Heh

>this analogy is totally comparable to someone's enjoyment of a movie I dislike!

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ya really badass when he sends a force Skype call instead of getting off his fat ass.

Id say my fetish is more reasonable than any sane creature enjoying this abomination.

You call discussion claiming an opinion you perfectly know it's not widely shared, without volunteering any reason or argument?

i have to say as someone who semi enjoys watching star wars movies in the cinema just for the meme, seeing all the absolute virgins online who cry about how bad the new star wars movies are is comedy fucking gold. star wars was always meant for kids to buy lightsaber toys and darth vader masks you fucking losers, you're not meant to enjoy these movies as a grown man the way you would enjoy an actual movie with a plot. grow the fuck up and get the fuck over star wars like everyone else did when they were 13.

No

>he actually watches star wars

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I thought his initial cynicism was interesting. It was sort of a 'meta' reaction to the framework established in the prior film. Luke watched the First Order rise from the ashes of the Empire he worked so hard to destroy in the first three films. Almost as if he's aware of his place in a franchise that will keep the conflict going in order to pump out more films.

And I liked the way he he gained redemption. I've said this on here before, but the astral projection thing was perhaps the most 'Jedi' thing we've seen done in the films since Ben Kenobi letting Vader kill him. He stood up to the First Order, distracting them for long enough for his friends to escape, all without actually resorting to violence. The immense display of power also rekindled the legend of Luke Skywalker, and the Jedi in general.

Also, Hamill's performance was great. And I really love the scene where he talks to Rey about the Force, and we see the montage of the island.

Luke traumatizes his nephew for life by trying to murder him in his sleep and then he flips him off as a worthless 'kid' not worth his attention
Is Luke the villain of star wars?

your opinion is shit and you should feel bad.

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Grecian Galaxy Far Far Away

nobody has ever read the words you just typed. You are the first person to ever say these things.

kill your mother please

Same. I actually hated him going back to being a Jedi at the end and dying a lazy way. He should have become a Gray Jedi.

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uh oh a 30 year old nerdling whose happiness in life hinges on the next installment of "lightsabers and pew pew guns" being good.

Same.

i felt absolutely nothing but 2nd hand embarrassment when this happened. as well as the people going "awh yeah" in the audience. trash.

got you there nigger. im not 30. im 25 and i hate everything star wars except for the vidya. suck my fat shit.

>grumpy
>junkie
>retard
>shits on Jedi order
>tries to kill nephew in his fucking sleep
stop it Rian

>gray jedi
oh please fuck off with that fan made up bullshit and stick it up your ass

>why is this character not exactly the same as he was when we last saw him on screen 30 years ago?

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>>shits on Jedi order
The Jedi Order deserves shitting on. That was the whole point of the prequels.
>>tries to kill nephew in his fucking sleep
He briefly considers it because he knows what Kylo, with his immense, untapped power, is capable of. That being the same thing as Vader. It's the old question of 'would you kill baby Hitler if you had the chance.' Luke, for the briefest moment, considered preventing any possibility of Kylo becoming like Vader. HE immediately regretted even thinking of this, and still hasn't gotten over it by the time of the Last Jedi. It's not like he's proud of it.

you can do so much and still make him different than what he was. Rian went full 180 on him.

This classic DBZ trope that Rian blantantly lifted from the anime was the only cool Luke moment in whole film and then it’s immediately undermined by Rian’s shit sense of humor

this

That goofy knee slide was somehow worse than all of the prequel's over choreographed fighting, not to mention the Kylo/Rey throne fight was similarly an uncoordinated mess.
>tfw thousands of kids on youtube with sticks and nerf guns direct and produce better fight scenes than your hollywood blockbuster

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same, it's everything else in the film thats god awful for me.

If you cut out all the poe, finn and chink bits of the film and replace them with more scenes with luke training rey and more flashbacks and context into what luke saw that night it would have redeemed the entire film for me.

He didn't become the opposite. Thats just you being unintelligent, bandwaggoning retards. Have you seen the other movies, or just formed your oppinion on your outrage videos?

Skywalkers ALLWAYS struggled with going the easy route. Luke did and does. Thats the whole point of the fucking OT. And Luke decides to not go the dark, easy route in the last second - in the OT and in TLJ.

The only way Luke changed is, that the TLJ is a reaction to the failings of the Jedi order of the prequels. And he is completely right. If you are buttmad about this change, you should be mad about Lukas work in the prequels.

But we don't expect any intelligent thoughts from you bandwagoning outragefags.

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Sure, luke didn't want to be a jedi any more.
And he stopped caring about his friends. Stopped being proactive. Didn't believe in inherent goodness anymore. Destroyed his own x-wing and permanently uninvolves himself with fighting against fascist empires.

but keep strawmanning and calling other people devoid of intelligence. You do you.

>weebs all over Kylo with animu dodges

only part I liked really

This scene was kino until you found out it was just a hologram.

This. Hamil is not and has never been /ourguy/.

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This but unironically. Adults watching Star Wars is as cringey as adults watching capeshit. Just grow up you pathetic faggots.

Like the whole movie it LOOKED great. It's just the script and the acting (not from Hamil himself, he was good) that totally ruined this movie and the whole franchise forever.

when i saw this i immediately turned around, did a 360 and walked out of the theater

You didn't notice he was younger, dressed differently, or had different hair and beard?

Sure but he could have just dyed his hair and taken a shower.

Your argument doesn't make any sense given Luke's character development in the OT. Everything he does in the TLJ runs completely contrary to the decisions he made in the OT. Like why does it make any sense for him to draw his lightsaber to potentially kill Ben because he sensed the darkside within him when he had previously tossed his lightsaber aside when he was about to kill his father under similar circumstances?

Weird on Ben Ren didn't notice Luke wielding the laser sword he just helped Ray explode on the ship like 10 minutes prior.

He did. He was just too mad and scared to think clearly after seeing Luke in Crait.

Rey doesn't need training. Specially from a white old dude. She's awesome on her on. She even taught Luke how to be a good person by beating his ass.

Not him, but Luke thought about killing Vader in RotJ. He was tempted, even if it was for the briefest moment. That's clearly communicated in the scene.

He tosses his lightsaber away, yes. But only after considering taking revenge on Vader (he already cut off Vader's hand, which was arguably unnecessary, since it was pretty clear he'd won the fight at that point.) In The Last Jedi, Luke briefly considers preventing another potential Vader from manifesting by killing Kylo. He thinks on this for the briefest moment, and feels immense guilt immediately afterwards.

JJ threw him out of Episode IX.

He's talking about things that are important to him. Leave the old man alone.

But that's my point though. He already had that moment of weakness and learned from it. That's why I think TLJ undermines his character development.

r-robert please, there's no need for violence, put the gun down!

They're two slightly different contexts though. Luke knows he's beaten Vader at that point. There's nothing for him to gain other than revenge at that point. And he knows the Empire's pretty much done for as well. Killing Vader won't prevent any more deaths.

With Kylo, Luke's sensing all the potential evil Kylo is capable of. It's like Luke making the decision at the start of Vader's (Kylo's) life / career, rather than the end, if you get my meaning.

shades of Korean auteur Kim Ki-duk

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Why is his first thought to kill his nephew?

So you’d be fine with reintroducing Sheev as a character that adopts fluffy bunnies and runs a charity for displaced orphans, with only a few anemic lines as justification?
How about Tarkin is revealed to have boarded an escape pod just in time, and now runs diversity and education classes for deprived gungans?
It’s thirty years, bro, people change!
Hey, why not have yoda as the wacky retard he pretended to be when testing Luke, despite it not being his real personality? Oh, wait.

>sucks alien titty milk instead of mourning the death of his best friend
Kys shill

Because he realizes the horrors of what Kylo is capable of. In that moment, he imagines the terror of all his work in the original films being undone.

He only considered killing Kylo for the briefest moment, and he's not proud of it afterwards. If he had actually gone through with it, I'd be agreeing with you, that it's out of character. But doubt, over other, and ourselves is something everyone experiences. Perhaps Luke doubted his own abilities as a teacher; thinking there'd be nothing he could say to dissuade Kylo from realizing his destructive potential. I imagine a lot went through Luke's head at that moment.

There's a deleted scene where he mourns Han, which I absolutely agree should have been in the final cut.

And what it people's obsession with the alien tits? Do you know where real milk comes from?

Except this completely contridicts his character development in the OT. Why does he regress and need to be taught a lesson hes already learned?

I liked him and I liked the character progression even (up until he killed himself for no reason). I strongly disliked his motivation for it and the event that lead him there. You can do emo grey Jedi without making him attempt to murder his nephew in the kid’s sleep. Doesn’t track with the character up to that point, and there’s a strong issue with suspension of disbelief at that point.

Also, his reason for “meh, fuckit” should have been that the Jedi philosophy of stoicism ultimately produces Sith on a regular basis (nearly every Sith was once a Jedi or Jedi apprentice starting out) rather than the world is bad with us in it, because it’s bad without them too. The world is just bad and good. There is no perfection, and it’s childish to pout over that feeling. Have Luke in turmoil over the core tenets of the Jedi code trying to figure out how to be better at balance with oneself and others (while failing) rather than throwing toddler temper tantrums and pouting for decades in isolation.

Because it was put in to be disgusting and humiliating aka the whole purpose of Lukes involvement in TLJ. If you dont see how savage and degenerate luke appears in that scene you yourself are debased to the core.

That would be an excuse to recoil and pull away, not whip out a goddamn weapon and activate it above your sleeping nephew. Especially from a man who previously showed he had enough self control to tell the most powerful Sith Lord in history to fuck off, despite being in the most emotionally tumultuous time in his life.

Why the fuck does Luke need to relearn hope when he himself was The New Hope it completely contridicts his character.

Agree to disagree I suppose. I don't think the scene is logically consistent with the character that was written in RTJ. The scene works in the context of the movie, just not beyond that for the character as a whole.

I've already explained that they were different contexts, here And even once a lesson has taken hold, doubt can still creep its way in.

What? Once again, do you know where real milk comes from? It doesn't fall from the sky.

Muh black and white dichotomy for muh puny brain

Because life goes on and you find new seemingly insurmountable obstacles. That’s like asking why someone becomes depressed when they’ve beaten depression once in the past. Life, and people, are not static.

>ROTJ Luke
>confronts his father
>is so adamant that he will change him or die, that he tosses his saber aside and resigns himself to the very real possibility the emperor will kill him
>this Luke will go to deaths door to save his family
>TLJ Luke
>admits to feeling the same power from his nephew, that his own father had
>chose to actually get to the point of entering his nephews room and poised to kill him as he slept
>doesn't attempt to change his nephew, no he must die
>admits later he is partly the reason his nephew fell
>this Luke will do nothing to save family or friends
>his rash decision making that came from nowhere, lead him to fulfill his own prophecy

Luke is supposed to be optimism, determination and hope personfied what rian turned him into is a weak, cynica degression of what he started as. Its literally anti-character development Luke would never have abandonded the galaxy or his friends.

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I kind of agree that the lightsaber was a bit overboard, but I think that was more for the audience than anyone else. It would have been better if Kylo had simply sensed Luke's dubious intent, but that might not have worked as clearly on film.

Luke was never depressed to begin with it doesnt match his established character at all.

I should add, he doesn’t NEED to relearn hope. I just think it would be an interesting arc. But it’s only one potential storyline. It certainly doesn’t have to be, and there are probably others out there that could be better. Don’t really care. The one presented didn’t work, but it could have with tweeks.

That’s not what I said. I didn’t claim he was depressed. Your missing the analogy.

His rash decision making came from the prospect of his work in the first three films being completely undone.

And, as I explained in an earlier post, Luke does consider killing Vader in that scene. He's pretty clearly tempted by the idea. I don't think it was even necessary for Luke to cut Vader's hand off, it was pretty clear he'd won by that point.

Luke was never without hope. Never. It's like one of the best scenes in ANH, when he's standing on the hill looking at the sunset on Tattooine, hoping for something better.

The scene would have worked if Kylo had come to Luke in an emotionally unstable time looking for help, had Luke recoil from what he sensed, which makes Kylo misinterpret what he saw, lose control and sucker punch Luke.
It makes the scenes from different points of view make sense, since we already know the dark side clouds the minds of those in its thrall.

reusing nazis as the primary villains wasn't even the main problem with the sequels, its that somehow disney didn't even know how to portray nazis
they are overtly cartoonish instead of being competent and confident like the ones in High Castle
and then there's the impossible cost of building another, apparently bigger death star, its so completely childish and dumb, like watching a retard smear shit all over itself and everyone has to pretend that everything is normal and nice

Reminder that rian johnson has stated he based lukes portrayal of his relationship with his father. He ruined one of cinemas greatest heroes to project his daddy issues.

I liked his acting but I hated how he became an asshat. His best scene was the Falcon and Crait scenes.
There's no such thing as a grey jedi.

Oh that must be why the last Jedi toys flew off the shelves right

Except Luke in the throne room had very tight self control.
The emperor taunted him repeatedly with the loss of his friends, family, ambitions and ideals, and he still didn’t react out of pure anger, despite taking a swing at Sheev. He still had enough presence of mind to try helping his father, right up until he resorted to using his own daughter as leverage, and only THEN did he finally lose his shit, and only then for less than a minute before he snapped out of it.

That’s the sort of shit that you needed to break the composure of OT Luke. If the movie had done some legwork, maybe show that Snoke had been mentally working behind the scenes for weeks or months on end to erode the morale of everyone involved, then maybe the scene could have been salvaged.

Except all the rebels efforts from ANH are undone is ESB with the rebels main base destroyed and them on the run yet Luke still has hope, faith in his father and determination which ultimately saves the day. OT Luke wouldnr abandon everyone over one setback.

>written by a 2deep4u hack who's only good at making visuals
>takes pre-established characters loved by fans and throws them into the dirt under the pretence of creating a though-provoking narrative
>script so fucking needlessly long the studio has to intervene and cut that shit apart before releasing it in the cinemas
>singlehandedly destroyed any interest the fans might have in the cinematic universe

when did you realize The Last Jedi was just Batman V Superman ?

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He regains all of that hope and optimism by the end of the film though.

"Obi Wan Kenobi? I wonder if she means Old Ben Kenobi"

Detective Luke Skywalker is on the case.

This is the problem. We're told and never really shown all this work. All we're shown is the moment he went stupid and the aftermath. What was he afraid would be undone? His school that only came into existence because of Ben? Why couldn't he have attempted to sway Ben back to the light?

>break the composure of OT Luke.
As I've mentioned in earlier posts, I think there's motivation enough for him to break his composure in The Last Jedi. While he's sensing Kylo's potential, he's also envisioning all of his work in the first three films being undone. He's thinking that Kylo's fall might portend the rise of yet another Empire. In a way, he's thinking of his family and his friends, just as he was during the Emperor's taunts. He's imagining a whole new era of warfare.

Then dies like a bitch after relearning what were his defining character traits that he had already earned in the OT and after having regressed so much hes practically a different character.

>He's thinking that Kylo's fall might portend the rise of yet another Empire. In a way, he's thinking of his family and his friends, just as he was during the Emperor's taunts. He's imagining a whole new era of warfare.
See
>his rash decision making that came from nowhere, lead him to fulfill his own prophecy
OT Luke confronted problems with hope. Sequel Luke is hopeless and for no reason.

More screentime? He had a shitton of screen time idiot. Second only to Rey iirc

In light of ESB and RotJ, the destruction of the Death Star was just one battle. The entire Empire wasn't dismantled, thus giving way to twenty years of peace. Luke in the Last Jedi knows what the galaxy's like without the Empire. He fought the majority of his life for the peace he enjoyed after RotJ. I think that even the mere possibility of the Empire returning, after all that, would be enough to make Luke lose his optimism. It's like the character gained self awareness. There will never be peace, no matter how hard he fights, because Disney wants to keep making Star Wars films.

There’s not, though.
As I’ve explained in previous posts, it takes a lot more than any one event to break Luke’s composure. Even in ESB, the height of his naivety, he still thinks before he acts when he gets his vision. He doesn’t think particularly well, but he still asks Yoda first before he does anything. I think it goes without saying that he should be far and away a wiser man than he was in ESB.
This is also avoiding the point of the movie not doing any legwork to justify that reaction in context of Joan previous character.

>Then dies like a bitch
He becomes one with the Force. It's not like he gave up, I'm sure he knew he'd continue to help Rey even in death. Just as Ben Kenobi did.

>context of Joan previous character
I have no idea what the fuck went on there, but
>context of his previous character

>What was he afraid would be undone?
The peace he fought for throughout the original films.

Why the tears then? He left footprints. He touched leia. I don't think he wanted to die, but knew he had to.

Dying of exhaustion to do what one wrinkled ballsack did repeatedly without effort IS dying like a bitch, even disregarding how said wrinkled ballsack pitifully jobbed himself.

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But is that enough to make luke skywalker hopeless? Completely and utterly hopeless? I know the tie in material attempts to make sense of this but it was never shown in the films.

>But is that enough to make luke skywalker hopeless?
For a time, yes. He realizes the error of his way by the end of the film though.

Not to mention that back in the day he was disillusioned by Star Wars thinking it was gonna hamper his career (it did) giving interviews to Time Magazine saying how silly is to give passionate speeches to lobsters in flightsuits, didn't like working with Kershner, felt detached watching ESB, etc. But, now he acts like some fanboy, blabbering about Boba Fett is Luke's mom theories, when he ran away screaming from the franchise alongside Ford and Fisher the minute they wrapped ROTJ. The only one that was happy about being in the OT was Billy Dee.

I didn't mean to imply that he WANTED to die. I'm sure Ben didn't want to die either. But I'm sure he knew he'd still be useful after death.

What are you talking about?

Sorry for this but i'm using a stupid metaphor/hypothetical. This is like the killing baby Hitler debate. If you kill him as a baby he doesn't end up doing the thing so you just killed a baby for nothing, blah blah etc.
In this situation though, If you know you can change him, would you still kill his baby-self? Luke let his fear and anger, things he had mastered already, re-influence his decisions. Why and how did he get to that point, that he couldn't see the hope, and only saw killing him as the answer? Killing someone or destroying something is always the last course of action. Always. We never saw Luke try. And he laments that fact in the end.

I think we're at the point where we just have to agree to disagree sir. I think there was sufficient reasoning to justify Luke's rashness in TLJ. He thought about killing Kylo for the briefest moment possible, and he's awfully ashamed afterwards for even thinking he'd be capable of such a thing. In a way he had the same reaction as you, and many other people did. It's like pottery.

Fucking rekt

>how silly is to give passionate speeches to lobsters in flightsuits

but admiral arckbar has the most memorable lines from ROTJ

>reeee why was Luke drinking milk that wasn't EPIC

grow up

>muh everything has to be muddied in current year why can't I be a radical centrist in movies too

I understand and actually completely agree with his decisions after the fact. I just can't understand why Rian thought it necessary to not atleast add in a little bit of extra context. He could've cut plenty of other things to make room. I the end, imho he was just character assassinating Luke to make way for Rey.
Anyways thanks for taking the time to talk with us over Luke.

Snoke facilitated a hologram transference repeatedly, and arguably did it even better due to them being able to physically interact, and never once showed any sign of exhaustion.
It’s one of the more egregious bugs of bad filmmaking, because having Snoke seem exhausted for seemingly no reason would have been great foreshadowing.

>and only saw killing him as the answer?
I don't think he did. For the briefest moment he considered it, then immediately regretted it. It's made obvious that he never would have been capable of actually going through with it. If Kylo hadn't lashed out, I'm sure Luke would have tried speaking to him.

I think that one moment, where he did consider killing Kylo, was motivated more by doubt, than anger. Luke doubted his abilities as a teacher, and probably thought he'd be unable to dissuade Kylo from becoming another Vader. Hell, if Ben Kenobi and Yoda were unable to stop Anakin from becoming what he did, Luk probably thought he stood no chance, at least in that brief moment.

> thought about killing Kylo for the briefest moment possible
This goes against 3 movies worth of character development and completely ignores lukes biggest and most important character moment.
it is impossible to justify and is an example of horrific writing

>Anyways thanks for taking the time to talk with us over Luke.
No worries, nice to have a relatively comfy thread where we can actually discuss these things, instead of endlessly batting the word 'shill' around.

And Luke never even speaks to him and he's more of a squid than a lobster. Clearly Hamill was going through a depression period.

I can agree to disagree here. I mainly find it sad that the backstory that could have, in my eyes, made the film more agreeable regardless of the character arc was absent

For once there’s someone willing to discuss and defend Luke’s role the movie like an adult; piss off back to your bait thread.

Why do you people always ignore that Luke almost killed Vader too

Oh, I see now. Maybe it was a result of Luke closing himself off from the Force for so long? Perhaps it wouldn't have been such a monumental effort if he'd maintained that connection.

That brief moment shit is retarded. It's like the equivalent of cocking a pistol by your nephew's bed. That's not a brief moment of doubt, and we never got anywhere near enough information to ever consider Luke able to even consider something that drastic.
I contend that the only reason people even modestly liked Luke in last jedi was because Mark is actually a respectable actor able to give a good performance, even if it's something bad because it sure as hell isn't Luke he's playing, it's random hermit number 5

Holy. Fucking. Shit.
Thats the whole point!!! Thats how character development works! You fucking retard, think before you post for the love of god.
He already went over the urge to kill moment and he chose to be a jedi instead of following after his father.

TLJ ignores this and acts like Luke's big revelation and character defining moment never happened. Thats my point. Shame on you for making me spell something so obvious out for you you brainlet.

lashing out in righteous anger in a combat situation after the man in question said he would corrupt your sister is nowhere near the same situation as spooky visions make you want to kill your nephew in his sleep. It's a false equivalence

I think his rashness with regards to Kylo makes more sense in light of those first three movies though. If you'd spent the majority of your adult life dismantling a totalitarian regime, only to realize you might be raising / training the next Pol Pot, you might also consider putting an end to any possibility of another Empire rising. Luke only considers this course of action for the briefest moment, and he regrets it immediately afterwards. It's not as if he's proud of what he did. He, like you, knew it was wrong.

>he resisted temptation once so that means he conquered temptation as a concept and would never ever think about doing bad things ever again!

Yes.
yes that is the point.
How do you not get this? That was the moment Luke surpassed both Ben and Yoda and became a true jedi master. Him going back on this revelation is to ignore it ever happened, which is more than just bad writing, its utter incompetence.

Use your fucking brain.

When you hit the "maybe" button on describing things it's a sign the writer failed on some front, if there's no in movie explanation. Sometimes it's moot and is just a plot convenience but other times it's The Last Jedi and the entire movie Johnson wants you to write yourself.

>Luke only considers this course of action for the briefest moment
Post RotJ would NEVER consider it for even a moment, that is the whole point of lukes 3 movie story arc. Ben is family, just like Anakin.
How dumb doyou have to be to not understand this? This is creative writing 101 stuff

>muh childhood hero is perfect a bloo bloo bloo how DARE he ever make a mistake given age and a different context I bet the Jews did this

Sure, there's a lot of stuff like that in the older Star Wars movies' though. I know a lot of people like to ask why Obi-Wan didn't use the Force to run super fast through the lazer corridor during the duel with Maul.

Look man, you're literally retarded if you cant understand what im trying to say.

Have a nice day.

If autists put the OT and PT under the same insane nitpicking magnifying glass looking for "plot holes" their heads would fucking explode

I think he would. See

You're objectively wrong. Take a creative wroting class.

I get what you're trying to say. Luke did a good thing once, and so that means him failing or making a mistake is impossible even though Luke in TLJ's flashbacks is in a very different place and context than he was in RotJ.

>Take a creative wroting class.
They don't have these at my uni.

Not him but you're a dumb faggot that doesn't understand a hero's journey story, you're so retarded that even the most basic of basic tales is somehow too much for you. Do you not understand how removing yet another character victory in the original undermines it even further? Do you not get that Luke made plenty of mistakes compared to Mary Sue but his willingness to see the good in people is one of his most important character traits? And by having this doubt in the way he did made it undermine his entire arc?
I hope you're just being dense on purpose

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How the fuck can you not be aware that the PT has been ripped to shreds for literally decades now, and contrarians are only rearing their ugly heads because the incompetence of the ST has caused focus to be taken off, and allows people to deflect?
People deflecting from the ST have also tried ripping the OT apart too, but unforunately for them they’re competent movies with a few minor issues, rather than train wrecks with a splash of gold paint.

King Arthur and Beowulf, the two classical heroes of English canon, both became old and disillusioned and saw things go to shit as they aged.

BUT NO LUKE IS PERFECT THIS IS THE JEWS DESTROYING TRADITION REEEEE

No, it doesnt. Its the same thing-family member on the dark side in dire need of help.
You cannot watch the OT and tell me that Luke whipping out a deadly weapon on his sleeping nephew after the events of RotJ makes any sense because it doesnt. It goes completely against his character in every way. Its like Mister Rogers shooting his neighbor one day becaue the guy looked at him funny.

>why didn't Obi Wan use force speed
Well that's prequel territory so I can't speak with conviction, as that was never very interesting to me, but he was just a rookie then. I would think force speed is more a jedi master thing. Would is kind of an iffy word there I know, but I think it's justified more than Luke dying from force poisoning

And yet they still maintained their convictions and sense of self. It was the world that betrayed them, they didnt betray their own character arcs.

You have been btfo repeatedly in this thread. Stopposting so i can goto sleep.

Luke in RotJ is an idealistic young kid and nothing is at stake if he fails to turn Vader.

Luke in TLJ's flashback is responsible for the New Jedi Order and has watched the prequels, saw how the Jedi were destroyed from within and sees the same thing happening right under his nose, and the Force shows him the billions of people that will die at this kid's hands. For a brief instant he considers betraying his morals for a perceived greater good, then relents and is disgusted by himself.

>SAY HELLO TO YOUR GRANDPA FOR ME YOU LITTLE FUCK
Went a bit too far there desu

Rey took the falcon and left him stranded. His X-wing is busted at the bottom of the sea.

He couldn't physically go there.

>Luke in RotJ is an idealistic young kid and nothing is at stake if he fails to turn Vader
Thats amazing. Every single word you just said was wrong.

Except we see Obi-Wan using Force speed earlier in the same film. I agree though, just because it's in a previous movie, doesn't make it good in Last Jedi. But I think it speaks to a greater issue, that being that 'Force powers' aren't really something that should be looked at or discussed as if they were RPG skill tree talents. It's something spiritual; beyond explanation, which is why I thought Luke dying from the exertion was fine in Last Jedi.

King Arthur was brought down by french fan fiction writers, you absolute braiblet

Luke was fully prepared to die on that station. What happened in the throne room was totally isolated from the battle outside. The Rebels won the battle of Endor without Luke's help. Luke's victory is a personal, moral one, he didn't save the galaxy at the end.

But in TLJ's flashback, Luke sees all the pain and destruction and death that Ben will cause and in a brief moment of instinctual fear feels compelled to act.

you mean Jake

this was someones idea of "cool". Luke Skywalker dusting his shoulder off like a cartoon character. jesus its like a kid wrote it.

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>Luke in RotJ is an idealistic young kid and nothing is at stake if he fails to turn Vader.
Are you high?
He literally stakes his life on it, and his role in general is showing how he’s matured from his character in the previous movie

Right, he has matured, but he's still 22 years old with no greater responsibility than himself, as opposed to the ~60 year old man he is in TLJ who has the weight of the restoration of the Jedi on his shoulders plus the responsibility of the fates of everyone who will die at Ben Solo's hands

It will probably be added to the filter but I cannot think of a word the admins would use

Luke knows he needs todefeat the emperor, and in order to do that he either needs to kill his father or turn him. In his biggest character moment, luke chooses to not follow Ben or Yoda's wishes and instead risks everything by sparing his fsther and winning by believing in the good in his family.

Im going to sleep. I am objectively right about this--Luke's whipping out his lightsaber on his sleeping nephew goes against everything his character stands for and is inarguably an egrigous writing mistake. There is no cosolidating TLJ and RotJ Luke's behavior because post RotJ Luke would never do that--thats the entire point of his character

You can stubbornly defend the indefensible to ypur grave, i dont care. You are pbjectively wrong.

Have a nice day.

>king Arthur and Beowulf
Well it's a good thing he's not one of the thousands of other hero journey characters who didn't have that disillusionment in their twilight years. I'd hate for Frodo to come back from the elf lands taking about how Sauron was right
Also
>king Arthur
>heroes journey character
>the world's biggest fanfiction target somehow encompasses that
The writers couldn't even be bothered to decide if he was dead or wounded, buried in England or at Avalon awaiting the day he'd return to save England. You can't have Arthur define the heroes journey when we can't even totally decide what's canon in the knights of the round. Do we discredit all the stuff with Lancelot because he was a late addition by the frogs? Do we ignore Percival as he's replaced with Galahad? Holy Grail? Was the sword in the stone excalibur or caliburn? Did some watery tart distribute the sword to him? There's no totally solid canon for Arthur and calling it a hero's journey tale only works in the most loose way

>HEY BEN CHECK OUT MY NEW LIGHTSABER

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There's no way anyone who says this will ever convince me they liked Luke in the OT.
It's like calling yourself a Christian while jerking off to pictures of Jesus being buttfucked by Lucifer with a shit-eating grin on his face

>objectively

oh fuck off Mauler you fat fuck

What? user if he fails he loses his sister and father, he never was in a situation where it was just about himself in the throne room. He always had the same responsibilities

I feel the same as someone that hated the whole movie.

I think the grumpy Luke thing could have worked fine if the Rian didn’t back peddle at the end. I wanted to see more of that dynamic with him and Rey but eh.

I still hate this movie with the passion of a thousand suns.

>Luke knows he needs todefeat the emperor
Nah, they were on the Death Star weren't they? Luke's whole purpose was confronting his father, not the Emperor. I'm sure he trusted the Rebels to take care of the Death Star, regardless of what happened in the throne room.

Leia was never in any actual danger (from Vader) and the Death Star would have blown up and killed all three of them regardless.

>Kylo doesn't notice or question why Luke is using the lightsaber he just saw explode 20 minutes earlier

You're painfully unfunny, pal.

Ah, do we? As i've said, I can barely remember the prequel stuff. Aside from the race scene and the final duel i've not watched it in a good 15 years so my memory is awful on the movie

All Kylo saw was a flash of light and then he got knocked out.

You are making the common mistake of assuming characters have the same knowledge as the audience

It's so weird to me that Rey's last interaction with Luke is basically her beating him up and leaving.

I'm pretty sure he'll appear to her later as a Force ghost.

Fuck what a burning trashcan of a movie.

>Watches space wizard capeshit
>DUDE GROW UP XD

Son sit down and let the grown men speak.

His responsibility it RoTJ was the restoration of the Jedi. If he died in the throne room, the Jedi’s return, Yoda and Obi-Wan’s last wishes, die with him.
He risked all of that to save his father.

>"Who said you could take my books? Yeah I was going to burn them but you didn't know that."

that moment... didn't work at all

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>spends time AND money to go out and watch a literal streaming, fresh, hot pile of dog shit in the kino
>you guys are the retards, not me, I swear!

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Will there ever be an episode 9 trailer?
based disney cancelling sw

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When you’re an orphan and space hitler threatens the family you never knew you had in the heat of battle, yeah you’re going to get kinda pissed. This is a bit different than standing over the sleeping body of said family and debating murder.

>grandpa Luke is so cool and edgy
>oops, he dissapeared
What did Rian Jhonson mean by this?

I figure here in the next month or so.

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>a jedi master can't sense the danger of getting conked on the head

ffs

Also, why did she steal the books? She had no idea that Luke was gonna try to burn them.

well he did cut himself off from the force so I guess it makes sense he couldn't see it coming

>shits on Jedi order
Is this supposed to be a bad thing? The Jedi order sucks.

>paper books left mostly exposed to the elements on an island with high humidity and salty sea air
what is it special space paper or something
why couldn't they just be holocrons

I like how no one agreed with this user's post

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He tore the roof off of a hut 20 seconds before that. I assume he did that by using the Force. He must've plugged back in.

Also, I'm not sure how you can cut yourself from the Force without dying, but this movie has enough issues on its plate.

> star wars was always meant for kids to buy lightsaber toys and darth vader masks
Ah, that explains why they destroyed Kylo’s mask

I agreed with it which is why I didn't reply calling him a fag

>get to sell maskless kylo figures for a while
>the mask is back in IX but it looks a little different to make it obvious it was fixed
>can now sell two versions of Kylo's mask
yeah basically

My thought was the Jedi Order was founded on that planet before they had space travel.
Which probably doesn't make sense but whatever.

based

Cause Rian has shitty imagination.

Except that kids never want maskless villains and their sales of costume masks tank in exchange for a few maskless figures. If this was actually their logic they would have replaced Kylo’s mask with a different mask instead of just removing it altogether. The simple fact is that Rian just didn’t like the mask and thought it would be surprising if he stomped on it like a child.

Because, autist, the idea is that the Jedi Order is so old they predate holocrons

>b-b-but books wouldn't last that long!

and there's no sound in space and spacecraft wouldn't bank like that zero-g but NOW you decide "realism" is oh so important