Why did he take Tyrions whore to his chamber?

>Tyrion is actually the Mad Kings son

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>"only because I cannot prove you are not mine..."
Tywin literally suspects that Tyrion is not his son.

>mismatched eyes of green and black, and a mixture of pale blond and black hair
If he ends up not being a bastard it is because martin is a hack.
Dany is not legit, she is either a bastard or some Lysene whore.
Jon is a targaryan bastard
Tyrion is a targaryan bastard
At the end of saving the world they would end up killing each other.
Would have been pottery.

He meant to say you are a fucking dwarf and if I could have disowned you by proving that you were a bastard I'd do it

It's supposed to be out of character. But in the books there's hints that hes the one that built a secret passage in the tower of the hand, so he could bang whores.

To play Lego

This is some pretty retarded logic. Movies and shows are not the books.

>dude if checkov's gun isn't correct every single time the author sucks lmao
get fucked retard

Dany has no evidence of to even suspect her of being a bastard even ignoring the dragon shit
Tyrion could be based off of the Mad King apparently having a huge boner for Tywin's wife. Tywin banging the whore is something I have no idea who it came about it even in the books

Tell me about danys childhood, how did she grow up and where?
Why is tyrion a literal chimera? Why did tywin resent him?
Why does the world of ice and fire hint so heavily about the mad king lusting after joanna enough that tywin quits
If non of those HEAVILY EXPOUNDED DETAILS are real and red herrings, then THAT is badly written. All buildup, no payoff.

Maybe in the book. In the show, they stress the fact that she's in love with Tyrion, then feels betrayed by him when he marries sansa, then fucks him over at the trial, then magically goes on to fuck tywin.

There is no evidence that she is! Every other written character talks about their youth and childhood.
Dany basically starts at 13 and her youth is 1 sentence about a door. I am convinced she is either a bastard or some rando that viserys got to sell off.

to feed her (and seed her)

Jaime and Cersei are the mad lad's kids not Tyrion.
That's also why Tywin went full autismo
>gets cucked
>only true kid is a dwarf and wife dies giving birth to him

>how did she grow up and where?
In the house with the red door
>Why did tywin resent him?
Because he is an abomination and "killed" his moms
>Why does the world of ice and fire hint so heavily about the mad king lusting after joanna enough that tywin quits
Lol that only serves the purpose of making Tywin and Aerys hate each other wihch results in Jaime becoming kignsguard so he can kill him

She monologues at length about the Red Door and just free floating around the Free Cities

Paagliacci Naharis

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Yeah, there is a difference between fucking prostitues and falling for every hot girl that wants to bang you, especially if you belong to one of the richest and powerful familis. Even if the girl Tyrion wanted to marry wasn't a set up by Jamie, she had to be atleast a little bit motivated by gold digging, right? In the books Tyrion is supposed to look disgusting, not like peter dinklage who atleast still has an attractive face.

There has to be a character whos name matches betther with Paagliacci.

I always thought he was flexing on Tyrion by fucking the girl he knew Tyrion was in to

the mad king did enact prima nocta with tywin's wife

No details. No memories. No friends. EVERY OTHER CHARACTER gets more written about their childhood than her.
And lemons don't grow where she was raised.

Fact. They even emphasize that it was during tywin's stint as hand that they legalized it again.

In the book it's suggested that Varys snuck her into Tywin's bed and gave her the hand necklace to cause Tyrion to snap and kill his father. Earlier while going over the medicines/poisons in the maester's collection was mention of one that caused very bad bowel problems, which if slipped to Tywin would have kept him in the privy long enough to carry out the trick.

Just look at Shae's reaction in the book, she acts like she was expecting Tyrion to be there before he strangles the fuck out of her without the chance to say anything. Tywin is also autistically attached to his dead wife.

What does book readers think about Varys and Tyrion being the bestest of friends and roaming around westeros like riggs and murtaugh?

Did they even fuck? I thought Tywin was just teaching him a lesson by showing that she would just as soon sleep with him if she was paid.

It’s all murky to me, doesn’t it all happen from Tyrion’s POV and he’s just raging and murders them both.

I don’t really remember but it didn’t really sound like Tywin or Tyrion and all I got from it was that Shay was not in love with Tyrion and moved up to Tywin because he offered more money and power

>hot
Lets not get ahead of ourselves here bud

Also suspicious that while leading Tyrion through all the secret passages to escape, Varys takes him through the one that leads right under the Hand's Tower.

This does make a lot of sense, but in the show she basically says ''Tywin?'' and is shocked to see Tyrion.

A huge part of Tywins character is his hypocrisy. This is the guy who ruined his family by pressuring his kids to marry for alliances yet marries his cousin out of love which did nothing to benefit thr lannisters.

Worse, she says "come to bed MY LION". Fucking stupid show.

Because he was a hypocrite.

I think its stupid, just like Varys thinking that Dany is clearly the best person to rule Westeros

Which seems weird because in the book he's all in for Aegon.

Yeah, I don't know about in the books but in the show she's an irrational, petulant cunt. Worst part is real life women will try to defend her bullshit.

She is in the books too it is a major theme in fact. Except her fans do not see them as flaws I suppose.

He drops dany in the books

Anyone else still hoping that Dany goes Mad Queen?
Only thing that can save her character on the show afaic.

There's irrational and then there's arranging for the man you love to be murdered because he was forced to marry a woman, while your profession is being a prostitute.

Will never happen. Not in a million years. Her and Jon Snow are the insert for the majority of the fandom. They have to remain pure and heroic.

Because he was a subhuman And*l

Valyrian master race should rule

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did high nobles accepted this kind of shit IRL?
it doesn't seem realistic for a king to fuck over his most important vassal like this

The books do a better job of explaining it, but of all his children, Tyrion is the most like Tywin.
>clever
>strategic
>wrathful when he needs to be
>likes whores

prima nocta is a myth, actually, so you're right, they didn't do it

She talks about a lemon tree and growing up in the Free Cities, but multiple times it is mentioned that lemons only grow in Dorne and citrus fruits cannot grow in the Free Cities.

well because in the book fAegon is the perfect plant for him and Illyrio to rule through. at best he's a blackfyre bastard.

no one here really buys the pisswater prince story, right?

It's a myth and has never been proven to be real.

>citrus fruits cannot grow in the Free Cities
lol citation?

a few of them are literally at the same climate zone as Dorne

Isn't that mostly why Tywin hates him? Because he would be the perfect heir were he not a horrendous monster?

In real life it probably happened but not as a law or anything, prolly just nobles doing what they wanted.
In the books Tywin ironically changes the law which would provide SWEET irony if the king used it on his wife.

because she was a whore

They do not grow in andalos at least which is where cheeseman lived.

Incest runs in the family. He's not gay so he couldn't have sex with Tyrion but this was the next best thing

The explanation Tywin gives in the books is that Tyrion "brings shame on house Lannister" with his whoring, and it's implied he blames Tyrion for his (Tywin's) wife's death.

Yeah. Remember Daeny's vision in the house of maegi? She saw a Mummer's dragon being raised above a crowd, aka a fake one made of cloth and held up by poles.

tywin hates tyrion because tyrion is exactly like him. tywin is a hypocrite that loves whores, he just hides it

There's significant subtextual evidence that fAegon is actually real and Dany is a Blackfyre bastard

It's hinted that Tywin is the one that built that passage that leads to the hands tower. It's mentioned in an earlier book that a hand built it to sneak whores in and out.

proof? he had lemontrees around his house.

That is my theory. Although I would love it if dany is just some lysene whore baby

>In the books Tywin ironically changes the law
jesus, why would he do that? and when is the law reversed?

>if the king used it on his wife
in any realistic scenario someone as proud and powerfull as Tywin would not accept it and start a war over it

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What do you guys think of the theory that Oberyn was poisoning Tywin?

The key word was was
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But there was targs that were dwarfs 400 yrs back

Varys is a Blackfyre too, which is the reason Varys is doing fuck all to begin with. If he truly wanted just the best king there is he would've put Rhaegar on the damn thing. There is a whole theory that explains it better than I could, look into it.

I thought R + L = D, preston?

Yes. The pretty boy would make make the good heir is an incestuous, headstrong retard. Meanwhile the one who actually has the brains to run everything is a hideous monster.

My bad, it was when she lived in braaaaaavos supposedly not andalos. My mistake.
Point is there were no lemons in the house she was told she lived in.

Or reminded him of his own father too that died climbing the stairs to get to his fancy whore wife.

meant for

yes

no there isn't

Egg changed the law and tywin overturned it. As for the war maybe he did...

there are lemon trees in braavos. the books state only the homes of the rich or powerful have little orchards. they must have been staying in the home of such a person.

Because it was his chamber. Tyrion had temporary residence but it was never Tyrions chamber.

Essentially Tywin had to strike back to restore balance to the universe.

lol imagine thinking this

Holy moly!

I think Tywin's corpse being all gross and smelly is just George's way of saying that Tywin was a terrible person and that for all his worry about muh legacy, all that's left of him in the end is a rotten corpse.

“Hang this,” she said, handing him the duck. Anguy shuffled his feet. “We were thinking we might eat it, Shama. With lemons. If you had some.”
“Lemons.And where would we get lemons?Does this look like Dorneto you, you freckled fool? Why don’t you hop out back to the lemon trees and pick us a bushel, and some nice olives and pomegranates too.”

Because he projected his own failures and insecurities on Tyrion

Why do you even need that to be a theory? Dude had to take a shit, why is that weird?

Tywin's entire character is that he is a hypocrite. The show only really succeeds at showing us the cool side of Twin though

>a couple westerosi peasants being authoritative sources on agriculture on another continent

uh huh

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For me the theme of Tywin and Ned as "fathers" to bastards that are more like them than their own children is one of the best parts of the story.

Well, don't the books say that he stunk the whole road over to Casterly Rock? Like unnaturally so?

Should have had him be bald and mutton chopped

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>A sunny red door and lemon trees growing in medieval amsterdam/london

Arya specifically notes the fruit trees rich Braavosi have when she goes to the city. The rich literally do have lemon trees in Braavos as a status symbol.

Tywin isn't the nicest person and probably forced her testimony.

Its a dead body nigga. You're so caught up in theories and twists you're reading too much into basic stuff.

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>changing arguments
>ignoring that lemons were being grown in fucking bohemia in the middle ages

>livejournal
kek

From Martin himself

The thing is you are saying if it is POSSIBLE. I am saying if it is PROBABLE. We will probably never agree. Also read the Martin post.

>Lannisters don't act like fools

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the martin post doesn't say anything except "lol maybe, wait for my next book"

More confusing, why did the whore hate Tyrian? He gave her tons of money brought her into the nicest place to live, gave her a fake job which she sucked at, gave her a home and insured she wouldn't have to work for the rest of her life and she double crossed him. Then he comes across her fucking his dad and she still manages to be pissed off at him

Like I said we will probably never agree. Lets just leave it.
Do you think Tyrion is a legitimate son?

>There's significant subtextual evidence that fAegon is actually real and Dany is a Blackfyre bastard

No on is this retarded, right?

Because the point of tywin's character is that he's a complete hypocrite that is full of shit. Tyrion reminds him of himself only he isn't obsessed with his outward image so he doesn't try to hide his flaws so carefully. Tywin brings the same whore into the same bed for which he denounced his son.

There's a line in the books I can't recall off the top of my head but Oberyn intimates that Tywin will be dead soon.

no bro, a red herring introduced in book 5 and backed by a rebellious bastard line's private army is totally the legit ruler. look at all the proof provided (we don't have any but come on)!

Because he's sexually dysfunctional. If he's not ordering rape by Mountain, he's having women stripped and whipped through the streets. He also loves to cuck Tyrion whenever he can. Jaime, Cersei, Tyrion, and Joffrey all got their degeneracy from him.

Do we have 100% confirmation that Varys is actually a eunuch? What if he's lying about his sorcerer backstory?

Nothing about fAegon's introduction makes sense. Dany was expected to die, so Illyrio gave her three priceless dragon eggs. That was nice of him.

It's totally not GRRM scrambling to make up extra shit.

>implying tywin wouldn't accept anything he had to to wait until his family would benefit
Going to war unilaterally would be house suicide

Dany is a pretender and was raised by viserys and varys as a way of selling a marriage.
The dragon eggs were just Martin fucking up how valuable they are.

this fucker better finish his books, or I swear to God, I'll find him even in hell

Aegon is obviously a fake made up for ADWD. He wasn't even in the original outline for the book series Martin submitted.

Shit, I never caught that. Good catch.

He was there for revenge, yes. But his first target was Gregor. The man who actually committed the acts. Unfortunately as we all know oberyn "based god" martell got MOUNTAINED before he could get to tywin.

maybe. But he is an accomplished poisoner, and isn't there some dornish poison that "binds a man up and drowns him in his own wastes"?

>tfw face-mogged by the imp

Why would George write that when he fully intended for tyrion to kill him? To explain why a dead, rotting body stinks? And then never explain thats why it stinks? Thats dumb and George is a bit of a hack but hes better than that. Occams razor works here.

So since this thread is for ASOIAF theories

What happened at the Tower of Joy?

>I learned from Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning, who could have slain all five of you with his left hand while he was taking a piss with the right.
The greatest swordsman who ever lived, killed by a bunch of unwashed northerners? I don't buy it.

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Maybe, but it sounds like she genuinely liked him either way. It's not that unreasonable to assume that someone would fall in love with Tyrion even if he is ugly. He's still funny, intelligent, and back then he was very gentle and kind. Gilly fell in love with Sam despite the fact that he's a fat fuck. Sansa is kind of into Sandor, and Jaime is kind of into Brienne. It's been known to happen.

What is it with GRRM and pissing and shitting?

There are many many times in the books where people have competing plans. It makes it more tragic that Tyrion is a kinslayer when he didn't even need to be.

Muh realism.
>What did Aragorn's shit smell like?

Dayne fathered dany in secret and so he let himself be killed, keep up man.

to be fair everything in the middle ages was sodden

Danny does go mad in Season 8. Someone she loves is murdered and she goes nuclear.

Wise and good, obviously.

My guess is that a bog devil dart got him.

>Theon is the Drowned God

what do you fellas think?

>the ironborn worship a dickless faggot
What a joke of a '''''''''''''''''culture''''''''''''''

Patchface is the Drowned God, I know, I know, oh oh oh

I find it far more likely that George showed off a little of my boi oberyn's plans so his death would be more shocking. You, the reader, believe that this is just the beginning of what he has planned, and you're excited to see more of his schemes because hes beating gregor. Then he gets MOUNTAINED.

This is true, but who's to say he didn't already start, too? Both can be true.

Ill just let you have this one.

But that's exactly what women act like. No consequences, no responsibility and no understanding of the magnitude of the problems they're causing with their behavior.

Theon is Bran's next meat puppet. He's going to use him to give Stannis valuable information.
>the maester's ravens hopped and flapped inside their cages, their black feathers flying as they beat against the bars with loud and raucous caws. "The tree," one squawked, "the tree, the tree," whilst the second screamed only, "Theon, Theon, Theon."

Olenna

What's so stupid about that? Tywin old but he still was a Chad, rich and powerful. Of course she was into him.

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BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE WHORES GO

The Bogman probably warged into Dayne's mind and stunned him, giving Ned the chance to finish him.

Maario Naharis

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Celebrity reputation aside, Dayne was still human and outnumbered by veterans of several battles.

Ned and Reed were the only two survivors, and Ned says Dayne would have killed him if not for the bogman. They were the final three apparently out of all the fighters on both sides.

Yeah, I know. It makes sense.

I fucking hate Tyrion.

Alright

My theory is Dayne gutted Howland and while he was dying he warged into Dayne's mind and took control of him. That's why it's said Howland Reed hasn't been seen/left the Bog in decades, he's inhabiting Dayne's body.

this but every character except the hound

that would be neat

Maybe it really happened just like in the show. Dayne isn't superhuman after all

He really does have the best arc of all the characters

My only problem with him is all the women who ship him with Sansa.

Proof?
Also, angry =/= mad in this context.

not sure but they are meant to be similar to one another so it's not impossible that Tywin would be attracted to Shae, he doesn't seem the type to do something vulgar like fuck a whore PURELY to spite his son who was going to die without knowing anyway.

how did she birth and control the dragons then dimwit

where do whores go bros

Whore Island

>hating /ourguy/ Jorah

He took her because he could. He saw her as a whore.
More importantly she saw herself as a whore. She tells Tyrion the first night they meet how young and foolish he was for falling in love with a prior whore, then reminds him he's still the same foolish man.

She drew after Tywin, but I can't see Tywin seeing her no different than any other whore.

Carcosa

>and Jaime is kind of into Brienne
>They both dreamed of each other and Jaime even said it to her in the face
I usually don't ship or any of that shit, but the only hope I have for this series is that Jamie and Brienne get a happy end.

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The Happy Port Brothel in Braavos

>we will never get to explore all the cool shit happenening beyond the bone mountains

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she didn't and she doesn't.
The birth of the dragons was a one time only unexplained magical event and Daenarys has no control over her dragons and is not fireproof.

Maybe. Long Night is set to Westeros in time of Age of Heroes, but there is some places from the Essos too. Who knows if they go to the YiTi when Long Night happened in there too.

I think the assumption is that Yi Ti had their own version of the Long Night, and the Five Towers are their version of the Wall. I also read at some point that they're currently going through their own wars of succession,

shit my reading comprehension is terrible. disregard my retarded comment

This video shows how that part of the world is way more interesting than Westeros...and we'll never going to see it.

youtube.com/watch?v=P4J16GzUJ28&t=1s

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Because they're both flat earthers.

>toads
>lovecraft references
>neanderthal are alive and well in planetos
That's cool, but it doesn't exactly excite me.

And tyrion is the youngest sibling by a few years

Please keep in mind that all these things are only that which is known in westeros. It is the same tier as Here be dragons.
Some of it is undoubtly true, but other stuff is only medival rumor.

On the other hand ancient travel records are the coolest thing to read. FOr example what the chinese had to say about the roamns
>Their kings are not permanent rulers, but they appoint men of merit. When a severe calamity visits the country, or untimely rain-storms, the king is deposed and replaced by another. The one relieved from his duties submits to his degradation without a murmur. The inhabitants of that country are tall and well-proportioned, somewhat like the Han [Chinese], whence they are called [Daqin]

I love that the Romans and Chinese knew each other somewhat and that the Chinese thought the Romans were cool enough to call them “Great China”

Wasn't there also a movie in which they met or somthing. I roughly remember seing such a movie. There was even a polynesian in it or something.
And no I don't mean the one with Jackie Chan.

I’ve seen clips on YouTube. I think there’s a scene where the Romans sing a song called “Light of Rome” or something.

Tywin is a hypocrite boomer like almost everybody in that series. But his hypocrisy doesn't stop him from being efficient as fuck

My pet theory is that our knowledge of the geography of The Known World is severely lacking, and the Grey Waste is actually north of the wall

I like that theory too. Westeros and Essos actually being one large continent.

Just a reminder that the secret passage from Chataya’s bordello to the stables was originally built for Tywin when he was Hand of the King to Aerys II and that Alayaya, who Tyrion had considered fucking and who Cersei had whipped, is Tywin’s bastard daughter with Chataya.

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it's very disputable that this describes the Romans. Silkworms in the 2nd century AD Rome, emperors deposed after untimely rain storms, doesn't fit the bill

I mean "to go west you must go east" etc. etc. right?

Yes, and I specificly diddn't meant that one.

daily reminder that Varys still has his cock and balls

underrated

wait what

This guy gets it

It’s better if the only kid Tywyin could actually produced is a deformed dwarf

what are you on about

Think about it. We have no proof - NONE - that he's actually a eunuch. At the end of ADWD, Varys has an uncharacteristically deep voice. Some people believe this is a sign that "Epilogue Varys" is actually a Faceless Man, but that makes no sense - Faceless Men change their voices as well as their faces. The truth is Varys is a Targaryen/Blackfyre who shaves his head and face to hide his silver white hair.

He never actually reached them. He only came close to the mediteranian sea. What he wrote down was mostly what he heared by others and then interpreted trough languages.
Ehich aids the point I made about all the stuff "canon" in asoiaf

What's his endgame or has he already been forgotten?

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>sweetrobin, dear, come warm mommy lysa's bed
>brrraarpppp
>oops! sorry, sweetie, the altitude makes mommy a little gassy. get under the covers and I'll keep you warm!

imagine

magically? she's a fuckin whore dude.

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>In the house with the red door
All that proves is that perhaps the sealord of Braavos protected her. It doesn't prove she's the rightful heir. It's just as likely that they found a girl with targaryen lineage to pose as a princess. She would be too young to remember her roots.

This and Lord of the Rings always really upset me with shit like this because I'd much prefer to see a series about a sea-faring traveller who explores these cool lands

Now that's not too far fetched.

Fanwank but I fucking love maps.

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So much bullshit in this thread that needs to be set straight.

All of Tywin’s kids are his and Johanna’s
Tyrion is a midget because Tywin and Johanna were 1st cousins
Aerys II didn’t rape Johanna, just fingered her during the bedding ceremony
Tywin has weird sexual hang-ups
Pissed that his dad keep a mistress
Was madly in love with Johanna
Fucked whores at Chataya’s nonetheless
Alayaya is his bastard daughter
Was strangely up to date about who Tyrion was fucking
Brutalized Tyrion’s first wife and forced Tyrion to marry Sansa
Took Shae as his mistress after sentencing Tyrion to death
The only place lemons grow _in Westeros_ is Dorne
Daenerys is Aerys II daughter

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hm

>Alayaya is his bastard daughter
What? Alayaya is pretty much a clone of her mother.

Indeed, too bad GRRM is such a fat lazy ass and we won't get anything else set on Planetos until he dies and his widow lets authors take a crack at it.

(I'm NOT counting the guaranteed-to-be-even-more-retarded prequel series from HBO)

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He based

>>Alayaya is his bastard daughter
>What? Alayaya is pretty much a clone of her mother.

Yeah, and?

Do you really think a whore/madam would keep the bastard daughter of some random literal who?

The reason Chataya didn't abort Alayaya is because she was Tywin's exclusive fuck toy at the time and knew the baby was his daughter.

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Weak ass lannister genes cucked by superior bbc summer islander genetics

god I would do things to skin

Who said her father has to be some random? For all we know Chataya could be married, or in a relationship. Maybe she just felt like it's her time to be a mother. These theories annoy me more than they should. Not everyone has to be someone's secret bastard. What does Alayaya being half Lannister bring to the story?

Genetics, motherfucker. Not one black and white pair, will produce a purely black child. You only see some cases where perhaps the father is light mixed, and the mother is dark black, and they produce a dark kid. But Alayaya is all her mother.

Sothyros is the biggest continent on Earthos

For the memes

>ywn know anything about Ulthos

does this make anyone besides me legitimately sad?

So the new season only has 6 episodes and they're 1 hour long? should atleast be 8-10 episodes. Fucking jews can't even get the ending right.

It's where whores go

If Westeros is the size of South America, how goddamn big are the other two continents? For that matter, how big is the world?

I feel you user. The further east it is the more I want to know about it. Same goes for west, north and south.

It will probably be pure australios, wanker

ULTHOS BUSHLAND ADVEENCHA

Chataya isn’t married and being a whore/madam, she’d have been getting pregnant all the time unless she aborted the kids but for some reason, kept this particular one, at the same time that the secret passage was clearly built for Tywin, a rich & powerful lord and this daughter later plays a role in Tyrion’s story and genetics on Planetos do whatever Grum want’s them to.

You don’t have to read that far between the line to realize Alayaya is Tywin's bastard daughter.

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He was horny and lonely

>>ywn know anything about Ulthos
>does this make anyone besides me legitimately sad?

Even if GRRM's wife refuses to let other authors utilize the world of GoT, when she's gone the publisher can do what they want.

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I think he legitimately fell for her. Tywin is just a dickhead Tyrion, after all.
He would have never considered it otherwise, but Tyrion is the only man who Tywin respects intellectually so he probably figured he was onto something.

i wuv her fat widdle face

Pagli Acci

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Not really any real proof but it would make sense considering the books themes, and especially in relation to Jon. If she was a bastard not not his aunt it would make their relationship significantly better.

>There's significant subtextual evidence that fAegon is actually real and Dany is a Blackfyre bastard

I disagree. Right off the bat, Daenerys hatches the dragons and some random bastard from a Lysene pillow house isn't going to be doing that besides, it's pretty clear that Aegon, introduced so late in the story, isn't going to un-seat Daenerys as a main character.

Aegon is introduced to show that the Blackfyres are still around and that noble birth does automatically mean someone a good ruler, good kings are trained to be such.

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Captain Maario Naharis

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your shit meme is shit and was never funny

Does anybody know where whores go?

who cares?

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he's the next littlefinger in the unnecesary time skip 30 years later

t.incel

>using incel on Yea Forums unironically
*upvoted*

heh, fun

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Shut up fag

why is german porn so gross