Man they dropped the ball hard

I thought HTTYD 2 was fine

Are you deaf and blind

Better than Ice Age 4

It's weird how Dreamworks just kind of fizzled out.

I only watched 1,2,3 how did 4 compare?

I know 1 was more comedic and about redeeming Diego.
2 & 3 were literally The Croods where they have a time limit to escape the apocalypse, together with character problems.

it's amazing how they kept repeating the "escape the apocalypse" plotline for every sequel

4 felt like a rushed hackneyed job about father daughter issues and family shit. Significant quality drop in every aspect. Just unnecessary.

Thanks to them being bought by Universal Pictures and now being overseen by the fag who runs Illumination by keeping it as cheap as possible

Oh come on now, the first two Shrek films are fucking classics.

>we want the Chinese audience, delayed specifically to some dead season so it can earn some decent money
>thunder stolen by Zootropolis

The cow was kinda entertaining but that's about it for the good

Those responsible for the bland covers with "protagonist in front" need to be hanged.

Did Po and Tiger ever bang as promised by KFP2?

Sadly no.

>as promised
Fanfiction is not canon.

How would you guys have fixed it?

>chinese get upset at how good 1 and 2 were since all their own movies about their culture sucked
>demand to make it themselves

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Honestly I would have toned down the Pandas a little bit. If we're keeping them. Make them a bit more paranoid if they're so unaware of the outer world, but also way more interested in this warrior who defeated their literal Hitler equivalent.
Make it more about Po coming to terms with the fact that he *has* become the big name kung fu hero he always dreamed of. Involve the Five more along the way, and then set up the villain, not as some legendary badass...
But some young glory hungry up and coming. He's gunning for Po, the guy who took down Tai Lung, the Dragon Warrior of Black and White who's larger than live and killed Shen. He wants to be a legend, and he wants to do it over Po's dead body.
Structure it a bit like a Rocky flick. Po loses the first fight, or maybe has a draw? I dunno, and he and the Five go on a training journey and find the Pandas, etc. Have it be a half and half thing of Po training for the rematch with the Five, give them some character, and digging into the Pandas and all that shit. Use them both to play up the theme and core concept that Po's taken his place in this crazy world of Kung Fu he loves so much.
Also Po and Tigress finally bang.

The thing about Kung Fu Panda 1 and 2 was they were almost the perfect examples of marrying the theme and the narrative. The way Po beats the enemies in 1 and 2 comes down to him knowing and accepting the fundamental morals of the films and applying them in combat. For 1, it's there is no secrete ingredient and you have to build on what you can do. Po's not actually the perfect warrior, but he was the right warrior to defeat Tai Lung. For 2, it's that the past is gone and you need to accept how things are. 2 is a bit less cohesive, but it's easy to marry the acceptance of the past with being in tune enough with the universe to redirect things with Kung Fu. These give Po the confidence and skill to overcome the villains who are too blinded by their petty, personal desires to accept the moral. It was also a nice touch that in both of these movies, it's Po's dad, Mr. Ping, already knows and dispenses these lessons. It's a great way of showing that Po's, and the setting's, lessons and wisdom come from more than just ancient Kung Fu secrets. And making the otherwise sidelined in the plot Mr. Ping have a bit more weight and significance to him.

3 had the pieces, but they never came together. The theme is ostensibly about training, but the skill is magic chi shit. Unlike 1 and 2, the Kung Fu skills don't logically build on the moral lessons. So the movie is ultimately disjointed and unsatisfying. Po getting bullshit Chi power never feels earned, because it has little to do with his character growth directly, unlike the other movies. The villain also wasn't as compelling.

I appreciated that in a way the Villain had shades of mirroring Po in that he was just as much of a titanic fucking Kung Fu nerd though, that was nice. They should have doubled down on that.

Better late than never.

Since the ostensible character growth was meant to be Po teaching, perhaps they should have leaned more into that. With Kai being the kind of person who just likes hoarding knowledge and locking it away from everyone else, lording it over them. He even collects the other masters like hobby figures in the movie, so you could have him doing stuff like that. Maybe not as jade zombie mooks, though. Meanwhile Po has all this trivial Kung Fu knowledge but has never really applied it when it comes to his skills.

So you have Kai going after these scrolls or artifacts and destroying them after he's got his own copies and Po is able to recognize what he's after and even some of the plans and techniques he's using from his Kung Fu encyclopedic knowledge and needs to develop the skills to both actually pass on what he knows beyond just geeking out and rambling and instilling in others a desire to learn about things.

It's something, I guess.

Now China tries to make animation and every studio wants Chinese money.

It's a horrible period for us.

It's a decent watch

poor writing, a ham-fisted estranged father and son plot thread, an emphasis on mystical king fu magic (which is either super creative or super retarded), China having such a heavy investment,and thus control, of the production, appeasing the Chinese market, and doubling down on the 'chosen one' angle that both 1 and 2 specifically advocated against.

it's a shame because 1 and 2 are so good.

They were scared 2 was too dark and edgy so they made sure the mood was significantly lighter and the villain be comically evil and a fat blob so nobody would sympathize or be attracted to him like Tai Lung and Shen

Oh. Moms complained.

As usual.

agreed, second film was my favorite and shen was amazing

>The theme is ostensibly about training
Ohhh. I never even realized. All I got from it was "fat panda shenanigans lol"

The villain was her just because they needed a villain.
If there wasn't the movie wouldn't have changed.
I don't know you but I don't think this movie needed a villain after all.
But if it really needed it how would you make it?

>poor pacing in the first half, felt like it was on fast foward
>way too much focus on comedy, lacked the balance of humor and seriousness the first two had
>Furious 5 had little to no involvement, too much focus on funny panda shenanigans
>Villain was too underdeveloped, we never got more insight into his relationship with Oogway and why he turned evil the way he did
>Po himself was way too goofy and has little to none of his character development carry over from 2

All that said, I still enjoyed it.

Tai Lung was intimidating up to the point he faced Po, who didn't even struggle to defeat him with his body fat and asspull insta-kill secret technique he figured out on his own.

But the scene were Tai Lung confronts and accuse Shifu of what he did to him was intense as fuck

>poor pacing in the first half, felt like it was on fast foward
I mean, the same can be said about 2. They literally introduce Shen killing this Rhino guy, then immediately get Shifu telling "Go to the city and save Kung Fu!" to Po and the furious five.

But that was 5 minutes.
KFP 3 was like that for 30 minutes

I know. As i said, he was intimidating until Po showed up and solved a decades old problem in about five minutes without breaking a sweat.

Ah, then I agree

The sequel fixed that with Po vs Shen.
There was a funny moment just before the fight, but the rest was intense and metal as fuck

i don't know what's worse, fate literally shitting on tai lung (strongly implied he was on the receiving end of po's butt during the stairs tumble) or he kept insisting on doing the nerve strike attack despite po being immune.

china

Speaking of the Five, I don’t know whether to be upset or glad that none of them appear in the Amazon series.

>i don't know what's worse, fate literally shitting on tai lung (strongly implied he was on the receiving end of po's butt during the stairs tumble) or he kept insisting on doing the nerve strike attack despite po being immune.
Do you have the video?

>there is no secret ingredient it’s just you
>po is chosen to defeat shen by a fucking prophecy
>also po is a member of a species that taught fucking oogway chi