It's canon that Pink Diamond simply forgot about Spinel for that entire time according to this Rebecca Sugar interview

see This is like "forgetting" your dog in the middle of a park, but for months or even years. It just doesn't happen. She had to have known.

She didn't seem to banged up about locking Bismuth up and forgetting about her.

Well considering that Spinel's story is hugely influenced by Rebecca's experience and meant to be a stand in for the toy, then we can probably make an assumption that Pink Diamond is very likely to be a stand in for Rebecca. Everything Stays is also basically Spinel's song, which is also based on the toy in the garden. Just a bit of assuming here, but I think this experience probably is a huge influence for Spinel's story.

The entire point was that Spinel thought Pink cared about her but she really didnt. She was just another disposal gem to her.

As for why she didn't go back for Spinel once she "changed", she liekly never wanted to look back on her past life and she probably couldnt trust Spinel to keep a secret that she was actually pink diamond.

How do you know? Rose kept secrets like a motherfucker and she even told Pearl that Bismuth was lost during battle. There's every reason to believe she regretted having to bubble one of her best friends for basically forever.

It was always pretty obvious that was the intention, she told her to stay still without really thinking what that might mean and then forgot about it. It's not like Pink was like
>I hope this little shit stays here and suffers forever for being so annoying kukukuku
this doesn't match her character even for people with the absolutely lowest opinion of her, she's never been intentionally malicious.

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She could have talked to her later. She never bothered. Its not like she had to worry considering she could body her what with being a Diamond and all.

She just ran away from her problems. Y'know like she always does.

How would she do that without having to reveal the real reason why she was bubbled? To do that would be to reveal that she was a Diamond all along. Pre-Steven Bismuth wouldn't have been able to deal with that.

I mean, yeah, I doubt she was intending to leave her there forever, but after the whole "oh shit making colonies will genocide this whole planet" thing, it makes sense that Rose would forget about her.

>How would she do that without having to reveal the real reason why she was bubbled?
She doesn't have to tell her she's a Diamond to get across how she didn't want gems to be shattered. But regardless of whatever Rose did if she let Bismuth out I can basically guarantee Bismuth would've chimped out and attacked her, look at how she exploded into violence with Steven. Bismuth attempting to shatter Rose really wouldn't be so out of the question. Clearly Rose intended to eventually let her out seeing as how she left her in Lion for Steven maybe hoping since she no longer exists there won't be conflict with Bismuth anymore.

Didn't Steven literally tell them the whole story and that didn't trip any "Rose is Pink Diamond" flags?

why no one else ever bothered to check the garden?

Why would it? Rose didn't tell Bismuth anything before they fought.

It's a garden made specifically for Pink and Spinel. Unlike the zoo it requires no matienence and is just a lump of rock floating in space, easily forgotten.

how did pearl know her, then?

>It's canon that Pink Diamond simply forgot about Spinel for that entire time according to this Rebecca Sugar interview.
Wow it's like you're surprised that Steven Universe has bad writing or something.

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>Have to think about something for more than a second
>"Bad writing"

Pearl was given to PD about a thousand years before she was given her colony.

Since when did people on Yea Forums just start blurting out "BAD WRITING" every time a show does something they don't like or don't feel like understanding?

why didn't pearl mention it to PD?

It's a non-argument that's been thrown at SU for years. People think it's an instant win but it just makes them look like autismos.

Pearl only cared about Rose. She had no reason to believe that Spinel was left behind for selfish reasons and wasn't about to question her Diamond's actions.

>She could have talked to her later
So you mean during the millennia long war? Or perhaps after when all the infrastructure connecting Homeworld was destroyed? And any contact with Homeworld would've attracted them again and sparked off further violence?

Yea Forums has need to hate everything. "bad writing" is the goto criticism for people who have no idea what they're talking about.

Dude, Spinel was just a toy, same as how Blue Diamond has Gems that are literally just combs.

How the fuck is
>lol I just forgot I left you there
even a remotely worthwhile explanation?
I swear you SUfags would accept anything put in front of you just because has feigned emotion that is forced rather than naturally built up and logical.

>Logical
Communication was cut off and Pink was in hiding as Rose Quartz. There's your "based and redpilled"

>The rest
Awful, just awful. You're only proving the point here.

No but she's always been someone who doesn't fucking consider the long term consequences. The war, her pretending to "die" at Rose Quartz's hands, telling Pearl to keep it a secret, not letting the remaining Crystal Gem's in on it, her secret vault, Bismuth, Lapis, even having Steven, these are all examples of Pink just not considering stuff past the moment.

Is Pink slowly becoming for Steven what Clay is for Orel in "Moral Orel?" I feel like we're moving in that direction the more Steven learns about his mom's morally dubious behavior and personal failings, and the more disappointment he expresses in her. I'd be down for that if next season has Steven and the CG's exorcising all their negative feelings and resentment towards Pink/Rose.

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I think the idea was probably to let Bismuth out after they won the war, otherwise it's not only an issue of Bismuth potentially attacking Rose, but also that the whole idea of the Breaking Point could have fractured her army in terms of how they wanted to operate. It'd be basically guaranteed that at least SOME other gems would be in the same viewpoint as Bismuth, especially Quartz type, so it'd be better long term to just keep Bismuth bubbled until the day she could just pop the bubble and say 'we won and its over now so we don't need the Breaking Point'

But then the whole radiation thing happens and it's obvious that it would only make Bismuth want to attack Homeworld more, and in the case where it's only Rose/Garnet/Pearl left at the time, she may have done something rash.

I mean it's all just speculation, but still.

If she was capable of standing perfectly still for thousands of years, then it's safe to say she can keep a secret.

Just do what Steven did. Unpoof her when the war was over and hash it out. Might take another poofing like with Steven but its better than what she did. Then again I forget if they unpoofed her the second time before or after the reveal that Rose was Pink Diamond.

Steven told the CGs the whole story about why Bismuth was poofed the first time and they still didn't know Rose was Pink. Dunno why Rose couldn't have at least attempted to try given that Bismuth thought Steven was Rose larping during their encounter at the forge. At the very least she could have been straight with the CGs about what happened to her.

Because Pink genuinely is the kind of person who would do that? She's already been established to be extremely childish and kind of a cunt as well, so her just forgetting feels consistent with what we know of her already. Why the fuck are you even bickering about this with us right now if you don't like the show? Get a grip on your life you fucking autist.

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I don't think it'd ever get to that point, it's just more realistic at this point to have Rose be someone who has fucked up in the past due to her inability to plan ahead. Better than how it was before with her being put up on a pedestal by everyone as a perfect being who could do no wrong.

Wasn't there an interview that basically said Pink wrote her off as part of "growing up" with the whole colony thing. She just went about it in the most cunt way.

It's the perfect antithesis to what SU stands for: Healthy communication, love and empathy. Pink didn't know how to do any of that and it's all the Diamond's fault. Ironically, they'll have the chance to truly became what Pink wanted so desperately to be.

who are some forgotten steven universe characters?

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To be fair that is kind of Pink's thing. She is crazy irresponsible

Oh look it's Pink Diamond

So whats up with no one ever finding Spinel? I get she's not important so no one would be looking for her, but I find it odd that no gem ever went to Pinks garden during all those thousands of years, the area wasn't re-purposed just abandoned, and even Blue didn't go there at any point, even though we knew that she had never gotten over Pinks death and kept going to Earth/the Zoo simply because they were hers

Basically this , but that's just headcanon. Space is fucking huge and I imagine since PD being "shattered" was a massive blow to the authority's ego they kept space travel in check which explains why the broadcast of her shattering didn't reach the garden until Steven made a galaxy wide message.

Heh, she's not even seen a person. She's seen a toy. Damn Pink is a cold.

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Oh I thought you meant Spinel. Unpoofing Bismuth would've been a TERRIBLE idea for entirely different reasons. Though the risk of the war breaking out again does figure into that.

audio post-production wonk here. reminds me of when people are at the peak of Duning-Kreuger mountain and know just enough to say "bad sound design" because "the dialog is always too quiet and then i have to turn down the music and explosions."
like motherfucker have you even heard of dynamics, we do that shit ON PURPOSE

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>Implying you remember where you left your baby toys

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>we do that shit ON PURPOSE
Just because something is annoying on purpose doesn't change the fact that it's annoying. If you make something deliberately irritating people will assume it's incompetence.

Pretty much this, Pink at that time was still in her baby 'I don't give a shit I just want my colony' mode, seems reasonable that she'd just forget her 'toy' that's just become annoying.

We can all agree Pink was worst Diamond then?
Like sure, the other three might have spent thousands of years as cruel dictators over a intergalactic empire, but they wouldn’t do something as bad as literally forgetting about their best friend.

> but they wouldn’t do something as bad as literally forgetting about their best friend.

Pic related for Blue/Yellow Pearl?

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Spinel wasn't her best friend, she was a normal friend for a while but had obviously just become a clingy annoying tag-along in the lead up to Pink getting her colony.

>Mom, how many Gems have you thrown away?
>How many fry bits have you eaten in your life?

Yang unironically literally factually did nothing wrong though

Punished Spinel is best Spinel! I want to hug and kiss her filthy Hot Topic garbed face!

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Blue, Yellow, and White are at least upfront about being evil, but Pink/Rose was convinced she was doing right and had a claim to moral superiority over others.

Evil doesn't exist in SU. The Diamonds are like autistic aliens just doing what they think they're supposed to do like ants. It's why the nazi arguments never hold water, but it's only surface level fascism and this shit is spouted by teenagers who LOVE feeling smart by repeating it.

my example isn't "annoying on purpose," it's dynamics. i'm sorry you like over-compressed things that sound like shit, but it's hard for audio professionals to make things that sound shitty. unless a producer is telling them to. which happens all the time 2bh.

just sayin that what most people here would consider "fixes" or whatever to the show are so often exactly what the creators don't want to do, because it would be shitty. it would take away characters' flaws, be fap-/ship-bait (and we've seen how shitty that can get), or most often be over-explained lore bullshit, etc. the writers would much rather make things that are interesting stories, which goes against all of the Yea Forums autists' basest instincts. doesn't make them great or even good. but at least they're better than most of the idiots here.

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How would you beat Spinel if you couldn't talk her out of it like Steven did?

not him, but I agree with you. I used to think the show was shit, and even now I think there are a lot of flaws with it. But in the end the show clearly has a theme it's not compromising on. There's a very clear vision on what Rebecca Sugar wants with the show and in a way that makes it a much more interesting and longer lasting show than if it compromised like others.

> You've been sucking the life out of planets and killing themselves for a completely pointless rate of expansion but it's okay because you're upfront about it.

I mean we know Diamonds are capable of empathy so there's no excuse for the destruction they've caused to the universe, at least Rose was able to figure that creating colonies was bad within her literal first trip to her first colony.

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I'd fuck the crazy out of her.

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Ask for a time out and say I'll be right back.

I didn't say it was okay, I was just saying they at least don't have any illusions about their ruthlessness. Pink/Rose did wrong while convinced she could not do wrong. She's not as bad as them because nothing she did was on the same level, but she was definitely more morally sketchy than her image for most of the show would suggest.

you cant claim to love all gems and want them to be free whilst also forcing your only childhood playmate to stand in one place for 5000 years and physically silence your servant.

SU is definitely flawed and I agree that it didn't deserve to win the Yea Forums show of the 2010's, but at the same time it does a vast amount of stuff right and there's really nothing like it. I just wish they were given 22 minute episodes. Lost cause with modern CN though.

Pink told Spinel to wait and not move. She didn’t do it continuously for thousands of years.

>this is the absolute state of rosefag mental gymnastics

Why are we even mad at Pink? Do you remember all the toys from your childhood?

I was just talking about sound design, not writing. I don't know how many things I've seen where sound effects, character dialog, music all seem to be at the wrong levels. Off the top of my head I can't think of any show that's done it as well as FLCL.

Those toys weren't living things. That's the issue here.

>tfw people will defend a pink clown toy but not feel bad you’re a fucking comb

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Pink knows Pearl. She should be perfectly aware of how unreasonably obedient her servants can be.

No wonder she forgot. She never existed until this movie.

blue gems are niggers lmao

By the time she changed her mindset she had more important shit to think about, saving a planet from destruction > remembering about your annoying childhood friend

How the fuck are those gems who are literally walls going to do in the new free society of Era 3?

Reminder that you'll never be lonely as long as you are combing.

For Diamonds and Pink at the time, all other gems are basically just tools, Spinel for PD was equivalent to a doll whose pullstring voice got annoying so she left it behind and forgot about it.

>she changed her mind
>while also forcing pearl to stay silent against her will until she was dead
no the fuck she did not

>pink at the time
thats what she thought all the time.

Does anyone have any Spinel pics I could use as my lockscreen?

At least Blue takes care of it.

Yes and that's awful, but Pink wasn't meant to be in the right. That's why it's worse than just leave a key or something behind.

>duning kruger
did u even look at the graph i posted. i really want to get pedantic on you about your mis-use of the term "sound design" but at the very least i should point out that FLCL is mixed generally the same as anything else. you just aren't reacting to it poorly because you like the show and the music. so when the music is loud you like how it's sitting, versus other shows that aren't 10/10s so you're just afraid you'll wake the neighbors or whatever. but the music would seem weak if it were any quieter my dude.

i'm sorry i'm being an asshole. i've been here on stage for 12 hours with like 2-3 more to go.

Pearl and Spinel should hang around more, both have a lot in common.

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It's not like she fucking taped her mouth shut, she just didn't want her talking about her being Pink.

We already know Rose didn't have great foresight on this shit, but it wasn't a super malicious action or anything.

I get that, just saying by the time she changed and would have realised her error, she had bigger things to focus on.

Hell, even if she did remember Spinel, it's not like she could have gone to Homeworld to get her.

Spinel is a rabbit according to Sugar!

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I agree with that. It's a tragic series of events which makes Pink a more interesting character overall, which I like.

With FLCL I can just as easily tune into the dialog as the lyrics in the background music at any given time. In the vast majority of shows where background music has lyrics, it seems more like they wanted to find an instrumental version of the song, but couldn't, so actually hearing the vocals well enough to understand them is nearly impossible.

DOOOOOOM CLOOOOOWN

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t. Goku

Maybe they can talk freely now.

So my wife drew these almost two years ago for shits and giggles for me (she knows zero about MGS).

Wonder if there's any relevance now...

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>It's not like she fucking taped her mouth shut, she just didn't want her talking about her being Pin
she may as well have. pink's orders as a diamond rendered pearl physically incapable of talking about it. pink is as compassionate of a person as Maoist china

you know for a sentient and autonomous artificial intelligence the gems are pretty fucking retarded

its amazing how they're still alive

>FORGOT about Spinel for thousands of years

Yeah, okay.

I would love her.

Usagi?

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Doesn't matter if she forgot or not (which is a guess by the way, we have no way of knowing) the ways back to the garden were cut off for at least 4000+ years until Steven turned up.

remember yellow diamond laughing at how short thousands of years were to her?

Time may not effect gems on the level it would us, but spending 6000 years for nothing because your best friend betrayed and tricked you and then DIED leaving you with nothing to get revenge on would piss me off that's for sure.

They weren't short when she was grieving Pink though.

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Isn't that what the vast majority of Nazi's did tho? What they were supposed to do? Not talking about the command, but the grunts. Also not trolling, and neither have I seen SU, I just am trying to wind down and going through Yea Forums

to be fair, its been said that humans were the first sapient sentient race they've ever encountered. Basically they've been lucky with their empire expansion only ever having to deal with lesser form wildlife.

That part really worried me. I wouldn't doubt that Spinel's story isn't that unique, there might be many Gems throughout the galaxy left abandoned and in pain for much longer because they annoyed the wrong person, or even just stopped being useful.

Well of course, they actually give a shit about other Diamonds.

The point was there are more facists than nazi's and the reasons the Diamonds did what they did were a bit more complicated than "jews bad". Before Steven came along there was literally no other way to create gems than to hollow out planets. Targeting organics wasn't the goal, it was a side effects.

I'm just here to point out the person who drew OPs pic draws lots of gay porn. Carry on.

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Source?

If they shut down everything just because their new grandkid asked nicely, they're not fascists or Nazis, they're larpers who got carried away

im confused as to when they showed up. rose said it was 5000 years ago, but also when humanity was just a tribal species so that doesnt add up, and on top of that pearl said she learned the concept of being a knight from humans. so either sugar is toriyama tier with her retcons or human progress in SU is completely out of wack.

Pearl said she learned the concept of being a knight in the sky arena, not necessarily during the time of the war. It would've been impossible since it was owned by Homeworld at that point.

it's probably out of wack, why wouldn't it be?

I mean the fact is they don't really HAVE any reason to do this aggressive expansion shit or have such a rigid caste system. They're basically immortal and extremely durable, so unless they were being attacked by some other force that required them to make a LOT of gems fast then there's basically no reason to do what they do.

So getting rid of it, or at least easing up on some aspects isn't really any kind of challenge.

White was the key to everything. Knock her down and the rest of the dominoes follow.

They were tribal, but who knows how long the war went on for, could be they got up to medieval times before it was over?

then how did rose justify fighting for humans during the worst periods in human history?

The war lasted at least one thousand years and humans were involved to a certain degree. Easy to work from there.

Eh, I think she just justified it by the fact that humanity was a natural part of the world while gems weren't. Judging from how she looked at the world even when she was with Greg, she was probably just super interested in how people had changed so much is such a short time ((from a gems perspective)), and didn't really mind the actual bad shit going on.

but then why the fuck do they need ARMIES for? Rose was the first rebel gem, and if there aren't ANY other sapient life in the universe, just what are the army gems and giant laser cannons made for?

gem history/military makes no real sense given how OP they are.

>haha look pearl look he's trying to skullfuck his dead partner isn't he cute??

i used to have a stupid headcannon about greg but i dropped it

maybe at one point they did need a real army, but now the only real threat is internal

same reason china has an army, so they can gun down anyone who steps out of line and then erase them

>Rose was the first rebel gem
Says who? Blue Diamond seemed to have a procedure for dealing with rebellions, so they've probably cropped up a lot over the years. Even Nephrite was questioning Yellow's decision to colonize Earth in Jungle Moon, so we know that there was some amount of dissent within their ranks even then. Hell, half of the gems on Earth went turncoat the moment they thought Rose stood a chance of defeating the diamonds.

I mean they had more soldiers than they could possibly need by the modern time, especially just for keeping gems in line.

All they're doing is creating huge amounts of soldiers with nothing to do but guard buildings where nothing happens or oversee the creation of more colonies.

The Diamonds including Pink considered all sentient beings outside of themselves as objects before they "changed," both other Gems and all other species, beings, and life in the Universe. Outside of the Four Diamonds, everything really is (was) on the level of a stuffed toy, a wrench, at best a rifle. Something to be used and then thrown away. Kind of the whole point.

they have a lot of buildings and people to guard. plus they have a lot of people to gun down. just like the PLA.

> Buildings and people to guard

From what? The ruling body ((diamonds)) and higher class aristocratic gems are OP enough that they don't really even have to worry about their own people going out of line.

I mean hell, there would have been no rebellion if Pink hadn't started it + used her OP powers to actually make crystal gems think they stood any kind of chance.

Draw pearl with fitting gun pls

kek and yes

she was a cunt

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I kinda want pic related with doomguy big gentle strong hand, her hair is kinda bunny ears. They both solitude for eons

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You saw how she treated Greg, even when she was attempting to date him.

She still had that Diamond disposition as seeing them as funny primitives, so if they were doing some vile shit, who cares? That's what primitives do.

She wanted to just protect the indigenous species here because she didn't like to kill things.

>From what?
unruly gems/off colors.
weve already seen how homeworld uses guards for fucking everything. the zoo even had an entire gaggle of amethysts and that was a space station out in the middle of nowhere

That comb gets to see Blue Diamond in her most private moments. Gets to run through her hair.

>How do you just "forget" about your friend, a living creature (not a stuffed animal)?
This made me think but young children do this a lot when they play games like hide and seek and want to get rid of the other kid(s) or simply get distracted by something else. They just leave the other kids hanging and then they forget about them. Of course most of the hiding kids eventually get bored or mad at some point and just move on but if they didn't and there were no adults who cared about them and they did the same shit as Spinel, the kids that are suppose to be looking wouldn't give a shit and move on and forget.

There is obviously something wrong with how the Diamonds act and they all are childish and lack much empathy for others that aren't each other. Pink especially disregarded her subject's feelings, and never treated them seriously and it kind of has to do with how the other Diamonds treated her. It isn't until Greg confronts her about not respecting him that she seriously gets a wake up call. Greg was the first person who wanted to see her eye to eye and wasn't a loyal yes gem.

But yeah Spinel remains the biggest most awful thing Pink Diamond/Rose Quartz did and it makes me wonder that had she remembered Spinel later in her life as Rose Quartz would she had gone back for her?

I thought they were harvested and placed into walls as punishment?

>had she remembered Spinel later in her life as Rose Quartz would she had gone back for her?
No because the Galaxy Warp was broken. Also because she's a terrible person.

Name a more epic prank

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Ok, so quick question since I just done watching the movie and may have missed something, as I usually do

Is it explained in a comic or somewhere else how did Spinel get ahold of such a powerful, nuclear tier weapon? I mean it doesn't matter in the great scheme of things, but still

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Nothing yet, but I imagine it'll get brought up at the NYCC panel on Oct 4th. They answered some specific stuff twitter followers sent in at this year's SDCC (like CG Pearl not belonging to White, more of which still to come) so this'll probably be brought up too.

No, but I firgure since the Diamonds are mothballing a lot of military there's probably some lightly guarded weaponry just waiting for someone to jack it.
>We'll never see the fight Spinel had getting the equipment before she got poofed and assumed her current form
>Two bored gem guards are complaining about Yellow Diamond since they're allowed to now
>A noise snaps them to attention, but it's just a cute Spinel bouncing up to them
>"Let's play a game!"
>Spinel proceeds to wreck their shit
>"I win!"

This is after the military was disbanded and seeing how such a thing isn't really a threat to the gems at all she might have just asked for the injector and actually got given it. The scythe is way more OP though. it has to be pink's and in the garden or something. Considering her forgetful nature it's possible she dumped a lot of shit behind as she went to Earth.

She was riding weird monkey dick every night for six millennia, why would she suddenly stop to think about an old toy?

pic related: it's a few souvenirs from the guys she boned throughout various eras of history

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>only fucked the best warriors

based

I really should go through this show again. I remember Rose being this mysterious and heroic figure I always wanted to learn more about. I'm sure rewatching it now would be a very different experience.

She’s none of that. She was just a kid who sorta fucked up a lot and took on more than she could handle.

this was never explained, nor brought up again.

>There's two of every armor
>One for Rose, the other for whoever's dick she's riding this week.

Too bad the writing for this series is baby shit, there's some fun stuff here.

well, Rose Quartz is kinda like that. Pink just got really good at maintaining that persona for millenia. That or Garnet's a moron. Sapphire and Garnet are the only clowns in this story.

talk about subverting the expectations
take notes rian

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Yeah, that's what they said in the fucking movie. So what?

is it just me, or was most of the stuff from S1 just cool set pieces? especially all the magical shit

Yeah, I hate Pink but have to admit that deceiving everyone for thousands of years while living with someone who can see possible futures was pretty impressive.

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youtu.be/kh1mGp0Hbdw

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Nah, I feel you. Like a semblance of a plot doesn't appear until Lapis/Peridot show up, everything prior is having comfy adventures in artsy ruins and shit. They were never really explained, and it's better like that

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Bismuth wears forged armor. They belonged probably to high ranking rebels.

>imagining hearing Pearl on the radio while driving around Vice City in the night.

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War is wrong, and Yang knew that.

>Spinel got poofed by fighting the guards while stealing her weapons
Well, that just makes sense now. Why didn't we thought of that before?

>pearl's VA is a gross chink

RIP

And Amethyst! Killedem
youtu.be/d70df0EvJAk

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/pol/ pls go
deedee is legit one of the best people ever, VA status irrelevant.
>t. i've met her a few times through various meaningless LA antics

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honestly i would have at least have liked to see the functional versions of these places on homeworld

they got buried under the new era gem stuff.

Because it doesn't, we've seen gems changing shape without getting poofed before, the whole fucking "Drift Away" part literally shows step by step how and why Spinel changed her shape to being with, she didn't needed to be poofed to turn upside down.

>all those different cultures
Do you guys think Rose could have changed her physical appearance to be more suited to these men's tastes over time?

That's not being impressive, that's just a plot hole.

Garnet was just that loyal to Rose, she never sought to check her out.

Future vision isn't literally seeing the future, it requires context. Why would you suddenly turn to your leader and think "oh shit, are they actually our sworn enemy in disguise?" at random? It makes no logical sense. Sapphire had no reason to look into Rose considering she gave her a new home after they ran away from Blue's court.

How is it a plot hole?

>Do you remember all the toys from your childhood?
I remember my pets, which is a better Spinel-analogue since toys cannot intelligently respond like she can.

Wow, it's the most obvious explanation that only people who can't seem to comprehend that Pink Diamond wasn't a great person seem in denial about.

That sounds like too much work, she probably just tried to influence human culture to find her current form hot. No doubt Rose was responsible for the modern fat acceptance movement too

This is probably literally true desu. Like think about how what we've learned about Rose recontextualizes all her shit. The light cannon, the secret deadly armory, the powerful artifacts. She was never in any real danger from homeworld since she could have just revealed herself to be pink at any time and stopped the conflict immediately. She was playing war and all her weapons and shit were more toys to play with.

How would she go about that? Gems are pretty autistic, she couldn't even figure out how to fake having empathy around Greg.

Can we talk about how this thing was fucking pink? All gem shit seems to be color coded and this thing is pink all over and has a giant pink gem on top. Unless Spinel built it or had it built, which seems highly unlikely since she's neither an engineer nor has rank to have shit made for her, doesn't that mean this BIO POISON INJECTOR belonged to the supposedly nature loving pink diamond?

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You don't get to pick the color a chemical is. It just was pink.

She didn't need to have it explicitly commissioned, they could've just made it for her (and made it pink because Homeworld is all about color themeing everything)

Her gems continued to fight in her stead after she was supposedly killed by Rose and even after the war they still consider her their diamond. It's unreasonable to assume that they created weapons like this in her image after.

>shapechanging into whatever your current lover thinks is hot
>harder than spending thousands of years monitoring hundreds of cultures and subtly manipulating each one into viewing your current form as the definitive feminine archetype for thousands of years

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It was already several hundred years later by the point she came to that mindset about gems. Spinel was already long forgotten.

see

>Making somebody unable to talk about your deception that could lead to the fraying of your group and their inevitable destruction is a great malicious action.

You act like it's something where if she said anything she'd die. She literally lead a completely fine life except she couldn't talk about one specific thing.

It's a terrible thing based on a terrible consequence to a terrible plan, but I'd hardly say it's proof that she didn't grow to love all gems.

I think it's inescapable that she did. We know she shape-shifted a womb to have Steven, "We Need to Talk" confirmed she took multiple human male lovers over the years, so she definitely shapeshifted a vagina, and in "Greg the Babysitter" she definitely has boobs while her original quartz disguise just looks like it has a regular flat chest.

>Pink Diamond simply forgot about Spinel for that entire time

learning this while i'm high as shit has me having an intense feel

i didn't plan for this

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>that's just a plot hole.
It's not. It's directly addressed after Garnet finds out, which is part of why Sapphire takes the revelation so hard. She says she never looked into Rose because she trusted her.

Really? I thought the people who had another interpretation were under the impression that Pink intentionally left her there during the rebellion. Wouldn't that be more malicious really, to know you abandoned someone and still let them continue to sit there because saving them would be difficult for your goals?

More importantly: where the fuck did she get that thing and why didn't the Diamonds use them on Earth sooner?

In hindsight it's kind of amazing how SU managed to subvert in a really natural way the basics of storytelling. The most irredeemable, selfish and cruel villain in the show is a character who was hailed as saviour and paragon of goodness, her actions have lasting negative repercussion on every major character even though she died before the beginning, the last season having completely changed the perspective of her legacy.

Why would the diamonds use BIOpoison against rebel GEMS?

Kindergartens are harmful to Earth life. Pink wanted to stop colonization of Earth to spare it's biological life because she thought it was unique and worth preserving. The Crystal Gems rebelled in a war against the Homeworld for Earth and for their own independence. They used Corruption to take out most of the Crystal Gems, but they could have also used the biopoison to wipe-out all life on Earth, leaving it as bad or worse off than if they had just kept colonizing it.

How the hell do we know? They didn't go into any damn detail. Diamond Days was rushed af

How is it bad waiting?

>The most irredeemable, selfish and cruel villain in the show
>Pink
Uh, no? Her entire motivation for the rebellion was stopping the damage her invasion was causing. There's characters in the show with way less remorse than that. You took completely the wrong message from the narrative.

That was intentional from the beginning right? Hence all the cryptic lyrics in Love Like You?

It's a bit morally grey because her actions lead to the survival of Earth and then tousands of year later her son would change gemkind for the better, but all of her motivations were childlike whims, including getting pregnant from Greg. She's like a really selfish Chaotic Good/Neutral character that doesn't care about the consequences of her actions and how she hurts those around her.

Wiping out life with biopoison would've clashed with the goals of colonization, since killing off life would've made Earth unsuitable to make more gems.

That reminds me, what do you guys think would happen if Steven actually talked to the gems about what was in Lion's mane as soon as he found out about it? Would they just have assumed Bismuth was corrupted somehow/"if Rose did it we should probably just abide by it forever" or would they ask Steven to bring Bismuth out early?

>doesn't care about the consequences of her actions
"We're not creating life from nothing. We're taking life and leaving nothing behind."
"If this is my world, I want to leave it to the Crystal Gems" -Before the Crystal Gems all get obliterated by the Diamonds
She doesn't fail to care about the consequences of her actions, she fails to at least initially, understand what the consequences of her actions will be. She doesn't get the degree to which her actions will affect others. Look at the scene where she tells Pearl to never speak of their plan to anyone. A second before she's acting Pearl if she finds what they're going to do exciting. She doesn't get how she's about to traumatize Pearl, affecting her view of shape-shifting in the future, or foresee why Pearl might have to tell someone what happened, and that last order might hurt her.

But it would defeat half of the point of the rebellion. Homeworld can always just find another planet to colonize, but once Earth is uninhabitable all the life they were fighting for dies.

The Crystal gems would've still had their motivation to fight for their own freedom, and the Homeworld would've destroyed the main reason they came to Earth for the first place, basically making sure they themselves win nothing out of this war.

Even when the Crystal Gems were basically defeated, the Diamonds basically just gave-up on Earth entirely. If it meant so little to them, why not just wipe it out?

Their gem destroying light power was supposed to do that anyways, and then they just moved on from the planet because all signs seem to point to the fact that it was a Zim scenario where they gave Pink some low priority planet to colonize to keep her out of their way.

They held no resentment to Earth, just the gems fighting who 'killed' Pink. So the holocaust wave was more than enough.

>If it meant so little to them, why not just wipe it out?
That's what the Cluster was for.

And look at how well that turned out for them.
You'd think growing a gem that big would have wiped-out all life on Earth, but it didn't. Just spamming the planet with those injectors would have been a far better plan.

And the whole Earth colonization business would've ended up being a waste of resources, nothing usable or worthwhile gained out of it.

they are pretty obviously meant to be evil fairytale style queens. not nazis or whatever.

CUTE

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>lol i dunno he fell in a vat of acid and now he's an evil clown lmao
that's what you sound like
shut up faggot

Comby is canonically the most powerful character in the show, and also the true mastermind behind the Diamond Authority and the Sneeple.

off-topic but fuck yeah smile for me is my shit

It would have demoralized a lot of the Crystal Gems, knowing that their attempts to defect from the diamond authority basically destroyed the Earth. Some would step back in line just to keep the Diamonds from doing that again. Unlike the Cluster, biopoison can't just decide to change sides. Once the cluster failed to form in the right time frame because Steven bubbled it, they should have done SOMETHING, but didn't.

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gems have superior cream technology.

It would've demoralized PD, sure, most of the Crystal Gems were fighting for their own freedom and destroying Earth wouldn't have changed that.
Gems themselves have nothing to fear of biopoison, Homeworld using it in the middle of the war would've destroyed the very reason why they, the Homeworld, were fighting for in the first place.

They cared more about squashing the resistance than about using Earth as a colony. It only became a colony because Pink wanted one & the other Diamonds were just going to destroy Earth with the Cluster anyway, so why not just use the biopoison?

She had her leg ship, and based on how blue could sneak into earth for who knows how long without being detected, pink/rose could've taken pearl and forced her to keep it secret that they were going to retrieve spinel. No one would notive a giant pair of legs taking off in the desert then gone the next second leaving no trails because it travels at lightspeed.

Sugar does like her anime references.

You got it backwards. Earth was originally intended to be Pink's first colony, but Pink secretly started the rebellion as Rose. While the rest of the diamonds were fighting for Earth's colonization in Pink's stead, Pink/Rose was fighting for Earth and eventually for the freedom of misfit gems. After Pink's death, the diamonds' priorities changed, and from then on it was all about destroying the Crystal Gems, Earth be damned for all they cared.

>and from then on it was all about destroying the Crystal Gems, Earth be damned for all they cared.
And they still didn't use biopoison... why?

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The cluster was itself a goal. A heavenly body sized gem weapon would be a decent consolation prize for the war.
The fact that it would have destroyed Earth was just icing on the cake.
Using biopoison would have been a waste of resources since all signs pointed to total annihilation anyway when the cluster awoke if Steven didn't interfere at the last possible moment.

Cuz they decided to make the Cluster.

And after the cluster failed to form because of Steven bubbled it? What was stopping them then?

I haven't seen the entire movie (just the song), but I think it was pretty obvious PD was simply annoyed by Spinel's presence. She simply wanted to get rid of her, I'm guessing she never thought Spinel would remain there for another 6000 years like an idiot.

Finding out that Pink wasn't shattered.

>And after the cluster failed to form because of Steven bubbled it?
They tried to activate it manually, but ended up in a fight with both the cluster and the Crystal Gems. By the way, does that seem like shoddy writing to anyone else? just the whole "Two diamonds go to Earth basically alone to activate the weapon'?

Why would that be a problem?

When the crack team they sent originally not only didn't come back but defected, I can see Yellow Diamond deciding to take care of things personally.

Every time they sent someone else to do it, even one of the most perfect quartz's they have, have failed, and Rose is there waiting for them, eventually you just have to do it yourself.

News flash, Pink was full of shit.

That happened well after the Cluster was bubbled.

>does that seem like shoddy writing to anyone else?
That's what I've been trying to say the whole damn time. The biopoison injector hadn't even been thought of until the movie. The writers didn't think of the implications of the biopoison injector or the rejuvenator would have on the overall story, they exist in isolation, never mentioned before the story and probably never again after. The only reason the Diamonds never used these things before is because the writers didn't think of them until the movie or their implication in the overall narrative. It's shit writing. Just like a movie where 80% of the plot literally doesn't matter.

Because something stopped the cluster and they didn't know what or how. Instead of sending an army of gems to find out what it is and stop it, they pretty much sent two un-escorted royal figures.

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It's not the attending to it personally that seems questionable, it's the lack of an entourage. They're an intergalactic empire with numerous worlds and massive crowds full of gems attend their whims. If a mission has previously proven risky enough to warrant the diamonds' attention,then it should be risky enough that two leaders of the empire should be well-defended on their mission.

>they pretty much sent two un-escorted royal figures.
you phrase this like they're helpless little princes or the queen of England and not titan sized demigods.

>That happened well after the Cluster was bubbled.
But that happened right after the diamonds themselves realized that.

>Because something stopped the cluster and they didn't know what or how. Instead of sending an army of gems to find out what it is and stop it, they pretty much sent two un-escorted royal figures.
That's why two Diamonds went instead of one. Normal soldiers would be worthless against anything that could threaten a diamond.

>The writers didn't think of the implications of the biopoison injector
well for a start biopoison is used to kill all biological life on a planet, which is antithetical to the point of gem colonies which convert resources into energy to produce more gems. you don't kill a planet you want to strip mine, so of course it hasn't come up before.

>the rejuvenator
from the way Bismuth described them they seemed uncommon and fell out of use over the years. The fact Peridot didn't even know what one was means they were abandoned tech.

Also the fact they weren't explained to your satisfaction isn't the same thng as a plothole. Steven Universe is full of lost technology that is loosely explained. Were you as booty blustered that the time travel stuff was never mentioned before or after the episode they appeared in?

>Normal soldiers would be worthless against anything that could threaten a diamond.
Not in large enough numbers. Watch the Blue diamond fight again, the reason the Crystal Gems are as effective as they are against her, besides Steven's shield, is that they can all focus their attacks on a single target, putting her on the constant defensive. This is why you go into a fight with superior numbers when you can. Plus it's not just the diamonds themselves that need to be worried about, it's their ships. The Diamonds went alone, and ended up basically stranded there, or would have been if it wasn't for Steven knowing where Pink's ship was. That's just poor planning.

Normal soldiers would be worthless because they would be affected by Blue Diamond's depression aura.

If by "right after" Steven bubbled it at the beginning of Season 3 and the Diamonds didn't even show up until Season 5, without any explanation as to how they even knew the cluster had been bubbled.

They have no fucking idea how the cluster was bubbled or what did it. For all they knew there was an army of Crystal Gems waiting to ambush them. Even if both diamonds were as powerful as Darkseid, there's no reason not to delegate it to underlings who can take all the risk for you. And like said, they fucking stranded themselves like idiots.

"I want my Cluster, and I want that planet to die. Just make that happen."

They could probably take her out with the Laser Light Cannon.

Stop doing that. People don't need training to know they can't understand the dialogue, or to know they're in physical pain.

if the biopoison gets put in, the cluster probably would come out weird.

The cluster finished forming, it was just bubbled. Biopoison doesn't effect gems, just organic life, so the poison shouldn't be any threat.

Stop trying to rationalize the shitty writing already.

where can I watch the movie user? haven't gotten into SU since season 5 finale

There was never a point to use the bio-poison. The Diamonds literally never cared about the organic life on earth outside of its resource potential. That 's why the Diamonds used their siren song thing to corrupt the gems instead of bio-poison. The song ruined gems, and they couldn't give a single fuck about the organics. it's like asking "why did you use the insect killer after you used the human poison in the war?" because no one cared about the insects.

Then why the fuck did they have biopoison injectors in the first place?

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For when they do care about organic life. What if organic life was a real problem for gems on a planet? Better get the handy poison that fucks with organic life. It's just in the case of the earth, humans were just a backdrop to the real threat of the crystal gems.

outerspace might have plants made of meat or any sort of weird shit. it's possible spinel's injector is something that was never meant to hold enough poison to outright kill a planet, or even that it wasn't made to contain biopoison at all

admittedly that means she not only stole but also jerryrigged a worldender in ten minutes, but whatever

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>"any and all criticism is wrong and bad"

yikes

criticism is fine. but everyone on this board is an idiot, and their 'remake' ideas are almost always worse than anything the show vomits out

Cringe

This show has been a chronic case of Stockholm Syndrome for me since the very beginning of its run and even I can admit that the writing, even at the best of times, has sloppy corners that were needlessly left untucked

Even the movie, the best written thing the show has produced, failed to realize how absolutely doofy it seems that Spinel heard about PD forgetting her, transformed into her new evil form, went back to homeworld to get a unique injector filled with a biopoison that had never been seen before, and flew all the way to earth in the span of a few hours, rather than taking the OBVIOUS route of making Steven's announcement take place just before a timeskip to the future, giving Spinel two years to fester emotionally and carry out her plan instead, which would have also given them some potential material to cover in the upcoming sixth season, as it's set to take place at various spots across the timeline

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What was her fucking problem?

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unlimited power in the hands of an abused child

This shit is heart shaped on the top

>went back to homeworld
Where did it say she went back to homeworld for the injector/biopoison?

maybe they can be those porto-walls like the ones you can rent for businesses, but they decided their terms?

>did u even look at the graph i posted
Hahaha oh my god, shut the fuck up.

Big titty and hips has always been seen as fairly hot. Rose had a very breedable shape, and seeing as she chose it after wanting to fuck cavemen she probably used the fertility fetishes they jerked off on as a guide.
I know the Rose Quartz gem exists, but it's implied Pink commissioned and designed them.

lmao at the PD Defense Force in this thread. Pink Diamond is easily the most irredeemably loathable character in the show.

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No species able to challenge them, no reason to improve.

>proof
The creator said so you absolute retard.

Given that Pink getting her colony was the reason for her leaving Spinel in the garden, it's safe to presume she didn't just have a fuckhuge injector laying around a non combative zone
The fact that it's unclear at all is kind of testament to what I said about sloppy writing, again I really do like this show but Sugar's forte is not fine details

Diamonds are people.
Anything under 9.9 mohs is a thing, or a pet at best.

I've always thought she was an offcolor diamond. She was dysfunctional.

My guess, a "fuck it let's cut our losses, we'll make do with shitty gem quality" tool.

thats not proof its just some imaginary being's headcanon

lol no, that's orange fathead, gem cancer should have killed her.

I really like that picture. It feels so intimate.

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Yeah I wish there was at least a few days between Steven’s message and Spinel’s arrival. The fact that all of that shit seemed to have happened in 5 minutes is bullshit.

She wanted to ride the cock-carousel on earth.

>The biopoison injector hadn't even been thought of until the movie. The writers didn't think of the implications of the biopoison injector or the rejuvenator would have on the overall story, they exist in isolation, never mentioned before the story and probably never again after. The only reason the Diamonds never used these things before is because the writers didn't think of them until the movie or their implication in the overall narrative. It's shit writing. Just like a movie where 80% of the plot literally doesn't matter.

We've seen injectors before, Era 1 ones in the Kindergarten. Peridot mentions that they're old, outdated models but they look relatively similar to the one Spinel had. Spinel likely just took an Era 2 Injector and instead of loading it full of goo that causes gems to grow, loaded it full of unrefined biopoison.

as to why gems have biopoison when they typically want to convert organic life into new gems? perhaps its for use in small quantities against particularly hostile organic life. Perhaps it's not meant to be put in an injector, but is meant to be used in some other specific type of weapon.

>rejuvenator
like said Bismuth seemed to imply they weren't super common and clearly by Era 2 they were long-gone.

dude, the injector was basically a pesticide, not really a strange thing to find in a garden.

to fight space godzillas

you shouldn't think of the zoo as a standard gem installation

it was blue's pink memorial, not a utilitarian space, even the amethysts were relics

>Job is to literally keep her pube hairs neat and trim with its teeth

You know how many god damn anons would eat shit with a smile for that job?

....people comb their pube hair?

Nigger tell me you're not being serious
>movie goes out of its way to show the biopoison rotting plants and corroding the soil beneath it
>which was intended to choke out large populations, judging by the injector's size and the amount of poison in it
>thinking that equates to a garden pesticide

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a comb is all she's known to be, though. I think. Lapis was a winged gem confined to an immovable object trapped staring at the empty open reaches of the sky and space. Spinel unwittingly committed herself to a game that isolated her from any form of social contact. Both scenarios pull the respective gem away from their most definable traits: the freedom of flight and being a good friend.

A comb's punishment of similar caliber would be forcing it to do un-combly activity for an extended period of time.

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>crack team
it was a peridot and a jasper who just tagged along out of spite

Pink Diamond did not realize or accept the notion that people could love her, because she did not love herself. There appears to be a running theme focusing on self-love, of which Pink did not possess or struggled to find, I think.

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To be fair the movie also goes out of its way to explain that the Injector filling the earth with its poison would decimate all organic life on the planet and they show it injecting everything. They also show giant chasms and canyons made in the road meaning it got tens if not hundreds of feet deep, and its right next to the ocean, like right next to it and its spilling a liquid. Oh, and Peridot also said it exploding would be really bad and it exploded. Then none of this actually mattered and was fixed near instantly.

So, for the movie, they invented a brand new super weapon that probably should have been used before, completely fucked up the timeline in order for Spinel to obtain it and learn how to use this world fucking up machine in the span of like 10 minutes while also flying it right to earth, had it inject this death goo into the earth but everyone still gathers for a fucking concert with it directly in their sight instead of running like hell, opened giant chasms everywhere with its destruction but somehow not actually hurt anyone despite one drop being enough to make Greg's arm grey and gangrenous, said both spilling all its stuff and exploding would be really bad but then did both of them, and then just said none of it mattered because Steven gave it kisses. Oh and on top of that, none of what I just said mattered because it could have been resolved as soon as it happened by going and getting the Diamonds to come turn it off, since you know, its their drill thing, but they just didn't because no reason at all.

Guys I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say maybe this was a pretty badly written movie for little kids and we're all overthinking the equivalent of Carebears.

true
she had entitlement, though.
>i deserve it! i'm just as important as you!

That just further goes to highlight my original point; this movie and the show in general were sloppily written because fine details and weight of consequences are things Sugar and her cowriters are bad at

It was being used improperly.

Bitch the garden was a floating rock with little beneath it, why the utter fuck would their dispenser for pesticide for that be a giant fucking drill? What was the plan? Destroy the entire garden? What do you even need the poison for? The drill does everything! It's not a giant spray, its a drill.

You're missing the larger point here; the fact that anyone needs to speculate about this shit is embarrassing for these "professional" writers

Should make one with the rejuvenator

>but they wouldn’t do something as bad as literally forgetting about their best friend.
As we're shitting on Rose, please don't forget that the Diamonds created the Cluster.

But even she is just a pawn for the true mastermind behind everything: Onion

>IT DOESN'T SPELL IT OUT FOR ME
>THIS IS BAD WRITING
You continue to be pathetic. It's obvious by watching why the poison didn't wreck the Earth properly because Spinel sped up the process instead of just letting it do its job. Had she left it there instead of wanting to spite Steven specifically everyone would be dead.

Developmental trauma, poor "parenting", narcissist, possible sociopath

Her entire life was "you are a diamond, above all lesser gems, act like one".

>forcing it to do un-combly activity

you mean to make her do something unbecombing of her?

Remember Plato's philosopher kings? Well, the Diamonds are artist queens. Their entire society is based around aesthetics. Maybe they came up with the idea of martial glory independently of experience (or from pre-Diamond Gem history) and decided that having a magnificent military would be its own reward.

Also just because there were no other civilizations doesn't mean they never had to deal with any dangerous fauna. Maybe they got rekt by sandworms once and decided to be prepared next time.

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>oops i forgot lmao

AHAHAHHAHA

I feel a little sorry for Pearl's characterization. I remember when the first episodes of the first season aired, and we all declared Pearl to be the best mom. All these seasons and a movie in, and Pearl is holding all of Pink's secret baggage. We don't know if Pearl was aware of Pink's "game", but Pearl did know Spinel existed for the whole time but was too self absorbed to question.

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>bad writing

Instantly don't care what you said when someone says this

pink....aka the true villian

villain*

imagine an alternate timeline where pink never morphs into a hybrid monster child but spinel still finds out somehow. what happens next? how would spinel's revenge play out. i dont think she'd have the resources to shatter a diamond or if that is even possible. hit pink with the rejuvenator maybe?

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>"Spinel? Hey! You moved. That means I win!"

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She was a spoiled princess who could not handle the burden of ruling.

there's a fanfic called 'her other friend' on ao3 that has a chapter like this. pretty good read.

>You continue to be pathetic.
>Yeah! Got you!
>Diamond thing?
>Uhhhh, do you need everything spelled out for you, gosh! You can just make up a bullshit reason why they didn't go and instantly solve the issue, thats good writing!

Thinking about it that last line is the SU fanbase in a nutshell. Its stupid and makes no sense but so long as you can pretend there might possibly be a reason that's not supported by the show, its still good writing. This isn't a fan, its an abuse victim.

Less like forgetting you dog and more like forgetting your goldfish.

I don't like the downright propaganda like implications that the rebel was bad all along and the equivalent of the axis powers during WW2 were the good guys. It really feels that way with how poorly written these "redemptions" are. Also, 16 year old fusing with their father and then eye fucking and air humping while barely wearing any clothes? Rebecca should just admit she's a pedophile at this point; she clearly hasn't changed.

poor quality bait, but thanks for bumping

Yes, she's using pain to block out steven's words and keep her anger up. People with bpd irl hurt themselves physically to try and block out mental/emotional pain. If you get injured, your adrenaline goes up but you also aren't in a calm state anymore and that pain can fuel further anger, especially if you're already irrational like spinel admittedly was.

spinel's entire breakdown took place in one day, we havent seen enough of her to diagnose her with a literal personality disorder. grief makes people crazy.

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Adding to this, the shit she did to Spinel is what I would consider "Pink but without any self awareness"
She has only been around the other Diamonds at this point, she didn't really have a big realization until she actually got Earth.

I'm sure Pink never told Pearl that she left her.

She also never told her the truth about bismuth either despite her gag order geass shit. Makes me think she thought she couldn't trust pearl with everything unless she cause her so much internal turmoil that she'd just breakdown too.

More like too obedient to question. Don't forget that she's still Pink's SLAVE, designed specifically to see her as absolute.

She's not self absorbed, she just is not programmed to question Pink. By the time she started to see the cracks Spinel was a couple of thousand years gone so she probably didn't remember at all.

Pearl is lucky she wasn't bunking with Bismuth, just to keep her quiet.

Tfw the megucas are more morally upstanding than the diamond fucking shits

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>the rebel was bad all along
Where do you see this in SU?

to mix with diamond juice in an injector, that way the plants die and the new gem can form without competition for nutrients