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Al Capp raped Goldie Hawn

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Calvin&Hobbes, Garfield, and Peanuts are basically the only comic strips that have mattered to ANYBODY in nearly 30 years.Talk about a dead medium, but at least Gary Larson seems to be doing something again.

I mean, animation shows and comic *books* come and go-- Tiny Toons is forgotten at this point as well as classic Looney Tunes for fuck's sake.

I kind of think if more people would give old newspaper strips a chance they'd like them. They are more like manga than modern comics are. They're in black and white, they have that serialized, well-paced style of storytelling whereas comics just write for the trade...

The real issue is many of them are highly based around contemporary events, especially satire like Lil Abner. They'd require a lot of context to read.

Apart from interest for antiquity's sake, I feel like Segar's Popeye and Walt Kelly's Pogo are probably the two that really hold up to timelessness, but I'd love to be proven wrong and there are more that can stand the test of time...

>Al Capp raped Goldie Hawn

but he didn't kill her. That is worth noting.

>As well as classic looney tunes
He doesn't know

Buz Sawyer is one of those comics that could come out today and still be the best comic of the year imo. Roy Crane is a master of nonverbal storytelling, which means a lot of the problems people have with old comics aren't present (no meanwhiles, no excessive narration, no unnecessary dialogue) and his art is beautiful.

It's too bad it looks like Fantagraphics gave up reprinting it.

How did he manage that with one leg?

>In her autobiography, American actress Goldie Hawn stated that Capp sexually propositioned her on a casting couch and exposed himself to her when she was nineteen years old. When she refused his advances, Capp became angry and told her that she was "never gonna make anything in your life" and that she should "go and marry a Jewish dentist. You'll never get anywhere in this business."[34][35] Two biographies, one about Goldie Hawn and the other about Grace Kelly, describe Capp as trying to force Hawn and Kelly into sex.[36]

We still talk about those sometimes. The last two, at least.

no one ever storytimes it

Shazam/Captain Marvel

The movie was great and it did pretty well but it was very much a public reintroduction when he used to be a household name.

That'd be pretty hard, I imagine. They're around halfway done with the hardcovers, so that'll be another decade before anyone can scan them, and I don't think there's anywhere online hosting the full series.

Do people still talk about Hey Arnold?
I know the movie came out recently but I really never see any discussion

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Most of them are out of print at this point too and there's no way I'm cutting up mine to scan them

>They are more like manga than modern comics are. They're in black and white, they have that serialized, well-paced style of storytelling whereas comics just write for the trade...

They are, it's why I thought it's funny that there's such a huge divide in the way comic books and comic strips are done, over the decades.

I imagine they'll see a resurgence in popularity once many of them start falling into the Public Domain over the next couple of decades, as that will make it easier to distribute them more widely

That reminds me Hanna-Barbera also used to be a prominent back in the 60's to maybe around the 90's (before WB bought them). Scooby-Doo is the only one of those properties to be used regularly since, with maybe Flintstones a distant second place.

That's true, I think the 40's fandom was partly what kept memory of him alive during the 50's and 60's when he wasn't published, and the 70's revival + 70's TV show and 80's cartoon probably helped keep him in the public eye a little while longer, but by the 90's, 00's, and 10's he was probably only known by the comics crowd (and anybody that watched some cartoons like Justice League or Brave and the Bold or those DC Animated movies). It was a pretty bad sign when I saw loads of "Shazam" DC Classics figures shelfwarming back in like 2009/2010 (and this was back when Brave and the Bold was airing, mind you).

I think the biggest, biggest issue with comic strips was that very few were willing to reprint all of them and keep them in print. Even back in the 20th century, most books didn't collect everything. There were Peanuts digests that collected a few comics (it was only when Fantagraphics started collecting everything that we saw a helluva lot more). Bloom County books back then didn't collect all the comics either (they didn't get fully collected till IDW did their books). It was only maybe when Garfield got reprinted that there was a book series that printed every single comic and stayed in print. After that Calvin and Hobbes and maybe Far Side. Anybody know of any other comic strip that collected everything and kept the volumes in print during the 20th century?

I'm actually getting nostalgic for Maggie-posting even though I fucking hated it.

>Calvin&Hobbes, Garfield, and Peanuts are basically the only comic strips that have mattered to ANYBODY in nearly 30 years
Forgot Dilbert.

I'd say:

Calvin and Hobbes
Garfield
Peanuts
Far Side
Dilbert

Arguably maybe Doonesbury (but its major period was probably 70's and 80's), maybe Boondocks (but it debuted late in the 90's when comic strips started to get less prominent and got far more success when it got animated).
Maybe For Better or For Worse (people wrote in about how sad they were when Farley died, people in the 00's were screaming about Anthony). I wanted to say Bloom County but its major popularity was before 1989, and even though he brought the comic back three times (Outland, Opus, 2010's Bloom County webcomic), it's not as big as it was back then, but it still has a following.

Then there are the comic strips that internet snarkers like shitting on because they're easy targets, like Cathy or Funky Winkerbean. Garfield too, to some extent. In some ways they're still getting attention even if it's the wrong kind of attention.

Why is there something so sad about old pieces of art being forgotten to time

Boomerang probably did more damage to Hanna-Barbera's legacy than anything else since it shifted all of those properties from the more visible network to a smaller one with less reach that devoted less and less airtime to that library as time went by.

I wonder how things would have turned out if Turner had pulled off that purchase of CBS; Ted probably still would have went on a buying spree later on for content but it probably would have been prominently featured on CBS.

Never thought about it, but this is correct. So is wanking and milking an ip just natural behaviour to keep it in talk.

guy sounds pretty based

Commies are erasing America's entire history as we speak. Not just some comic.

>The female who is a torn in the side of the mc is named 'Nuicanseta'
It was a better time.

So let's settle this, did Frazetta draw Li'l Abner better than its creator Al Capp ?

>In her autobiography, American actress Goldie Hawn stated that Capp sexually propositioned her on a casting couch and exposed himself to her when she was nineteen years old.
To the surprise of absolutely no one, Al Capp was jewish...

as a kid currently spending way to much trying to get all the dick tracy hardcover books, i can say the commitment hurts

Guess there are alot of old thing that dont survive times if taste or culture changes.

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>Arguably one of the most influential comic strips of all time
>Now regulated to the dust heap of history

Feels bad man.

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You can thank DC for that. They fucking murdered that comic.

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>Who's Dick Tracy?
>WHOAH Dick Tracy's the shit!

Yeah, he used to flat out be one of marvel's biggest names. But after the FF-embargo of the last decade the whole team seems to have been forgotten. Slot's latest run feels less like a continuation of things and something closer to a self proclaimed "fan" trying to remember what a typical FF story was like.

The sunday funnies as a whole have just utterly been erased from pop culture because we've been recycling Garfield and Peanuts strips for 30 years. Despite this, King Features has done nothing to promote their brands whatsoever. The most they've done is shell out a few pennies for that crap new Popeye cartoon.

Why read Lil Abner when Pogo did everything it did better?

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Same thing happened to just about every one of the MGM cartoon characters aside from Tom and Jerry. They were all marched into the library and locked in for seemingly decades. When's the last time Droopy fully showed up in anything? Like 1992?

The demise of a lot of these kinds of strips can ultimately be blamed on the lack of family oriented living in America. The current generations don't want to have families,not hard to see why something like Blondie or the Flintstones wouldn't be appreciated. Speaking of which, how many Sunday comics have been lost to the sands of time? The Flintstones used to have one back in the 60s, and as far as I know, neither they nor the Charlton comics library been reprinted.

You can blame it all on the success of that old Disney film. The director of that was so protective of Tracy, that he essentially refuses to do anything with the rights. I think he had to make a thirty minute special and air it on hbo in the early 2000s just to keep said rights infact. I will say this, I think another good example of death by inaction is the green hornet. Outside of dynamite, the character was virtually dead for 40 years until that God awful Sony film.

Plastic man, JSA,the Charlton heroes and a lot of DC acquisitions can be placed in this same box too. We barely see any of them. I always say, DC is sitting on a goldmine, and until the batwank ceases we will never get to see any of these characters. I wish DC would try to live without batwank for 5 years, because they could totally do it. But the modern writers are such batfags, they just cant.

>initiating a console war when the general appreciation of all things should be encouraged
Bumping with Alley Oop, one of my favorite Sunday funnies, who died by the hand of obscurity

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Reminder, Kirby worked on a Black hole Sunday strip in late 1980 after leaving marvel for a second time to go into animation.

Forgot pic

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Warren Beatty directed, produced and starred in it. It’s like extreme fanboyism.

There we go, I couldn't recall his name off the top of my head. I've heard talk of a similar situation with Sam Raimi and the shadow. He's held onto those rights with a death grip for over thirty years now, ever since the Alec Baldwin picture is my understanding.

DC would literally die if they did 5 years without batwank

Shame

We do but this is about outside of here. In fairness though there was like a whole period between when Dark Horse stopped publishing The Shadow (I think around 1995) and when Dynamite started publishing The Shadow (I think around 2012), that it seemed like they didn't do anything with The Shadow or Doc Savage, other than the pulps getting reprinted. That's more than a decade and a half, and enough for people to quickly forget.

And this brings up another thing
Warren Beatty held on to the film rights (and there was a lot of complicated stuff that prevented anything outside of the comic strip from being made). I think something got resolved in the last few years because now IDW is publishing all-new Dick Tracy comic books, which wasn't possible a few years ago. Since there wasn't really much new material outside of the comic strip from 1990 to 2018, that's why the character might've been almost forgotten.

But at least Dick Tracy had new material out in the comic strip, even if newspaper readership (and comic strips) were in decline during the 00's and 10's. Between 1995 and 2012 I don't think there was actually new Shadow stuff. Or at least, nothing that I can think of that would've had a larger audience than 00's/10's newspapers.

>Frazetta draw better than
Yes, the answer is always yes
The last Italian Master

Sonuvabitch you're right.
More of a crusty fuck you got mine type that lost th progressive crowd as he got older though.

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From what I read, this series lost appeal when Abner and his gf got married. Capp becoming increasingly Conservative in the 1960s didn't help either.

I wouldn't say that was forgotten. Morelike it got a hatedom that's been unintentionally keeping it alive. Yea Forums was probably the only place I've seen where there were actually people who liked it and actually read through much of it. I believe people on the Son of Stuck Funky blog actually read through much of it but its audience hates it.

It's never even been properly reprinted. I really would like to read Alley Oop but it's always just a story here or there that gets reprinted.

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The only reason I know about this comic is that there's a WW2 Sherman tank in my hometown called "Holy Roller" that was originally called "Hairless Joe", after a character from L'il Abner. It was actually one of two tanks in the world to survive from D-Day to the end of the war.

Based Capp showing that hypocrite wifebeater who's boss

Al Capp was a massive perv and creep.

>Arguably maybe Doonesbury (but its major period was probably 70's and 80's)
Too political and not universally appealing to everyone.

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But DC *has* done a lot with them. Maybe not at this moment, but throughout the '80s and '90s and '00s.

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Every attempt to revive the Flintstones has fallen flat.

>There were Peanuts digests that collected a few comics
That was intentional. There were a lot of strips Schulz didn't consider worth reprinting, so the collection books published when he was alive were basically Best-Ofs.

They did the movie. Nickelodeon complained that kids didn't go to see it only adult manchildren who watched the show back then.

Wasn’t this referenced in strong bad email?

Anyone have any recs to good but more obscure comic strips? In the vein (but not necessarily genre) of Prince Valiant.

Terry and the Pirates/Steve Canyon and Wash Tubbs/Captain Easy/Buz Sawyer

I used to get the Sunday paper on the way to a leisurely breakfast and read the funnies and try to keep up with Prince Valiant.

I quit getting the newspaper because fewer and fewer convenience stores were carrying it. The clerks would say that they were late (at 9 am) when deliveries like that are made well before sunrise. It was obvious that they were lying to me and didn't want to admit that they were not carrying the newspaper anymore.

Is there a good website to keep up with the newspaper comics?

Isnt that known for being the inspiration for Sadie Hawkins Dances?

Little bit before that. FF suffered in the 90s when all comics had to be super hardcore extreme and the FF were seen as the G-rated Full House gang of Marvel.

Well yea, Peanuts and Garfield are used to sell almost anything. It's real easy to slap a Garfield or Snoopy face on something and sell it for a few pennies more. And maintain recognition from it.

Bloom County was pretty big in the 80s. Fox Trot was kind of big n the 90s, the books were not uncommon. But apart from what you also mentioned that's really about it.

I don't think I have ever seen a BC, Wizard of Id, Hagar, or Cathy book before.

Prove me wrong.

Protip: You can't.

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Seems like the ones that were huge in the 80s like Doonsbury and Bloom County were very political or very pop culture centric, specifically 80s. Nonstop Reagan jokes or comments on Iran over and over again. Pretty sure Bloom County spent a couple years making fun of Trump and Ivanka

I'm really not sure just what they expected when makaing a direct sequel to a show that was last on almost 20 years ago. No kinds know or care what it was, the only fans were people who saw it in their youth. It's kind of a hazard when continuing a very old series.

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I thought the brazilian Hagar books were chronological reprints but they're actually some sort of mysteriously curated best of. I'll bring them up anyways because at some point when they first showed up, they ranked amongst the fiction top sellers. Not tpbs, ogns or anything like that, it actually outsold most books for a few months (which is really strange because no one I know reads them).

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That's a shame, because I really like that angle of the Fantastic Four.

Al Capp said he wasn't "conservative" but that liberals (hippies) became popular so he always went against the grain. (attacking conservatives when they were popular)
That could just be Al being full of crap of course.

Yea but in the 90s no one cared about anyone that did not have ammo pouches, cyber parts, a leather jacket, and acted like a gritty antihero.

>forgetting about based Nancy
hows the reprints on these?

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Never forget Sluggo is lit

Aye.

My library has BC and Cathy and I've seen Wizard of Id.

I love the old Krazy kat cartoons

>/pol/
>for explaining something as simple as the collapse of the nuclear family being responsible for the demise of blondie and flintstones

The cartoons arguably miss the spirit of the comic.

There's a massive coffee table sized reprint of it from darkhorse. It's a big unwieldy behemoth, but it's worth it. Mine cost 20 bucks.

I don't think the FF have been the same since at least the 80s. The last decent writer they had before hickman was byrne.

Really? Where should I begin reading then?

Exactly. Anyone who speaks positively of Flinstones isn't/pol/ but if you say anything even remotely resembling the truth it's: /pol/!!!!!!!!&%!!!

I think it's pretty accurate. For all the shit he did he was a progressive man for his time. He campaigned to let women into the cartoonist's society at the time. And there is so much inversion of gender roles that goes on in Abner. Sadie Hawkins Day is the most hit-you-over-the-head example but you also have characters like Wolf Gal, Moonbeam McSwine, Stupefyin' Jones...who are out there taking what they want and not waiting for men to do it for them. And those short skirts... And this is all happening in McCarthyist America.

Capp's deal was to be subversive and make people laugh. He didn't count on hippies not having a sense of humor. The same thing is happening now with twitter leftists going against South Park.

I remember this was EVERYWHERE back in the late 90s. Nick was constantly airing episodes. Surprised there’s little to no nostalgia for it now.

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It was just really depressing seeing them get shat on and the punks and assholes never getting theirs, in retrospect.

>Punks

Those are greasers.

Blondie is terrible, that's why nobody cares about it anymore. There's no conspiracy.

I'm not sure that anybody even really liked it that much even back then just so much as it was on with a bunch of other shows everybody watched.

>Between 1995 and 2012 I don't think there was actually new Shadow stuff. That's more than a decade and a half, and enough for people to quickly forget.
The Shadow's popularity tends to come and go every decade, depending on whether or not there's new published material with him circulating. For this decade the highlight was 2012-2015 when Dynamite was actively publishing him, and now we've hit the recession period.
There wasn't any new material coming in the 00s, but the fandom was kept on life support because of the Baldwin movie, the resurging interest in superhero-related properties, and the Sam Raimi movie project that never happened. If I recall there were also PDFs of the pulps circulating that were shut down by Conde Nast.

The Shadow never really dies, but for now I think the fate of his popularity may rest not on whether or not Dynamite does another comic, but whether or not someone picks up the franchise for a movie/tv license. And that may depend on whether or not Shane Black's Doc Savage movie happens.

The Shadow, Zorro, Tarzan and Doc Savage are really the only pulp ones who managed to outlive the downfall of the pulp era (and even then I think Doc Savage is kinda dead in the water to new audiences)

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It's a piece of work someone made that millions enjoyed but in spite of that it was easily forgotten just because it wasn't thrown in your face 24/7