Thoughts on Movie Steven? A step forward or a step back?

Thoughts on Movie Steven? A step forward or a step back?

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It's a step.

It balances his natural empathy with some actual tiredness which makes sense since he's physically and mentally a teenager now. Good step forward.

undeniably a step forward. Hope he's kept that way for S6

I like the design, I like the voice, I liked him how he was at the start but it's clear the rejuvenator reverted more than his powers because he went through the same mistakes and bad traits he used to have in the early show. But when he regained them, he went back to being great. I'd like to see him again but in his element, like he was in the final fight.

Mature Steven is less fun and less creative. Young Steven could have come up with the way to restore everyone's memory on his own. Mature Steven had to hear the solution from reset Spinel, which is telling because reset Spinel's behavior is basically season one Steven.

It's a culmination of the series so far, so it's a stepping stone in that the series can only go forward from here.

Towards the garbage bin

Why?

If you really have to ask then you are part of the problem m8

Which problem? There’s like a bunch

I hope we see some lazy teen Steven who just wants to sit on his ass and be normal and gets really pissed off when the monster of the week shows up and deals with it in seconds so he can get back to doing nothing

I want this version of him tied up and raped by Azula

Not enough steps, he's still fat.

Stepping forward isn't really necessary.

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Why?

Not the quoted user, but-
>Wrapping up the whole gem/diamond conflict with "lol, just stop."
>Introducing a world shattering plot hole in the form of a weapon that factory resets gems. That's apparently been around since the war, effectively making the whole war/corruption nuke pointless.
>Sweeping thousands of years of intergalactic genocide and planet conquering under the rug for quirky, overbearing aunts
>Lobotomizing and nerfing the cast in order to force the plot to happen, ie:
-The gems act like they've never been in a fight before when facing Spinal the first time cause "lol, rusty" but by the end, with no further training/warming up, they're back to peak form and rightfully manhandling Spinal like the "villain of the week" fodder gem she is.
-Connie's written out entirely so the conflict doesn't end right off the bat
-Steven just forgets he has the diamonds and all of homeworld's resources on speed dial and doesn't end the conflict right when it starts
-An underpowered Steven was able to begin lifting the gem injector (which wasn't buried that deep by the way) but a full power Lapis, who back when her gem was crack, was able to use all of the water in the ocean to make a space elevator, isn't able to rip it out.
>"But Peridot said-"
Steven was able to slowly begin pulling it out without much issue, there's no reason Lapis doing the same thing, but faster, can't work.

So yeah, a pretty massive step back.

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the only good that has come out of the movie, and honestly the show in general, is spinel

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The parts of the show are better than the whole, but that feels like my opinion of everything from the last ten years or so.

>No Connie
That was the best part

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The point was moving it at ALL would accelerate the thing you mongo. You think you're being smart by nitpicking but really you're just as cringey as any of those cunts on Youtube making video essays.

Imagine making Steven mature when Sugar will be sure to never put Steven in a real situation like Bismuth. Its going to be a waste of character if the movie told us something

You can tell he's done with the magical destiny shit. I wouldn't be surprised if the epilogue shows him being a stay at home dad with a small gig.

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And yet after it was moved "at all" several times it didn't cause it to instantly inject everything, meaning there's room for error.

I think of the movie as a transition point, Rebecca mentioned consequences in an interview about the movie, I just wanna see more showings of Steven’s power

The movie was honestly everything good about the series and actually reminded me that I really like it. It's just unfortunate this was a small thing and it'll be drowned out by endless hiatuses.

Sugar does love Reverse Escapism

Dear God why is the evil version so hot looking compared to the tiny wussy annoying overly happy.....

You just prefer slutty makeup.

I wish they'd just complete their weeabo obsession and give him a pompadour already.

I wish they'd do something to warn their weeb reference obsession. Garnet and ESPECIALLY Peridot aren't fit to ape gurren lagann, they didn't do anything even slightly related to those characters.

You’re probably a little edgy

This version would stand up for himself though and is also much stronger than azula

This version of him could very easily shatter her spine. Probably without even meaning to.

She will rip off his panties and shove her strap-on inside him while he cries

I don't think Azula could really touch this dude, she can shoot fire sure but she's just a normal human who can shoot fire. Whatever kinky shit is going down it's going to have to be consensual

Would Steven be into pegging?

I’m just glad his voice actor doesn’t have to do the high pitched whiny child voice anymore. I can only imagine that has to hurt after a while.

Doubt it.

Being pegged yes

Stop shilling this ship

I'm not but I'd say its moreso cause the normal Spinel looks and acts like an actual child. Gross seeing anyone here talking about how hot they find that version of her

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by far the best thing Sugar has written, such a shame the animation and music will never be this good ever again. I wouldn't dare call this shit a "good show" as a whole, but the movie is decent enough.

A large step forward from what they were doing. I was kinda getting sick of all the homeworld politics. It was nice to go back to a more personal story that actually involved the gems as more than just glorified body guards and a more back to basics trauma driven villain. Plus Steven's new age is used well with his aging up voice actor and more maturity.

I will admit though, I don't think we'll get as many great little animations and songs again. That's a product of movie money and getting all the best storyboarders back together on one giant consistent product.

True

No

>because reset Spinel's behavior is basically season one Steven.
Nope, not even a little. They both like games, that's it.

forward

Spinel should be friendly to herself

>wappah
Ew.

>Okay yeah I agree that's still pretty dumb
>I mean, using a super weapon to single handedly stop a war is 10x more effective then having hundreds to thousands of gems wield a weapon that most likely requires a lot of power and resources to actually make
>Once again I agree that's pretty dumb
>Personally I write that down to Spinel just not being an effective fighter when she actually takes things seriously compared to when she first met them and was basically just fucking around but I am on the fence with that
>Okay yeah I don't really get why they pretty much wrote Connie out of the movie I'll give you that
>I don't really see the issue with this? Steven is not the warmongering type and often resorts to peacefully solving problems rather than violence when it comes to sentient beings. Not to mention the diamonds are still kind of new to that and Spinel is a single gem threat. There is also the fact that he may have needed his gem powers to actually contact the diamonds or use the warp pads effectively and whatnot, which as we know were nerfed mostly throughout the movie (and this isn't even taking into account other conflicts that are happening at once. Steven is not only human but also a teenager who's endured peace for a long time and wasn't prepared for a lot of this shit)
>what said

I don't think this show is as bad as everyone makes it out to be, and while I do think the movie and show has flaws a half of your points come off just as nitpicky as those autists that make 2 hour long rant videos on the show or the entirety of the SU Critical community

They’re both a little extra

did you pay attention to the bit where it slammed into the earth and poisoned beach city during the fight or were you distracted by something shiny in the corner?

He just needs a challenge now, nothing like completely changing his values but something that only shows how strong his beliefs really are.

>Introducing a world shattering plot hole in the form of a weapon that factory resets gems. That's apparently been around since the war, effectively making the whole war/corruption nuke pointless.
They're a weapon that disappeared before the war even started, probably because the diamonds realized they could be used against them, and I highly doubt it would just magically fix corruption, and that even if they could that would be the ideal thing to do to these gems anyways.

In terms of design, it's a massive step forward. But holy shit was he an asshole in this movie.

>I mean, using a super weapon to single handedly stop a war is 10x more effective then having hundreds to thousands of gems wield a weapon that most likely requires a lot of power and resources to actually make
user, this goes far and beyond that, this weapon is literally game changing. There are tons of questions that it brings up here. Why didn't anybody think about using this weapon on the Diamonds? It clearly works on them since it worked on Steven. How come we never saw this kind of weapon before in the actual show? Despite encountering HW numerous times? What's the point of the Diamonds shattering their own when they can just hit them with that thing? Especially when they're supposedly "starved for gem resources" like Peridot claims?

The weapon's mere existence is retarded and completely undermines the rest of the show. It's exactly like the Gem Artifacts from season. It's clearly made for the sake of the immediate plot but introduces a metric fuckton of plotholes

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>They're a weapon that disappeared before the war even started
Then where the fuck did Spinel get it from?

Considering everyone gets their memories back in under a day I think the reason we haven't seen it before is that it sucks ass.
It is still awful of the show to introduce such a powerful category of weapons so late in the story but it not being used by the gem empire does make sense since everyone they revert with it would have been regaining their rebellious nature once they get a vague reminder. While also possibly being considered still loyal to the diamonds.
The rejuvenator is nothing more than a huge security risk to the diamonds that should only be used on rare era one gems if at all.

>Considering everyone gets their memories back in under a day I think the reason we haven't seen it before is that it sucks ass.
The only reason that was even able to happen was because Steven was going out of his way to jumpstart their memories. It's literally plot contrivance in the form of Hollywood Amnesia. On most other cases it shouldn't work like that.

But even then, it just begs the question of where the hell did Spinel even find it if the Diamond's supposedly got rid of it? The giant drill I can buy lying around, but her getting the rejuvenator immediately is beyond retarded.

He'd be better without that shitty varsity jacket.

The ending with the tuxedos and clapping was cringe.

>Steven is not the warmongering type and often resorts to peacefully solving problems rather than violence when it comes to sentient beings.
What does that have to do with anything? All he had to do was warp to the Diamonds after the first fight with Spinel's Gem and the Rejuvenator and the entire plot would've been resolved.

> There is also the fact that he may have needed his gem powers to actually contact the diamonds or use the warp pads effectively and whatnot
He used them several times after he was hit by the Rejuvenator. Hell, it was how he was even able to get to the garden to begin with.

How long does it take to warp to homeworld and back? They were on a time limit.
Besides, Peridot, Lapis and Bismuth might have sent someone off screen (you know when Steven tries to mess with the drill and they're like "you think we haven't tried already?) And they never actually got to contact the diamonds that way because they were already traveling towards the Earth on their ship.
These are the only justifications I can find.

>How long does it take to warp to homeworld and back?
Clearly not that long, we see him teleport away from them at the start of the movie.

>Besides, Peridot, Lapis and Bismuth might have sent someone off screen (you know when Steven tries to mess with the drill and they're like "you think we haven't tried already?) And they never actually got to contact the diamonds that way because they were already traveling towards the Earth on their ship.
Eh, that seems like a pretty big stretch. They can still contact them if they were on the ship, like what Peri did during the Cluster arc.

I wanna suck his dick

The last episode threw the show down a chasm, it was inevitable the movie was going to be a step down.

The biggest problem with that plot thread was that they showed that Spinel only found out that Pink wasn't coming back at the start of the movie, about a day before she showed up. If they had showed something from earlier in the series or pre-series that would make more sense since she would have had like 5 years or more.

He's as completely fucking retarded as he ever was. It took that stupid shit like an hour to remember that Peridot, Lapis, and Bismuth existed despite having visited them that very morning.

Well, yeah. Steven is now a little more mature and i hope most conflicts wont be solved with solely singing and dancing.

pink goes well with steven

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Their epretty forgettable tbqh

Azula is only attracted to people who look like her brother

>Clearly not that long, we see him teleport away from them at the start of the movie.
How do you know how long that took?

I liked it a lot!

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She's not evil but broken hearted and pissed off.

what Gems are the Heaven and Earth Beatles?
also, has anyone lewded them yet?

Do not lewd.

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Why not?

Because they'll never find a body.

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Steven has spent two years as a space diplomat. He's presumably helped write a new constitution, aided in transitioning radical societal changes, etc. Peace has lulled him into complacency, but otherwise this is a perfect fit for him, a leader that doesn't want to lead. And a teenage human that's on his way to being a decent adult.

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The worst part of the movie was the lack of consequence, but that's SU for you.

The whole "This gigapoison will destroy the world if it's all released! Oh no, it's all released! Oh, steven kissed it better haha." was just a joke.

They could have at least had a throw away line saying "Oh yeah since it was all splurged out at once it didn't sink into the planet so all life won't be destroyed, Beach City will just be a toxic wasteland."

Honestly the best solution that would both be impactful and fitting, Steven kisses the earth, it works, a tiny bit, maybe he can kiss it all better but what about the ground more than a foot deep, is he going to dig down and kiss the next layer? It will take years and the goo is spreading faster than he can do that.

If only they had a massive well of Pink-Diamond Healing Juice just sitting around, oh wait, they do. They realise that Steven kissing it better is impractical then they get the idea of the fountain and run over, smashing it open so that all the pink healing water seeps into the ground to counter the purple biotoxin.

They have to sacrifice something relevant to undo the disaster which gives the disaster impact. No more fountain, it's not the end of the world but it's a consequence made.

If steven can just fucking kiss EVERYTHING better then whats the point of the entire series, is there any weapon that can be pulled out that can't just be fixed with a little peck. He already trumps out exterminatus-level biotoxins.

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Death isn’t really an issue for him anymore, at least not his own.

I don't really mind it, but yeah they kinda gloss over what really happened with all that pink shit that is definitely much deeper in the ground already.

That being said, I get the impression that Rose's lacrimal essence is generated by gem tech mixed with fuckin alive flowers or whatever, and it can't be transported away from all that makes that area special.

Sure...

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>Reverse Escapism
And shipping her with a teenage steve no less

She's been standing there for 6,000 years according to the movie.

>he an asshole in this movie
Enough with this meme. Like you would handle it any better.

>being happy and playful is childish

A firm stand in the same place. Honestly if you don't like "lard fem-boy and lesbian rocks: teach gay shit", this movie won't change that, it's more of the same

Depends on what you guys want. Do you want edginess for your tumblr show? There's plenty of room for it. Pink Diamond is like making a proactive effort to be Mom of the year to Jonas Venture's father.

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>Steven just wants to fuck Connie but constantly gets cockblocked by gem bullshit

How is Movie Steven edgy?

The plot is more edgy with Spinel being like a human jurassic bark. Though from what snippets I've seen Movie Steven is more done with people's shit.

"Where the fuck did Spinel get it from?" Is my only real issue with the movie. The rejuvinator is one thing but the huge, organic-destroying injector that could warp all the way to Earth is a massive plot point for me. How did she find that weapon in that time of peace? How did she make it so only she could control it and not the technologically advanced Peridot? How did she do all this completely undetected by any other gems that would probably have wanted to stop her? And how did she find it in what I assume was that day?

Personally I'd have loved to have seen even the tiniest amount of detail filling in the gap from her finding out to getting to Earth. I don't think it kills the movie for me but it is very confusing.

Didn’t Rebecca say it was meant to emulate how Looney Toon characters would have giant bombs out of nowhere?

Yeah this is a good point. The diamonds took their ship to get to Steven but we have no clue how long it takes to warp from homeworld to Earth. They kind of glossed over it, which is a bummer because if they set up a time in universe then it'd give more plausibility to Spinel getting those weapons in such a quick manner.

I also agree it would've been nice if they showed Spinel finding out sooner. If she heard she died, then she could've been plotting revenge on the Earth the whole time. But when she finds out that she was alive and just ignoring her, that would've twisted her revenge to Steven and it would've kept the plot exactly the same but given her more build up.

I like the fountain idea a lot. Would've made sense and given some consequence the story since Spinel kind of gets off Scott free (which is dumb, she should've at least stayed to help clean up). Plus, that being one of the last remnants of his mom would've made for a touching scene, albeit a bit bitter as he reflects on her leaving Spinel out to dry.

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rate my spinel figurine

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If she did, that is by far the laziest justification for a massive plot point I've ever heard. Sure it's thematic but those cartoon bombs were almost exclusively used as gags. You can't justify a world ending plot device and say it's part of a bit. That's just lazy.

I don't believe she said that, I refuse to believe it.

Will see in my nightmares/10

I’d be willing to wager, from the colour scheme at least, that both were Pink’s that she just sort of left around (as she does)
That, or she told the harmless little Spinel how to open her toy box, thinking nothing of it.

Less edgy, more not himself. I've never been a fan of how Steven talks down all his enemies but at least it was consistent and fit with him being an all loving hero. He doesn't really do that in the movie, treating Spinel with less sympathy and understanding than anyone else in the series, even those that have arguably done worse. He ignores her blatant desire for friendship showing an uncharacteristic lack of empathy, doesn't even attempt to dissuade her from the idea that his efforts to bond with her were exclusively done to remove the injector, and offers her little accommodations after the issue was resolved (which is typified by him shaking her hand rather than hugging her by those who think this way). It's rather unlike the kid who made friends out of no less than 3 gems who tried to kill him at one point or another, and always tried to see the best in others despite their intentions or laundry list of atrocities.

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Personally, I really like the idea that it took Spinel like one afternoon at most to internalize what happened to her, swear revenge, come up with a plan, steal the rejuvenation and injector, and fly it to Earth. I think that comedic efficiency came across really well and its part of the reason she's so great

Frankly it seems he’s done. He wants to live a relatively normal life where people don’t want to kill him or the people he loves. Seems at the end he learns he’ll just have to live like that. Somewhat pessimistic for SU.

These are pretty good, though I have to wonder what kind of carnage she inflicted on the poor peons guarding the injector and rejuvenator.
We’re talking about an era-1 gem that can trade blows with Garnet and Peak Steven. It would have been a massacre.

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I don't know that sounds like her. Thinking more about the individual moments and less about the thread weaving them and then handwaving the finer details.

Looks like something from Trap Door.

I do think a Steven that's more pessimistic and exhausted can be fun and a step in the right direction for the rest of the series, but I don't think Spinel was a good guinea pig for it. Jasper or Lapis would have been better for that.

Now THAT'S a show.

THOTS on Movie Steven? Yeah, a lot of them were all over his dick.

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>Like you would handle it any better.
What, make him less of a jerk? That wouldn't even be remotely difficult, just have him act more like he did before.

>Jasper or Lapis would have been better for that.
With Lapis it would at least be justified. He's been doing nothing but showing her kindness and empathy only for her to backstab his friends repeatedly for it. Hell, Lapis is the actual toxic character in the show, they could've easily built her arc around that rather than ignoring that aspect entirely.

Doesn't matter. We can think of any number of ways she got that and the bio poison. It's not an impossible plot hole. Steven just doesn't know where she got it, and the show has always been from Steven's point of view. It adds nothing to the story to explain where she got those things.

He was having a terrible day and was too focused on fixing the situation. You can't blame him for not noticing or not doing more. He will hug her next time.

I think he meant you wouldn't handle it better than Steven if you were in his place.

>show starts with steven being raised by 3 lesbian moms
>show ends with steven's bones being jumped by 3 cock-starved milfs

storytelling at its finest

This would be better as a .gif that changed every 10 seconds

or just 2 seperate images desu

>It's not an impossible plot hole.
No, what makes it an impossible plot hole is the time frame it happened. She was able to hear Steven's story on loop, while simultaneously was able to plan this whole thing, pull the plot items right out of her ass, and was able to reach earth in the span of less than a day? A few hours even? This isn't fucking Phineas and Ferb. It makes zero sense and stretches suspension of disbelief to the breaking point.

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yes but back or foward?

Maybe she spent a few thousand years thinking
>what if she abandoned me to have fun with other friends?
>nah, can't be, she's coming back
>I'M GOING TO FUCKING KILL EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM FUCK YOU PINK FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
>can't wait for her to come back!!!
and the two items were just lying around, Pink forgot them there because she's dumb kek

It's a little strange. Space travel is pretty loose in this show, but the idea that this is some gapping plot hole is nothing more than the weird mentality Yea Forums has that a story now needs a direct explanation for everything in this endless game of gatcha you're trying to play. If it's easily imaginable how a character could do something, you can extrapolate the rest. You don't need endless kingdom hearts phone conversations going into the minutia or a Speedwagon explaining the exact power of every punch. Those are examples of bad story telling.

Even if there is a next time I don't think it's likely. We also have no idea whether or not the whole "he's having a bad day" excuse holds up, and won't until we see how he acts in season 6. And even then I don't see either option as a good thing. If it's consistent and he's more pessimistic I still think Spinel was a bad first time to show it. If it's not and this was just a one off instance of exhaustion then I don't care about the Watsonian explanation and think the crew made mistake making him act colder to Spinel than Lapis, the Diamonds, and possibly Jasper.

I don't need explanations for everything you idiot, I just need things to be at least be consistent. Even in a vacuum, the fucking plot holes are all over the place in this movie and actively contradict things it tries to set up.

>You don't need endless kingdom hearts phone conversations going into the minutia or a Speedwagon explaining the exact power of every punch
So you'd rather have absolutely zero thought about the plot instead? Just mindless drivel you'd bend over backwards to justify anyway?

I fucking love how fed up he is with gemshit

It's horrifying, but I love it in a strange, derpy way.

46.7 divided by the square root of 7, multiplied by the sum total of miles around the earth/40000

He turned into a self-absorbed, selfish asshole, so pretty realistic depiction of what happens when kids turn 16.

I honestly 100% believe you don't know what a plot hole is

What an asshole for reacting poorly to some random psychopath showing up to kill him and all his friends.

>She was able to hear Steven's story on loop, while simultaneously was able to plan this whole thing, pull the plot items right out of her ass, and was able to reach earth in the span of less than a day? A few hours even?
Gems have intergalactic travel that takes a couple of minutes, if you've seen the show. It's not just FTL, it would have to be orders of magnitude faster than light. It looks like it uses singularities or space warping or something. And then when they get to the planet, they can set up warp pads to make it actually instantaneous. If the stuff belonged to Pink Diamond, which is likely, all the stuff was pink, she could have retrieved it from where she knows it was stored and headed straight to Earth easily.

I'd say if there's a million easy explanations and no important reason to say it outside of autists, you don't need to waste time on it and come up with a convoluted scene showing it when your show comes from a fixed perspective. The only claim you have that hasn't gotten an million easy explanations is the time frame and I'll answer it with this: it didn't matter to anything narratively and keeps the pacing going.

What I find bizarre is that the same people who complained for years that Steven was 'too soft' are complaining that Steven is now 'too harsh',ignoring the fact that he was 100% justified in being harsh with Spinel.

He was also 100% justified in being harsh with Lapis, and yet he did nothing but coddle and encourage her actually toxic behavior. If they're gonna make him an optimistic "I see the best in everyone" shithead they should at least be consistent about it.

I really hope he's forced to kill someone next season

If i may

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Lapis actually had an injustice brought upon her by the crystal gems, and she treats Steven fine outside of one fight he wouldn't back down from. The extent of her maliciousness towards Steven is that fight and telling Jasper about the crystal gems which she only did under a threat to her life. Otherwise she just mostly runs away.

That's a far cry from Spinel who knows Steven isn't Pink but wants to take out violent revenge on someone.

>you don't need to waste time on it and come up with a convoluted scene showing it when your show comes from a fixed perspective.
Gee, it's almost as if the fixed perspective is a massive issue the show suffers from.

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>ifunny

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>ifunny

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It's like half a glass. Just see them as they are.

Only if you're an autistic fuck who can't accept that things in this show happen that you won't see and this won't get a direct answer to. If you actually find a contradiction in something, then go ahead but so far every complaint is "Why didn't we see exactly how X happened!?"

Runs away, breaks legs of and almost drowns incidental humans, tortures someone for months on end as a form of catharsis for her trauma even though that person was only tangentially related (sounds familiar), and steals and destroys the belongings and home of her roommate when she won't runaway with her. Also unlike Spinel, her actions had consequences that weren't solved in the course of an evening. I understand the argument that intent is worse than results but Lapis has both. Due in part to the less than stellar execution of both their stories, I can't stand the distant way Steven acted toward Spinel when his relationship with Lapis exists, even though I wish he acted that way towards other threats.

Fuck Lapis. Worst gem.

Wow, you really are an idiot. Did you not read what I posted already? I don't care for explanations, just have the story make enough sense so that I can suspend my fucking disbelief. Is basic narrative cohesion really too much to ask for here?

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The Garden was resting above a ruined colony, she could have easily grabbed a can of leftover weedkiller and a decommissioned weapon from there. The whole thing would have been neatly resolved if they just added a little timejump between returning and Spinel coming.

Also, if you want a real plothole, ask why didnt Steven just asked the Diamonds to help, who wold have LOVED to help him out and their powerlevels are off the chart. They would also have knowledge of the injector or at the very least the ability to summon an entire army of specialists from Homeworld to dismantle it.

>I liked him how he was at the start but it's clear the rejuvenator reverted more than his powers because he went through the same mistakes and bad traits he used to have in the early show.
Hm, care to elaborate? Never considered this either of the times I saw the movie.

They completely ruined Lapis after she returned in Jailbreak. I wonder why did they even force her back to just to turn her into a bitchy cunt. Her entire (justified) angst was shittily executed and the fact that Steven kept trying to reach out to her while ready to dumpster Spinel at the first possible moment is just infuriating.

Not that my opinion matters at this point in the thread (or at all, or anyone's opinion, for that matter) but I mean.....I liked it? It encapsulates all the things that make SU enjoyable in the first place in a fresh context of him being 2 years older and wiser, the songs in it are some of the best jams in the series in my opinion, Spinel was a fun villain-turned friend, and we got the fusion of Steven and Greg finally (which was kinda weird and oddly...cool) so like.... what's there to bitch about exactly? If you don't like the show dont waste your time watching it, and if you do, what is exactly wrong with it?

Step forward, because he's not turning out like the bara faggots want. Which is all I personally want.

What complaint except for an unclear time frame is your complaint? Because "What didn't we see X explicitly happen!" sums up basically all of it.

>it's clear the rejuvenator reverted more than his powers
it's clear the rejuvenator also wipes the gem's memories, steven was able to superficially recall his friends but he forgot all the specific meanings and behind his experiences and thus lost his powers and confidence

It's the kind of movie whose logic crumbles once you really think about it. The whole deal about Spinel showing up reformed and with 2 unique killer weapons in less than a day, the build up of the injector as this world ending device that can't be jostled only for it to explode with no lasting consequences, and a couple oddities with the gems getting their memories back. None of this kills the movie but it's still stuff to bitch about since circlejerking Spinel and the songs gets boring after a while.

Not him. I don't care how she got the stuff but if they just made it so a day or two passed between Steven returning and Spinel arriving then almost no one would care. As it is it's hard to fathom her watching Steven's message on repeat, reforming, grabbing all the stuff and arriving on Earth in a handful of hours unless we excuse it as toonforce which shouldn't be a thing in this series.

he was too whiny, and cried way too much
particularly the tears it has gone WAY overboard. believe it or not SU used to use tears a lot more sparingly at actually appropriate moments, but nuSU Steven has tears in his eyes basically every 5 minutes and it's really just taken the relevance tears may have for a character and thrown it into the trash bin

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The diamonds seem to be resistant to their own weapons. A single gem destabilizer touch or YD's lightning can poof a normal gem in a few moments. However, BD took a constant stream of YD's lightning for a bit and didn't poof. I'd wager that the rejuvenators wouldn't reset a diamond in just one hit.

That he could change was his own final piece. That returned his gem to full Pink Steven status.

Also worth pointing out that resetting a Diamond is unlikely to do much to it outside of poofing it, considering the fact that they were likely created specifically to act the way they do.

Wasn't that Spinel?

Based

Exactly. He remembered his times with the Gems, but he forgot the most important part of all his experiences; he can change for the better, no matter the situation. That's a superpower we all have, whether you believe it or not.

>He's been doing nothing but showing her kindness and empathy only for her to backstab his friends repeatedly for it.
When did she backstab them?

You guys are comparing two different Stevens with different temperaments and maturity.

Bullshit excuse. In a show that has a heavy leaning towards character development, timeskipping and saying “lol steven is a dick now btw” is retarded and goes against everything the show is.

Lapis attacked only in self defense, that’s far different from Spinel.

Also why the fuck would the crew do that? What's there to gain from making Steven less forgiving and more distant, especially since they didn't even explore it in the movie.

Holding Jasper for months and stealing the barn is not self defense.

Jasper was gonna kill Steven and hurt who knows what else, she had it coming. Stealing the barn was not being malicious, it was being terrified.

Character development isn't always positive. Also you guys always exaggerate that. He wasn't being a dick, just careless after an exhausting day. You physically see how overtaxed he is. Give him a break.

>Also why the fuck would the crew do that?
To teach Steven a lesson. Whole first part of the movie is him trying to distance himself from Gem problems and assuming he was just done. By the end he realizes that was silly and that he needs to stay vigilant.

please-end-my-endless-suffering/10.

I would love to see more tired Steven, it gets him more willing to fight and unleash some anger which I usually enjoy.

>just careless after an exhausting day
>I know you just sung about how you stayed still for thousands and thousands of years, obviously overcome with grief and hatred as anyone would be... BUT WHAT ABOUT MEEEEE I HAD A BAD DAY UGHHH THE BEST YOU'LL GET OUT OF ME IS A SHITTY SONG ABOUT YOU FINDING A NEW PINK AND A HANDSHAKE.

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It’s not development if it happens via a timeskip with zero explanation, unless the environment suitably changes in a way that itself explains the character changes. Nothing changed in SU.

That's not how it was and you know it.

>zero explanation
Did you miss the entire song right after Steven for back to earth? That's literally explaining where he is now and sets up the thing that other user said. You realize this is a musical, right? The lyrics corresponded with the story and include important dialog...

The song doesn’t explain Steven’s more callous attitude. Nothing in the movie does.

He had a happily ever after and he's in a rush to get back to it. Yeesh, my 11 year old niece understood this movie better than almost every user here.

Hes a teenager getting fed up with the god damn world depending on him and wants his own space and to catch up on the simple things in life again like fries and doughnuts. They kind of hinted at this with Connie and the spacecamp scene.

Yeah, Spinel is hurting, but frankly he’s done with this shit and wants to get back to his life. He’ll help her but that doesn’t mean he wants her around.

Jasper wasn't gonna do shit when her ship was destroyed and all the CGs were around to protect Steven. Lapis also could have just as easily punted Jasper away with the ocean without fusing with her, and even then she only needed to fuse with her for a couple minutes to put Jasper at a disadvantage. Literally Lapis and Rebecca have said themselves that she held on to Jasper to feel like she had control over something after her time in the mirror and it didn't matter that it was Jasper. And boy does taking your frustrations towards your trauma out on someone who was only tangentially related to it sound FUCKING SIMILAR to Spinel.
And stealing the barn was EXPLICITLY malicious. When Lapis was terrified she just wanted to get out with Peridot, no barn, no nothing. She didn't care about it, but Peridot made it abundantly clear she did. Yet when Peridot refuses to go, she still takes it. It's only going to hinder her escape from Earth, so the only reason she has to take it is to punish Peridot for withholding the truth for too long. You can't even say she took it to have something to remember Peridot by since the first thing she did when returning to Earth was DESTROY IT.
Lapis and Spinel are two sides of the same coin. Only one side got nothing but encouragement and support from Steven while having none of her actions criticized, and the other got a handshake and told "there's plenty of fish in the sea, not me though."

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The implication was Steven was becoming complacent in his "happily ever after." Spinel disrupted it and that alone made him resentful towards her, and she wasn't a part of his envisioned happily ever after so even after he understands her deal and she seems subdued he still pushes her away. The movie can't really address this directly and call Steven out, specifically the stark difference between how he deals with someone like Pearl
>Pearl: I won't give up... Everything I do, I do it for her! I do it for him!
>Steven: Don't forget about yourself, Pearl!
>Pearl: I DO IT FOR ME!
and Spinel
>You'll love again. You just need to find someone [else].
because then the ending would've felt somewhat soured. Spinel can't stay on Earth for technical reasons (THE VA) and her being adopted by the Diamonds was the obvious solution.

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>The song doesn’t explain Steven’s more callous attitude.
You can hear it in his lyrics.
>Once upon a time, I thought I'd always be in my mother's shadow
>Answering for her crimes, I thought I'd always be in an endless battle
>...
>If I could just stop right here and be
>Finally done
>Finally us
>Finally we are in the future
Steven wanted to be done with all of this.

Pink Diamonds greatest sin was apathy towards others. She wasn't sympathetic towards humans. She was interested in them, which is different. Pink's apathy is what caused many hardships later on. Steven taking on an apathetic attitude is sort of like him going down the path of his mom.

Ever think maybe that’s kind of the point? To show a flaw of Steven he can overcome?

They should introduce a group the gems are at war with. Bunch of aliens banded together and formed a blockade somewhere. If you lost your planet and almost everyone you love then it's a bit harder to be won over by a friendship speech.

Yeah but someone more overtly evil that people won’t synoathize with and complain he was too mean.

I will say the time is the most valid argument, it's an amazing coincidence whatever abandoned planet she went to had those 2 things in easy reach. The thing is though, what does it narratively matter? It doesn't contradict anything, it's just a small oddity. The reason it's done is it's a musical and they wanted one song to flow into the next. The worst that does for the story is "oh, guess she found that stuff in a matter of a few hours nearby", not even something impossible. Just a whatever, that's convenient kinda thing.

I don't understand this whole 'Steven has become callous and pathetic' thing Yea Forums keeps going on about. I've seen the movie twice and he's still a compassionate young man, its not his fault Spinel can't deal with him being concerned for more than literally just her emotional well being. He misspoke when he was asked if he 'just wanted her to turn off the injector' and she flipped out before he could explain because she's fucking bonkers.

They mainly just wanna fuck Spinel. That’s it.

>pathetic
*apathetic

>and complain he was too mean.
this infuriates me partly because its coming from the same people that complain Steven is too much of a pussy - and its complete bullshit as well. he wasn't 'mean' to Spinel, he was dealing with multipule problems simaltaneously, all of which she caused, and she was so fucking fragile she flipped out over him just stopping to see if his lifelong friends had survived her initial tantrum..

Literally his whole solution is to just tell her to make a new friend, even though Steven should be fully aware that should be the last advice he gives her. And then I don't blame everyone for thinking that Spinel's relapse was completely avoidable if Steven acted like he did during the main show, he could have easily got through to her with his words right there but he was talking like a different character for muh conflict.

We're getting another season, right? I'm a bit annoyed that the movie practically only took place in Beach City. A new setting would be cool.

>Literally his whole solution is to just tell her to make a new friend,
'You need to grow as a person so you can make actual friends' is not bad advice.
>even though Steven should be fully aware that should be the last advice he gives her.
Fucking how is that bad advice?
> And then I don't blame everyone for thinking that Spinel's relapse was completely avoidable if Steven acted like he did during the main show,
So he should have lied to her instead of dealing with her honestly and transparently. That sure sounds like show Steven.
>he could have easily got through to her with his words right there
He tried to but she flipped the fuck out and wouldn't let him explain
> but he was talking like a different character for muh conflict.
He really wasn't.

And it was Spinel that made the decision to leave earth, not Steven, though he has the emotionally maturity to know she'd have a harder time overcoming her trauma while being surrounded by people that actively are hostile toward her because she decided to kill them all for little reason. Was the Diamond solution convenient? Yeah. But it wasn't out of character or a selfish decision.

Apathetic means he's not really understanding a person on an emotional level, doesn't actually want to help them.

People are hypocrites. Who knew?

>'You need to grow as a person so you can make actual friends'
That is not what he said AT ALL
His immediate response to Drift Away was "you just need to find another friend. they're out there somewhere" when what Spinel obviously really needed was to find herself, like Pearl. You can tell the song left an imprint on Spinel seeing as how the movie near closes with her singing a reprised version.
>You'll love again, (I'll love again,)
>You just need to find someone, (I just need to find someone,)
>Someone who treats you better, (Someone who treats me better,)
>Someone who wants you around, (Someone who wants me around,)
>Someday, somewhere, somehow, (Someday, somewhere, somehow,)
>You're gonna feel found...
This is shit advice to give to someone in Spinel's position. The movie near ends with her singing a reprised version of this + Let Us Adore You so you can't say it didn't have an impact on her decision to replace Pink with Yellow/Blue/White even if Steven didn't force her.

>Apathetic means he's not really understanding a person on an emotional level, doesn't actually want to help them.
But he did and he does

Does he though? I kinda got the feeling from him that he only saw Spinel as a problem to be dealt with, and as soon as he can he wants to brush her away and not think of her ever again. But I suppose we'll only know the truth in later season.

I honestly just wanna see him fight at his full potential, I enjoy his power set.

He wanted to help her at the end but he chose to respect her decision even warning her they could be much.

He's gonna have to overcome it in Season 6 then. The ending along with the entire show glorified that apathetic behavior rather than chastise it. Considering how Steven is a self-insert of Sugar's brother who she constantly states she babied him into being a manchild, I doubt Steven will ever see anything wrong with this behavior. He'll just become Rose 2.0 but knows how to get away with stuff via guilt and crying.

It makes sense that Homeworld would opt for a weapon that couldn't be used against them. Especially since Rose's group while smaller in number were all better fighters. So they'd send these melee weapons out in the field and they'd definitely end up doing more damage to themselves than the enemy.

First a step back, then a step forward, then a slight strip over an unseen stone and a mild stumble into new territory.

Same, I’m enjoying his confidence

>The ending along with the entire show glorified that apathetic behavior rather than chastise it
you keep using a word you don't understand to describe something that didn't happen.

>Even if there is a next time I don't think it's likely.
Why?

The thing is, I liked it too. Spinel is a fantastic villain and the Steg scene is the peak of the series. But BOY does this movie have problems outside that. It's still a fine movie, but there's nothing wrong with pointing out the bullshit as well.

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>It doesn't contradict anything, it's just a small oddity
But that's the thing, this movie is filled with small oddities that build up until the Diamonds show up at the end and the mess is staring at you in the face. There's so many holes in this movie it's practically swiss cheese.

you keep saying this but its still not true

At least hes not an unhealthy blob anymore. Is he still a pussy?

Some would say he’s a little cruel here

>entire thread practically beats you over the head with the blatant issues the movie has
>"not true lol"
Why are SUfags like this?

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>half the thread whines and nitpicks over minor elements of the movie or are blatant waifufags
Why are Spinelfags like this?

I completely agree. It's also the reason why I don't think that's what happened. That's not Steven's regular behavior, he was having a terrible day. Also Spinel was much different from Lapis. Lapis wasn't an enormous immediate threat.

>a couple oddities with the gems getting their memories back
What are you referring to?

This. I like to see Steven being sweet, but his actions in the movie are justified.

That's an interesting point of view.

>people that actively are hostile toward her because she decided to kill them
Well, I don't think Steven would be hostile to her if she stayed on Earth. Were you exclusively talking about the other characters?

>Were you exclusively talking about the other characters?
Obviously

There are probably warehouses filled with left over pink diamonds shit scattered across the cosmos just like her asteroid garden.

>I like to see Steven being sweet, but his actions in the movie are justified
Agreed. Considering the circumstances, it's understandable having him be too worried with other things to the point where he inadvertedly makes Spinel feel like she was just being used to turn off the Injector. And i think it ties pretty well with what happens afterwards where he realizes there's always more work to do and he was too focused on getting his "happily ever after".
However, the end of the movie felt rushed (particularly how little Steven and Spinel interacted after she has her breakdown), and it really drags things down with it. I don't mind the Diamonds taking her with them, but i still feel we got robbed of a good heart to heart between the two and it feels like there isn't any proper closure. The emotional payoff just isn't there and the movie really could have used 1 or 2 minutes to flesh out the way Spinel needs to improve herself by having her talk to Steven.

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>and it feels like there isn't any proper closure
Maybe that's the point, that someone isn't fixed five minutes after talking to Steven and we don't get to know the end of their story.

>Lapis
>has a whole episode dedicated to her and Steven getting along.
>indirectly damages Earth.
>After fighting healing her, she treats him like a friend and savior, is friendly with him.

>Spinel
>Comes out of nowhere
>Reset all of his friends for some reason.
>directly damages earth
>Is clingy when she's nice
>can't resolve her mess cuz amnesia
>Steven doesn't know shit about her.
>when steven also cares about someone else, she gets jealous and fucks things up even more.

>"Bring up something other than the unclear time!"
>Proceeds to complain more about how the time frame of Spinel

>and we don't get to know the end of their story
I'm fine with the rest of your post, but not this. Spinel should come back.

These are unrealistic people who expect Steven to fucking throw a god damn smile on his face and have a skip in his step at everything that fucking gets in his way. Yet these same people have fucking melt when some Z list character gets race swapped.

Bottom line, they don't live in reality, troll, or have autism and you shouldn't listen.

That'd be a pretty shit note to end on honestly.
Guess it'll have to wait until S6 to see if they hopefully delve into that.

>on his face and have a skip in his step
>Z list character gets race swapped
I don't understand your post

Now, what I really REALLY hate, is that these are the same people that voted for Jill Stein during the 2016 election, how inconsiderate, Hillary could have won.

>spinel looking at the smashed rq fountain statue and turning away
could have been cool

it is based.

actually. if it is a pink injector, shouldn't steven have the power to call it off himself?

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>not liking the homage to classic revues
Pleb.

Something like this?

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Mods are fags and deleted my last post. So I will be more direct.
You are falsely equating two different types of posters because you are lazy and probably stupid.

I can guarantee there were no people before this movie who thought Steven was too harsh on the people willing to destroy the planet

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>Lapis
>Allmost drowns two children
>Allmost stole all water from Earth, dooming the planet
>Broke Greg´s leg
>Made Malechite
>Left Peridot homeless
>Destroyed the barn which wasn´t even hers
>Never gets called out on any of this and is loved by everyone
Lapis is the worst most despicable piece of shit and even worse than Spinel morally, so if that turd can get hugs, so can Spinel.
It´s dumb either way, but this show´s morality is so utterly fucked that I could totally see Steven hugging Hitler.

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i think that's why they're mad. he's not conforming to their expectation. and on top of that he kept uncharacteristically blowing his speech checks.

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lapis felt more like a writing experiment than a character

>this show´s morality is so utterly fucked that I could totally see Steven hugging Hitler
YOUR morality is fucked if you think Hitler doesn't deserve a hug. Sorry.

Even if it is happening the episode is likely too far in production to change anything based on what people have been saying, and since the crew for some reason seems to want to push Spinel as the villain that went to far and needs to stay away from the main cast for her crimes I don't see them giving her a moment with Steven like that.

My comment in isn't feedback on what I think they should do, it's what I think they intended. They don't need to change anything based on feedback if that was what they were always going to do. I have no idea why you think this show is going to have an irredeemable villain, or why it would be Spinel.

Lapis was cracked and not in her right mind, and it was never her intention to kill anyone, that was an accidental byproduct.

Spinel made the concious choice to try and kill people she didn't even know.

lapis tried to drown connie and doesn't even apologise for it when connie calls her out.

They went there to fight her, that was to be expected. Still different from Spinel.

Wish he was a bit chubbier

Damnit, she needed a hug.

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Why?

he is a lot better looking than in 'together birthday' thats for sure

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i would love lapis if she was portrayed as an actual jerk, zuko style, instead of just a poor trauma baby lashing out

probably the best description for her
>Lapis was cracked and not in her right mind, and it was never her intention to kill anyone, that was an accidental byproduct.
Was she cracked when she decided to start fusion-rape with Jasper? Was she cracked when she broke Peridot´s tape recorder, when she stole their house and broke it in front of her? Was she cracked when she made fun of Connie for criticizing her over allmost drowning her? Don´t be silly, the cracking had nothing to do with it. She´s just that awful. Cracking doesn´t mean you become braindead, since even when Amethyst was cracked she was still herself. She was weird but still acted like amethyst, and didn´t try to kill Steven or anything.
>she didn´t want to kill anyone
As a terraformer, she knew damn well the damage that stealing water from a planet with organic lifeforms would cause. She just didn´t care.
>how dare the heroes go to stop a maniac from stealing the most precious resource of the planet
>Drowning children is to be expected
She´s no better than Spinel.

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Lapis would have been better if they had done anything with her dealing with the consequences of her actions. That´s what sucks about this show after S2. Nothing matters. You can commit mass genocide and Steven would hug you if you say you´re really sorry. And nobody will talk about your previous crimes unless it´s making you "feel" bad.
Garnet never talks with Lapis about Malechite, Pearl never talks with Lapis about keeping her in the mirror, Amethyst never talks about Jasper with Lapis, turns out Bismuth had nothing to do with Lapis poofing and Peridot never really gets any resolution with Lapis about their broken friendship.
I geniuenly don´t understand how she has fans that accept what has been done with her. I get liking a character for how they where previously or based on looks alone, but I can´t understand anyone being satisfied with this bitch.

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NO MORE HUGS, OKAY ?

> uwu he had a bad day give him a bweak! he's nevew been undew this kind of stwess befowe! he had no time to tawk wid spinel!
I'm getting so sick of this argument. A: We don't know if this is ultimately going to be the case. It could be that this pessimistic "done with ur shit" Steven sticks around for the rest of the series, in which case this was not a "bad day" and that's just how he is now. B: Steven's had a LOT of bad days before. Days where the world's ocean is suspended in a spire and at risk of not being returned before an ecological collapse, his friends are outmatched by a single foe, his dad has been seriously hurt trying to help him out, and he and his best friend are being drowned. Days where his greatest foes have finally arrived on Earth, one is soloing his entire team while the other is trying to summon a world destroying monster, and everything is at risk if he can't stop them. Days where his family is knocked out and captured, he and his friend are imprisoned with no way out, he barely got out a distress signal, and he's being haunted by memories of his dead mother. And yet it's with Spinel where his characteristic empathy wavers, being unable to tell that she wants him to be her friend. It's only with Spinel that he's too focused on saving the world to have a heart to heart with the cause. Maybe he put up with a lot during the time skip that caused him to change how he reacts to stress, but then it's poor form not to show that development.
> Spinel was much different from Lapis. Lapis wasn't an enormous immediate threat.
The absolute state of Lapisfags.

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i think a lot of lapisfags, or other fans of a character, tend to fill in the gaps with their headcanons and self projection

same with jasperfags, and those spinelfags who think she'd be a clingy slut in a relationship

Yeah, and those situations were different. However I agree that we don't know for sure if that's the case. The alternative you're proposing is also a valid possibility, and while I think the timeskip was a mistake regardless, it's even worse if they skipped such an important plot point.

Pic?

Ait then let's talk about how they built up the injector and its poison as Earth destroying and that they can't force it out or else it'll explode and kill all life on Earth only for that to exactly happen and the only area that seems affected is Beach City and Steven literally kisses the damage away. Even if we handwave it with watsonian excuses like "it takes a while for the poison to spread" or "Peridot's calculations were wrong" it's still an oddity in the writing to build it up, have it be the reason Steven avoids a heart to heart with Spinel, only to have the cleanup be inconsequential and unimportant.

YOU OWE ME

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Steven is 16, he is maturing and ironically it makes him want to do more of the little things of life like hanging out with his gf and friends rather than grand magical adventures. He is sick of his heritage at this point and just wants to be a normal dude loafing around the beach like his dad.

Steven literally points it out near the end where he says the rejuvinator did more than revert his gem half, it also reverted his human half and made him do the dumb things he did as a kid

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>it also reverted his human half and made him do the dumb things he did as a kid
No, he didn't say that, and besides it wouldn't make sense if he did. He was having that problem before Spinel came around.
>If I could just stop right here and be finally done
>I want everything to stay exactly like this, forever, and never change

Because all signs point to them feeling that way about her. Rebecca calling her toxic, saying that her gunning to hurt others just to hurt others is new territory for the show, Steven being distant towards her throughout the movie. Irredeemable is not the right word but they seem to be putting her in the same box as the Diamonds, a box labelled "Gems who did bad things but aren't doing them anymore who Steven will be polite to but doesn't really like."

>steven
>not liking the diamonds
I wouldn't be so sure.

wait, i meant too many birthdays

steven is currently incapable of liking the diamonds because he still associates them with all the suffering he's endured. he'll need a good 5-10 years of effort to be able to relax around them

FORWARD!
Now he matured and ealized not every conflict can be solved with kindness!
I love him more now!

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>Because all signs point to them feeling that way about her.
>the villain that went to far and needs to stay away from the main cast for her crimes
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I remember when he said that in the trailer and thinking how odd for Steven to want or say that. Not only is it corny foreshadowing but it goes against Steven’s character, and what he’s taught others.
Maybe after two years, he got tired of preaching that.

Also, if Steven can now heal the Earth, I wonder if he’ll try to restore life on the other planets the Diamonds destroyed.

steven dodged a bullet

To be fair, if the galaxy was at peace, who would want that shit to change if they weren’t evil?

It makes sense for him to think something like that. When things are bad, you want them to change. He changed all the things he didn't like and at the start of the movie he wants "everything to stay like this". When I heard that in the trailer I knew exactly what they were doing. They even had Spinel say "when you change, you change for the better, but when I change, I change for the worse", which is something I was waiting for for years.

I was wondering a similar question: will he try to heal the kindergartens?

Source? They were getting along pretty well at the end of Change Your Mind.

>and that your faves are a reflection of your own virtue
What did she mean by this?

I liked it a lot.
I think it's a step forward with Steven's character.
He's just so done with this shit, and I really enjoy that aspect, but he also realizes he'll never truly be done trying to fix his mother's mistakes.
There will always be some other gem or something that will try to kill Steven for his mother's crimes.

He would’ve been fine if they got rid of all that acne

Conveniently ignoring the last half of that post, huh? Of course they don't consider her a full on villain, but Maya is out right admitting that they aren't excusing the things she's done and think she needs to work on being better. That's the same boat the Diamonds are in and Steven barely tolerated them in the movie, and he similarly wasn't huge on Spinel. Being deserving of love doesn't mean they're gonna get from Steven or the main cast, especially when they formed this support group with Spinel and the Diamonds at the end of the movie.

a lot of weird people claim that you're not supposed to like problematic characters without adding a bunch of 'well, i know she's an abuser BUT my cat used to abuse me' disclaimers to absolve yourself of sin. they're underage fandom puritans

>out right admitting that they aren't excusing the things she's done and think she needs to work on being better
Just like everyone else.

Thank you. Well wow that's stupid. Though I only understood like half of your post, it's probably best if I don't get the full "logic" behind it, as this alone is already disappointing.

he looks like one of those Fallout caricatures

Steg is the kind of physique/look that Steven is going to have upon adulthood, and you can't change my mind. He lost a noticeable amount of weight and gained quite a bit of height in just 2 years.

>He lost a noticeable amount of weight and gained quite a bit of height in just 2 years
To be fair his physique was directly tied to his emotional state.

He was always meant to be taller but because of how childlike he was the Gem part of himself made him look far younger then his actual age.

How does Steven not have some kind of Fight Club-style split personality?

Why would he?

The Gems' gems are where their "brains" are held, correct? How does Steven's human mind not come into conflict with whatever's left of Pink in Pink's gem?

Because she’s gone.

But we saw his gem turn into him after it was separated from him. Pink might be gone, but something else is still in there.

Nice headcanon

pink essentially marked herself as overwriteable. hence why the rejuvinator booted steven back to s1 steven, instead of pink's powerset.

You're right, her memories are still there, somehow.

Dude, the birthday episode showed he hadn’t changed from like when he was 8

The birthday episode also shows him growing facial hair.

That was literally the entire point of the birthday episode.

There's a bit more time than you think from when Steven is on Homeworld to when he arrives on Earth, hence the "what took you so long" from Connie It might SEEM like it happens fast, but it was probably a few days at least from then to there..

The Rejuvenator is outdated tech, Bismuth knew what it was but not Peridot, who was made later in Era 2.

The Injector was probably left over from Pink's stash. Keep in mind these were what is used to turn planets into colonies.

It's an assumption they make during that episode, and they're proven wrong at the end of it. During the episode they're upset because they think Steven isn't growing, then they notice he's growing facial hair and are happy because that means they were wrong and worrying over nothing.

That’s because he got confidence and security from Connie saying she wasn’t gonna leave him

He kind of looks like Joshua.

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Good times create weak men.

It's his soul, his Id. It's Steven without any morals or holding back.

Do you have anything to back that up? They never say it in the episode. What they do say is
>You're growin' a beard! You really are getting older.
No indication of his beard growing being related to his magic powers. There's also no indication that his growth in previous years was related to them either. This series is about his growth, which happens through every episode. The series also presents the idea that growing up doesn't mean throwing away everything from your childhood. The explanation given in is not supported by the show.

Keep in mind that I'm not saying that the way he grows isn't unusual or that he doesn't have magic powers related to physical growth.

i know most of the movie is about steven's sruggles and stuff, but it would be interesting to see a movie from the perspective of some other character

the idea that steven is purposely surpressing himself because he feels younger than he is is just subtext. but steven himself is not aging naturally and this is stated.

SIGNIFICANTLY a step forward. They keep the best aspects of his character while dialing the childishness so far back it's almost non-existent.
But at the same time you can still tell he's immature in a teenage way. Hes sassy to the diamonds, and acts wholier than thou throughout the whole movie which I feel like might be a flaw he will have to overcome in the movie.

Basically I'm all for the change. He's become one of my favorite characters in a while

Belongs in the museum of cursed abominations, right next to the sonic totem.

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>he feels younger than he is
But that doesn't happen in the series. He's constantly acknowledging his growth.

>steven himself is not aging naturally and this is stated
I don't think it's ever said that it's not natural. But I think I understand what you mean, which I acknowledged here:
>I'm not saying that the way he grows isn't unusual

Best headcanon

This only works with the "new steven" interpretation rather than the "bad day" one. Are you sure that's what happened? And are you sure the show wouldn't present this as a negative, in the same way "I want everything to stay like this forever" was.

there's a timeskip. presumbably something happened.

steven has had worse days.

Yeah but whatever happened is something we don't get to see unfortunately.

This was one of Steven's worst days, if not the worst. For the first time he didn't have Garnet, Amethyst and Pearl when facing an immediate threat.

Are you sure you watched the entire movie? This scene happens after Steven pawns off Spinel to the Diamonds so they'll stop asking him to live with them. It's okay if you're a true believer in the cult of Steven, just don't try to lie for your messiah.

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He was acting differently from the very start of the movie. Sassing the diamonds and such. I think it's a new direction for his character.
He's a 16 year old after all. It makes sense he's got some more edge to him

At the start of the movie he was already tired of the whole thing though. And Steven being tired of space stuff isn't something new, we've seen it happen since season 4.

I can't believe Woolie is fucking dead

Seems like they're going with the coming of age story route where things start to take a more mature turn as the main protag gets older. The inclusion of blood on Steven as he takes damage seems to be an indicator of that as I don't recall him bleeding at all prior to this film.

I wasn't even sure he COULD bleed for a long time

Idk I like older Steven, but he's still a pussy ig

I figured he’s just pop out glitter

I think normally he wouldn't because of healing powers. He looked pretty surprised to be bleeding himself.

Could be he’s just normally that durable.

Magnificent

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the diamonds are for sassing

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How hard would it be to have made the Happily ever after song into a montage? Set a few of the shots at night, a few during the day, and bingo, you've implied the passage of time.

>This scene happens after Steven pawns off Spinel to the Diamonds
Spinel choosing to leave with the Diamonds rather than remaining on Earth isn't Steven 'pawning her off'. He even asks her to stay before she says she can't.

Just because you're autistic doesn't mean you have to lie about what happened.

>step back
Step forward for the series, a step back for Steven.

Or maybe it's a sign that as he grows he starts getting more PD traits (like lacking compassion) that he has to overcome.

A little late, but he starts focusing too much on a single objective (happily ever after) and losing sight of everything else around him, he tries to shout "super Steven strength" and force his powers to work even when they're not ready, something he used to do quite a bit in the early episodes, and finally he was pretty terrible at reading the signs and emotional state of Spinel, as he was with many of the townies during earlier episodes.

Oh wait, maybe you're onto something interesting here, I didn't think about it like this. The other user was only thinking about "happily ever after" but that was prior to the scythe attack, so this is very interesting. Thank you for pointing this out.

It's more like walking in place.

>like lacking compassion
this is becoming a meme

Right? If he had zero compassion, he would have killed her.

>PD traits
just spell it out, reddit. is moving your fingers so fucking hard?

beautiful work

>Just because you're autistic doesn't mean you have to lie about what happened.
Fucking this
How many people can miss the easiest shit?

Steven explicitly asks Spinel to stay with them, and she says no because she feels what she's done is inexcusable, and before Steven can respond the Diamonds come along and do their retarded shit.

Additionally, people harping on about how Steven was cold and apathetic in this forget that this whole movie was essentially a thematic recap of the show, and getting Steven to come back to his passionate self when he got his powers is the climax of the entire fucking movie.
Were any of you fucks ever forced to analyze any sort of literature in school?

It literally just requires you to listen directly to what the characters are saying and a basic understanding of thematic elements.

All this because he didn't give Spinel a hug or wave goodbye.
Jesus Christ.

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>he thinks abbreviating things like Pink Diamond to PD is a reddit thing
how new are you? do you say "comics and cartoons board" instead of Yea Forums?

>posting all that true shit and not relationshit posting
how can you expect anyone to reply to this when you're right and you haven't shit on their favorite gemship?

I don't care about getting a reply, I ain't some attention whore (you)slut.
If even one user learns or creates better discourse as a result of my post, then it was a worthwhile post.

>Were any of you fucks ever forced to analyze any sort of literature in school?
No. I've never done anything in school. What would you recommend me to do if I want to have this skill? It sounds useful.

yeah but why didn't he hug her?

Yea Forums in the series: Steven is too much of a compassionate pussy, he needs to grow up and realize he needs to be tougher at some point.

Yea Forums to the movie: Wow what an emotionless piece of shit, what the fuck is wrong with Steven, why did he treat her like such shit, damn dude I fucking hate this asshole, why can't he be more compassionate to Spinel?

>Steven to come back to his passionate self when he got his powers is the climax of the entire fucking movie
So you're agreeing with ? This is the first thread I see this being brought up.

Yeah, but that was just Connie.

Why should she? Connie is shit.

Definitely could have looked like that, with a less healthy lifestyle and skin care routine. As much as I love Greg, Season 1 Steven has terrible eating habits before Spending more time with the Crystal Gems.

I agree with that user, but there's also just the general theme of going through everyone's character arcs in the rest of the movie.
I mean hell, they have a literal recap for everyone with Happily Ever After, then a more in depth thematic recap as they recover everyone's memories, and finally when Steven recovers his powers.
I mean shit, they were hit with a "rejuvenator" which literally means to make something younger.
If it isn't spelt out any more crystal clear, I don't know how else they could've done it without Steven saying "Look audience! My character arc!" at the end of the movie.

It's something I've been annoyed by in Yea Forums threads about the movie for a while, but haven't personally brought up until now.

I like to believe part of it was because of his insecurities about his maturity,

Could be, but you'll notice a general trend in the foods they show Steven eating over the series that pairs somewhat with him looking not quite as chubby.

Really no pleasing these people. But then again they probably identify with Spinel.

>What would you recommend me to do if I want to have this skill?
Honestly I was being sarcastic because I had assumed everyone's been forced to do this in their language courses in school.

Assuming you're not being sarcastic in turn, I'd say the best way to start practicing this skill is to read some stories that are more message based/purpose driven (for example, shit like 1984 and animal farm), and think about what the author is trying to say with the work.
Note down particular passages or details that may add to this point.
Having people to discuss it with is also a big help, but mostly practice is what's needed.
As you get better you can start applying these methods to works that are less on the nose and clear cut with their themes, and can often derive a lot more meaning and enjoyment out of a work by analyzing it.

Note: This does not mean all work is best enjoyed with analysis. Don't watch shit like Hellsing Ultimate expecting deep themes. Some art is pure face-value entertainment, and that's thoroughly enjoyable too.

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Happy Spinel is naive to the point of childishness.

Thank you for bringing it up. Now that you put it like this it seems very obvious. No idea how it went over my (and apparently many other's) head.

a step forward
but the last episode of the last season was like 10 step backwards, so its not much
im not watching the last season
i just dont care about how this shows ends

and if i watch it, i will just pirate it like with the movie

>pirate it
Nothing wrong with that.

>Lapis wasn't an enormous immediate threat.
Literally the very first thing Lapis did once she escaped from the mirror is steal all the water on earth and threaten to kill anyone that got close to her.

The first thing after coming out of her gem she did was talking with Steven, then to the Crystal Gems, then asking Steven if he wanted to come with her, then told him to be careful and went away. Then she tried to use the ocean to leave the planet and felt threatened by the CGs when they came near them, which is how they ended up in a fight with her. Then Steven tried to talk and she listened. She wasn't trying to hurt people for no reason, she just didn't want the CGs to bother her.

one step foward, two steps back

It sounds like a joke but I've had trouble going through school so I'm missing skills. Thanks for the advice.

full comic?

Pink herself as a person is gone: what's left is effectively some of her data. It's not her, just some of the important information from when she "was" the gem. Steven is now the Gem, so it turns into him, but it still has at least some of the old data from Pink, even if she herself is dead as shit.

This is also kind of a part of why the Rejuvenator is a discontinued tool, I think. It's a band-aid solution at best to the problem of a disobedient Gem because its fixes are only skin-dee, it only buries or covers up old information as opposed to actually overwriting or erasing it completely.

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Steven is the best character in the show

How?

He just is. Accept it and love him as the best character in the show, actually no, the best character in all of TV.

There is no way in hell he’s better than The Finder

Probably didn’t help that Gems didn’t really monitor what he ate

I feel like Garnet does. In I think it was the Future vision episode, Steven dumps a whole jar of mayo on his sandwich and Garnet says "That will kill you faster," so she has at least a basic understanding of human nutrition.

If they stop forcing the writing to have him be completely out of character for the sake of a "plot" then it will be a step forward. Normal Steven wouldn't have been such a cunt to Spinel. Even White Diamond got treated better the second he met her. There's no excuse to change that fact. He was like "You'll find some other friends or something" instead of "I can be your friend." Even after all was said and done, he just wanted to get her to leave instead of possibly staying. Also, it really irks me that none of the new gems seem to be "friends" with Steven. Weren't some of the "previous Crystal Gems" among all the purified corrupted gems? Why the fuck aren't they hanging out with the main cast?

question , the government is just gonna let Space rocks to live in earth?
Shit is not even hidden at this point

I imagine they don’t really have much a choice considering Gems really outnumber and could pretty much deal with them at any time.

you mean the international council of mayors? what are they gonna do? tell Nanafu she can't have her magic space immigrant labor force and tourism generators?

Steven shouldn't have sang that panty drencher duet if he didn't have plans to stick around.

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What's the purpose of those two?

this show in a nutshell

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Would anyone really want a Pearl slave?

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This edit became oddly too real.

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Constitutionals

Maybe?

>wanted a villain so bad that they couldn’t just talk them to defeat and being good
>ending up actually wanting that for Spinel

Rebecca got to you somehow I guess

connie is still a million times better than lapis

Yeah, but they also let him eat stuff like popcorn with whipped cream whenever he feels like it.

People shat on Steven's compassion in the series because it did very little outside of him being cool with monsters that have done horrific shit, yet he's more than willing to sweep under the rug. Literally the one time we get an actually compelling character people want to see redeemed and Steven is at his most distant. It's frustrating how his empathy only extends to people nobody actually wants redeemed.

He can’t control it. That’s just his voice now.

Spinel is also kind of a monster who’s willing to kill whoever she wants to in order to feel better

not gonna lie, the eyes make the dool kinda cute

Through an irrational and emotional response she even acknowledges and is ashamed of by the end.

Which does not negate what she has shown she is willing to do, commit genocide for the sole purpose, directly kill millions of living beings with no other purpose than to satisfy whatever inner pain she felt. That’s a monster. Even if they are sorry. She’s not better than the Diamonds no matter how much you feel for her.

Gave this movie a third attempt. It just, I don't see purpose in adding yet another character to Rose's past. And having Spinel have a change of heart not one but two times with a snap of a finger is just bad story writting.

i just rewatch the spinel bits and ignore the memory wipe antics

he's still redeeming her btw

what do you think of ?
do you really think he was still "out of character" after he gets his powers back?

>She’s not better than the Diamonds no matter how much you feel for her.
The Diamonds are an order of magnitude worse. Not only have they actually SUCCEEDED in destroying entire planets for the sake of it, they're also responsible for countless atrocities even among their own kind, like the Gem zombies, corrupted Gems, the Cluster, etc. They don't just kill, they deliberately torture, mutilate, and desecrate almost anything they can get their hands on.

This isn't even remotely comparable to a psychologically broken person who just desperately needed help.

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Everything they’ve done was for Gemkind as a whole, they take down the rebels threatening everything they got who stood by the leader who murdered their sister. That’s justifiable, trying to kill someone you know is innocent is not. All the atrocities were done to the people who worked with the Gem who murdered Pink, who abandoned them for the Rebellion. Spinel is just crazy.

>Everything they’ve done was for Gemkind as a whole
blue says 'i don't kill anyone anymore' and 'i never make people cry' in the same sentence

>Everything they’ve done was for Gemkind as a whole
I'm sure that's the excuse every tyrannical dictator shits out. It doesn't make what they did any less terrible, especially when said excuse is objectively false. I've yet to see what good comes out of creating Frankenstein's Monsters the size of planets.

>they take down the rebels threatening everything they got who stood by the leader who murdered their sister.
A lot of that shit happened LONG after the rebellion was squashed. They didn't even know that there were still rebels left while working on the Cluster and their other experiments, and frankly didn't care.

>That’s justifiable, trying to kill someone you know is innocent is not.
Ah yes, Yellow "I want that planet to DIE!" Diamond was totally justified.

>Spinel is just crazy.
No she isn't, just damaged after literally thousands of years of emotional abuse and neglect.

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>damaged after literally thousands of years of emotional abuse and neglect
or, in a single word, crazy

No, because that implies she cannot be reasoned with nor can she be aware of her own actions, neither of which is the case for her.

I don't think it would be difficult for a gem like her to find a weapon like that at all. She's pretty near the diamonds and not a pearl. Even in era 3 there'd be few gems questioning her motives at all.

My problem with Spinel is that she's yet another character they decided to anchor to Rose's past. I just wish they moved on from that plot point already.

it's a gymnastic split (pic related)

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based film. one would have to be some sort of tranny to dislike it

kek

They pre-date the country and Pearl is on some of their money, there's likely some sort of binding non-interference clause with gem bullshit built into the constitution from day 1.

Hysterical

>"ends justify the means" philosophy makes you more worthy of being forgiven than someone who was literally broken
this is the kind of people who deserve to get shot

Very well

To be fair.. a majority of Yea Forums didn't expect Spinel to be cute, likable, and sympathetic.

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For me it was everything bad about the series compounded. Shiter musical numbers, rushed pacing, half of the main cast is pointless and flat (mainly dreadlocks and Lapis), thoroughly un-cinematic composition even though it's meant to be a movie, characters launching into melodramatic weeping, characters just behave in ways that suit the drama conveniently ... Drama in general is something this show is bad at 99.9% of the time, excellent at 0.9% of the time (Rose's Scabbard).

Just a shitshow

*0.1%

>SU shilling has is so prevalent, people would rather accept Gem/pol/ "did nothing wrong" so they don't cast shade at their new favorite show.
To add on to they also had a severe caste system that segregated the gems, euthanized the off-colors as invalids, and prevented interracial fusion such as Garnet.

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The ophanim or ofanim (Heb. "wheels" אוֹפַנִּים ’ōphannīm; singular: אוֹפָן ’ōphān, ofan), also called galgalim (galgallim, גַּלְגַּלִּים - "spheres", "wheels", "whirlwinds"; singular: galgal, גַּלְגַּל), refer to the wheels seen in Ezekiel's vision of the chariot (Hebrew merkabah) in Ezekiel 1:15-21. One of the Dead Sea scrolls (4Q405) construes them as angels; late sections of the Book of Enoch (61:10, 71:7) portray them as a class of celestial beings who (along with the Cherubim and Seraphim) never sleep, but guard the throne of God.

These "wheels" have been associated[by whom?] with Daniel 7:9 (mentioned as galgal, traditionally "the wheels of galgallin", in "fiery flame" and "burning fire") of the four, eye-covered wheels (each composed of two nested wheels), that move next to the winged Cherubim, beneath the throne of God. The four wheels move with the Cherubim because the spirit of the Cherubim is in them. The late Second Book of Enoch (20:1, 21:1) also referred to them as the "many-eyed ones".

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Honestly that infuriated me even more considering Spinel is closer to what we'd get if Pearl snapped overall. Consider the Independent Together song, Pearl & Spinel have lived their entire lives being tools and toys for someone above them, never really questioning that behavior until they broke down.

Instead of shacking her up with himself or even the Diamonds, he should have stated that she needs to take time for herself outside of anyone else. Don't fall back into codependency with another Diamond and think for yourself. which is the entire point of Pearl's saga too. Spinel shouldn't have been Lapidot 2.0 where she goes to the Homeworld Barn with barely "redeemed" bastards to make her happy. That's one of the biggest issues with SU, Steven's never really grown up or changed from his Mom overall. He still sweeps stuff under the rug with Deus Ex Machina rather than actually addressing the issues himself. He's just putting band-aids on infected wounds to hide them rather than actually treat them.

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Spinel is over 6000 years old, she can make her own choices. Steven shouldn’t tell her what to do.

His jacket and colors reminds me.of hotline Miami so I cant stop picturing steven in a animal mask kicking in a door and proofing a bunch of gems
>"if I'm not back in a hour, call the police"

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So are the Crystal Gems and the Diamonds and we all know how that went.

Yeah the difference is spindle is an insane clown and almost won so shes danger

Him having a neck is fucking cursed.
His VA is good though and a good singer, hope he does more stuff in the future.

is this from a Neverhood game?
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>Spooky clowns scare me
Sans Sugar rushing the end, the Diamonds have always been a bigger threat and they got the exact same pattern too. The only difference is that the Diamonds are his now cool and pacified Aunties who want to spoil him rotten, Spinel really doesn't add any privileges to Steven that he doesn't already have.

Yeah but shes a scary clown

She can finger him pretty well

Same way Spinel got the Injector in like 2 hours.

I liked Steven's struggle of wanting a peaceful life and being thrown under the bus for another "It's time to fight my mother's millionth Ex" session. With his face being plastered everywhere as a champion for intergalactic peace, he's gonna live his life fighting an uphill battle, and he's gonna have to accept it despite his empathetic heart.
I think they did a good job of making Steven get really fucked up post-Steg and with his final Spinel fight. I don't think we've seen Steven bleed before so it sold how gimped he was and how Spinel really wanted to kill his ass.
I didn't like how Garnet kind of got shoved in a corner so she couldn't be too useful too early but I feel like the writer's always do that with her anyway.
Spinel was cute.

Here's the skinny:

Steven treated Jasper and Peridot and the others a certain way. He gave them some patience and tried to talk it out and he put the time in for them. But when he met them they were far less chatty and wanted to destroy the world with a dispassionate demeanor for the sake of a larger looming threat that should have been taken seriously.

Spinel was from the word go aggressive and Steven did fight back. But it's made clear much more quickly she's hurt and angry and has actual emotion and no larger looming threat than whatever's in front of them right now.

People don't want Steven to fight seriously with someone like Spinel. They want him to fight seriously with Jasper or Yellow Diamond or a real, proper villain.