Castlevania

Had some glaring flaws, but in the end, I liked it a lot. Even rewatched it a few times. I just wish Trevor did more.

Netflix Sypha is top waifu.

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>Netflix Sypha is top waifu.
Based taste

it was great

The pacing could be a bit slow at times, and I wish that they had fleshed out one or two more of the vampire higher-ups, but I enjoyed it quite a bit.

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>The Higher Ups
Yeah honestly that was IMHO the biggest problem. The only ones with personality outside of the Forgemasters were Camilla and Godbrand, and Camilla was a fucking cardboard cut out of a "Strong Feminist Character" who was just some stupid bitch we're supposed to take seriously compared to the ironically far more nuanced and compelling Godbrand, who sadly died.

>everyone was uninteresting, the politics were all over the place and not well thought out, and it was just a slog to get through.
So like the actual aSoIaF?

Nah it got to the point and didn't waste too much of our fucking time it was just a bit boring because Camilla sucks the fun out of things and Godbrand died early despite being the better character.

I assume that they felt they could only establish so many characters with the time they had, but I would have liked a little more interplay between the vamps on the different sides of the coup.

At least Godbrand was a fucking idiot and was fun to watch. It's like the show thought it could sell people on the fact that Carmilla actually stood a chance at overthrowing Dracula.

I feel like there were a lot of good pieces but they weren't put together right. The plot kept going in directions that made stuff that happened before meaningless or a waste of time.

They spent so much time developing vampire politics but at the end all it amounts to is just sequel bait. The final battle almost immediately devolves from a 3-on-1 to a 1-on-1 fight between Alucard and Dracula, and at the end of it they don't even really beat him, he just lets himself die for reasons that basically amount to coincidence.

The "river fight" episodes was one of the most hyped moments I've seen in years.

It went from a nice 10 MPH to over 3,000 MPH in a blink of an eye and I couldn't believe what I say happen. In the span of about 7 minuets I went from thinking "Gee, there's a lot of unrelated side plots, it's going to be at least 2 more seasons before we can wrap up this story" to "WE ARE ENDING THIS HERE AND NOW!" and I couldn't have been happier.

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Camilla is so shit that she made me flaccid even with the bdsm and puppy talk. Too annoying for my dick I guess.

Also the bants and saying fuck every minute made the writing feel infantile somehow. Like some middle schooler trying to act "mature".

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I still liked how Dracula's death was handled in the end though, in the sense that it doesn't feel like a grand victory at all. Just a son tragically putting a grieving madman that could have been so much more out of his misery.

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>YFW Bloody Tears

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Yeah.

Really, again, the biggest problem with the politics and why they feel so fucking long is there's not much there.The driving force behind the coup attempt is Camilla, who's a fucking idiot. She's stupid enough to think she can try it, stupid enough to come up with a stupid ass plan that wouldn't have even worked without literally total freak accidents occurring, and then stupid enough to implement it basically by herself.

They could have worked with that, but to do so it needed to play out with her getting smacked down or someone more intelligent taking over. Because she's literally the stupidest character in the series. Half the shit she knew she learned from Godbrand and he went about things in a far smarter manner than her, just got randomly fucked over by having the bad luck to try and talk to Isaac.

If there'd been more interplay, and Camilla wasn't presented like she's supposed to be competent and capable and dangerous and shit, the politics wouldn't have seemed half as long as they did.

>botched and character assassinated everyone
>le religion bad science good always!
>stronk wahmons
>stoopid incompetent myn ruining everything
>fujo bait

Decent, tho their characterization of Dracula sucked shit, especially in season 1

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Taking it individually, yeah, it's an interesting and compelling scene. It's a "good piece". I just don't think it fit into the story they had been telling. If they wanted it to end that way they shouldn't have spent so much time watching the heroes prep for the final battle only for none of it to really matter.

>Godbrand, you've never met anything you didn't immediately kill, fuck, or make a boat out of.
>I don't understand why our lord doesn't tie you up outside with the rest of the animals.
>Bigot! I like boats! I'm a fucking Viking! We're supposed to make boats out of things!
we didn't deserve Godbrand

>>botched and character assassinated everyone
>NES games
>Character

The only scene I really thought it was weird that Camilla didn't get knocked down a peg was when she talked shit about Dracula's wife and didn't get killed two seconds later. I thought she was a serviceable villain otherwise, even if the only reason she came out on top in the end was because Hector was a naive ditz and he didn't run away the second he had the chance.

I hope Isaac's army is the one that brings her army down in the end.

If you look at it Godbrand's actually not that dumb, just kind of an uneducated hick. He both figures out Dracula's deal by himself, comes up with a way better plan than Carmilla's, and actually learns from his mistakes and is smart and mature enough to work past and through his prejudices. He just crit fails with his judgement calls and tries to turn Isaac who's unreasonably loyal to Drac for reasons Godbrand had no way of knowing.

He correctly surmised that to have any real chance of taking Dracula out he'd need the help of literally everyone. Basically took five seconds to think about the Devil Forgemasters and was like "yeah inhindsight, they're pretty hardcore and I should maybe not be a dick to them for no reason, I used to be human after all." And, again, was the one who figured out Dracula's problems and told Carmilla, who wouldn't have known shit without him.

Tbh the other big problem is that Hector's brain stalled and like fucking forgot she screwed him over for a little while there after the river fight and all that shit. He acts like he's surprised by her shit afterwards when he'd already caught on by then. He could have killed her right there prior to her tinplated fuckbois showing up.

The chinese mist vampires were cool as shit

Yeah no. Like, Fuck Carmilla, what was the Indian chick's deal? Or the crazy cool Japanese mist chick? They seemed both far more capable and more intelligent and I don't think either had a single fucking line.

Pretty good, there's definitely some pacing problems but some scenes really knock it out of the park
>Lies? In your house of God?
Or
>I'm killing our boy, the greatest gift you ever gave me and I'm killing it

Yeah no, McTavish fucking blew it out of the goddamn park as Drac. My biggest hope is we get to hear him do the pile of secrets line when Drac inevitably gets revived.

>Yeah no

I liked the designs and atmosphere but i really didn't like the 'witty banter', it constantly took me out of the show. Trevor reminded me too much of a low rent Jack Sparrow.

It's a midwest thing., it's basically saying "yeah, no, you're right" you'll see them say some times. Largely in the states with some degree of melting pot going on for whatever reason. In a way, it's the midwest version of "y'all".
They don't all do it, but it's pretty common.

I didn't mind the religion bad thing, but why hype up the church as some big threat that's even important to turning Dracula nuts, then just have some generic demon kill off the priest who became the face of the church in the show? What is the fun in that? Just made it feel like a waste of time.

Godbrand was the best part

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Pacing was garbage and the writing was pretty week but the animation was good at least.

Season 1 was maybe 50% good, episode 3 was at its best.
Season 2 wasn't.

>Hey Treffy, want to pull this cart over and stuff me like a thanksgiving turkey over there in the bushes, LIKE ANIMALS HUMPING IN RHE UNDERGROTH so we can continue a long line of monster-killing ultra-Chad’s for the next 500 years? I’m ovulating.
>no way fag

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I thought season 1 was really boring. It just felt like a slog. Part of that was probably because you can predict where each scene is going in the first 5 seconds.
It's also stupid edgy. I'm fine with edge but you have to use it right. You can't show a bunch of gore and then try to make us sympathizes with the guy who caused it.

>It's also stupid edgy.
It just doesn't fit with Castlevania.

Not really. It's not a disaster, but its priorities are kind of strange and aimless and it makes the pacing a chore. The fun of Castlevania -- especially III -- is the scope and adventure, but it completely ignores that in favor of dull intervampire spats and irritating banter. Even within the context of the show itself, nevermind the games, it felt like a waste. I'm sure budget constraints were part of this, but that doesn't make it more fun to watch.

Dracula sparing Isaac is probably the nicest thing he's ever done aside from sparing the old woman leaving flowers for Lisa
All three kept Wallachia (and probably the rest of Eastern Europe) from turning into a bigger bloodbath than it already was. Alucard being the one to put Dracula down doesn't bother me that much because it's been a problem since SOTN anyway.
Some literal who motherfucker re-starting Dracula's forever war against Humanity is pretty much lifted directly from the games. One woman finally manages to tame and rekindle a tiny fucking spark of humanity in Vlad after hundreds of years all for some asshole to fuck it all up because he was too vain and short-sighted to understand what the fuck he was playing with. It's perfect. Perfectly fucked up, but it makes sense. Even the most zealous of I'll kill you and the night Belmonts would have seen what Lisa accomplished in only twenty-ish years and simply wished them well and backed the fuck off.

lolwut? Castlevinia is nothing but edge and goofy bullshit

He was gone too soon

Based

Not only is this wrong I'm pretty sure she ended up pregnant before they got to their first stop

>No Grant..

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Being fair that guy turned into a zombie from the end of S2 might be grant.

Nobody fucking cares about Grant

Jesus christ you'd think fucking everybody cared about Grant

Goofy yes, edgy maybe in more recent instances, but definitely not in Castlevania III.

Carmilla was shit and ultimately useless. All she did was whine about
>muh manchildren
>muh vague lesbianism
I would've preferred a much more conniving and intelligent Carmilla one who, knowing that she and the others together couldn't bring down Drac by force, decided upon other means.
It would have been glorious to have it build up to this, with even the audience convinced that she and her airtight plans are what's going to be the thing that causes Drac's downfall only for the hitherto pathetic, sad and armchair bound
>muh ded waifu
guy rear up surprising all plotters and revealing to the audience exactly just why he's top dog and not any of the others, something that was implied but not truly shown at any point in the show. Why do the other vampires follow Dracula?
Camilla, depsite her best efforts, is beaten and Drac condemns her tainted spirit into a mask to serve him loyally for all eternity.
Perfectly setting up a future antagonist after Drac's fall when she's set free.

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>Castlevania III

>no Beginning
>no Aquarius
>no Grant, or even a hint of Grant

as a real fan, this adaptation sucks

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I liked the first season as a "first act" of sorts, and figured Season 2 was when they'd go into the Castle, but apparently S2 is focused more on OC vampires? That's a shame.

Nah, Carmilla's canon. She's basically an OC, because instead of thirsting after Drac's dick obsessively to a self destructive degree, she's just some man hating strong female protagonist bitch who turns out to be a retard.

The actual OC was Godbrand and he's so fucking good I kinda wish he'd lived and become a good guy.

For an adaptation based on a franchise with such noteworthy and iconic music, it's fucking annoying that they never used any of the game's music outside of that one very flaccid rendition of Bloody Tears.

Season 1 was okay. Season 2 went on for far too long and was dragged down by the lameass Game of Thrones-wannabe vampire politics.

Also why the fuck have there been absolutely no skeletons?

No.

At least not if you're a friend of the old games.
If you're into that reboot garbage, probably.

Because Grant was great in the game.

Alucard lets you skip most of the game. Grant also lets you skip most of the game, and fights better.

Sypha is good for boss fights.

Trevor is absolutely useless once you have any of the others.

inb4 gameplay, none of these fucking characters had real dialogue in that game.

>Edge
Only in the reboot series.
>Goofy
Yes. But in the Japanese style.

The first season was ok; not great even for its 4 episode limit. The second season was absolute dogshit and ignore anyone who says otherwise.
Bad adaptation, bad on its own merit, but considered amazing to the glue sniffing retards that expects something akin to the Super Mario Bros movie or Sonic the Hedgehog movie.

>n-not loyal to muh nes game
>religion is portrayed as evil
>trevor didn't do enough

Oh what, sorry I couldn't hear you crying over

>Season 2 went on for far too long and was dragged down by the lameass Game of Thrones-wannabe vampire politics.
That is a funny thing to say considering it was only 8 episodes but that doesn't stop it from being true.

>Also why the fuck have there been absolutely no skeletons?
Why is less than a quarter of an episode dedicated to exploring the castle? Why is the main antagonist killed in the second season? Why does Isaac pretend to care about preserving eons of knowledge when he is helping Dracula starve himself to death?

>Why is the main antagonist killed in the second season?
I'm sure he'll get revived, assuming there's a third.

Remember when the show tried to make you feel bad about Dracula when he reminiscing about slaughtering an entire town? Remember when the vampire generals raided a village and it had no effect in the plot whatsoever?

That would be nice if they didn't fucked Hector's character and fail to introduce Death or anything to distinguish Dracula from other vampires besides being Vampire President.

Dracula comes back all the time. And Isaac's pretty clearly fucked in the head, so who knows. The director wants to go all the way through to Soma if he can so Drac dying so he can come back more lunatic than before as a metaphorical "His humanity died" thing makes sense even if it could have been way better done.

....

Plus McTavish's probably expensive as shit.

Well, without Grant it wasn't great..

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By the ending of the second season I didn't give a shit about any of the characters.
The stint in the desert with Isaac absolutely bored me to tears and I only felt like skipping forward, the short Carmilla/Hector part was retarded because both those characters were retarded.
Of the "heroic main three" they tried to imbue the ending with some kind of bittersweet or rueful melancholy that just didn't feel earned in the slightest as not enough was focused on these characters compared to building up the pointless distraction that was what everyone ITT has named a shitty "vampire Got".
There was some scenes during these end parts that I thought looked beautiful like Alucard sitting in his father's chair in that dying light, but like I said the emotional weight isn't there. It's not earned. The creators can't expect the audience to feel what they no doubt wanted us to feel when so little was focused on the Alucard/Dracula relationship pre-series.
All of this show was rushed, and what was actually depicted varied from the now oh so typical hamfisted politics flavor of the day and the failed attempt at trying to make protagonists of too many characters at once.
Concentrate on a main few, at first, do it well, focused like. Then if shits successful branch out to supplementaries in later seasons to provide their points of view.
Shit was all over the place and suffered for it imo.

>Dracula comes back all the time.
Because of the Philosopher's Stone and his relationship with Death.
>And Isaac's pretty clearly fucked in the head, so who knows.
I suspect that it is just a cheap way to make him look like he has depth. Just like how Hector acted like he was tricked by Carmilla who told him entire plan to get him on board.

On the chance this gets renewed after S3
>S3
Curse of Darkness
>S4
Lament of Innocence?
>S5
1 and Simon's Quest?
>S6
Rondo of Blood and Symphony of the Night?
>S7
Aria and Dawn of Sorrow?

None of this would ever happen even if this shit's renewed; they'll go down their own crappy trajectory with junk writers and bad direction.
Might as well call it something else entirely.

>fucked Hector's character
I'm not looking forward to seeing Hector or Isaac again, but I don't think I'll bother with a third season anyway. I'm just saying, Dracula's revival is standard and predicted. You can contrive it in any number of ways; it's not like the games ever offered a nuanced and stellar explanation either.

it's getting a season 3

The guy in charge has explicately said he wants to do Aria and Dawn.

Friendly reminder that Adi Shankar doesn't even like the games and is basically just Dave Cox 2.0

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I actually quite enjoyed it and am surprised the reception here has been so negative. It's not great but I thought it was enjoyable enough, I think the release schedule and episode order brought it down though. I'm thinking it's possible it could have been improved by making it a movie or two instead of a television season. The pacing would have been different, perhaps for the better.

Lords of Shadow wasn't great, but its issues weren't from a lack of fidelity. Using the original game as the baseline, LoS is as "Castlevania" as Lament of Innocence or 64. The Netflix series borrows a lot of stuff from the games too; it's just also kind of shit.

This studio is making he-man with kevin smith.

>I'm just saying, Dracula's revival is standard and predicted. You can contrive it in any number of ways; it's not like the games ever offered a nuanced and stellar explanation either.
It is because of the Philosopher's Stone which combination of the Ebony and Crimson Stones. Unlike other vampires, Dracula can keep coming back from the dead. The show just establishes him to be much much stronger than other vampires for no really reason.

I liked it alot, kinda sad people here dont care for it but that seems to be how it goes.
I do agree it has serious pacing issues but I think part of that was that all through season one they didn't know if they were gonna get renewed for a second season so they kinda fucked around I think.
Then with season two they got double the episodes of season one and I think it surprised the writer who had some trouble pacing everything.

Overall though I really enjoyed it and am looking forward to season three.

>I do agree it has serious pacing issues
The problem wasn't the pacing. The problem was that the story was shit.

The only Castlevania music they use and it isn't even from the game it's adapting? Fuck off with that shit.

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I liked the show until they spent the entire second season in a library.

Does he feel in charge?

they butchered the lore of the games to make room for liberal proganda.
in the games the church was a force of good and the pope even sent his agents to help in the fight against dracula.
worst part was the female vampire crying about "white, male vampire privilage"

There were hints of a couple other songs used in the background music.
Doesn't salvage it, but just pointing it out.

Episode 3 from season 1 was a lot closer than what could be done, Trevor fights a boss from the games in the graveyard and stuff... that was even the scene that got everyone hyped in comic-con or something. Episode 4 at least had the Alucard fight, which was still on track.

Then they forget it was Castlevania 3, save for a few scenes, like the Slogra fight. It could have been a bunch of episodes exploring caves, haunted forests and ghost ships, killing skeletons and stuff, GRANT, but noooo. Trevor doesn't even get much of Dracula fighting quality time.

yeah

Weird way of spelling Carmilla but ok

>There was some scenes during these end parts that I thought looked beautiful like Alucard sitting in his father's chair in that dying light, but like I said the emotional weight isn't there. It's not earned. The creators can't expect the audience to feel what they no doubt wanted us to feel when so little was focused on the Alucard/Dracula relationship pre-series.
The creator does expect people to get emotional over sad imagery. They expect people to go "I have a dad. Alucard has a dad. It is sad because it is the same.".

The start of season 2 added nothing to the plot except "Church really bad". It along with other scenes hammered home the idea that humanity deserved it. Lisa talks about science that man has forgotten three times over. This is demonstrated by Lisa giving her patient Penicillin which was discovered on 1928. We are shown a pendant with a picture of Dracula. A competent writer would suspect that this locket was important to the story but it wasn't. The Bishop was just a dick that twist everything that she says to be admission of devil worship yet the locket proving that she literally married to the devil was unimportant. Having Lisa die because her connection to Dracula would make more sense for the story. Not only would it make the Church less cartoonishly evil but:
1) It could be used to explain why Dracula is suicidal. (He feels responsible.)
2) It would give significance to his previous misdeeds rather than him remembering them like it was the "good ol' days."
3) It could have been used as a plot twist to make Dracula see the errors of his ways. (Not that he stops and lets his son stake him like in the show but his resolve weakens. He still fights thinking that he has gone too far to go back.)

You're still conflating the entire fucking church with the lone asshole bishop and his lackeys. You fuckers are so autistic it's ridiculous.

Did you actually read what I posted or is this a reflex?

Trevor's comment that the priest is able to make holy water was put there primarily as an attempt to deflect claims of being anti-Christian or anti-church. However it begs to question, why did they have that asshole bishop as a zombie bless the river when they already had a discussion about whether vampires are hurt by running water? Granted, it is in line with games considering that there are plenty of holy monsters. However, that scene in season 1 no longer proves anything. Not to mention that priests would be blessing all of the rivers and the rains.

>Trevor's comment that the priest is able to make holy water was put there primarily as an attempt to deflect claims of being anti-Christian or anti-church
Holy shit are you fucking serious it's like a fucking conspiracy now?

Adi Shankar literally cite that scene when saying that it wasn't shitting on all Christians. It felt like Season 2 was written with a different mindset. That scene with the demons shit talking that Bishop makes less sense with season 2 when we found out that the demons are mindless creations of Hector.

S1 was alright, S2 lost the plot, it almost feels like they didn't want to make Castlevania.

1 was this tight Prelude to a simple story of 3 dumbasses going on a quest to kill a vampire.
For some reason they decided to amp up the episode count but dedicate most of the runtime to a Game of Thrones-esque Vampire Court drama but only 1 character is interesting, the backstabbing and plotting is boring, and the people fighting for power are just simple one-note characters.
There is nothing really interesting about the Hector/Carmilla/Isaac plot, it's just sorta pretend storytelling where you can tell the guys writing it just wanted to make GOT. It's even structured like a GOT season, "surprise deaths" before the credits hit and all.

The show finds life when it returns to the big 3, the main cast is filled with chemistry and fun character interactions, but they stil lack basic character development in preparation for the finale.
When Castlevania 3 finally starts not only are we already tired but it's not that fulfilling, all the stuff the season builds up in the castle doesn't really return for the fight. I mean, it's fun and there's some good moments, but it's not where everything comes together.

Overral it just feels like a massive waste of time where the people creating it got too ambitious and just weren't talented enough to back that up.
I mean how do you fuck up "3 dumbfucks go on a medieval gothic roadtrip to kill a vampire in a big fuckoff castle"? Genuinely boggles my mind.

Also they played a really weak version of bloody tears on fucking Castlevania 3. It's a theme associated to Simon and they just fucking put it there for le ebin moment. There's no Prelude, no Beginning, no Prayer when they're rising and see the castle, no Aquarius, no Clockwork, but fucking BLOODY TEARS is there. Fucking hell.
They didn't even play Duane and Brando's Castlevania 3 for the credits, I mean, what the fuck were they thinking?

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It has nice fight scenes, but the writing isn't that good. Just watch the action scenes on youtube and be done with it.

Season 2 spent a good part of 8 episodes explaining that Dracula hates humanity because that village killed his wife. Not elaborating on his relationship with his wife, what kind of person he was before and after his marriage, why they fell in love, what his view of humanity prior to meeting Lisa, or how Lisa changed his view of humanity. Nope, it is more important to establish that he is sad and angry but mostly suicidal which doesn't quite make sense. No, it was more important to show a flashback of slaughtering a village while reminding everyone that he could have helped the world had the Church not kill his wife.

Season 1 established him to be angry ball of rage. His son suggested to only kill the ones directly responsible but he is too angry. Then, he nearly kills his son for trying to stop an atrocity that his wife would clearly disapprove.

Then, season 2 came along and we realized that he barely has the energy to leave his throne and he was too depressed to eat. Then, he realized that he fuck up when he nearly kills his kid for second fucking time. The whole point of sadness is to force introspection. It hadn't occurred to him that Lisa wouldn't have wanted this and maybe he shouldn't kill his fucking kid? But no, it is Dracula is sad because people killed his wife 10/10 character development.

I'm not going to pretend that the Castlevania series is a well written masterpiece because the writing was never the highlight of the series. The NES titles had a bare-bones story. Things like Dracula coming back every hundred of years and the castle changing shape is mostly for gameplay reasons. The monsters are mishmash of different works with Death sticking out the most. I think that writers of the show didn't really want to explain why Death is a physical being and is Dracula's evil sidekick. The games are mostly just working what they got with Portrait of Ruins only recently introducing the first official timeline (correct me if I'm wrong). Lament of Innocence is the first game to give context who Dracula is. This is done by giving Dracula an origin that explains why he isn't just an ordinary vampire. While most vampires prolong their life, Dracula has a special relationship with Death due to his alchemy. While Dracula didn't start his war on humanity until Lisa died, he was an asshole that blamed God for the death of his first wife and decided fuck over his best friend. Aria of Sorrow also gave Dracula his end with Dracula's resurrection as Soma Cruz.

Not to say that the games' stories don't have some consistency. It never made an attempt to excuse Dracula's behavior or indulge in bugmen morality and it was always been pro-Christian (partly because Jesus never advocated killing off all humanity for your undead boyfriend). Like I said before, there were holy enemies in the games but the games also had dark magic corrupt people's hearts. Having the zombie Bishop bless the river but not have the darkness corruption aspect and having the "good" Devil Forgemaster go full bugman really makes me suspect that the show's writers are embarrassed with the idea of Trevor throwing cross shaped boomerang or using crosses in the first place. It feeds into the whole agnostic mentality of "there is no such thing as Dark magic or Holy magic" setting (incoming more the Church is anti-"Science" bullshit even if that "science" is summoning literal demons). Yes, Dark Magic has been used to fight Dracula but those are exceptions not the rule. In Order of Ecclesia, it was implied that Barlowe was corrupted by Dominus just like Albus was. Hector's summons are referred to as "Innocent Devils" because "While they are beings born of darkness, their namesake stems from them being largely unaware of their wicked origins and intended malevolent existence, and act ambivalently without selfish or conceited motivations, while being driven to serve and protect their creator, whom they have unwavering and absolute loyalty to.". The games also never tried to say evil was relative and vampires were "pure". So much emphasis was put into how Dracula could have helped the world and how he was a man of science, ignoring how vampires are cunts. I don't think the games elaborated on how Dracula and Lisa fell in love (something about looking like his dead wife) but show didn't do a good job. Modern Vampire stories don't like using crosses because crosses are so explicitly Christian.

In season 1, thought that the Speakers were a group within the Church like Jesuits mostly because of Sypha's canon origin and how the witch burning church in the town put up with them for so long. Then, season 2 had Sypha call the Speakers the enemies of God which sounds like what a villain in the games would say. Sypha could effortlessly create a pillar of ice and chuck it into the forest. However, the show is insistent on keeping Trevor's feats normal human level (that didn't stop Isaac from winning every fight that he was in while Trevor got kicked in the balls). This is supposed to be their reason for not including Grant Danasty yet they had Alucard 1v1 Dracula in a fist fight. I'm guessing that they don't know what kind of dynamic they could give to the team. They turned three of the main cast from devout Christians to various degrees of non-Christian. I don't know about Grant but he isn't in the show so whatever.

To be fair, the actual canon didn't exactly handled Lisa's death very well with Lisa willingly letting herself be killed "to save their souls".

Not enough spooky monsters like Frankenstein or then mummy. Gaibon and Slogra where a tease too.

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Season 1 was meh to me, Season two felt like padding, If you pay attention you would notice that the whole Vampire politics subplot amounted to nothing since non of those characters ended up meeting the heroes.

First season was alright. A little hammy on the magic=science and church=bad, but overall ok.

Season 2 was a dumpster fire with a few good action scenes, and 1 vampire Viking who was pretty badass but didn’t last long enough.

My biggest gripe with season 2 was having our heroes stay in a library for half the season. Castlevania 3 is a roadtrip adventure with Trevor meeting allies along the way. We could have seen cursed fores, spooky graveyards and ancient ruin instead of the same two locations over and over.

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You should count yourself lucky you got any game-centric music at all. As far back as his blog Ellis was telling people they'd get nothing of the fucking sort
Dracula already hated God and humanity back when he was little Matthias Cornhole and got salty because his waifu died while he was out dicking around in the Crusades. He's well beyond merely hating humanity after Lisa. That's the whole point. That's part of what the Vampire court is meant to show (aside from setting up a CoD sequel,) they literally cannot comprehend that Lisa managed to rekindle enough humanity into him that now he even views his vampirism as a curse. There's no introspection left for him. There's just burning it all down and dying in the ashes so he doesn't have to think about Lisa anymore

Wow that makes all that shit even worse doesn't it? I'd totally forgotten about the whole "they aren't actually hellspawn they're just cobbled together constructs" thing.
I actually liked the scene when the demons attack the bishop in the church and their whole "He don't got your back anymore...but we do" thing.

piss in a mug

I can't tell if you're mocking that user or agreeing with him.

Thanks Yea Forums, you encouraged me to FINALLY, after 20 years, find a song I heard in midi (that actually got referenced during the show). The Castlevania Adventure ending.

Wouldn've been way better if the show actually focused on the trio instead of being discount Vampire GoT.

Of course not, they left out Grant.

If you watch it in Latin american Spanish all the vampires speak with an Spain Spanish which is hilarious because Spaniards use their teeth way more often.

>no skeletons?
China

Sorrow Series when?

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I don't see them going back in time for Leon's story and I can see them skipping Simon and going straight to Richter and then continuing into SotN, maybe Shanoa after that

Here's your Grant Bro

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>or even a hint of Grant
yeah, that really fucking sucked

>like 90% of the lolis motivation for fighting is she's pissed off the vampire chick has huge tits

I'm aware of why. But I also am aware that that half-assed explanation came from the moderate trash that is Lament of Innocence and isn't particularly compelling as an explanation anyway.

Something something anti catholocism, blah blah muh Trump

I didn't really mind because I liked most of the library scenes, and I find the concept of ancient libraries full of lost knowledge to be a really bitchin' story element, regardless. Plus it's kind of not their fault, the episode order for season 2 got doubled at the last minute, so they had to pad it out with something simple.

Literally nobody ever cared about Grant until the show omitted him. I get the feeling most of the complaints came from people who never even played the games and didn't know that Grant was like the shittiest ally, but when they went and watched their favorite youtube celeb do a let's play for Castlevania 3, they wondered why this one little brown sprite wasn't also in the show because now they fancy themselves ultimate Castlevania connoisseurs.

IS IT CANCELED?! when's the new season?

>bad writer
>decent studio
this could turn out great, it could turn into another bayformers
time will only tell

>Literally nobody ever cared about Grant until the show omitted him
>people aren't allowed to have favorite characters from the game
By your logic, there shouldn't be anything with sypha either, since people basically only give a shit about the Belmonts and Alucard. Grant SHOULD have been in it. he could've been written far more interesting and given plenty of information to flesh him out plenty - again,like with Sypha - but you'd rather play the contrarian cocksucker card of
>lol who cares

I'll say this as someone who's never played any of the castlevania games
I liked season 1, season 2 left me disappointed

season 1 was pretty decent for build-up, but I really feel like there were several missteps. Alucard just kinda being there was one I'm surprised more people didn't call out
season 2 had great moments. I liked Godbrand and felt like he would've been a significantly better villain than whatshername. also, the main cast spending most of the season in a goddamned library pissed me off
one plot point I thought they dropped without reason was that the priest-guy was abandoned by God. isn't that why blue-fangs was able to kill him? why was he still able to make holy water as a demon-zombie?

Hell, how would he be able to make holy water even if he weren't a zombie? Is it just random magic?

>why was he still able to make holy water as a demon-zombie?
Died. Met God. Who straightened him out and let him do one good thing in his monstrous unlife before dying again.

It was a masterpiece, the only thing I didn't like was how they portrayed Viktor as little coward bitch.

Best Belmont?
Worst Belmont?

I liked our heroes. I thought the villains exploring each other's backstories and motivations in the castle would lead to something... It doesn't. Just skip any scene that viking vampire opens his mouth, nothing of worth comes from him except when he's out killing or being killed. The backstories are interesting, though they don't serve any purpose and Dracula is a fucking bore until the last episode.

Also, skip any of that stupid priest's dialogue, he's only cool as an undead blessing the river. that bit was stupidly overpowered, but better than all the worthless dialogue in other episodes.

Only Belmont left.
Not a good or bad Belmont, just a Belmont.

Netflix Carmilla is by far the worst girl in quite a long time, east AND west. Looking forward to Hector betraying her at the worst possible moment.

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Hector is portrayed as a little coward bitch. Nothing like in the videogame.
With luck Hector will get himself killed.

I'm from the midwest and I always thought "Yeeaah, no." was just a snarky way of saying "no."

Grant was pretty dope in the jap version honestly. And his wall-crawling is fun to play around with and gets you access to a lot of hidden bonus items.

As someone also from the midwest I have never come across this manner of speech. Nobody says "Yeah, no" to mean "yeah you're right".

I enjoyed it. Entertaining character interactions, visceral action, and some fun easter eggs.
Could it have been better? Sure, but I'm still hoping for a sequel series.

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Is it true that Warren Ellis is housebound and addicted to painkillers?

I was asking more about who's your favorite/least favorite Belmont.

Me personally, I'd probably pick Leon or Simon, and if I couldn't say non-canon characters like Sonia or Gabriel then I'd say Juste, even if I don't dislike him.

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>We are shown a pendant with a picture of Dracula. A competent writer would suspect that this locket was important to the story but it wasn't.
user. user. That was just a sweet little thing to show how much she loved him, she had a nice little locket of her husband. That's all that was. Is your autism really so bad that every single thing that gets shown has to have a grand higher meaning? I saw the locket and took it exactly for what it was- just something to show how much she loves him. I can't believe you saw that and got buttmad that there wasn't some large grand plot piece focusing on that.

I feel like Im apparently the only one who enjoyed her and her banter with Godbrand and total bitchy backstabbing nature.

That looked like Ellis wanting to write more Emma Frost, amped to eleven.

Im not familiar with his other writings so maybe that's why I didn't get triggered over her.

>Best
Christopher or Simon.
>Worst
Leon or Juste.

>Leon or Juste
Is that cause they're the only two who never technically fought the "real" Dracula?

Nah, the problem had nothing to do with his other stuff. She was just too much of a bitch, too different from the source material (which wasn't even the main source for this series), that took WAY too much screen time and just got away in the end.

Season 1 is good, season 2 is not so good.

>She was just too much of a bitch
She's a powerful (beautiful), arrogant vampire with a chip on her shoulder. Of course she's gonna be a bitch.
>too different from the source material
This I can understand and agree with to a point. Her game characterization wasn't really that phenomenal but I can see how people might be attached to it I guess.

Season 1 its allright. Season 2 is just boring with very few good moments

Season 3 when

It's because Leon stars in a very boring game with a tedious story that reduces the central conflict to an overwrought soap opera. He also looks like Meg Ryan.

I don't have as big of an issue with Juste; he's just a generic Ayami Kojima bishonen in a subpar game. There's not much to like.

>He also looks like Meg Ryan.
I always thought Leon was hot as fuck, now I feel weird about it you bastard.

I want to drink Sypha's Beer!

That same studio has worked with Kevin before, they animated Clerks the Animated Series and did Clerks The Lost Scene with him back in the early 2000s

She's not even really pretty, to be honest, let alone beautiful. SHe's a stick, and not in that autistic "BUT THIIC THO" or tumblrite "Beautiful at any size except thin!" shit, I mean she looks bony and almost skeletal. All the other girls in the show look, well, normal, but Carmilla looksjuuuust shy of being anorexic. Which would be great if they were going for a Countess Bathory reference to her slowly starving to death in a sealed room, but they almost certainly aren't.

>No Grant
>Black Isaac
It's shit.

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Its her face, I think she has a very beautiful face.

>Is your autism really so bad
They only had 8 episodes and it still felt too long because they wasted it shitty Vampire GoT. This would be more forgivable in season 1 when it isn't a flashback but as a flashback we learn nothing new.

>preferring Irish Gimp Isaac

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I was only addressing the locket user.

You know, fair enough. It's thinner than the others but definitely still under the general umbrella of "Fairly pretty"....

Which considering she usually shows up as a mask is.....rather fitting, I suppose.

At least he put Trevor in a coma.

why do people hate trevor

>that hair
>those lips
>that sass
>that ACCENT
goddammit

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She's innocently charming too, for lack of a better description. Why is she so cute.

it was pretty good but it had some weird thing.

women characters were empowered as fuck.

lol religion is bad!

oh, season 2, the good guys are in a single library. all of the season.

other than that it was nice.

You are defending wasted screen time in a season of a show that was only 8 episodes. The show expects us to give a shit about Dracula's relationship when the show thinks it is more important to remind us that "Church bad". It isn't like the fucking Church does anything in the second season.

Unironically better because he isn't a mouth piece for the writers' pretentious misanthropy.

>You are defending wasted screen time
I don't think it is wasted. We really didn't get much in the way of character development for Lisa and I thought that was a nice touch. Unless you're arguing flat out that it shouldn't have been there at all. It took all of 5 seconds user, it didn't hurt anything other than your autism.

>It took all of 5 seconds
I was talking about the entire scene. They could have done >Having Lisa die because her connection to Dracula would make more sense for the story. Not only would it make the Church less cartoonishly evil but:
>1) It could be used to explain why Dracula is suicidal. (He feels responsible.)
>2) It would give significance to his previous misdeeds rather than him remembering them like it was the "good ol' days."
>3) It could have been used as a plot twist to make Dracula see the errors of his ways. (Not that he stops and lets his son stake him like in the show but his resolve weakens. He still fights thinking that he has gone too far to go back.)
They also had the vampire generals raid that village and it didn't fucking move the plot forward. The entire vampire GoT shit was a waste of time. Godfrey told Isaac the plan and he didn't fucking tell Dracula because Isaac is a fucking retard despite how the show tries to say otherwise. The only people in team badguy that doesn't have brain damage are Godfrey and Carmilla except the show acts like being able to count to twenty makes you a super genius.

I mean...I think you are expecting alot, and I really don't feel like all those scenes were wasted potential so to speak but I also don't think you'd be happy with anything unless it was exactly what you wanted. Maybe you need to just become a show producer dude.

Not the same user but, what the fuck do you mean by "you were expecting a lot"? Why- what the- have we seriously reached the point in which plot consistency and character development are just way too much for the poor and bullied writers of these miserable shows? What is it with the crippling inability to understand character's motives and actions and how they may impact the world around them and the people they interact with?
Season 2 was basically people akwardly staring at each other, spitting information or details about their past, flashbacks and action scenes so you would shut the fuck up castlevaniafags. Fuck you for having hope, I guess.

I meant expecting alot for a video game based series. I have zero hope for those ever being good honestly.

>Fuck you for having hope, I guess.
Yes exactly, I thought people knew better than that by now.

>Why- what the- have we seriously reached the point in which plot consistency and character development are just way too much for the poor and bullied writers of these miserable shows?
We long passed that point user.

>why was he still able to make holy water as a demon-zombie?
i remember us discussing that when that episode came out.
IIRC the consensus was that God's fucking God, he can see the future. So he knew that letting that zombie priest bless a river would lead to thousands of dead vampires and essentially no negative consequences. So of course he let it happen

dude her accent is ridiculously good. She genuinely sounds like she's romanian

another theory could be he went off of hector's intent/soul/whatever and thought him worthy of divine power or holy power isn't all that special given there are demons/enemies in the game that use holy/are holy aligned

yeah the religion thing was so hamfisted and color-by-the-numbers. that and the fact that every character just sounded like vague british mumbling annoyed the fuck out of me

I think we can blame the acting/voice director for the "everyone must whisper" thing in the English dub

>IIRC the consensus was that God's fucking God, he can see the future. So he knew that letting that zombie priest bless a river would lead to thousands of dead vampires and essentially no negative consequences. So of course he let it happen
Why not let any Jack and Tom bless some water? There is rarely any situation were there is some negative consequences to making holy water. If it is about how there are some good vampires, then why not make it work proportionately to how evil the vampire is? That still doesn't explain the demon shit talking the bishop.

Or they changed how it work season 1 and pretend that people wouldn't notice. see

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>Emulator keeps crashing after beating Joachim
AAHHHH

Being fair, we see later in the first season there are priests that are still good guys, it's just a bit role but we have priests during the demon attack blessing holy water and the like. It's just that the head priest and his goons who caused all this were evil cockmonkeys.

>DUDE GAME OF THRONES BUT WITH VAMPIRES LMAO
>no sign at all of Count Olrox, who actually would've worked in that context

Why?

Because we needed to have more of the worst version of Carmilla obviously.

It's a good adaptation despite its flaws and I enjoyed both seasons. The fight scenes are some of the most inventive I've seen and Dracula's end was good. The opening is also just gorgeous.

I always thought the Belnades clan descended from Spaniards

First season ep1: hey it’s Dracula and the Church is bad
Remainder of first season: hey guys Church bad
Season 2: remember folks, Chuch bad, now here’s seven episodes of vampire game of thrones and one episode where we suddenly remember that we need to kill Dracula

Some people love it regardless, but anyone who tries watching because they love the game series is going to be in serious pain

Season 2 gets a lot of bashing for its structure, and that is justified. But it starts and ends so strong that I just forgive it all. That finale was great. Cautiously optimistic that in season 3 they fix the structure so the cast can shine

My boy...I'm killing my boy...

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>My boy...I'm killing my boy...
This, this the kind of gay shit that I was complaining about. This unearned melodramatic tripe. Boo hoo! Dracula previously put Alucard into a coma for trying stop him from being a genocidal asshole, something his dead wife clearly wouldn't appreciate. However, now he realized that his dead wife doesn't appreciate filicide.

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There's a steep difference between
>I'll put this brat to sleep and wake him up when all the humans are dead
and
>I'll fucking kill him

In the finale of the first season Trevor asked for an ordained priest to bless the water. They couldn't have survived without him. Yeah, that bishop was crap, but it didn't go fully
>church bad
until season 2.

He severely overpowers Alucard and the ending was still melodramatic bullshit. I understand why Alucard is upset but the show gives us nothing to go with. That is why I said the beginning of season 2 didn't really add anything. We already know that Lisa was the most saintly person ever but we aren't given any context about their relationship. She just suddenly walked into Satan's Castle and eventually fell in love and married him. That is fucking it. All that scene gave us was "Church bad!" "Lisa good!".

Why didn't start out with that instead of pretend to have any standards?

I liked it fine