear that he's more than just some dumb heavy while hinting at his tragic backstory and his complex motivations from the manga.

Even if it was just something like him talking with Chiren about their wildly different upbringings but similar motivations while she repairs him, or him with Vector discussing what they are now vs where they came from over a drink would have been cool to see, if only for fleshing out the manga story.

Is this speedwatcher general?

based and red(planet)pilled

The bitch swims underwater and walks right into the ship which has been sitting there for hundreds of years untouched.

Her new gang are so desperate for money they're assaulting people in the streets and cutting off their limbs you're yelling me nobody in 3 centuries would have tried figuring that shit out? Besides that wasnt the main problem, the main problem was that nobody had even gone INSIDE the ship. She gets there with her gang and they just stand there scratching their heads like theyve never figured out how to swim

As someone who read the manga, it was clear they just copied makaku’s lines. As makaku without the whole “body stealing nieztche quoting worm” thing isn’t makaku.

I love when she kicked his ass in his huge body then he comes back later in....a slightly different huge body and hes supposed to be super intimidating now when he looks mostly the same except for his tentacle arms

Trips of truth. It's a world where body parts are traded and sold like car parts in the Bronx in the 80s. Between that and the fact that it's pretty clearly a heavily industrial city where people and cyborgs are seen as utterly disposable, and it's no surprise that tons of people have either lost limbs at work or had them stolen.

And that's not counting people like Ido's nurse or the 3-armed busker, who probably saw their cybernetic limbs as enhancements that made them better at their work than any natural human would ever be, the sort of cybernetic gateway drug that would start you down the path towards ending up like Zapan, Screwhead, or the Motorball racers, where you're basically just a head and a life support system that change bodies as easily as most people change clothes.

The story would have made a lot more sense if they went with the idea that nobody was allowed to leave the city. Anybody could leave, which opens a lot of strange plot holes.
>Chiren betrays Vector and then shows up to work and calmly announcer her betrayal, instead of just hopping in a car and driving far away.
>Hugo is saddened that he has a bounty on his head and cannot live normally anymore, instead of just hopping on his monowheel bike and driving far away
>Nova threatents Alita through Vector to attack everyone she loves (Ido's clinic) and, again, they do not jump on a motorized vehicle and drives far away
The movie made clear that Vector controlled the city, and it made clear that Nova was powerful, but obviously the normal reaction for any threatened character would have been to leave the city and travel to the opposite side of the globe. Was it supposed to be a toxic wasteland outside the city where nobody could live and escape to? It certainly didn't feel that way.

Again fancy it up as much as you want it's still 2 death scenes. What they should have done is not have him "die" in that church. Had him still concious when Jennifer Connelly comes over and pulled Herbert West

"Well, I dropped a hemi in my '71 Challenger, so I guess I'll build me a Joint Strike Fighter next!"

I doubt it. I doubt it will get an Extended Cut altogether. I hope so, but I don't think it will happen. I guess it depends on whether they made any cuts real late in the game. This isn't the kind of movie where integrating a scene is done with some cutting, color grading and mixing.

I mean, in the beginning of the film, he's a big, somewhat robotic dude, no different from Jashugan, etc. When he gets his new body, he's basically Optimus Prime with Scorpion's special attack.

I would have loved to see him quoting Nietzsche and eating brains, though.

I'd even be cool with some half-finished cut scenes, like what we got with Avatar, for instance.

There isn’t really room for an extended cut, as everything is way over-plotted and forced to be interconnected that anything additional would feel just as extraneous as the street motorball sequence.

Still find that hard to swallow in 300 years nobody has. The argument someone made before that there was a super duper security in the ship keeping people away makes sense to me but I cant remember that actually being said just that they couldnt get in because it was underwater

See, I wish there was more stuff like the street motorball sequence to flesh out the characters and give us more time with them/allow them to talk through their motivations and other classic Anime shit like that.

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THE ALITABOT GALLY GF WAIFUS HAVE BEEN PERMANENTLY ADDED INTO THE MAINSTREAM COLLECTIVE SUBCONSCIOUS

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ROASTIES OUT (literally: very very loosely)
TIGHT CUNNM ALITABOT INNIES IN

ROASTIES ON MENOPAUSE WATCH
SUMMERS EVE AND VAGISIL STOCKS SKYROCKETING AS WE SPEAK

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Not sure what you mean with Avatar. Haven't seen it in years. Have the special extended cut (or something like that) lying around but didn't manage to watch yet.

300 years user

He's a mix of two characters in the manga. The one who had the most influence is Makaku, the outcast robot that lives in the sewer and steals bodies. His true form is a slug. This is referenced when Grewishka is repaired and is "core" wriggles a little bit like a worm. It's a minor detail but at least they tried to make a manga reference.

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Eh, I could see there being some security system that the kids don't know about because they just visit the ship to look at it, but that has killed scavengers in the past which is why no serious scrappers have touched it since. Even if there wasn't anything like that, there's a precedent for it remaining somewhat intact, as it is really no different from any old plane rotting in the jungle or any old shipwreck (which is what it's clearly meant to be, given Cameron's boner for exploring old shipwrecks)

How does she get a bf? Does she even have any fuck holes to use?

>Ray
don't talk shit about Amuro

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I just remember that Cameron filmed extra shit for the extended version in an attempt to retroactively fill in plot holes

There were a bunch of half-finished sequences from Avatar that we're left on the cutting room floor but added to the extended edition or whatever. It's not the first time Cameron has shot multiple unused scenes in expensive environments (take, for example, the other, unused ending for Titanic, which was also filmed on an expensive-ass ship.

Look. Hugo was fine with dying at that point. Alita didn't let him and he had to live with the consequences of his actions. So he tried to flee his reality by going to Zalem. She comes after him and tells him she'd stay with him and everything would be fine (unburdening him), right before he gets killed. The first 'death' is necessary, as he's okay with it and its denial breaks him, only for her to revive his spirit, fleshing out her character.

Why did Ido say she had a perfectly normal 17 years old brain and then acknowledged she has a 300 years old body? How come no character remarked the age doesn't match? They should either believe she's a young brain in an old machine or they should believe there is advanced technology involved that keeps her young forever. These are significant things to discuss. They just mention her impossible age (17 but also 300?) and promptly forget about it. I mean who the hell cares about rejuvenation and immortality, right.

The only flaws were all the parts that didn't have Alita on screen

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Her brain probably stopped developing (went into a state of stasis) after her body was destroyed and thrown on the scrapyard.

She's meant to interface with a body that self-repairs using nanotechnology as if it was the T-1000. In all likelihood the part that Ido found works no differently.

On the 2nd and 3rd rewatch, it's clear during all of his early interactions with her that he knew exactly what she was from the moment he first found her core and was keeping the truth from her so that she could find a new life as something other than a killing machine if she wanted to.

Those criticisms are dumb, the biggest problem are these shitty 2h length windows, leading to some parts of the plot not being as developed as they ought to be

>"I'm dying"
>"waaaaaaaaahhh dont leave meeee!"
20 minutes later
>"I'm dying"
>"waaaaaaaaaahhh dont leave meeee!

How many fucking times do I need to repeat myself?

Shit dialogue.
Hugo's actor but atleast we didn't get a nigger.

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Here's an attempt at fixing that plot hole. Make Hugo (or one of his friend) say something like this.

>"The command deck? You want to visit that? Oh no no no, there's a self-destruct sequence that activates if you enter that junk and don't input the right password. It happened with a lot of wrecks, people go in, then boom. It's how these things protect data. Nobody goes in command centers. Besides this one is underwater, thank god. It's why this is one of the last ships left intact. Less people snooping around. Hey where are you going?"

I know a magical self-destruct sequence is not most elegant answer but at least it tries to make sense, and the movie tried to hint that Alita had access to things other people didn't because she remembered password sequences.

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That plus the to be continued endings when the studio isnt already 100% committed to a sequel yet.

I was expecting the outside of the city to be an irradiated wasteland like in Dredd but it's just normal picturesque countryside. Thousands of acres of farmland and beyond that just beautiful wilderness. Why the fuck is Factory City the last city on earth? Everyone gravitated to Zalem after the war but in 300 years they could have spread out and rebuilt the whole country if not most of the planet. Factory City is clearly a shit place to live, and the farmers and land owners must live on huge estates outside the city so why aren't there small rural towns?

I would've been cool with them thinking they had already taken everything of value from the ship but then alita goes in and opens up secret areas

people in my theater laughed at Hugo's actual death

What's the point of including a rocket hammer if it's a hammer with a blow torch on the wrong side? It didn't feel propelled like a rocket at all. They really missed the point of a cool weapon design.

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She pressed a few buttons to deactivate a shield protecting the special body, I guess in their mind they did a great effort to explain it.

He really did look silly as a head and an arm falling in slow motion

The story was bad. You could tell within the first half that they where trying to fit in as many plot points as they could which then ruins the latter half when attempts at emotional scenes simply don't work because how little you are invested in them.

Ido being a bounty hunter. The serial killer. The idea that Grewishka not being registered is some big deal which leads to the cringe bouty hunter brothers and sisters scene. Alitas out of the blue devotion to Hugo. Then trying to add in robot ball and the war in on top of it all.

Movie would have worked a lot better if it had focused on the bounty hunter aspect and the serial killings. Have the serial killer fight at the end when he's had a chance to actual leave an impression and only hint at the "more to her than meets the eyes" stuff.

Christoph Waltz looked like an idiot running around with that thing

Would've been better to test the waters too. See if the movie is successful before giving us part 1 in a trilogy that'll never happen

Brainlet.

Weeb incel faggot

The first scene was alright, when he dragged it around in a briefcase and put it together just before a fight, and it was clear the weapon was impractical for combat in small alleys and it clipped through pipes and walls. The scene where he enter the bar holding the big toy hammer and he's like "excuse, hello, going through" now that is top cringe. They could easily have made that scene with the briefcase compact version. He never walked around carrying the thing, that's why he has the briefcase, but suddenly he shows up and he already has the big thing deployed and getting in the way clumsily, he can't go through a door without being bothered, less walk among a crowded bar. I don't know what they were thinking.

None of it, brainlet.

Of course. I am sure third-worlders would be fascinated by tech they didn't have, didn't understand, never saw used and would get them killed if they ever tried to use it...
...because 300 years.

People in Iron City are executed if they shoot a gun, try to fly, or do anything that could be a threat to Zalem. Fucking around with a military spaceship does not sound like a very good idea.

I know most movies create drama with miscommunication but the final scene with Hugo really takes the cake. Alita just had to say one thing
>If you climb that cable a giant ring of spikes will kill you, it's not a theory, I regained my memory, I literally saw it and it killed all my buddies
But instead she babbles incoherently about life and dreams, and my favorite.
>Don't you realize, it's exactly what Nova wants you to do!
Bitch he has no idea who that is.

>hey let’s talk about the flaws of alita
>alita shills: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Probably why the bad guys lured him there, user.

He would have responded with something like
>that was 300 years ago
>I still have to try
And the Nova thing is alright because she recently remembered his importance, so he's very prevalent in her mind at that point.

she was training with Michelle Rodriguez character and she probably got btfo at some point

Warcraft movie levels of bad, but the Warcraft movie could at least be forgiven in that you could tell that they weren't really trying all that hard. Alita was trying and it failed on so many levels that you could take its desiccated corpse and convert it into a multi-story car park. I left the cinema feeling personally responsible because I'd been hyping up this movie to my friends for weeks now, and there was a point where we genuinely considered walking out (I saw 6 people leave before we did).

Honestly there are so many plotholes, and contrivances, poor character development, (teleporting characters??) and bad writing ("I'm gonna carve you up and see if you're as ugly inside as all the others"HISSING SOUNDS), it would by easy for me to type up an entire post deconstructing this mess of a feature. It has cemented it for me beyond doubt that there really are just some things that cannot be translated competently from animation to film, especially the imagery of a tiny, middle-aged man dragging around a rocket-propelled war hammer.
Alita is never really at any real risk of danger throughout the course of the movie. She starts the movie OP and finishes the movie OP like your typical mary sue.

0/5. I completely understand why he handed it over to Rodriguez

She's shown to get btfo by Rodriguez' character.

i dont remember hearing 1 single quip. Only joke that i heard that i thought was meh" or whatever is when they cowboy dude made a comment about the big robot not being a dog lover

>more pasta
I really wonder who are the actual shills...

Yeah, it's clear from the sewer flashback that Gelda repeatedly kicked her ass during training, like Neo vs Morpheus in the construct. That's why she kept saying "Again!" every time Alita failed.

Hell, even in the flashback to the attack on Zalem, Alita wants to give up and Gelda tells her to snap out of it and focus on the task at hand.

>muh source material