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Documentary of the Century, thus far
Wyatt Peterson
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Daniel Clark
When director-producer Peter Jackson’s World War I film, “They Shall Not Grow Old,” which miraculously transforms grainy, choppy black-and-white archival footage from the war into a modern 3D color extravaganza, begins, he bombards us with the clichés used to ennoble war. Veterans, over background music, say things like “I wouldn’t have missed it,” “I would go through it all over again because I enjoyed the service life” and “It made me a man.” It must have taken some effort after the war to find the tiny minority of veterans willing to utter this rubbish. Military life is a form of servitude, prolonged exposure to combat leaves you broken, scarred for life by trauma and often so numb you have difficulty connecting with others, and the last thing war does is make you a man.
Brody Bennett
is this pasta or is this actually what some faggot journalist wrote about the movie
Ian Reed
>some metrosexual faggot journalist thinks he knows more about war than the fuckers that fought them
Christian Price
>some literal retard ignores the literal hundreds of hours of documentary audio from the few veterans alive that were still around in the 70s/80s/90s
Jace Morgan
Where can I watch it online?
Benjamin Harris
just go on tpb it's probably there
Julian Sanders
I saw it in the theatre the first time around. Great movie.
Justin Fisher
I finally got to see it yesterday. It was intense when they were talking about the siege. The entire theater was empty except for me and a friend, and 6-7 older guys who had to be in their 60's or 70's It's sad that this isn't more popular with people.
I really hope that the British government restores all of their archival footage in this way.
Jonathan Gonzalez
Saw it in IMAX yesterday, was pretty fucking moving and the interview bits about the soldiers facing apathy from the softies who stayed behind when they came home really drove home how WWI set the stage for Hitler, Mussolini, etc.
Also, the bits about how the Brits saw the Bavarians as brethren made me weep for what could have been in the 1940s if only England had listened to Mosley.
Jackson Sanchez
IMAGINE being as much of a sheltered pussy as the person who wrote this, pathetic.
Eli Evans
yeah, it was tragic to see how the Brits respected the Germans, and how both sides knew that this war wasn't worth fighting - tragic in relation to how war is now, and how eager people are to send troops to die in wars we have no business being in, and how dehumanized our views are about the "enemy".
The accounts of the siege paired with the images of the dead was gut-wrenching.
Nathan Peterson
I liked the OJ one more I think, but that had the advantage of being like 9 hours long.
Dylan Bennett
>watching a doc about some nigger for 9 hours
lmao
Ryan Morales
>he can't marathon a 9 hour docu
Easton Stewart
Why did they play back he unrestored footage at the wrong frame-rate? Bugged me.
Gavin Lopez
I marathoned this post ok
Josiah Smith
indeed
Luke Brown
as a comparison to the restored footage at the correct frame rate
marathon THIS *points to micropenis*
Juan Roberts
It's an OK to decent documentary. I'm guessing you don't watch many if you're prepared to make a statement such as that.
Tyler Rodriguez
can you kindly fuck off you larping retards
Ryan Gutierrez
feel free to list what you consider to be better. or don't, because you can't back up the bullshit you just said.
Jaxon Cruz
Nice tank footage.
Bentley Gray
Great transition.
Nathaniel Perez
i'm pretty sure a lot of vets miss the army because they felt useful and had found great comrades and friends, but not actually miss combat.
Ryan Jenkins
The over-use of frame-interpolation kills it.
They didn't need to do it, it's just pointless tech shit that makes everything with motion look like shit for "smoothness".
Leo Smith
I honestly found the coloring of the footage to be the least interesting part of the doc. Really enjoyed it though, watched it with my dad, theater was packed. Don't think it's the best doc of the century though
Brayden Carter
I first watched this part of a torrent I downloaded with a friend at my side and at the end he said "I just realized it transitioned into widescreen". I didn't notice until he mentioned it. It's such an engrossing experience.
Carter Powell
>feel free to list what you consider to be better.
First Kill
Best of Enemies
Film Worker
In the Shadow of the Moon
Cave of Forgotten Dreams (most of Herzog's documentaries are better than TSNGO)
West of Memphis (better Jackson doc)
The Act of Killing
Juan Reed
the image is just stretched to fit that aspect ratio, it's not actually widescreen
Evan Robinson
I know, but we didn't notice the transition to fullscreen
Nathan Collins
>They Shall Not Grow Old
>They do grow old
Walked out of the living room where I was watching this
Jokes aside, really great stuff
Gavin Wood
Fuck that's beautifully restored.
Colton Sanchez
>survive the war and make it back home to your shop
>some twat comes in and asks where have you been, working nights?
Brandon Taylor
>modern 3D color extravaganza
SEE WORLD WAR ONE THE WAY IT WAS MEANT TO BE!
FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT!
Camden Green
>Hinky Dinky
Gabriel Perez
this and Saving Private Ryan should be a required viewing for high school students worldwide. It would hopefully make people less eager to go to wars.
Kevin Young
you just KNOW the amounts of sóy he eats
Ian Cook
Saving Private Ryan the most pro war US army advertisement ever created?
Jackson Bell
>That guy on the right in the 2nd clip nervous and wondering if he just got himself into some wile e coyote shit
Brayden Kelly
>mfw watching Parade's End with Cucumberpatch and lads home from the war all start singing it at the end of the episode
Lincoln Martin
i want to watch this scene. anyone have a webm of it?
Henry Morris
Is that any good? It's always showing up on Netflix for me.
Easton Robinson
They all fucking die except for Ryan who isn't even really a main character because he's missing for the first two thirds of the film. Most of the characters die either unceremoniously or bleed out while begging for their mothers.
Isaiah Miller
That was probably the best part of the movie, along with the footage of all the shelling.
Mason Howard
When will they learn?
Connor Davis
it's an action and entertainment blockbuster with violins and sentimental music playing, the whole thing is a propaganda piece. use your fucking brain.
Henry Bell
Yes m8 it's excellent. Also check out To the ends of the Earth which is about the earliest ships to travel to the Australian colonies, also with Cumberpatch and Jared Harris as the pissed up captain.
Joseph Harris
lost interest in this when I found out it was mostly just training exercise footage, or even worse, CGI reconstructions
seems to be a slap in the face to audiences
hard pass from me dawg
Ryan Fisher
>he shall not grow tall
Hudson Perez
Low the scenes where the soldiers are just like fucking with each other, like they are at home and not in the trenches.
Thomas Watson
From the same guy that wrote "War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning", A 62 year old Presbyterian minister that spent decades as a war correspondent.
Jose Taylor
Anthony Reyes
just more shitty propaganda
rah rah rah kill kill kill rah rah rah money money money rah rah rah hate
FUCK the cunts who make this tripe
Jayden Richardson
>lol this guy must be a sheltered soi boi right guy? hahahaha only people like that hate war
>it turns out he's a veteran war correspondent who has spent his life living in warzones
Yea Forums incels irrevocably BTFO
Liam Sullivan
Kid was probably 14 or 15, meanwhile decades later you were playing pokemon and sheltered in some suburban life.
Jack Mitchell
>the whole thing is a propaganda piece
I don't dispute that part, but it was a "we good, them bad" propaganda piece. You called it a recruitment tool (US Army advertisement). Nobody would want to join the army after seeing that shit, it makes it look like nobody makes it back. Even Ryan lost all four of his brothers.
The film was actually more grim than reality. The reality of combat is that orders of magnitude more people are wounded, routed or captured than killed.
Eli Myers
Apparently Jackson & co gave the entire 100 hour archive the remaster treatment, but the only footage colorized was the material they used for the documentary
John Price
>commie website
opinion discarded
Isaac Jackson
He's also a total ideologue. So... it's a mixed bag.
Hunter Ward
>Nobody would want to join the army after seeing that shit
What are you basing that on? You're underestimating the mindset of aimless, poorly educated American men who have been brought up to believe war and fighting and death is glorious and right. No matter how brutal the war scenes depicted are, in the end the soldiers are still shown to be heroes and immortalized forever in glory. And it's all entertainment anyway. Doesn't matter how brutal the war scenes are, they're still sources of joy for the audiences, thanks to their warped perspective on violence.
Nathaniel Sanchez
He's absolutely right about war, but he's using the film as a flimsy platform to complain about it. Jackson's film was definitely not pro war and he knows it, he's just acting like it is for an excuse to write an outraged article.
Colton Robinson
Carson Bailey
kek
Andrew Roberts
Aiden Barnes
It's not real though.
Luke Miller
this
dishonest cunt Jackson CGI'd half this movie
it's a fucking parody of a documentary
Colton Stewart
explain or article plz
Charles Jackson
>Documentary of the Century, thus far
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Nicholas Fisher
He's not wrong. Military life really was a shitty cycle of servitude, begrudging tasks, and a dangerous hell. It sucked, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, and every day I was there I was counting down to when I could leave all of it behind.
I'd do it again though, I miss it. It may not have made me a "man," but it definitely made me a better person.
Julian Sanders
Actually many do in my experience. The quote given usually “it sucks but everything makes absolute sense in that moment”.
Wyatt Allen
Nah, this was just propaganda to pretend they didn't treat teddies like utter shit while the elites shopped for war contracts and stiffed supplying them
Free Solo has it beat and more impressive.
Also Ken Burn's Vietnam was way way better.
Jack Brown
thanks
Jaxson Morris
pretty much the same conclusion from the end of the documentary
Chase Miller
To the idiot who thinks saving private Ryan is a good example of anti war filmmaking, have you seen any actual anti war films? Films like stalingrad, Das boot, come and see, or jarhead?
Sebastian Walker
>no one has posted the song yet
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Angel Howard
>Hedges was an early critic of the Iraq War. In May 2003, Hedges delivered a commencement address at Rockford College in Rockford, Illinois, saying: "We are embarking on an occupation that, if history is any guide, will be as damaging to our souls as it will be to our prestige and power and security."[25] His speech was received with boos and his microphone was shut off three minutes after he began speaking
Do Americans really do this?
Tyler Rogers
Listen to this edgy faggot.
Wyatt Garcia
The title refers to the dead, you plonker.
Luis Phillips
>implying journalists don't have an agenda from the start
Landon Ramirez
>Also Ken Burn's Vietnam was way way better.
best Vietnam documentary without question is first kill
this user here mentioned it
Oliver Gray
>and his microphone was shut off three minutes after he began speaking
'free speech' my ass. Americans are sheltered pussies
Matthew Fisher
it's an amazing experience but as far as a "documentary" goes it's not good. There's no dates, locations, or anything that helps you understand the details of the war. I understand this was an artistic choice, but it did make the whole thing feel a bit shallow to me.
Josiah Martinez
They shut his mic off for 30 seconds so the school president could remind everyone the institution valued differing opinions, then they let him talk for an hour more until he finished.
Oh and the freedom of speech only prevents the government from prosecuting you.
Fuck off you fucking euroniggers/shitskins.
Jace Scott
Holy shit btfo
Ryan Morris
They say the mechanized the war, so what the hell are we marching for
Jayden Richardson
>In 2003, shortly after the war in Iraq began, Hedges was asked to give the commencement address at Rockford College in Rockford, Illinois. He told the graduating class "…we are embarking on an occupation that, if history is any guide, will be as damaging to our souls as it will be to our prestige, power and security." He went on to say that "This is a war of liberation in Iraq, but it is a war of liberation by Iraqis from American occupation." As he spoke, several hundred members of the audience began jeering and booing. His microphone was cut twice. Two young men rushed the stage to try to prevent him from speaking and Hedges had to cut short his address. He was escorted off campus by security officials before the diplomas were awarded. This event made national news and he became a lightning rod not only for right wing pundits and commentators, but also mainstream newspapers. The Wall Street Journal ran an editorial which denounced his anti-war stance and the The New York Times issued a formal reprimand, forbidding Hedges to speak about the war. The reprimand condemned his remarks as undermining the paper's impartiality. Hedges resigned shortly thereafter and became a senior fellow at the Nation Institute.
kill yourself
>Holy shit btfo
Owen Ramirez
>veteran war correspondent
>knowing better than soldiers from the first world war
Ayden Johnson
Cheers mate, I'll give it a go.
Chase Carter
Would have been better had they just given it a proper restoration and b&w color grading. The colorization was unnecessary and will show its age quickly.
Also the motion interpolation was horrible. In some cases it was bearable when the framerate was already close to 24 but there were so many times I just thought how unbelievably distracting the interpolation artifacts were. Who thought turning 11fps footage into 240fps slow mo on top of a 300% zoom in on the 8mm footage would be a good idea?
They should have also focused more on improving the audio quality of the interviews, too many times the interviews were impossible to hear behind the crummy audio, loud sfx added in post, and thick english accents. At the very least include subtitles.
Michael Cook
The banter was off the scale, the one thing which obviously kept them going.
Blake Wright
They should of just stuck with the interviews for audio..the annoying dub over "here mate nice cuppa" "hewwo mum" DURING anecdotes was annoying. Typical PJ over baking the cake.
Brody Sanchez
You guys think that since this was so well received Jackson and his people, or another team, will be given more money to continue this work? Imagine restoring French and German archived footage as well, holy shit.
Grayson Brooks
do you know who jonas salk was?
he was the jewish scientist that cured polio. he created the march of dimes to raise millions to fund his research.
polio was a crippling and deadly disease putting children all over the world into a wheelchair or an early grave. the vaccine for polio was one of the greatest medical achievements of the last century. its a globally essential medicine.
and this guy jonas salk?
he could have made billions from it. he could have patented it and made actual billions of dollars.
you know what he did? he waived the patent. he gave up billions just to make sure as many people who could be helped got the help they needed. he became a celeb after that even though he hated it. truly a great man and he left the world a better place than he came into it.
If I had a choice between polio existing in the USA/world and jews. I would choose polio every single time and twice on sundays. I would infect myself with polio and tour america spreading the disease in a custom built wheelchair or crutches if it meant all the jews and their influence were excised from my country like the cancer they are.
polio is nothing compared to the harmful effects of jews on the USA and world.I would give anything to live in a world where our biggest problem was building access ramps and compliance with the civil disabilities act.
that sounds like hyperbole. it is not. 100% authentic feelings. I cant sleep at night anymore. I wish I never started questioning things. I wish I was still a dumb rube out there able to laugh at things instead of a woke misanthrope. I envy the dumb.
Eli Turner
Peter Jackson did it for quite personal reasons because his grandfather fought for the British army - he also has a very large WW1 collection, especially aircraft. It'll be up to other countries if they want to restore their own footage I think.