WAs George Lucas bashing motivated by self interest?
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God Pegg is such a massive faggot. I'm glad he regrets it all now that Disney Wars is shit and KK actually used him as the butt of a joke in TFA.
>KK actually used him as the butt of a joke in TFA.
He only regrets it for that I bet and he realized he will never get to play in a SW movie again.
Yes. Disney jew cuck shills went back in time to shit on Ep I in 1999 so that Lucas would sell Star Wars in the future.
Why was Simon Pegg bashing Lucas in 2011 and 2012? 13 years after the release of TPM! Had he prior knowledge that George was considering selling his company but was still hesitant?
Yes. Disney jew cuck shills made him do it. It's all a conspiracy against you.
Don't forget his praise of the Plinkett review of the prequels.
I'm fucking cringing so hard. Christ.
So this is the type of person hating on TPM back in the day. Capeshitters. Literally people who were fans of literally who Marvel crap like Iron Man and Spiderman before the MCU or Raimi's films made them popular. Absolute shit taste.
>the audience knows Sheev is Sidious
Yeah that's the point retards. Fuck there is just so many dumb questions in this I wont even bother.
He was mistaken. I bet you are a kino connoisseur of the highest caliber, but at least Pegg wrote the best Star Trek of the Abrams universe.
>Star Trek
I'm cringing. Literally a commie propaganda show.
Not just any fans. Tom Root and Doug Goldstein are the guys who helped develop Robot Chicken.
>The television show Robot Chicken, which features animated action figures, sprung from Twisted ToyFare Theatre — quite literally, as former writer Tom Root is head writer for the show, along with fellow Twisted ToyFare Theatre alumnus Matthew Senreich.[1] Robot Chicken producer Seth Green is also an avid toy collector and was a long-time friend of the magazine. He wrote the introduction for one of the Twisted ToyFare Theatre collected editions.
Yes what a cocksucker
>thank you for your service, Pegg
>now you get to be in star wars!
You've got no idea how disappointing it was.
You only like it for nostalgic reasons.
>explaining the joke on the first page
That was in their reprint. The original didn't have that.
Imagine the humiliation
God I hate Seanbaby and Maddox and all these "oldschool" early internet comedians. They are all unfunny hacks. Even reading them back then I never thought they were that great.
I grew up with the OT on VHS. I saw TPM in theaters it became my favorite film in the saga instantly. I don't care if a bunch of Gen X manchildren had their headcanon BTFO'd. Phantom Menace is a great film. These fags just wanted more X Wings and Tie Fighters, and they got it with TFA. Look how these faggots praised that uncreative piece of shit. TFA was the true most disappointing film ever released.
God I just cannot wait until Gen X dies and we don't have to hear anymore of your bitching and nostalgia induced complaining. You are worse than the boomers in every aspect. Just fuck off you unwanted faggots. You need to be X'd out of history after you are gone. Shittest generation ever to grace this earth. The fucking generation to invent the manchild.
Ah this brings me back. Lame as fuck but that late-90s Kevin Smith-esque nerd culture is just as nostalgic as the movies to me.
what humiliation? wasn't his entire wish to be a completely unrecognizable cameo?
>I played in Star wars you know
>Wow really? Who were you
>Unkar Plutt
>Unkar who?
>The melting manpig on Jakuu
>...
the thing you millenial cucks dont know is that Ep I, II and III were generally liked when they came out
I remember people cheering when Yoda fought and was jumping all over the place
it wasnt until the plinkett review that reddittors made it hop to hate on the prequels
Phantom menace in 3D was the most fun I had in theatre in a long, long time though. I was in town visiting my parents, so my shithead friends from high school and I went at like 9PM on a Wednesday. We were the only ones in there and got to act like it was rifftrax
I remember people cheering in the theatre with Yoda as well. I attended all three PT films in theatres. I honestly didn't even hear any hate on the PT until late 2000's. RLM really is trying to rewrite history. Of course there were always a few butthurt nerds and pop culture jokes at the sillier parts, but overall they were liked.
>Mike mentions in his Plinkett review that he liked Star Trek
>thinks JJ should direct Star Wars
anyways buy our Star Trek merch
Yet he said this about Into Darkness without a hint of irony:
>It's asinine, you know? It's ridiculous. And frustrating, as well, because a lot of hard work and love went into that movie, and all JJ wanted to do was make a film that people really enjoyed. So, to be subject to that level of sort of, like, crass fucking ire, I just say ‘Fuck You’.
Rent-free
So you are admitting it's reddit shit?
SAY IT.
Kevin Smith is fine with the prequels, though.
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>Gen X the shittest generation ever to grace this earth. The fucking generation to invent the manchild
Definitely agree with this.
I dont get it? Is that a joke, he literally did that.
Is this moron self aware?
I don't know what the definition of that would be, but the whole point is that prequel hate was coming from a bunch of places where people who were born in the 1970's could bitch about how bad the prequels and unintentionally or intentionally control the narrative. RLM wasn't the first to do that. In fact Mike and Rich were born in the 70's, too. Jay was born in 1980, though.
based and redpilled.
To be honest, that's pretty based of him.
I like this video where some of the PT actors talk about how they are glad that a lot of people are reevaluating the PT now and it's getting some love from pop culture finally.
Why was he shilling for the PPL VS GEORGE LUCAS hit piece?
The humor is so forced.
least surprising thing I've read today
robot chicken is the worst thing put on television in the past twenty years
worse than american idol
You've got the advantage that you could identify with a squeaky kid. And still can by the sounds of it. Get the fuck off my lawn (something you'll never own) and find your own cultural products to obsess over snowflake.
I'M SORRY LUCAS
SAVE US FROM THE WHITE SLAVERS
I CAN'T TAKE THE BOARD BEING DOMINATED BY STAR SHIT FOR ANOTHER 3 MONTHS WHEN THE NEXT MOVIE COMES OUT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH
Don't know. Did he get interviewed in it or not? But it may be in support of an indie filmmaker? Because I've never really seen him complain about the prequels.
You know I actually liked Toyfare when I was a kid. But these actually aren’t funny. At all. I’m amazed Robot Chicken even happened
The PT was written for kids and I was a kid/teen when the PT released. George made the PT for me and kids my age. They are mine. Not yours. Take your OT and wank off over hero's journey for the millionth time Gen X'er. God knows you need it, as there are no heroes in your generation, just a bunch of losers desperately in need of something to aspire too. Not for us millennials though. No, the warning of the Hero's Downfall is much better and more interesting to us.
The PT is absolutely through and through for Millennials and it is culturally ours. I fucking love it.
They set it up like a joke. It seems like they were either criticizing him for doing that? But the whole thing is funny because later Simpsons is worse than Lucas prequels.
unironically laughing at yoda saying "Do the Dew!"
rest of this is godawful
By the time Revenge of the Sith came out, most of the main writers left to go work with Seth Green on Robot Chicken.
that's complete bullshit and you know it
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Yeah it feels really proto-reddit. I can feel the nerdrage asshurt behind the """jokes""".
There is no quality difference between the ROTS comic and the TPM comic. In fact the TPM one might even be worse. Fucking iron man attacking Valorum because he thinks he's some superman villain is cringe. The whole thing desperately tries to be funny but it's just thinly veiled butthurt and criticisms.
>criticizes the prequels for not being action-packed compared to the originals
What the fuck is this? If anything the OT is slow in comparison. Even Attack of the Clones is chock full of action setpieces. It's especially weird because the other jokes are on point.
>Fucking iron man attacking Valorum because he thinks he's some superman villain is cringe.
Why get mad at that one? The joke was just Valorum being played by the guy who played Zod in Superman II. The rest of the ranting in the comic is worth getting mad about, though.
See I'm not sure if this one is supposed to be a scathing shot at Lucas. Randal is being a dick and doesn't let Lucas finish his sentences while Lucas doesn't seem to be shown in a negative light like the Simpsons clip.
the point isn't whether the show agrees with Randall or not
the point is that people all over the place reacted to Ep. I the same way Randall did. It was the accepted opinion that Ep. I was a catastrophe that had disappointed everyone.
Oh really, I don't watch capeshit anyways I wouldn't know. I thought it was just a super cringey joke. Still, telling that it was capeshitters getting mad at the PT and no one else.
Capeshit is literally IQ lowering drivel. Superhero's are a low IQ concept for the masses. I like at the beginning of the ep, the only complaints everyone has is that George smartened up the series with space politics. Lisa even vocalizes that they want to get the plot of the way for more action, but is bored by the senate scenes.
Anyone who's not a brainlet and can understand politics though found the politics and senate scenes quite interesting. Also I thought the republic senate with all those floating platforms was a really cool location and I loved seeing all the alien races there represented in the republic. Honestly complaining about it feels nitpicky as fuck and low IQ as fuck.
>the point is that people all over the place reacted to Ep. I the same way Randall did. It was the accepted opinion that Ep. I was a catastrophe that had disappointed everyone.
No, I agree with that. In fact, I'm the one who posted all of the other stuff in this thread, the Toyfare pages, the K Thor/Seanbaby screencap, the Simpsons screencap.
I just feel like even though it was taking a jab at Lucas it didn't paint him as a horrible person like all the other examples.
>It's different when it's a film I worked on
>don't criticise people I'm friends with
What a dick.
Formerly prequels
>Oh really, I don't watch capeshit anyways I wouldn't know. I thought it was just a super cringey joke. Still, telling that it was capeshitters getting mad at the PT and no one else.
>Capeshit is literally IQ lowering drivel. Superhero's are a low IQ concept for the masses.
You're saying you understand jokes and superheroes about as well as all these other complainers understood the prequels?
Anakin was a great pilot in Ep1 though. Did they think the Podrace was just there for special effects. Is this the result of "just turn your brain off bro" retards? Anakin was a fucking god tier pilot to win that podrace. It's also shakespearian, the slave participating in the games of the elite to win his freedom.
And Ep 2 shows Yoda trains all the Jedi as younglings. So Yoda was Obi Wan's master before Qui Gon.
Cringe and zoomerpilled
One of the great things about the PT is it does actually work on multiple levels. As a kid, you have the kid stuff, and as an adult you get the political storyline that largely went over your head as a child.
Clerks was a pretty good-natured show, and probably the best thing Kevin Smith was ever involved with; I agree they're not gutting Lucas like a lot of others were.
Just posted it for the benefit of the lunatics trying to say the prequels had been well-received and that RLM were rewriting history. RLM were playing it EXTREMELY safe by shitting on the prequels; people HATED them. They're only being "re-evaluated" as the kids they were supposedly made for in the first place are growing into adulthood and excusing them since they never knew a world where they didn't exist.
do not fucking care for a second
star wars is stupid
just trying to set the record straight about the mainstream audience reaction at the time
Absolute cringe, gen x seethe humor.
It's funnier to read it in his voice though. Holy fuck, I cannot believe back in the 00's how many people were parroting what he said like as if he was God.
Be honest. Who here always liked the prequels but pretended not to once they found out it wasn't cool? I did.
>Just posted it for the benefit of the lunatics trying to say the prequels had been well-received and that RLM were rewriting history. RLM were playing it EXTREMELY safe by shitting on the prequels; people HATED them.
Yet no celeb has the balls to shit on nuwars although everybody hates it and it's failing hard at the BO
Never. I grew up with them. I was 12 in 2005 and going to see Episode III was one of the hypest moments I can remember along with going to the premiere of Spiderman 3. Pretty much everyone in my class all liked III too.
there were no political associations with Star Wars when the prequels came out
criticizing Nu-Wars is treated as equivalent to endorsing Trump/racism/"incels", and no one famous wants to be associated with those ideas.
loving Star Wars used to just make you a loser; now it makes you a terrorist.
Gen X manchildren are not a mainstream audience. Most normies and casual viewers did not dislike the PT. I remember my aunt and uncle being really into the PT and they are basically boomers. I remember my parents friends enjoying it. Note that none of them are major nerds or manchildren, all successful people with families. They just liked Star Wars as a fun movie, and liked the PT as something to bring kids too, and like said it was great in that it worked on both levels. Kids followed Anakin and Obi Wan. Adults were sitting there following Sheev. Also the fat OT obsessee's who were already seen as a joke and an embarrassment in popular culture hated on the PT. Back then it was not cool to be a nerd. If you were a nerd you were a faggot and were bullied. No one cared what gay nerds thought of the PT. It wasn't until "such a nerd XD" became cool in the late 2000's and RLM made their revisionist video's trying to claim it was mainstream and not nerdcore to hate the PT that we got this new wave of PT hate.
>everyone hated the prequels
>everyone but children hated the prequels
Wrong. Your particular bubble of 00's internet nerds hated the prequels. Don't mistake that for the world.
normal people did not like or care about the PT.
kids did, so maybe you're confusing your family humoring you as them enjoying it as well.
>No one cared what gay nerds thought of the PT.
No one except nerds and children cared about the PT, period. Not caring about something is *not* liking it.
Normal people cared and liked the PT in the same way they care and like any other blockbuster film that comes out. They enjoyed them and move on. The PT is absolutely enjoyable at any level. Only nerd faggots get held up on small details.
YIKES
You sure it sin't because Disney is a mega corporation that can literally blacklist you into nothingness if you trash their films?
The point is Randal is being a dick. Lucas doesn't get a word in edgewise and isn't really shown negatively, which is vastly different from:
>Lucas/Randall Curtis is as short as Bart and Lisa, and is out of touch with everyone and decides to go back to lifting from samurai films and westerns!
>Lucas is going to deliberately make the prequels worse!
>early 2000's: For the crime of creating Episode 1, we shall forever refer to George Lucas as Dr. Hitler!
>2014: Lucas is shitty and stupid!
>George Lucas is a fool and the people following him are more foolish!
They liked it enough to see Ep 2 and 3, with the same percentage viewer drop off fro TPM to AOTC as ESB had from ANH.
People took their kids, they enjoyed the action and special effects. They weren't autistic about midiclorians and they liked the art, graphics, special effects and designs. The hate on the PT was purely from nerd culture and no one took nerd culture seriously back then. You were a joke. You are still a joke. Normies just though PT was a cool blockbuster to enjoy. They didn't love it, but they didn't hate it either. Same could be said to how they consume the MCU and other capeshit trash.
The nerd faggots hating the PT, are the same kinda nerd faggots who hate on Snyders films for attempting to make superheroes actually interesting and put depth into it. Fucking dumbass nerds want everything to be black and white simple dumb self insert power fantasies.
again, star wars is stupid shit for children and nerds
the nerds didn't like it and the normies didn't like it (it's fucking boring, and I was there hearing them complain about sitting through them for their kids sake.) People who were kids when the prequels came out are the only people who genuinely like them. You continue to confuse passively not caring about something with enjoying something.
agreed, that probably plays a part in it as well, but their power is waning fast
not reading this, because pretending you have any cognitive ability is waste of time
I don't give a shit about star wars or about your feelings
Wait that was him?!??!
Speaking of Kevin Smith, Clerks, and the prequels:
I've met multiple people who were adults when they came out and liked them. But go on pretending those people don't exist, as long as it's convenient to your worldview,
Why would he regret calling the previous movies shit just because the current ones are also shit?
ok
I liked them when I was a kid, then growing up I enjoyed making fun of them, but they always had a special place in my heart. Besides, Battlefront wouldn't have happened without them and that game was my childhood
Wasn't he in tears over Millennium Falcon in TFA? Real Star Wars was finally back or something?
That's not an answer.
>Not liking Star Wars 15 years ago
BRAVO HAHA SO FUNNY
>Not liking Star Wars in 2019
WTF YOU ARE SEXIST AND RACIST! THESE MOVIES ARE AMAZING. GO BACK TO YOUR BASEMENT YOU INCEL.
Well he's sure not going to trash a movie that he was in.
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Like the other user said, I've met plenty of people who were adults when the PT was released and they liked them. I heard my boomer aunty passionately defending the PT and saying they are really great movies, and saying she loves sitting through them with her kids.
Keep pretending your little nerd circle is the world though faggot. I saw hot women walking around in France with fucking PT era Obi Wan shirts on.
It was a smear campaign against the Man who opposed Hollywood
>90 page document
>Lucas has all the good ideas
>the hat, the jacket, the whip all Lucas
>Lucas suggests Ford for the role, despite what the articles always state
>Kasdan blatters on about how Indy should use the whip to grab beer from the fridge
>Spielberg suggests Burt Reynolds and Mikhail Baryshnikov for Indiana Jones
Yet, this is the only piece of the conference people drag out.
nobody I know, including me, cares about star wars
but seriously, you're wrong, I was there, seeing everyone around me shit on these stupid boring kids movies, and I don't care what you THINK happened. bye bye
Every time I see the shills come out to shit on George, I have to wonder: What does Disney have to gain from demonizing George so much? What do they get out of attempting to ruin this man's legacy?
Then it hits me: They've been doing this for years. Think about it. All that hatred of George Lucas? All those bad reviews of the prequels? Disney has been behind it all. They've been slowly getting people to hate George and his vision of Star Wars because they want to tarnish his name. They're so jealous of his success that they want the whole world to hate the Star Wars prequels, simply because they're unlike anything Hollywood had ever seen at the time. Think about it: How come, in every video you watch of the premier of Episode 1, everyone comes out praising it and talking about how good it was, yet shills will tell you that everyone "always" hated the prequels? They're trying to force their revisionist history upon us because, deep down, the Mouse knows that it can never release something as genuine and brilliant as the prequels. What do they hope to accomplish from this? The destruction of the Star Wars name as a whole. After decades of hatred from "fans" and paid critics, George finally gave up. He decided to sell the Star Wars IP, because of how much it was ruining his life. And guess who was already waiting at the door, pen and legally-binding contract in hand? Disney. This was their plan all along, see: Disney already controls a good majority of the entertainment industry, so what do they have to gain from buying Star Wars? Well, let me ask you this: Why would they get rid of decades of lore and world-building, just to release a mediocre remake of ANH and then a god-awful sequel? Disney doesn't actually care about releasing a good Star Wars film, they just want it so they can destroy it. A simple case of "If I can't have it, no one can." They've been playing this game for years, and it looks like they've finally won.
Game over, George. Game over, Star Wars.
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>But keep that Jake Lloyd puppet. That thing looksh--
That also reminds me, remember the Newsweek guy who reported on Jake Lloyd being nicknamed Mannequin Skywalker? And got an angry letter from Ron Howard? And then wrote this article for Slate where he seemed unrepentant about the whole thing?
Perhaps it has something to do with today's dipshits raging about the new ones mysteriously finding little issue with the prequels, in fact often explicitly talking about them favorably.
Maybe Americans just have bad taste.
>One of My First Journalism Assignments Was About Phantom Menace—and It Made Ron Howard Hate Me
>By Seth Stevenson
>The flood of hopes and fears unleashed by recent Star Wars: Episode VII trailers has me nostalgic for the salad days of Star Wars: Episode I hype. When I began working for Newsweek in January 1999, my very first assignment was to write a roundup of Phantom Menace buzz. The trailer had debuted a couple months before, the movie was coming out in May, and excitement was off the charts.
>The short piece I wrote laid out some of the concerns Star Wars superfans harbored in advance of the film’s release. There were worries it would rely too much on cheesy CGI. People fretted that the tone of the trailer seemed way too upbeat, not dark enough. Skeptics pointed at George Lucas’ less-than-reassuring track record since the first trilogy: He’d produced Howard the Duck and Willow, and hadn’t directed a film in 22 years.
>I also repeated rumors that 9-year-old Jake Lloyd, who was playing Anakin Sywalker, couldn’t act. I noted that he’d received the nickname “Mannequin Skywalker.”
>This last bit stuck in the craw of a certain Hollywood macher. Within days, actor/director Ron Howard sent a letter to my editor complaining about the item. “While your ‘Buzz Wars, Episode One’ piece was generally snide and insipid,” wrote Howard, “the pot shot [sic] at nine year old Jake Lloyd was down right [sic] irresponsible … As someone who was acting professionally at an early age, I can assure you that nine-year-old Jake is quite capable of reading, understanding, and feeling the full humiliation of a piece like that.” Howard also offered a mini-review of The Phantom Menace, as he’d seen an early version: “[I]n my opinion, Jake Lloyd is terrific in the film (which, by the way, is truly amazing).”
> Newsweek ran the letter under the headline “Pick On Someone Your Own Size.” My editor had my back. But I noticed just a smidge of extra scrutiny given to the next few things I wrote. Getting shade from Opie was a bumpy way to start a job.
>A few months later, along with several Newsweek colleagues, I went to an advance screening of The Phantom Menace in a grand old cinema with a huge balcony. The place was packed to the rafters with journalists, VIPs, and contest winners. We were fully primed to get our minds blown. When the movie ended, there was all-around good cheer and raucous applause.
>I didn’t get it. I thought the film suffered from every single flaw that fans had anticipated: It had cheesy CGI, was too sunny, and George Lucas seemed totally out of touch. I also thought Jake Lloyd, kid or not, was a putrid actor. Over time, most of you have come to agree with me.
>Post-script: Jake Lloyd swore never to act again, reportedly destroyed all of his personal Star Wars memorabilia, and was last seen this summer being arrested after leading police on a 117 mph car chase. George Lucas was roundly criticized for the shoddiness of the second Star Wars trilogy and also for the weird racism in it. Ron Howard soon after directed the 2000 meh-fest How The Grinch Stole Christmas. I quit Newsweek the following year and came back to Slate. The Phantom Menace remains among the top 20 highest-grossing movies in history and also among the most weirdly racist ones.
Everyone's well aware of the problems with the Prequels at this point. The question now is whether they're at all good movies, despite that all. No one's going to claim the CGI has aged well, or some of the acting isn't awkward. The discussion has moved on from that.
Which one of you is this
If everyone's well aware of the problems with the prequels why are you literally suggesting it's possible they're good movies when it's self evident that they're a failure on just about every level besides visual? Your two reasons they MIGHT not be good is the fucking incredible CGI and the acting. The acting may be shit but if you actually think that's a good sampling of the problems you have no business discussing film at all.
Remember that Lucas wanted Talon in episode VII And you could have it all
My empire of dirt
This. 100% this.
I will also note that I also saw all the documentaries on the first screenings of TPM and the other PT films. People came out of the theater's hyped and saying it was amazing. It truly is revisionism and a small circle of butthurt nerds and corporate interest trying to hate on the PT.
Wew what's the source on this, is there uncensored Sith titties out there somewhere? Based George.
In the early concepts you can see her
They aren't a failure on every level. People just nitpick them on every level.
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2. Kys
3. Lucas has always been anti hollywood if it wasnt disney than at the very least it was hollywood trashing the biggest creator not in bed with them.
I love being a prequel generation fan
I love that we're getting the new CW season
I love life, man
I really hope that they stick to the old scripts and don't change or dumb things down and hold it to Disney's fucking kid friendly standards. Clone Wars is kino.
I really wish George had just waited till season 8 was done before selling it. It hurts that it was killed so close to finishing anyways. After S6 is finished completely. I don't trust the hacks there to be able to write out S7 an S8 how it was meant to be, and how it would be under Lucas. My only hope is because it's PT era, maybe it will escape KK and the story group because they seem to only care about the OT and the ST.
The Sneedsons really are Family Guy tier
Yeah I nearly fell asleep when I finally watched the OT, fuck especially all the Luke/Yoda scenes in TESB which is why I am astounded when that movie is hailed as the best one.
Another thing about that episode: It was aired March 2004, so like five years after Phantom Menace. This wouldn't have been a problem if they didn't date the episode by having Homer and Marge watch the Lizzie McGuire Movie.
Everytime I see a phoneposter, I wonder why he hasn't killed himself yet.
Clone Wars is very kids friendly.
The movie was about a Hutt baby that makes poopoo jokes.
Got better as it went along. It starts out following characters who are not veterans, they don't act war weary and adult yet. They are still innocent.
Also Lucas has always been a hardcore leftist who hates MAGA turds like you.
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True. Ahsoka has seen some shit.
Oh......ooh my......oooh my oh my.
WOW....
The episodes were already made and voiced so I think there's only 99.9% chance of them changing shit. But yeah, I agree. We can only hope one day the truth comes out.
Why do i give a fuck about georgies politics i love his films. Kys you obsessed wretch
What I'd like to know is, what happens if someone does a parody of that but instead of the prequels and Lucas it's the Simpsons and its writers?
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some ambitious/sellout people were smelling the coffee way back then, tho, anticipating the all-out systematic commercialization of nerd culture and wanting to be in it early started to play pretend games, parroting nerd opinions they had read online.
Patrician
This doesn't make Pegg a hypocrite, and I doubt he cares anyone dug these up. The prequels are bad movies, and you'd have to be a drooling nostalgiafag to defend them. But at least they're imaginative and have one solid vision. That's why Pegg said he missed Lucas. In the end he would rather have a bad but consistent trilogy than a bland mess. No matter how much I think Abrams and Rian suck, it'd probably be better if one of them was in charge of the whole trilogy.
Please go to another board, you clearly don't know anything about film so what's the point in trying to discuss it?
Lol
>muh Jar Jar is the WORST THING EVER
>No matter how much I think Abrams and Rian suck, it'd probably be better if one of them was in charge of the whole trilogy.
They are the reason why it sucks so bad. KYS
which is worse, Attack of the Clones or The Last Jedi?
The Force Awakens,
>you'd have to be a drooling nostalgiafag to defend them
extremely accurate
>a film can only be good if it follows my Joseph Campbell archtypes
Please, go wank off over the monomyth elsewhere faggot.
You notice the main difference between OT fags and PT fags, is OT fags find things they hate about Star Wars and make them popular, endlessly whine about Ewoks, Jar Jar etc and are just full of criticism. The few OT fans who like the universe and got into things like Boba Fett got really shit on by the majority of OT fans. OT fags don't even consider the deleted scene of Boba crawling out of the Sarlacc canon.
Yet with PT fans, instead of finding things to hate and pick on. They find things to love. PT memes include Sheev posting, talking about all the fun games the EU brought, repeating funny lines from the movie like "the techno union *techno beeps play* is at your disposal count." The PT fans love the world and the universe, not just the characters and delving into the EU is greatly encouraged. The Darth Plagueus the wise speech is treasured and it's literally the "villain" talking fondly about an """evil""" sith lord and manipulating a Jedi "hero".
The Force Awakens is the worst Star Wars film. The Last Jedi is the second worst, but Ep 9, being under JJ again is probably going to be worse than TLJ. Dunno if it will top TFA though.
>watch movie
>thoroughly enjoy the expertly crafted audio visual experience
>cuck to another person's standards of what makes a good movie such as "muh script" and convince yourself that enjoyment you had was infact not real
Don't be a filmcuck, lads.
Kino
The last jedi and force awakened tied.
this fucking thread
maybe liberals are right about star wars fans
>tweet from 2012 has a BB8 in it
How did this happen?
Because the screencapture was after 2015 and i guess twitter automatically added BB8 next to the starwars hashtag
The Last Jedi
>PT memes include Sheev posting, talking about all the fun games the EU brought, repeating funny lines from the movie like "the techno union *techno beeps play* is at your disposal count."
This is reddit as fuck. Go back to /r/prequelmemes.
Nu wars is worse than bland. Its so bad and filled with plot wholes and character assassination it retroactively ruins the rest of the saga.
The concept art was done when there was no script and the concept artists were just throwing shit at the wall hoping something will stick when JJ come to cherry pick it for ideas. They also did the Anakin ghost thing, when it was part of no one's plan.
And the did pic related.
A tourist outs himself
Yeah I guess liking things is reddit. Hate on my gen x'er. I hate everything I call myself a fan off.
Fucking cancer.
Except George plan was of her chasing the original white Finn
>i like star wars
Mike should direct his own snuff film, and cast himself as the leading man.
>having fun is reddit
Some concepts were stupidly bad. they were obsessed with the death star
AotC
right answer
even despite Last Jedi being nauseating garbage
Plebs.
AOTC is leagues better than anything Disney has done. Not even R1 comes close to it.
That's just how concept artists work though. Watch the BTS of when they came up with Grievous' designs, there is some wild shit being thrown around like a cyborg toddler and a Gigeresque monster.
So how did aotc retroactively fuck up the entire saga like TFA and TLJ? Ill wait
what a fucking retard
Finn didn't belong in George story, it's an invention from Kasdan after they ditch his treatments. Nobody really knows what was the original story. You can't make conclusions from the artwork because we can only rely on what Disney decided to release and the fact that some artwork was from when they ditch his cript and some before but we don't know.
50% of AotC is people walking down hallways while talking.
Man, the concept art has just gone to shit. At east it was hand drawn in the old days. Now it, just some stiff rendered shit. And it's by Church and Doug Chiang who used to draw stuff by hand when working on the prequels.
Every terrible movie "retroactively fucks up the entire saga".
yeah, you will, boomer nerd
I enjoy the Preqels, and don't particularly like TLJ, but AotC, as a single movie, is the worst one in the saga
The problem is that KK gave them no direction, she only asked, draw some SW shit and we'll make a movie. That's not how filmmaking work. That' glorified secretary never learned a thing despite working for her husband for 40 years
AotC ruined Anakin. He was supposed to be a tragic hero but the movie turned him into a whiny brat who bitches about Obi-Wan all the time.
But bro what if we had machines that could make anything we needed out of anything else then communism would be real lmao
Yet it was still better received than tLJ and star wars was going at its strongest with all facets of star wars booming. Now the video game branch is dead, the toys rot on the shelves and the books/comics are dying. Your opinion is your own but objectively AotC is a better film and is much more cherished.
>cyberpunk coruscant at night
>speeder chase
>deathstick bar
>jango vs obi fist fight
>clone army
>asteroid bombs
>beast fight
>jedi gladiator area
>battle of geonosis
>dooku
Yeah I'm sorry but getting to see an X wing in theaters again doesn't hold a candle to all this. Get fucked nostalgia fag.
Is there an actual pdf/cbr of this book somewhere? I found the TLJ one rather easily, but this one seems a bitch to track.e
Even hardware has stupid-ass concept art that has no hope of making off the drawing board.
Damn look at this faggot who's never had a girl before
You judge a film's quality by how good its merch and spin-offs are?
>ooh, pretty lights, good movie
get lost, dumbass
what a faggot
Every prequel film is leagues better than any Disneywars film.
Even if you consider it George's worst film, it's better than Disney's best by a long shot.
based
AotC has gorgeous aesthetics but a shit tier script.
I love Kamino and Geonosis but they deserved a better story.
>Gen X needs to be X'd out of history
Savage as fuck, made funnier because you're the only person who cares enough about Gen X to insult them
Seething retard.
Its almost as if they were very poorly received and have killed star wars. Brand vitality and consumer confidence are terms you should look up. PS never get into business.
Nobody even said that you bitter shill
>judging a film's quality by its profits
So this is what happens when children grow up on soulless corporate drivel.
Based
>stop insulting my space ninja movies
only thing stupider than being into star wars at all is putting this kind of effort into defending them to strangers
I really hope you don't have legs or something and can't do normal stuff so that you have an excuse for being like this
>it was the plot and characters that made star wars good
No, it wasn't. It was the special effects. It was always the special effects and cinematography. It has never been anything but the special effects and cinematography. The entire reason why the newest Star Wars movies suck is because they care too much about story and plot and not enough about spectacle.
Based retard
His film history consists principally of playing literal man-children stuck in arrested development and slapstick humor. No, he's not self aware in the least.
This line of thinking is exactly what JJ and KennedyFilm believe and its why star wars is tanking
Judging a film my merch sales is better than going by box office.
Box office is too influenced by misleading trailers, false advertising and too much influence from the previous film and just general hype. Merch sales is stuff that happens after the film has already been seen and digested. If they truly liked it, they buy merch. You don't buy merch of shit you don't care about. Which is why ST is failing hard but the PT did very well with merch.
Exactly.
None of the NuWars movies have a proper battle
Starkiller battle is just a sped-up trench run and salt planet battle is over in the blink of an eye (also very small scale)
I don't know what the fuck Disney was thinking
How about judging the film itself?
To recap this conversation
>user A: "Film X is bad"
>user B: "Wrong! It made money!"
What the fuck
Thanks, bro.
music and costumes were good too
but you're pretty much right
>”Yeah I guess liking things is reddit.”
If you like things like the way you’ve described it, then yeah it is. You’ve made PTfags sound like capeshitters. Also, nice reddit spacing there my zoomer.
>To recap this conversation
>>user A: "Film X is bad"
>>user B: "Wrong! It made money!"
Don't the Disney Sequel defenders defend them by using that argument too?
Judging the the film itself is also good, but you can only find out what your own opinion is by doing that. Not the mass opinions of others.
If you think Star Wars has a deep story then you need to watch more films
>explains why new star wars suck
>"yeah, that's why the new star wars suck, retard!"
brainlet
>Hayden's wooden line delivery
>cringe inducing romance scenes
>I murdered them!
AotC would have been a perfect film if Anakin and Padme weren't in it, I agree
Why care about the opinions of the "masses" though? Unless it's your job, like PR etc.
The OT has a shallow story and shallow lore, the PT had a middling story with deep lore.
>Disney Sequel defenders and PT defenders are the same kind of people
Pottery. Based Lucas does it again.
I wouldn't know, I don't think I've ever met one online or irl.
>relies on other people's opinions to decide what he "thinks"
>wooden hayden
Meme opinion. Disregarding your post. I can tell you haven't seen the film since 2002 and are just regurgitating shit. You wanted Anakin to be a total badass and got upset he was "whining" and started calling him wooden because you didn't have the intelligence to realize he was emotionally repressed and stunted by the Jedi order.
People enjoyed the characters, settings, story and themes they were simple but very timeless all the same. That is what seperates Lucas Star Wars from Disney Star Wars. JJ even said that he thinks all people cared about are the lasers, lightsabres and x wings and look where we are now.
Because we are arguing that the PT was in fact liked by most outside of nerd circles in this thread.
>defending fucking haydn christensen
whhhhhoooooooooaaaaaaaaaa buddy
What scene in AotC shows us that he is being repressed and stunted by the Order?
Or is that something you pull out of secondary material like EU books?
Then what's the sequel trilogy?
>actually because he's a drooling retard
Well that's just plain wrong, nobody cared for the PT after Phantom Menace.
Normies were into LOTR instead.
no story, no lore
He's a good actor who even made sure that his voice cadence and tone matched James Earl Jone's Vader. See I can tell you are a low IQ idiot who thinks an actor dictates how a role is. No he just does what the director tells him too. George envisioned Anakin to be like that. Hayden even says initially he struggled with the role as he wanted to be more emotive, but George reigned him in to be more restrained.
Wrong. It was the story
Middling story but lore as shallow as a puddle.
>herf derf New Republic threw away all their weapons and ships
I'm still mad at this shit, how can you fuck up the new canon this fast and this hard?
100% accurate
only idiots don't understand this
Jesus christ. Do you have autism? Are you seriously unable to read someone? Do you need things spelled out for you. It's not from the EU it's from AOTC and ROTS and it's obvious as fuck to anyone with a functioning brain.
Christ I am wasting my time arguing with people actually on the fucking spectrum here. No wonder you fags can't like anymore more than self inserts.
its right in TPM and AoTC you fucking mongoloid
You're wrong. The new movies are overly focused on dialogue between boring fucking characters. There's not enough space battles (or battles in general), the light saber duels are four steps backwards, and the set-pieces that do exists always take a fifth-row backseat to some boring ass character interaction. When they do bother to show a proper sequences, it's too busy being interrupted by other shit. They absolutely have no idea how to handle spectacle without it becoming the film equivalent of some idiot from 10 years ago screeching
>EPIC FOR TEH LULZ WINRAR 9,001 INTERNETS
because someone posted a macroimage.
None of this even begins to address the fucking terrible cinematography. JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson only know how to make two kinds of shots
>a characters face fills the entire screen for INTENSE EMOTIONAL IMPACT that almost always falls flat
>a wide shot of an action sequence that highlights absolutely none of the action and is barely more than a wide-angle still shot, that may make a sudden cut to focus on one thing too much that takes the rest of the action out of the scene
It's like they were too busy trying to create their literal mental image of the scene without realizing they had to make it interesting to people that weren't psychics.
It was never the story.
>who even made sure that his voice cadence and tone matched James Earl Jone's Vader.
By doing a fairly nasal and high-pitched voice? Whut?
you sound like someone trying to explain why he "lets" his girlfriend cheat on him
you sound like a mental patient
The audience drop off from TPM to AOTC is about the same from drop off between ANH and ESB.
So no. People were as invested in the PT and the OT.
So what scene shows that (inner) conflict?
Yeah that disney mom one of the dumbest fucking shills ive ever encountered
Yeah autism confirmed.
Seething autist confirmed mad he will never be able to understand most cinema. Stick to your capeshit faggot.
If you think Yoda's lecture about fear is "repressing" Anakin, you are seriously missing the point of SW's entire philosophy.
Actually faggot, I rewatch them all at least twice a year. Also cockharvester, I specified line delivery, because Hayden's physical acting is some of the best in the series. He is able to convey so much emotion and passion with his face and actions.
Yes the sequels are dogshit but that doesnt disclude the fact that people loved the story, characters, themes and setting of the OT and PT. Just because a story is simple does not make it bad.
Every scene he's in. I don't have to name one, it's all of them you fucking spastic autist. Christ. There is no doubt in my mind that you have cognitive deficiencies.
No wonder you fags didn't like the PT, you had autism and couldn't get all the subtleties.
Not being able to distinguish between two obviously different voices is a sign of mental illness.
what the fuck does this even mean
>you'll never understand real cinema!
is referring to the Star Wars prequels
It's the weirdest thing for me, I swear. Like, I get they draw ships and shit, cause they want to get ahead and you know there will be ships in a SW movie, but just deciding to draw what are basically plot points for a movie you don't now what's going to be about is crazy. For example, they drew what Anakin's ghost would look like and thinking
>yeah, JJ is gonna pick that up and run with it.
What's their jurisdiction? If I was the director I'd be kind of pissed that they assumed they can just develop plot points.
The British tv show Spaced written by and staring Simon Pegg absolutley slated the phantom menace when it came out.
Show me one scene.
Pro tip: you can't, because you're a deranged mongrel who doesn't know how screenwriting works.
The story is not what made Star Wars famous or a timeless classic, no matter what anyone suggests. There's literally tens of thousands of stories exactly like Star Wars that exist. It was the special effects and cinematography; it was the aesthetics of science fantasy that were made to look believable and engaging. The argument you're making doesn't prove anything except that the story didn't get in the way - unlike the newest stuff, where the story absolutely does get in the way by being pretentious and overbearing, instead of being simple, easily-digestible, and secondary to the spectacle.
Dont forget the MASSIVE 2nd week surge from the positive word of mouth for RotS. Compare that to the largest 2nd week drop in cinema history for TLJ due ti negative word of mouth.
Why do you people think it's an either/or situation, wouldn't it be both?
>The audience drop off from TPM to AOTC is about the same from drop off between ANH and ESB.
You can't compare ANH's BO numbers to TPM's.
How old were you back then?
Everyone was into LOTR, Star Wars was the unpopular thing to be into.
Dude leaves his mom forever and then is told not to love? Is burdended with the knowledge that hes the chosen one and thats the only reason he's in the jedi order to begin with? Fuck off man you truely are a fool.
never seen a retard meltdown this severe
this is incredible
there's nothing special in realizing the sequels were garbage. I just can't believe how stupid someone would have to be to genuinely like the prequels. Even liking the OT is only okay if you were a kid when you first saw them, but this cuck's talking about these shitshows like they're real movies
Anakin first meeting padme
Anakin arguign with obi wan in her apartment
Anakin talking to padme after the rescue
Anakin talking to padme on the freighter
anakin and padme having dinner
anakin and padme arriving on naboo
anakin and padme in the fields
anakin and padme sexy nighttime
anakin meeting owen
anakin killing the sand troooers
anakin telling padme he killed the troopers
anakin on the gunship screaming to turn around to save padme even int he presence of obi wan
Christ. It's literally every scene he's in you fucking spastic. Read between the lines.
Go find one place where I said the story was bad. Go on. Here's everything I've written in the reply chain
Find a single spot where I said it was bad. Find a single spot where I implied it was bad.
I said that the story isn't what made Star Wars. It was the special effects and the cinematography. You're literally putting words in my mouth.
Because, again, there's tens of thousands of stories exactly like Star Wars that never get it's level of fame or love. The thing that set Star Wars apart, especially when the OT was released, was the special effects and the cinematography. The thing that sets the setting of Star Wars apart is the aesthetic that lends itself (what used to be) a unique visual styling.
In this case, it simply isn't both. I'm not trying to say that the story was bad or even uninteresting. I'm only saying that the story isn't what made Star Wars a cultural monolith, no matter what anyone thinks.
the blu-rays came out in 2011 with all new changes that reignited the anger for a lot of people
The centerpiece of Jedi philosophy is the ability to let go of bonds and possessions, because when you possess something, you'll eventually want more and more of it, which leads to greed and dark thoughts.
You can love someone without possessing them but Anakin didn't understand that.
complete bullshit, see LotR was popular but so was the PT.
The biggest meltdown in the thread is you. BTW you are replying to multiple people not just one.
How old were you then?
It wasn't popular to be a Star Wars fans at all. It wasn't even remotely comparable to the Rings hype.
Hayden's acting is actually very good. The dialogue is bad in parts but he plays the nuances of his character perfectly.
then you all should be ashamed of yourselves
you need other shit to worry about
this thread is a disgrace
You didn't understand the PT is criticizing the Jedi and explaining how and why they fell.
Guy saying its the story here. Yes i believe the effects played a major part in its inital success however its legacy and why people love it and the story. The effects are dated yet people still love it, do you think infinity war or avatar will have the lasting legacy as star wars considering both had groundbreaking (at least Thanos) effects for their time?
>Anakin first meeting padme
The Order isn't referenced at all in this scene nor is Anakin's views/feelings on it.
I hate this meme.
Bingo!
It's all in his acting, based moron
>this whole thread
I'm 25 and didn't watch Star Wars until 2005 when I watched all 6 at once. Were people really that autistic over a bunch of children's films since the late 90s? OTfags really need to be gassed.
I was 10 when AOTC hit. LotR was a competitor in hype for sure, but it didn't knock Star Wars out. People talked about SW more than LOTR in school. Thought there was a LOTR crowd, there was a bigger SW PT crowd.
>I hate this fact
Even Plinkett admits he's a good actor with bad material
I don't think it is, but you can interpret it that way I guess. imho they did nothing wrong and it's Anakin's fault for not understanding them
Yeah you really are autistic and need things spelled out for you don't you.
Not the same guy but it was clearly obvious he was. You should probably stick to capeshit.
hahaha wait people actually give a fuck about star wars???? hahahhahaha
>he acts like a whiny bitch because of things that are never mentioned or shown in the film but I know it from EU books
OK retard.
What I really hate about the fandom at the minute is this OT vs PT bullshit. I love both, and the characters and world of both. The PT clearly expands on what George wanted from the OT, and shows how he is a master story teller.
Yes they really were. Gen X was the first gen to have manchildren. And the PT was the first time we ever saw manchildren get pissed off and have a nerd rage fit. It's fucking pathetic. OT fags are an absolute joke. I mean I like the OT, it's cool as fuck. But obsessive fans of the OT are pathetic.
I haven't seen capeshit since 2008.
People are being autistic over a bunch of childen's films in 2019. see: NuWars
It's both embarrassing and insulting. I can't believe that I breathe the same oxygen as them.
It's not up for you to decide. George's whole intention was to show a decaying corrupt society, a decadent Jedi order and show why the Empire happened in the first place. He set out to show that the Jedi were wrong. Anakin was not wrong.
KOTOR 2 was a much more wordy explanation of the same thing as well.
I haven't read any EU books. All the knowledge I get is from things inferred from the films. You really are autistic. Sorry you can't understand basic human interaction, and can't understand the language of body language and can't read between the lines user.
Guy saying it's the special effects and the cinematography here.
I'm not talking about it's legacy or why people are still invested. At no point did I say any of that, either. I said the thing that made Star Wars Star Wars is and always has been the special effects and cinematography. Even when the PT was getting absolutely ripped for it's goofy story, it was still praised for its effects and cinematography.
Even then, people are even more in love with the visual aesthetics of Star Wars than the story. The effects aren't even dated - they're hold up incredibly well, even today. The EU fans were mostly in love with the aesthetic. The gaming fans are pretty much only in love with the aesthetic, since the stories there are pretty much all a joke.
It's a visual thing. I'm sure there's plenty of people who legitimately don't care about the special effects or cinematography at all, but the goofy hero story of Luke isn't really important to the wide range of the audience. Some very diehard fans at most.
>thanos was ground breaking effects
No, it wasn't. Peter Jackson's team pioneered every single bit of tech used to make Thanos with the Lord of the Rings, over a decade before hand. Absolutely nothing they did hasn't been the industry standard for nearly a decade. The only thing the MCU team can claim about Thanos is that maybe, maaaybe they did it the best, the most recent.
No one really argues this much anymore its all about hating the shitty sequels
All the knowledge I get is straight from the source. Don't get upset when other anons don't share your subjective interpretation, a film can mean many things to different people.
You're taking this way too seriously.
>subjective
To anyone who doesn't suffer from autism, it's pretty obvious subtext user. I'm sorry you have communication deficiencies. But don't pretend that someone who can understand subtext taken from tone and body language has some alternative out there interpretation.
the world-ending irony of this statement, in this thread
George Lucas himself disagrees with your interpretation of Anakin and him being repressed and stunted by the Order, if you have trouble accepting that your opinions aren't facts I feel bad for you.
You have no source on this and just made it up.
shut up nerds
George Lucas changed the Jedi into space celibates because of a bitter divorce with his wife. They werent exactly written with a positive influence in mind.
Wrong
youtube.com
"Ani was right and the evil Order repressed him" my fucking ass.
Fuck off, the Prequels are great and superior to the OT. Saw them last year for the first time. OTards like you faggots are the only drooling nostalgiafags here.
what a retarded nostalgiafag
OT doesn't have dialogue that makes me die of cringe
>PTfags accusing others of being nostalgiafags
How ironic.
I think the OT is better than the PT but i admire your compassion.
He also came up with Podracers because he originally wanted to be a race driver before his dad convinced him to sign up for film school instead. George is an interesting guy.
Literally nothing he said contradicts what I said retard.
>
He explained how the core principle of the Force is letting go. Anakin was emotionally stunted because he couldn't let go of the people he loved, not because the Jedi Order repressed him.
Passion*
You are so autistic that you can't even be explained too why you are wrong because of your autism. This conversation is painful.
But yeah, keep believing he was emotionally stunted because he couldn't stop loving his wife though. Just typing up that sentence made me kek.
Even Luke, the young farm boy from a small backwater planet who years for greater things parallels young george in his small town wanting to get out and experience the world.
George himself explained it in the video I sent you. You are so utterly incapable of wrapping your head around the fact that stories can have different interpretations, that I feel bad for anyone who knows you irl user. This discussion makes me want to blow my head off.
Please blow your head off. Please. Do it. It would benefit the world to have one less autistic spastic in it.
I watched the whole video. I agree with what Goerge says in the video. You are simply too autistic to understand that oppression by good is a thing and human nature was stifled by the Jedi Order who insisted of rigid good naturedness. I don't disagree or debate anything George said there. I don't even know why you linked it, it has nothing to do with what I said. Honestly you are the second post autistic person I've ever talked too on this site.
Why did they shill for TFA?
>Elect a queen
Pic related elected an Emperor
Wasn’t it all that + Lucas’ special effects boner + more?
PT Jedi are basically Paladins in a way.
George says:
youtube.com
2:53:
>"Which is the problem with Anakin really. You're allowed to love people, but you're not allowed to possess them."
You say:
>But yeah, keep believing he was emotionally stunted because he couldn't stop loving his wife though. Just typing up that sentence made me kek.
You thinking the Jedi Order is at fault, not Anakin, means you fundamentally disagree with George's take on the story.
>Please blow your head off. Please.
Do you have many violent fantasies? Do they get you off? You sound like a shitskin. Are you a shitskin?
pos makes like two comedies that dog paddled across the atlantic and now we are all supposed to respect his opinion on all things "nerd" gtfo
KOTOR is best Star Wars. Prove me wrong.
I've played the first half and it wasn't very good