When does this get good?

read X-Statix instead

Yeah, you're probably right.

Based

I hate the MCU.

read both desu. they're sister runs

Right there with ya man. While I enjoy the MCU more as a whole, I feel the X-Men film series were significantly more consistent in comparison. So many films were absolutely astounding in my eyes. It's also the only film that I feel did a decent job with their iteration of time travel. Love to hear your thoughts.

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>I feel the X-Men film series were significantly more consistent in comparison
Yeah, consistently shite. Only X-Men 1, 2, Deadpool and Logan are worth a damn. The series being concluded with one of the worst action movies ever filmed in Dark Phoenix is more than a fitting sendoff.

Astonishing isn't nearly as quippy as the MCU

This is a thread about comics. user only brought up the MCU as a snide retort to anything done by Whedon.

Recently watched Dark Phoenix for the first time while tripping balls. Gotta say I pleasantly enjoyed the film. It wasn't what it should have been, but it was something I wasn't going to turn off. I feel the train scene nearly compensates for all of the film's shortcomings. The only thing I found really hard to forgive was the constant shitting on Xavier throughout this movie got old quick and these older X-Men are acting like spoiled kids.

DOFP>Logan>Deadpool>>>>X2>>>>>>>>shit>>>>>>>>>>>the rest of FoX-Men

Still consider this waaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy better than Ellis' run. I'll stand behind this all day.

Watch it again without being stoned and maybe you'll have a different opinion.
>The only thing I found really hard to forgive was the constant shitting on Xavier throughout this movie
Yeah I agree. "Damn look how morally ambiguous Professor X is" is a very, very tired trope.

The X-franchise is best when Xavier fucks off. He's an awful character that does nothing but take up space and "inspire" writers to come up awful things for him to do.

>cohesive conversations/scenes/plot
I definitely felt like this the first time I tried to read Seven Soldiers of Victory. Often it felt like I missed a page. It took a while but I eventually got used to it and was better able to flow along with his janky pace, move in and out with the micro and macro view.

Personally I liked New X-Men immediately. I didn't read it the whole way through, tho. Not a fan of Igor Kordej.

Shut up idiot, Sir Patrick as Professor X was excellent and will go down as one of the all time great castings for a character.
James McAvoy a shit however.

Stewart was fine and fit the role but the character himself is garbage.

There are no bad characters only badly written interpretations of characters. You mean to tell you haven't liked Professor X for ANY X-Men comic you've ever read? I find that hard to believe

>There are no bad characters

The massive collection of awful 90s X-characters proves that wrong.

>You mean to tell you haven't liked Professor X for ANY X-Men comic you've ever read?

Xavier is at his best when he has no powers or is otherwise unable to use them. The best period of X-men comics is when he leaves Earth and Magneto is in charge of the school

>The massive collection of awful 90s X-characters proves that wrong.
Any character can be rescued, given the proper chance and written by a talented writer. Look all the continuity deep dives to rescue characters that we're seen from Morrison, Hickman and Ewing for example.
>Xavier is at his best when he has no powers or is otherwise unable to use them. The best period of X-men comics is when he leaves Earth and Magneto is in charge of the school
I actually agree with the last part of this. my favorite x-men era was also when Magneto was headmaster. It felt like a perfect evolution of the character and the title.

>I found Claremont's run subpar.
Which part?

When you get some taste.

>Any character can be rescued, given the proper chance and written by a talented writer.

So any character can be good as long as the writer is allowed to change enough that it isn't the same character anymore.

>it isn't the same character anymore.
I mean, that's the nature of superhero comics. We're talking about characters that have existed for decades and handled by dozens if not hundreds of different creatives.

Phoenix/Dark Phoenix Saga, Days of Future Past, and God Loves Man Kills.

The nature of western superhero comics is characters getting boiled down to a few base traits that endlessly repeat. Xavier's traits are

>nearly unlimited psychic powers
>assembles paramilitary forces
>lays claims to the moral high ground at all times
>is a bit of an asshole
>can't walk

The reason Patrick Stewart worked as Xavier is that he was basically Picard, with Picard's inhumanly high moral standard reining in Xavier's asshole nature.

>Phoenix/Dark Phoenix Saga, Days of Future Past, and God Loves Man Kills.
Funny.

There's individual storylines that are good, everyone actively shitting on it so much is just an exaggeration. Of the top of my head, the murder mystery, the riot and Magneto's final gambit are pretty cool, if you can understand that it's not really Magneto running the show but rather Sublime. Most people tend to hate that arc because of Mags acting out of character but we're told in the next storyline how Sublime works, so all harm to his character is fixed.

the only real complaint that can be levied is about the artwork. too many art teams and many weren't up to snuff. the nature of deadlines being what they are really sabotaged the true potential of this run.
anything else is
>not muh

Funny how?

Like Barney playing Krusty the Clown

What didn't you like about them?

I remember recommending this run to a friend and him coming back to me saying "Why is Beast gay? Wtf. This writer is trying to push his agenda onto the characters". Like, how do you not get why he says he's gay? They spell it out for you.

The needless wordiness and expository nature of the dialogue, the plot contrivances, the social commentary and pretty much every thing else. I understand what Claremont was going for, but I just wasn't enjoying it.

when it's over

It depends on how much you like Quentin Quire. If you find him to be insufferable and overpowered and too much of an author insert, then you probably won't enjoy this run.

Yeah. No point reading any X-Men then.

>social commentary
Social commentary in X-Men?? Whatttt? Seriously what did you expect?

There are far worse modern plot contrivances.

>needlessly wordy
you are a pleb that never read anything earlier than the 2000s aren't you?

I don't read capes from the last 30 years, with few exceptions.
>Seriously what did you expect?
Good comics. I knew commentary was there but I didn't like Claremont's version.
>you are a pleb that never read anything earlier than the 2000s aren't you?
Most of my favorite comics are from the late 70's to mid 90's.

>>Recently watched Dark Phoenix for the first time while tripping balls
You'd have to be to enjoy that dumpster fire.

If you didn't like it from the first issue you probably won't ever like it.

yeah I think you should just give up on the xmen. The things you don't like about it are the prime reasons of appeal for them.

Issue 1

Xorni s magneto is worst part of this whole run.
It doesn't get good, but it never really he's bad either.

I'm a huge Morrison fag and even I have to admit this run was so so.

When you acquire taste

The Sublime out retroactively kills everything setup about Sublime. His entire motivation is that he can't infect mutants, so enabling him to infect mutants makes everything else pointless. Literally all he'd need to do is get a telepath to take Kick and he's won.

It's pretty good right from the start, falters during the murder investigation and it's a blast all throughout Phantomex's and Xorn's arcs.

>Fantomex's arc
Misery porn attached to "do not like this cool character" isn't interesting in the slightest and kind of pretentious. Xorn never stops feeling like an asspull once the secret is revealed.

>Fantomex
>misery porn
Lay off the manga, weeb. It's no worse than Wolverine's.

Morrison was the moment when the X-Men fell into their slump they have not escaped from.
When they went from Superheroes who were a bad racial or gay analogy in the hands of a bad writer into the Cool Club for Special People.
So fans & writer-fans could jerk off about how special they and the X-Men were oppressed by the Normies.
It's a self-indulgent power fantasy beyond the normal power fantasy of superhero comics.

Never forget that the majority of people are a little stupid.

Wonder how many of the haters actually read Morrison's dialogue instead of the lucas'd digital version though.

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Are there any more of these?

A few years after this run is over.

there is nothing good about that. go back to reading claremont. did you actually read all of the claremont run?

>no bad characters
Shut up faggot.

The late 70's/ early 80's. But I'd stop reading after Fall of the Mutants if I were you. Don't touch Morrison's toxic X-Men. And stay away from the countless mutant spin-offs out there.

>t. user who thinks she's the talented writer who can save garbage characters
Lol. You probably suck.

THis.

Oh, you really are one of these newfags who think "In Name Only" is fine. That isn't the nature of superhero comics at all, that's that nature of hacks like you who can't write characters properly. Bet you love cates and king.

What the fuck is this?

Just... why? Does reading really hurt people's train of thought that much, or did they really want to see that same repeating background of Hank's lab in full detail?

Censoring references to beastiality? Oh dear. That's not very progressive of you. Marvel.

Morrison BAD
Fox X-Men GOOD

if this is the worst of the changed dialogue I don't mind

A few years after you read it

Both pretty bad to be honest actually

*good

Morrison's stuff is at its best when the editors just let him do whatever the fuck he wants, and to be honest Marvel didn't let him do that with the X-Men.

OP here
Yeah I did, I mean not really I stopped right when the Muir Island story concluded, didn't read the 1991 title with Claremont and Lee because Claremont only wrote 3 issues and I told myself as soon as Claremont ends I'm jumping straight to modern X Men

It's more like he skips the useless bullshit most writers pad pages with. I appreciate it. God knows I don't need someone to hold my hand and recap everything every single issue.

>it's not bad because people did it all the time
Nah. There's some dialogue heavy books that do it right, but a lot of American comics vomit words for the sake of it.

I just caught up on House of X and Power of X.

What is with the different timelines? What do you guys think of the series? I am enjoying it immensely.

>It's more like he skips the useless bullshit most writers pad pages with.
Like "what happened to the fuckhuge sentinel that devastated Genosha"?

Rightfully so, those are utterly shitty stories, Skip to the part right after Byrne leaves or a bit further ahead when Paul Smith takes up the penciling duty. If you don't like those parts, you will never enjoy x-men, period.
By the way you should read x-men for the melodrama part, not social commentary because no comic book writter is competent enough to tackle with those subjects

All they need to do with the social commentary is point out the dindu nuffin mutants having no good points and the "government is experiment on us goddammit" mutants having good points. There that's the black side taken care of.

As for the gay puberty shit, I've got nothing. That never made any goddamn sense and I'm a fucking degenerate too.

The digital one I have has the original dialogue.

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I don't remember ever seeing the changed one.

It's fantastic- as u may already know drop in to the storytime threads for some good theories and explanations and stuff. I really appreciate what he's doing here, very complex and involved yet also just a simple new direction.

I have the ultimate collection and the dialogue is as it should be.