YOU CAN MAKE IT DIFFERENT

As long as he gets his shit wrecked too.

Imagine believing that change is always for the better.

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If he cared about looks he wouldn't be wearing a pink jacket with sandals.

Is there a single character in fiction that can continue to fight Final Ascended Form Steven Universe?

This is a great drawing

it takes a real kind of autistic, unloved, turbo-virgin to think that someone with their arms wide open ready to receive the person trying to harm them and forgive them is acting "holier than thou"

>I don't wanna play anymore.

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But she doesn't have to change for the worse, she can make it right. Or better, even. Is that pic new? It's good.

Spinel where is my pipe

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Now where did I put my Rejuvenator, Bio-Poison, and Injector?

>YOU CAN'T FIX EVERYTHING WITH SOME STUPID SONG
>five minutes later
>Oh hey the three tall ladies are singing a song and fixing my situation!

This movie is sooooo baadddd, its insane.

>these replies calling steven a based chad
When did Yea Forums become so pathetic?

it's patronizing to her feelings. steven does that shit all of the time and never gets called out for it.

maybe women are fine with that but not me.

I didn't like the ending either. Leaving a vulnerable gem who needs help in the care of the Diamonds, even after they were sung to, seems like a really bad idea.

That's just it Steven. In war it doesn't matter who's right.All that matters is who's left.

>You should just try being happy
>btw I'm basically god and never faced a direct threat to my existence

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at this point was hoping she won and destroyed the earth desu

steven is literally space jesus

The cluster wasn't a direct threat to his existence?

I bet even if the planet was destroyed Steven would still be there.

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The fuck? Devilman??

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dubs of kek

>Season Six episode will be Spinel making friends on Homeworld and Steven dealing with the Diamonds not being the center of her attention
AND STEVEN HUGS SPINEL

>you were wronged
>instead of getting even or some form of justice; you just have to put in more effort and pro-long the pain by getting over it

I know Pink Diamond is GOOOONE and Spinel had no way of giving Pink a piece of her mind, but I hate this shit that people who were royally screwed over are just supposed to forgive and forget.

There is no justice Spinel can achieve. There is nothing she can do. You cannot admonish, punish, or seek recompense from the dead, and the only person that wronged her so terribly is dead.
She doesn't have to forgive, either. But punishing the innocent living is not justice in any form, it is blindly lashing out in aimless hate. She even admits she was just performing some stress relief on a bunch of strangers. If you need it to be spelled out for you, that's wrong.

You ever notice how all the other gems when knew what a rejuvenator was were exceedingly wary about it even being in arm's reach but Spinel was twirling it like a marching flag?
Poor girl was probably going to kill herself even if she got her ""revenge"".

At the very least, Steven could TRY and apologize. What he did was half-assed and barely even counted as an apology. He didn't hug her, he didn't try and understand her pain, and at the first opportunity he told her to piss off and leave the earth.

The fuck does Steven have to apologize for? Existing? He doesn't know Spinel and Spinel isn't his problem. Also he was in the middle of a crisis? World was ending. Getting Spinel to stand down was his first priority. Helping her emotionally can come after.
>and at the first opportunity he told her to piss off and leave the earth.
Spinel decided that herself. Steven didn't "tell her" anything.

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>I didn't like the ending either.
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I tried.

>Apologize
FOR WHAT? DUDE WASN'T EVEN IN THE WORKS

He had nothing to apologize for, and he would have let her stay despite what she did if she didn't choose to leave by herself.

Having Spinel turn back to her basic form doesn't rub me right. It's basically like pretending what she went through didn't happen. And the whole "oh it was just a misunderstanding" thing feels cheap, even if the Diamonds are just lying to make her feel better.
I saw this "reformed" Spinel a little while ago that I thought was pretty good.

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Wow, I really like that pic. And yeah, I can see it being kind of cheap after I wrote it. I just hate that she just LEFT with the Diamonds, likely written out. I wanted her to stick around.

Daily reminder Steven did this to her.
He thought we wouldn't notice because this scene only lasted 1 second.

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What else can he do, he's already at the maximum possible number of friends.

The diamonds weren't just singing a song, they were making an offer. Steven's song didn't really offer her anything.

should've deleted lapis

Easily the worst song of the movie
Felt like Adventure time tier stream of consciousness garbage

That's called confidence, user.

I actually liked it, but i felt it was ultimately kinda unnecessary, and the fact is that one third of the song was basically Steven singing about himself one had no lyrics at all and the last one was the meat where he basically goes "YOU SHOULD CHANGE TOO!".

It was a very smug song, so it wasn't exactly surprising he got fisted in response.

>makes a claim
>claim is refuted
How could this happen

Staying with Steven would have been the wrong thing to do. Given her history with (and literal programming to) Pink, Spinel would have been overly attached to Steven, who would not be able to satisfy her needs for attention and affection. It's kind of like if your heart was strung-out and broken by a girl, so you instead get with her apathetic sister. It's a bad way to address the issue. Spinel needs to get over Pink, and hanging around Steven is the worst way to do so.
The Diamonds would be able to give Spinel that attention and affection to a degree that no other being in the universe could, and I'm sure that, given the Diamond's attempts at reforming to Stevenism and Spinel's association to the family, their relationship would be more than just performer-audience. I'm actually really interested in how this dynamic plays out.
Spinel could use that boost in self-esteem and confidence and become acclimated to modern Homeworld society, which she's probably flourish in. It'll be funny if she became Homeworld's first pop star or something. Whatever her fate is, she's opened up to so many more possibilities this way than if she was still clinging to Pink.
Lastly, unlike what many people are saying here, I'm sure we'll be seeing Spinel again (as long as they lock down the VA). Not nearly as much, maybe couple of times a season (not anytime soon tho). I think the SUMovie is different from most anime/cartoon movies in that it really is part of the series, not a self-contained story where everything returns to the status-quo. The movie added a lot of new elements (Teen Steven, New Homeworld) that would be extremely hard to go back on in the upcoming seasons, so there's every reason to believe that this is part of the main canon and that Spinel would be making her return.

you're right, steven didn't change anything with his words, spinel just had a certain amount of rage she had to take out and then she was done. Though a better ending would have been spinel saying something like "you know, i was starting to get tired of hurting people, i really was, but then you started acting like a real SANCTIMONIOUS PRICK and pissed me off all over again!"

Steven had absolutely nothing to apologize for. He's not his mom and did not perform any of the same actions that she did. Her crimes are not his to take the fault for.

Not to mention Spinel literally admitted she was just going to kill his home for no other reason than venting her frustration. Dude can give a lot to people, but even that would make it hard to be any more sympathetic.

I don't like her tear marks being reduced to eyelashes. I feel like they're a very important part of her design and shouldn't be wiped away.

This is some hyperbole nonsense. You liked "Isn't It Love?" more? Hey, you know what this series hasn't had enough of apparently? Garnet singing about how she's made of love. She certainly won't do it again and better before this movie is over. It's the song that did the absolute least for the plot and felt like pure "She's the fan favorite!" pandering.

Did you forget the part with no lyrics had them talking and set up the third part?

He did nothing wrong, whatever his mom did is not his fault,

Bitch I already have enough friends, get your ass to The Fagbarn 2.0 aka Little Homeworld!

I love how she literally just hits him with a Gomu Gomu No Kong Gun from one piece in response to this song.

To be fair, she’s very hurt he would try singing again after betraying her after their duet.

>and Spinel had no way of giving Pink a piece of her mind
there is a way
maybe not to the real Pink, but something that looks like Pink

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>She is clearly not being literal about playing
>Steven is still thinking she is
Is Steven loosing his empathic powers? It could be interesting to see someone getting progressively weaker as his story advances.

The lyrical part is mediocre but kinda carried by the action and animation, but dont tell me that boss music instrumental interlude while SPINel finally lives up to her name isn't kino

You know the kind of woman who does nothing but bad things and then wonders why her life sucks? Well, that was my mom. Every time something good happened to her, something bad was always waiting around the corner for me: karma. That's when I realized that I had to change. So, I made a list of everything bad she have ever done, and one by one I'm gonna make up for all her mistakes. I'm just trying to be a better person. My name is Steven.

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He was still "reset" at that point in time. Notice how his personality regressed into bull-headedly seeking a single result, shouting catchphrases while trying to force his powers to work, etc. That's how he was at the start of the show.

Is this the power of aggressive pacifism?

That has always been Steven's thing. His powers are almost entirely defensive and support for that reason. The best offensive move he has is putting spikes on his bubble shield which can only hurt someone if they're attacking him or if someone else throws him while he's doing it. Defend yourself until they have no choice but to talk it out.

>The best offensive move he has is putting spikes on his bubble shield which can only hurt someone if they're attacking him or if someone else throws him while he's doing it
Well at least until his pink half showed he can create shockwaves by rapidly expanding his shield in all directions.
He doesn't wanna do that though, somebody might get hurt.

Although he did do that when he got his powers back, it pushed Spinel back and knocked her to the ground.

He’s pretty strong though.

That's an understatement. Dude was able to budge the injector while he was operating on 40% gem power.

*shing*

This was the best part of the movie. So fucking satisfying

Like mother, like son

Steven could theoretically just learn to beat the shit outta people, but that's just now how he rolls. He'd prefer to use his strength to lift and throw rather than punch. That said those Shield gloves he made in the movie would be pretty great for hand to hand boxing. Greg should take Steven to the gym for some "just in case" boxing training. I bet Uncle Andy knows a guy.

How much control does Steven have over his strength anyway?

>greg takes steven for some boxing lessons
>the first person steven punches doesn't have a head anymore

Obviously the answer is to bring Garnet along as his sparring partner. If anyone knows about punching it's Garnet.

You don't start with punching people's heads, you start with punching those mats they hold in their hands.
So at best he breaks somebody's arm and has to heal that with some kisses.

Prol'y

God his voice sounded so good.

If this was other show the moment Steven put his guard down the villain would murder him

I dont consider Spinel a threat or a villain.
The message is not wrong but its something that will work in this show universe aka a safepace.

>Bubble himself.
>Float to the moon base.
>Punished steven invades homeworld.
>Talk no jutsus an army.
>Murdercocks the diamonds.
>the offspring are Sneople.

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His eyes are closed because he trusts her

Well she was correct.
It took 3 songs to get her to finally calm her crazy ass down.

Underrated

>Steven doesn't actually care about people. He cares about looking like he cares about people.

anons, kind of an honest question: let's say this is right. in this context, what's the difference? maybe steven doesn't really care that much about her. she's had some sympathetic moments, but she's also threatened the complete genocide of all organic beings on the planet, so not a good ratio of likability from his perspective. but maybe steven wants to be the kind of person that cares about people in general, and so even if he doesn't feel it, he behaves as if he does.

and consider the sacrifice required for him to do so -- in the face of one of his most dangerous attackers, he's deliberately putting his defenses down. so even if his feelings aren't "real" for her, aren't the results the same anyway? and maybe he's an even better person to push against his worst instincts in pursuit of higher ideals?

>t. a person that often feels no empathy for others but wants to be a "good person" so he chooses his actions based on what he wishes he was rather than his actual feelings

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It’s all about actions, doesn’t matter what the reasons are, maybe you work in a soup kitchen to look good, starving people are still getting fed, they don’t care.

>what's the difference?
in one case i get to feel morally superior

She's just gonna grab some ciggarettes.

Anybody got a link to the soundtrack?

Think sug.rocks is the link to check

Nah

I'm sorry I ain't an easy meal

Said the monkey to the crocodile

The crocodile cries.

You're a retard, as much as people love to deny it Rose cared way more about the well-being of others than Steven *ever* did.

That would be interesting but also contrast with Sugar's cake and eat it too mindset. Steven exists because Rose/PD wanted to create a "Gem" that could change after her 13 reasons why fake war got most of her allies killed/mutated. Steven not feeling anything but giving false hope and saccharine diatribes to placate people/fulfill his own ego is exactly what his mom PD did and it backfired on her horribly.

Even the show has this happen during the movie that for as much as Steven claims he's better than his mother, he's doing the exact same things but this time getting away with it because of guilt and everyone babying him like they did with PD.

Honestly Movie Steven was forshadowed and is truly the real Steven overall. All he wants is his happy ending where he's pampered with the silver spoon back in his mouth. We see this when he shacked up Lapis & Peridot just to get them out of his hair, how he bubbled Bismuth but only via Plot Armor did she jump on his bandwagon since PD=RQ, and both ZooMans/Jasper were forgotten. He's just as selfish as his mom but since he's the only thing they have left of her, he gets away with it since the Diamonds/CGs/etc don't want to lose "her" again. When White Diamond showed she really doesn't care for "equal life forms" and is only doing so to keep Steven happy shows how much of a failure/hypocrite Steven truly is. He never redeemed them for good let alone for the right reasons, all he did was replace one co-dependent relationship for another like he did with Lapidot & Spinel+Diamonds.
>TL;DR
Steven might not have all of PD's memories but he's actually more like his mom that he'll admit and in the worst possible ways.

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>maybe women are fine with that but not me

listen to yourself user judgment of a gender like this over a show in Yea Forums where lots of male characters are holier than thou at times but we love em anyways.
don´t believe in your own shit to strongly.

>sug.rocks
lol That name. Many thanks, user!

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you got to admit. spinel in the sky with the diamonds is sure to be an interesting dynamic. probably in the same way as lapis and peridot becoming friends of screen in a barn. i wish we was able to see it

Why does spinel look like Demifiend from SMT?

>YOU have to make a change
>but no one else has to change for you

This sends the wrong message... I mean, I have tied to make a difference and yet no one has accepted me yet.

being sunshine up the arse happy is what gives steven his powers. i wonder if steven will ever find himself repeating his mothers mistakes. that would cover for this shows lack of any real conflict.

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nah man, that's just too gay for steven universe

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Pearl is such a cunt.

i know you're playing around a few irony layers deep or whatever but this is a really cynical interpretation of the show my dude. i mean steven ain't perfect, but like part of the show's theme is that he is not perfect and that's ok, it's fuckin explicit about that shit. he's doing his best or whatever, and so far his best is pretty fucking effective??

and the standard by which you're judging him so poorly is impossible to achieve for even an extraordinary person. and for the majority of this series he's a fucking prepubescent boy -- and he's still holding his own against an ancient semi-immortal galactic empire. imagine yourself at 13/14 yrs old in any of his situations my man, i woulda been uber fucked i tell u hwat.

>All he wants is his happy ending
why do people complain about flaws that the show creators put there on purpose to be the beginning of a character arc? you know he doesn't end with this mindset right. not to mention that he's serving as an audience analog that the show creators want to chastise.

i mean fuck

*tried

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christ I really ought to draw more perspective

He was legitimately thinking about resetting her.

Steven doesn’t give a shit anymore.

No, because like literally every problem he has ever faced, he can just talk it down. He's never met anything he couldn't talk down or sing into submission. He's invincible, because he lives in a universe where every enemy is vulnerable to the thing he's best at doing.

Believe In Steven

Steven doesn’t have to. He knows he’s not Rose. He’ll try help her but he’s not gonna say sorry for something he didn’t do.

He’s just tired, he should have a life beyond his mother’s mistakes. But he’s not getting that and he has to learn to live with that. All he can do is try to be better than she was.

hmm

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You can't strip the message of context. The other person is malicious, taking out anger on others and going through with it despite knowing that with a "it's too late to stop" and finding any reason to justify it. Steven is just ready to accept her if she changes.

>AND STEVEN HUGS SPINEL
0/10 alternate ending, too unrealistic. I'm fine with most AU's and unlikely ships and other fanmade stuff but let's not get carried away here.

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VIOLENCE BREEDS VIOLENCE

BUT IN THE END IT HAS TO BE THIS WAY

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stop being obsessed with this meme

maybe Steven isn't obligated to hug the person that just 1 minute ago wanted to kill every living thing out of spite? it's good she made the first step, but the standard for hugs should be higher.

I admit to being cynical however the issue is that this 16+ older Steven hasn't really grown. Here he is broadcasting his victory lap speech about making Intergalactic Peace when he knows that it's a lie based on a flimsy guilt trip. The show doesn't play this as a fault, they play it as a virtue of him being a chipper smiler in the face of adversity when in actuality he's just sweeping everything under their bed like a teenager does when their mom tells to clean their room.

This is exactly what PD did with all of her lies, obfuscations, etc. It can be argued that it was with the "best" intentions but that doesn't excuse the consequences everyone else had to face for her actions. Steven time and time again decries with tears in his eyes that he's not responsible for his Mom's actions and he's better than her. Now he's doing the exact same things his mom did and thinks that because he can cry and sing instead of holding a sword and shield that makes a difference when it doesn't.

Also you're argument about other beings not being able to handle it only works because Steven was born special like a default shounen protagonist. He doesn't redeem/win his battles because of his beliefs but because he's the last vestige of PD that everyone wants to hold onto lest he shuns them/commits suicide like his mother did.

Also yes I would admit that without being born with Diamond Powers, the guilt trip my alien mom made, and 3 (technically 4) magical babysitters kissing my boo-boos, I would be fucked as my 13 year old self. However I'd still try and work harder than Steven, respect my dad a lot more for being a single parent who can provide a beach house for us, and encourage others to investigate/reverse engineer Gem Tech to fight back. I'm not Gem Jesus so I know I can't cry for nepotism points to win my battles.
>Just a flaw guys
Except they play it as a virtue and he only believes it more. "Happy ever after never ends", especially when you don't deserve it.

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Happily ever after never ends because you're always constantly working. English motherfucker do you speak it.

Peridot and Lapis didn’t give a shit about PD and he helped them anyway, White’s whole breakdown was based off learning Steven was Steven and not Pink. And Steven loves and respects his dad a lot, don’t know where you’re getting that, and it’s not a lie, he helped the Diamonds and that led to them ending the genocide shit because they care about him, not perfect, but nothing ever is.

And the Diamonds might still be in the early phase of becoming good, basically saying what Steven tells them but it's only been 2 years and they've lived thousands of years, it's gonna take a while for them to genuinely change.

pretty much all of you premises are so wrong that i don't even know what to do with you. i feel bad, are you projecting your problems onto this show or something, did someone that looks like steven molest you

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God they never got Pink's legs to stand up straight? She looks like she's teabagging the whole planet. Or about to drop a fat gem shit.

Is he though? All he did was build a new Donut Sign for the coffee shop, have a cookout, do a rockband concert, and put on a suit to get a bouquet like the spoiled Ms. Universe pageant winner he truly is. Do we actually see him make sure Spinel is alright on Homeworld, do we actually see him making sure they keep their word and are on their best behavior? Does he follow up making sure any of the problems he's "fixed/redeemed" actually stick? No, he just keeps his small beach city bubble primped and pampered and back pats himself for it. Other than tears and existential dread (which everyone else in the cast also suffers), what work other than nepotism and plot armor did he do. Everyone has already said it, Spinel redeemed herself. Steven just went through the motions like he always does and got another handout "win" so he can go back to his idyllic beach paradise. In the end Steven never changed, he did exactly what he's been doing every single season. Cry, Sing, get "scared", then get a handout win, doesn't follow through on checking up on his "win", and then grandstands for just paring up a damaged person with even more damaged people in a toxic co-dependent relationship. That's not work, that's literally being a perpetual child that pawns off their problems to someone else or puts them out of sight/mind rather than dealing with them.

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That was the point of the story, dude. You can’t save everybody, but sometimes they can save themselves.

Actually are you okay user? I know you'll Believe in Steven irregardless of what he does but a lot of you true believers always think calling someone a molestation victim is right and makes everyone else wrong. Are you sure you don't have issues, you're not forcibly fusing on people are you and projecting your guilt onto everyone else right?

What did she mean by this?

Then why is Steven acting like it's a win for him like he's done any work then? It only works when you realize the "Universe" in Steven Universe means that no matter what Steven does, the "Universe" will bend over backwards to make sure he's always happy, content, and gets his happy ever after regardless of what he does. If so then that's technically a true statement, plot armor will always win in the end and you'll always be able to coast as long as you have it.

>irregardless
Not discounting your argument (I couldn't even read past that word) but the word you're looking for is regardless.

>Big Boss not being able to kick steven's ass
bruh

Um...Thanks grammar nazi user for bringing to light a non-standard word that means the same thing as regardless. Are you sure you don't have a reading disorder, one word shouldn't completely shut down your reading comprehension.

>There's no such thing as a happily ever after. I'll always have more work to do.
Kinda sad how after the events of the movie he realizes no matter how many empires he demolishes or how many gems he saves, new threats will always be waiting around the corner.

Enter. Chadren.

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Steven stomps. With love.

That was amazing Steven look at the gift i made for you

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/ss/?

All he's ever dealt with were sensitive female beings. What happens when immensely powerful war-crazed lunatics travel to his universe? Will he finally ascend to chadhood and become the ultimate offensive powerhouse?

If by /ss/ you mean Dominator putting his hand inside Steven ass while launching tons of tonfs of magma and ice so his gem brokes then yes

A defensive one but maybe?

>Fisted to death
Hot

I feel like Jasper kinda filled that role, but they're writing allegories and the topic of an inherintly violent person is one they didn't have an answer to, was too dangerous for the show, and/or was too much for kids so they kinda just wrote Jasper into a corner where she hurt herself and would never be a threat again.

Peridot and Lapis were forced into Steven's cadre because of PD's actions and had to do so to survive. Lapis couldn't return to homeworld because she would be shattered or at worst put back into the mirror. Peridot failed her mission which either gets you shattered or on the shattering block until you succeed. She's outnumbered, outgunned, and without the PD reveal she was fucked either way. CGs bubble her for all eternity or Homeworld shatters her and makes a Gem Abomination out of her.

White's Breakdown on realizing Steven is Steven in real life would make someone even more angry, spiteful, and violent. White was looking for an out, that she didn't drive her little sister to suicide and she was playing pretend this entire time. Imagine having to come to the guilt that she chose to kill herself and give birth to what might as well be a Gem Abomination rather than return home or talk to you ever again. Anyone else would see Steven as a parasite wearing the skin of their dead family member and take out their cognitive dissonance on that thing rather than kiss up to it and put it on a pedestal.

When I say respect I wouldn't keep him out of the house in a van, regardless of whatever my three magical babysitters tell me to. Steven sees him as a cool rockstar sure I'd see him for more than just cool guitar dad in a van and for much as he forces everyone to bend to his tantrums, I'd make sure the Gems respect him as much as I do and don't try to sequester him from my life.

Sure nothing's perfect and you're right, nepotism works out more often than actual merit or belief in morality. However Steven needs to quit believing that he's winning via his "humanity" or whatever morals he's spouting.

As much as Steven is Gem Jesus he's put himself in the God Paradox. People only act that way because they believe he's around to judge/be with them. If HE'S GONE for any reason, then everything falls and changes for the worse.

I was thinking more using him as a fucktoy but that also works.

What was even the point of making t his movie?Was this a story that really needed to be told?

So we can get the only good thing out of this show.

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Partially for fun, because believe it or not, lots of people just like fun. Partially to establish an older Steven when they continue at some point like they said. I think the best description I heard though was it was a victory lap. The finale gives us some of the last final answers and confrontations we needed but didn't really feel about the gems or like much closure for the characters. This was kinda to go back, kinda retread some ground, but also just kinda give a final more personal wrap up to the main characters.

Best way to adjust the audience to the time skip

So what was Steven so afraid of asking the diamonds for help. He can get to homeworld in seconds. Did he just not want to deal with their shit?

He was being stubborn. Peridot tells him to ask the diamonds for help, glorious Yellow Diamond would have stomped her!

I agree. I really like the confidence Steven shows in the movie. Dismantling a tyrannical empire and turning it's queens into doting aunts just does that to a guy, I guess

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Meta wise or in universe wise? I can think of a few reasons in universe that are hinted at but no one ever directly answers it so that's left to speculation. Will actually probably get an episode or even an arc in season 6.

Meta wise because then we just have a Steven that answers everything by calling the diamonds and that's no fun for anyone. Same reason Tony Stark or Thor doesn't just show up in Winter Soldier. Could they go through the trouble if giving us a direct explanation? Sure, but that doesn't contribute anything to the story outside of the non autists trying to stat this like it's an RPG system.

outside of some autists**

I read so many posts here nowadays demanding a specific explanation for X and Y and even when presented with several obvious possibilities, it's always "Lazy writers!" that they didn't give you a specific one in writing. How much of these threads nowadays are just spent trying to play a shitty game of gatcha because hours of this show aren't dedicated to giving us every single tiny detail in soulless exposition? Do you really want Steven Universe to become Kingdom Hearts?

Extremely based.
Believe in Steven

sad
youtube.com/watch?v=YbBaGRboDVs

Few stories NEED to be told. It was entertaining. What else do you want?

This entire post is based. You're a good person even if you don't feel it, user.

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I agree. The only thing you have to do is try to do the right thing.

he sings well

imagine if his voice had grown to make him sound like danny devito or something

The best part is how Yellow still does the tyrannical hand thing singing this song. Old habits never die.

I mean Peridot spoke to Steven for about 20 seconds and was going to swat him like a fly and she was going to restart the kindergartens to make some gems before the cluster emerged, which would have caused immense suffering to life on Earth until it exploded. The bad gems he has met have been so callous towards organic life, yet he makes good friends with them and turns them around because he cares, so why should he be any different towards Spinel due to her wanting to kill all life on Earth?

>villain comes to destroy the Earth
>Steven tries doesn't even try to stop her, just focusses on redeeming her
>villain destroys the Earth
>Steven redeems her after the fact, and then fixes the Earth with his super powers
Steve Universe = Jesus Christ

believe in Steven, user. He believes in you.

Getting singing lessons since you’re a young kid, paid for by a big company, will do wonders.

>villain comes to destroy the Earth
True
>Steven tries doesn't even try to stop her,
False
>just focusses on redeeming her
Not really, he just focuses on getting her to turn off the drill before the Earth is destroyed. And even then, near the end he's basically telling her to calm down and fix herself.
>villain destroys the Earth
Just Beach City
>Steven redeems her after the fact, and then fixes the Earth with his super powers
He doesn't redeem her, he just lets her get her happily ever after when the Diamonds show up.

He's not the serbian pesident

I wonder is Spinel comes back to Earth and tells Steven he was right about happily ever afters not being real. I wonder if Steven secretly knows the Diamonds are going to be a constant nightmare for him.

>Just Beach City
The show literally told us the poison would destroy the entire planet. Steven just stopped it with his godly powers before ti could make it that far.

This
They've been set in their way for millennia. Two years and their care for Steven is enough to quit all that full stop? It's a hell of a stunt if that shit is just a quick half-ass to appease him. They've made huge strides in what is comparatively a tiny span in their lives.

I think that’s why it’s a genuine change. Pink was the glue that held them together, even if they didn’t see it when she was alive. Now they have a second chance to do things right again. And White has accepted she isn’t perfect, which is fucking huge.

>singing lessons
more like Melodyne will do wonders

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Thanks for the laugh

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Doesn't he have a singing double or something? I don't imagine it would be that hard to get one. Crying out loud, the Diamonds are literally all Broadway actresses (or at least yellow and white. I think Blue is an independent singer or something).

there wasn't really an argument that he treated them differently. and he doesn't really where comparable. but consider the differences in motivation:

peridot
>just following orders
>behavior is logical
>danger is collateral damage
>doesn't know shit about earth life
>has been shown to be cautious and will readily retreat as necessary

spinel
>knows everything already
>actively hates steven and the CGs
>destruction for the sake of destruction
>chaotic and unpredictable
>deliberately misreads evidence in bad faith as an excuse to continue lashing out

>deliberately misreads evidence in bad faith
user, that's very ironic. I doubt she was deliberately looking for an excuse to chimp out. She has abandonment issues and maybe even gem BPD - that's very different from just flat-out having bad faith.

nah these days you need that less and less. he's a voice actor, so he can already interpret lines well. all he has to do is vaguely carry a tune and the music editor can use Melodyne to get him the rest of the way there. I'm pretty sure I could hear them adding vibrato with it too.

even if it's unconscious, i still call it "in bad faith" because she is taking the worst possible interpretation of everything and being (unconsciously) deliberate about it. she's looking for a reason to justify her mistrust.

It’s not really “in bad faith” because that would imply that she deliberately misinterpreted Steven, and also was being dishonest in her good conduct after being returned from the garden.

>looking for a reason to justify her mistrust.
I don't think that's the right way to put it. Before counseling, I was in her same boat. Similar issue wth trusting people, similar issue in keeping friends to to being too boisterous, etc. The problem isn't that you're trying to find ways to justify your views by shoehorning the circumstances into them, but rather, it's the other way around: you see what parts of the situation do fit your view and find it super hard to trust the other parts that contradict it. It was very easy for her to see Steven as just wanting to use her and then abandon her again because its happened to her before. It seems logical for someone who's suffering from what she suffers from. Negative experiences have away of gripping the mind: it's unlikely that I'll be struck by lightning while on the observation deck of a skyscraper, but if it's happened to me before, you bet your ass I'm not setting foot near the Sears Tower. even though logic clearly says "the chances of that happening again are literally one in a billion" the traumatized mind shoots back with it's own flawed logic - "yeah well, I must either be that one in a billion, or those electric burn scars on my back are just a figment of my imagination." Anecdotal fallacy is an extremely common and easy trap for a hurt person to fall into. Even with the clear logic that Steven meant her no harm, she's been harmed before, and by someone she trusted, much less her son who she just met. Is Steven being nice? yes, but so was Pink Diamond. The fact than he knows her story and should dam well know better than to repeat it isn't something Spinel, or any person in her shoes would easily consider. Something bad that actually has happened (though unlikely to repeat) has a tendency to overshadow a good thing that has't happened yet.

>tl;dr: It's not that someone hurt is looking for excuses - it's that their own experiences preclude logic, and they need someone to prove them wrong.

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I mean, what if you try to be good to others because you’re sick of the shit people go through and want to see them be happy?

That means you have some form of empathy

i feel you bruh. i was painting with too broad strokes.
i hope you're doing better now, it sounds like you are

A lot better. It's never perfect: that part of your mind insisting the pessimistic outcome for anecdotal evidence's sake will always nag you, but you just power through it. bad times still come, but you can't wait for someone to come along to prove you wrong - sometimes that person just needs to be you.

That feel
>bullied relentlessly for 16 years
>move past it and have good friends who I trust implicitly
>am always on my guard anyway just in case, meaning I get tired of social interaction after a while because I have to suppress the fight-or-flight response bubbling in the back of my mind
it’s exhausting

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Vanilla pearl is a sweety

i really do want people to be happy. but it's a very passive want. but maybe because it's all the empathy i possess, just that vague notion, it's something i feel stronger than almost anything when it emerges. but i can't rely on it, unfortunately.

i want you to be happy, anons. this i feel sincerely. whatever amount of love i am capable of feeling, i'm sending you 100% of it.

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It's not my reading comprehension, it's my desire to keep going. The ir- in "irregardless" would be a second negative since the "less" is already negative, making the word itself a double negative of sorts.

LET IT RIP.

>Peridot failed her mission which either gets you shattered or on the shattering block until you succeed.

Peridot fucked up three times, lost her ship, lost Jasper, contacted Yellow via a secret diamond line, and sassed her. With all that in mind up to calling her a clod yellow was still completely willing to get her rescued and shipped off to her other assignment. If Peridot had never started to give a fuck about Earth she'd currently be doing some other maintenance work rather than shattered.

If you're unconsciously doing something, it is by definition not deliberate.

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Steven honest to God dropped the ball on her
Guess it's from her mother's side

youtube.com/watch?v=tisHBqI2tVk

IF I'M THE ONLY ONE TO STAND, I WILL NOT BE AFRAID TO FIGHT

BREAKING OUT OF HERE TONIGHT

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She should have just fisted him.

I've been meaning to ask, what's with the spergs your show attracts?

>He cares about looking like he cares about people
a.) unless I've terribly misjudged the show, that is incorrect. It is a children's cartoon.
b.) assume it were, that would be a GOOD thing- a story about a saintly all-loving hero becoming so lost and embittered that he's just running on fumes and something he's terrified might be contempt sounds amazing. I've never heard that before. Like I wanted to do a webcomic where a videogame protagonist goes through stories and any character development he gets makes him less inhuman and more straight evil, but through it all he was always going to like people.

by the way if the person I'm responding to reads this, mr. functional sociopath in the responses doesn't actually believe you, he's just disappointed you can even think like that and doesn't know how to articulate it. Been there before.

That means you have empathy(fag)

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AI can be so harsh.

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Pink wasn't wrong to leave her, she never would have kept her secret like Pearl did.
Steven not throwing her in the barn is stupid, Lapis and Peridot also both threatened the earths organic life on a global scale. No reason to lob her at the diamonds so she can get pissed off again.

its not like he didn't offer. spinel chose to not live on Earth

Wasn't exactly a choice for her. He offered without considering her point of view. He actively tried to convince multiple gems to stay on earth despite them saying they wanted to leave. Spinel was asked by three diamonds to come with them and her alternative was staying with pink/steven who didn't like her.

>Yes spinel YOU CAN CHANGE
>it's not like your anger is justified or anything
>it's not like I've activily treated you like shit this whole time
>but seriously killing the whole planet is a bit too far, even if me and my mom have treated you like shit

what the fuck happened to his neck?
Did he deage or something

>I've never heard that before.
its been pretty common in novels for centuries, and mythology too for that matter

It is pretty fucking far
Don’t ask for consistency in SU

Destroying an entire biosphere is a pretty disproportionate response to being left alone for a while.

The level of action required to justify anger is magnitudes apart from the level of action required to justify violence.

>it's a Steven tells a trauma victim to just get over it movie

It’s almost like it’s basically a feature-length episode of the TV series

Is it really trauma if most people can handle being rejected and abandoned without freaking out?

I'm supposed to be a friend.
I just wanna be your friend.

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I mean 6000 years of isolation probably didn’t help.

Well, it was rejection and abandonment taken pretty far, as it was
>perpetrated by her only real friend
>said friend died before any closure happened.
>said friend also made new friends to replace her
>it all comes crashing down on her in literal seconds from the broadcast.

no one has experienced abandonment to that extent. These are nigh timeless beings with the emotional capacity of regular humans.

It was only 6000 years! I could do that standing on my head!
>squeak squeak

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This is the power of TWO Murdercocks. She never stood a chance.

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It wasn't "just get over it lmao", it was "you need to at least begin the process of moving on for the sake of yourself and everyone you are hurting".

Was genuinely expecting her to attack him once he let his shield down, Made it so when she started backing away from him once he did hit harder.
Then the fucking Injector blows up when things start calming down.
I still feel we got robbed of a good talk between the two.

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Steven Gregg fusion actually out-chads Gigachad.

its there, just hidden by the collar

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His shoulders are hunched up in all 3 of those shots it's hidden. Mixed with a fat face, and having a small neck to begin with, it makes sense to me.

In Spinel's case, she cannot make it right. It can literally never be made right because the person who made it wrong is dead. That's her tragedy. She'll never get the revenge she deserves.

Living well is the best revenge

But that sucks.

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