Watching BoJack horseman for the billionth time

>Bojack is now about shaming bad people instead of trying to find the good in flawed people.
Bojack doesn't need to find the good in himself. He needs to be better. People do not need to be told that there are some good in themselves. They have to earn it. They have to try. Bojack going to rehab at the end of the last season is going to be interesting for this exact reason. Either he's finally going to take the turn towards being better, or he's going to crash and burn again. If the show's formula stays consistent, Bojack may start to turn around, but then fall harder than he has before. He may even pull a Sarah Lynn and go on a bender after being clean for a long time, dying in an overdose or related accident. Regardless, there's only so much that can be done in regard to "finding good" in people. There has already been enough of that. It's time to stop softening the reality of it all.

basically it was '' #Metoo GOOD, ORANGE MAN BAD, Believe!''

Late October. There was a leak.

> destroying any sense of character progression in a show just to prove a point about how shitty the world is and how people don't change
> considering this some kind of profound or "necessary" social statement

You clearly don't understand how annoying it is to watch people flounder in their own problems just because "that's real." The only people who find that therapeutic are vengeful people who want to whine about bad people in their lives, not people who actually live with those people and have to deal with them.

Bojack is not a real person. Bojack is symbolic of other damaged people who are abusive towards others. Giving the writers a free pass to dial back any sense of character development in the name of "reality" only serves to cripple any sense of progression. The show has genuinely become "depression porn" because people like you only want characters who you can criticize without any goal or purpose.

> season 7 bojack gets better
> season 8 bojack gets bad again!
> season 9 bojack gets better
> season 10 bojack gets bad again!
> etc

Kind of weird that it's not coming out in the summer like usual. Wonder if they took extra time to make it better in their eyes or if some kinda drama was going on

I hope one of the chick characters on this show starts binge eating and gets real fat and greasy, so i can jerk off to it.

Season 6 will be the last season. The creator is bored of it.

>You clearly don't understand how annoying it is to watch people flounder in their own problems just because "that's real." The only people who find that therapeutic are vengeful people who want to whine about bad people in their lives, not people who actually live with those people and have to deal with them.

Why do you have to deal with them? Let them go.

>Bojack is not a real person. Bojack is symbolic of other damaged people who are abusive towards others. Giving the writers a free pass to dial back any sense of character development in the name of "reality" only serves to cripple any sense of progression. The show has genuinely become "depression porn" because people like you only want characters who you can criticize without any goal or purpose.

And the them writers are SJWs, not even trying to meme, that's what it is.

> Why do you have to deal with them? Let them go.

That's a supremely sheltered and privileged attitude to have towards family members who are actively destructive and toxic towards others. I know that Bojack makes it look nice and easy to just walk away from an abusive environment with no sense of guilt or strings attached, but it's never that simple and it only hammers in the bizarre sense of coastal state privilege that goes on with shows like that.

I'm taking care of a relative with dementia who's in the last years of her life. She was possibly one of the most abusive people I've ever known and will hopefully ever know. It's easy for people like you to dump them into a nursing home and forget about them. If you seriously believe that what Bojack did to his mother had absolutely no ambiguity to it, then you really do live with a profound sense of ignorant privilege and have no genuine experience of dealing with abusive people outside of a bad relationship or two.

>The only people who find that therapeutic are vengeful people who want to whine about bad people in their lives, not people who actually live with those people and have to deal with them.
Yes, I forget that every single person on the planet is capable of letting go of their silly emotions and thinking things through solely based on logic and reasoning. But to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Bojack straight up offs himself next season just because of how cyclical his life has become. He doesn't learn. He tries to, and sometimes he does act upon knowledge from his past mistakes, but he hasn't made any real progress in the grand scheme of things.

So upset.

>Bojack makes it look nice and easy to just walk away from an abusive environment with no sense of guilt or strings attached
did we watch the same show user?

family being defined solely by biological ties is a lie. dump the bitch in a nursing home and live your own life, user

>They do it with Pickles

> but he hasn't made any real progress in the grand scheme of things

Watching a show go through similar story beats over and over again is frustrating enough. Watching people defend it as some kind of "important" social statement is embarrassing.

I know how self-destructive people often never change or grow up. If the writers seriously want me to watch something like that and think that it's something new or cathartic, then they're delusional.

At the end, Bojack was clearly uncomfortable and guilt-ridden by what he did even though his motivations were completely sympathetic. I'm attacking the ignorant "Why do you have to deal with them? Let them go." attitude that manchildren often shove around when people have serious problems in their family that can't be solved by moving away, like .

We shouldn't be tied down by biology, but if the ultimate message of Bojack is to turn our backs on "bad people" then it's a show that sacrifices any sense of understanding or empathy for a petty power fantasy against anyone who's ever been bad towards you. The show has turned pathetic.

Bro, sounds like you've got some huge fucking baggage. You owe NOTHING to an abusive family member. Doesn't matter if she has dementia. Doesn't matter what other family will think of you.

Shut up about how unfair everything is and live your own fucking life. You seem to be under the impression that you don't have the privilege to live a normal, independent life. That's bullshit. Putting a mean old demented lady in a home isn't condemning them to death, and therapy for your guilt is much cheaper than paying for the entire rest of her life.

This. You should be able to live your own life and do want you want to do not because of some pseudo commitment Bulshit

You're dealing with a lot user so your anger is understandable. I knew no details of your situation. It's selfless you're taking care of someone like that but painful. I hope you're able to heal one day.

This is precisely the type of ivory tower horse shit that comes from people who have only experienced minor situations and seriously have the gall to say "lol just leave." If you seriously have gone through a similar situation, you know it's never that simple and it's not just about how people perceive you. It says a lot that the same people who push that kind of narrative are the same people who believe that shitting on broken people is a moral good.

I appreciate it.

> lol just leave because it's BULLSHIT

This isn't even about learned helplessness. It's about a sense of empathy that's more important than saying that someone is a "bad person." To keep it Yea Forums related, it's funny how the show just wants to make things black and white when it comes to judging people because of Weinstein shit that happened in an elite upper class part of the country.

>if the ultimate message of Bojack is to turn our backs on "bad people" then it's a show that sacrifices any sense of understanding or empathy for a petty power fantasy against anyone who's ever been bad towards you
>dumping Beatrice at a shitty nursing home after an entire episode making her sympathetic
>next season has one monologe to the audience about Bojack feelings about his relationship with his mother
>it's liberal bullshit to leave abusers

Again, that was in response to

> Why do you have to deal with them? Let them go.
> lol just get therapy because it's easy to move on
> lol commitment bullshit

If you want to defend a cartoon instead of understanding the reality that the show tries to present, then it says a lot about your priorities and whether you really give a shit about how misleading the show's message has become.

you assume a shocking number of things about people who disagree with you. and you keep referencing the fact that your situation is different but haven't explained what that means or why that is

leaving/distancing yourself is never simple, particularly in an abusive situation, but that doesn't mean it's impossible

>family members who are actively destructive and toxic towards others.
Just cut them loose, dumbass. You dont owe them shit.

You get therapy because it isn't easy to move on, dingus

>misleading the show's message has become
the show's message is full house stars aren't good people

Discussion about the show has devolved into mocking the characters for their failures. It's fair to make these assumptions when sheltered responses like and have become the norm. I'm only pointing out the massive assumptions that other people make when they believe that they should put abusive people into a convenient package and punt it off to the side. It betrays a serious lack of empathy and they're the same type of people who only want to demonize and mock other people for their failures.

The show's message as stated by the creator is that life cannot be resolved cleanly in 30 minutes. There are grey areas. There is guilt and shame and turning to distractions is easier than actually dealing with our problems and even when we deal with them there's always going to be questions.

Going to leave since, again, IRL abusive relationships are much more complicated than what this show wants you to believe.

>sheltered responses like and
blow me
>stated by the creator is that life cannot be resolved cleanly in 30 minutes
no shit

Not everyone can be saved, and most shitty people will just drag you down with them. Theres nothing "sheltered" about leaving cunts to their own devices and putting your own happiness first.

>sheltered
again, how could you possibly know or discern that?

listen, you can empathize with abusive people and course no person is only one thing but when it comes to an individual that is abusing you, one is justified in removing themselves in whatever way possible from that situation. martyring yourself in some show of empathy toward your own abuser benefits literally no one.
I even understanding supporting them in some way, but not to the extent that you're still suffering because of them.

RIP bro

Im not saying to leave it all behind. I'm saying that people don't have be locked in a poor situation made by others. You dont have to always be tied down because of your family at a certain age. No, Im not saying this won't hurt any realtionahips at all, but leople should be able to choose what will be best for them in the end