Apparently, this never happened

I watched all those seasons and the movie, and I can say that I have a love-hate relationship with the show. The show can be fantastical and grand, but then trip and fall into a downward spiral that takes 5 episodes to get out of.
>pic definitely related

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They hinted at her being a fusion really early on user.

That stupid mural inspired so much speculation. All of it baseless cause I guess it never really mattered.

Maybe is depicting a battle with some White gem other than White Diamond

how much stuff did the writers have set in stone from the start of the show? was rose always intended to be pink diamod?

Apparently yeah

Isn't the gem they took from that pyramid also white and vaguely diamond shaped?

Probably, this is from Season 1 and Love Like You has always been the ending theme, even if it was remixed a lot.

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It could be some gem general Rose beat and bubbled somewhere leaving her to return someday for revenge as a future antagonist.
Because it’s not Steven Universe if he’s not cleaning up messes caused by his mother.

this, OP is retarded

It's like the holocaust. In reality Steven just went back in time and befriended hitler. The rest is artistic slander.

maybe it was a prophecy> Some Saphire saw that rose was going to take on White Diamond in the far future, and they made the mural based on that.

How early on?

It's a metaphor.

Always liked the Mural style and "mysteriousness" of Gem architecture from S1. The Sea Spire in particular sticks out. Did they have this in the later seasons?

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This is from the 2013 pilot, if you can't tell from the potato quality, it's Garnet between the red and blue rocks

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>Did they have this in the later seasons?
After season two nearly all of the cool magical shit randomly disappears and it is entirely gone by season four.
Season two has a Garnet flashback episode with a lot of that style in it.

A damn shame
The "Mystical/Techno Ancient Empire Ruins" aesethetic was great. Hate they dropped it for just a generic Sci-Fi Tech Empire

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>The Sea Spire in particular sticks out
Hell yeah it did. Any chance S6 will feature a return to exploring comfy, mysterious ruins?

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My headcanon is that Blue was responsible for lots of the architecture and arts of the Empire, and with her spending thousands of years grieving instead of doing her job during era 2 Yellow had to step in so all the architecture went from fancy decorated murals and all to bland spartan sci-fi functionality.

Sucrose, in an interview: Homeworld's going to be like nothing you've ever seen before. It's going to be totally alien and bizarre!

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>It's just a generic authoritarian one-big-city sci fi world
So boring

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>Seasons 1, 2 & 3
>A consistent visual style for gem tech that simultaneously gave it the appearance of mystical ruins and scientifically advanced alien tech
>Season four
>Pretty much just normal alien stuff
>Season five
>Season 4's look but this time throw some faces on things
It hurts desu.

...Why the hell did Pearl have a suit with Pink Diamond's insignia anyways? Besides muh foreshadowing.

because she's pink diamond's pearl

Probably? was suppose to be White but later changed the story, the concept art showed the statue T posing like White does in the show.

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Makes me wonder how Era 2 would be if Yellow was the one sulking and Blue took control of the Empire
I'd say she'd value use of magic and special artifacts rather than technology
As for Era 2 Gems, would be more like cultists than worker insects

Season 1 was soft retconed, it showed Gem having more culture outside of being just cogs in a machine. You even showed statues with four arms as if fusion was not taboo in their society.

What I don't get is what the fuck is Lion's mane? later episodes showed gems to be just aliens with technology but Lion is a weird magical thing.

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Is not even that, is a bunch of abstract shapes vaguely resembling a futuristic city.

I liked the living statues in Blue's bathtub, they where aesthetically similar to what season 1 was.

But she has head pearl

I always wished they'd at least explore other planets, see more of the Gem empire's impact beyond Earth, or that zoo, or Homeworld. It feels like such wasted potential, and the Diamond Authority feels so small

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who the fuck is pearl?

No chance, it'll be nothing but gem alien episodes and townie shit, no more travelling except to the barn.

She probably had it back in her "actual servitude to pink diamond" days, and used it out of habit.

Maybe those temples and shit were built by Rose Quartz-aligned gems? Who knows what kind of deviant culture was going on in the Earth colony

Doesn't sound right, rebels are not the kind of people to make lavish structures in the middle of a war.

I mean, when we went to homeworld in later seasons, you could also see a bunch of broken statues down beneath the surface (near the kindergartens)
I imagine that the idea is that homeworld WAS more cultured in era 1. While gems still had pre-assigned roles in society, they were allowed some freedom to act and entertain each other. Then when pink left - the supposed positive influence on other diamonds - it all went to shit, and they turned much more machinistic.

If anything was soft-retconned out of season 1, it's the extent and mysticism of gem "magic".

I would've really liked to see a flashback of the war during it's later phases, we only ever see the early stuff and then the final battle where everyone gets irradiated.

It'd be neat to see the CG's as an actual big unified army, winning battles, getting glory, and yeah, maybe settling in a bit themselves and building things, since it's not like they could all live in the temple.

As it is it's just kind of hard to feel anything towards all the irradiated gems now that they're free, unless in the next season they're gonna be left out entirely.

rose quartz uses the love of pink diamond to her strategic advantage

Makes me wonder who the hell carved the temple?
I get that its a statue of Obsidian, but Amethyst wasn't in the war so its relatively recent. But no one in the group of the gems seems like the kind of person that would build something like that.

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>Apparently, this never happened
I would like you to forget all your fan theories and look at this again.
Despite what you want to believe, nowhere does this picture say "rose fought pink/white diamond". It's a picture of rose fighting a vague white character with a triangular chest gem. It could have just as well represented her battle with a particularly powerful homeworld general, who was sent here prior to the "shattering".
The characters surrounding rose are just droplets stacked on top of fish. They are not necessarily garnets, they can be literally any gems, it's just a vaguely humanoid figure. Just because a stickman I draw with my pencil is black does not mean that it represents a black person.

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Magic was always a metaphor for gem tech. The tone of S1 is fairytale and naive as fuck since Steven is a wee bab and doesn't understand what the gems really are. It's only from S2 where things become more grounded and less fantastical when he starts to realize the truth.

Yeah, but that doesn't explain the suit. No one in the show has worn a similar suit, and we know that Pearl met pink with her factory appearance.

This slut (pic related):

We see in the episode they go to the moon that the Sea Spire is part of the original plan for Earth. Whether it's originally designed by the other diamonds, or PD/RQ isn't mentioned. It's my guess that other gems (not unlike Peri) designed the plans for Earth. It could have been RQ prior to the war redesigning the spire and other areas which is why we see fusion like gems represented in statues.

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I always reckoned that the temple was a human creation, likely carved by some american natives worshipping the gems in distant pre-colonial times.

Could have been that Obsidian WAS formed in the war, just through the main trio forming with some other Amethyst/other Quartz at any point.

Otherwise, who knows, could just be a thing that was in the concept stages before they figured everything out in the plot and it just made it into the actual show anyway.

but we also know that gems often use items to help them interface with tech better

I could have sword this isn't the only suit we see in the show

There are other amethysts.

>advantage
>fakes death leading to mass corruption of every gem on Earth sans a handful

of course it was, but season 1 had time travel gizmos and infinite-resource-production wands, and cursed parchments - although as we later learned, the last one was apparently supposed to be a scroll painted with powdered gems.
Quite brutal to know that at this point, CGs aren't even trying to preserve it in a bubble, they just go "nope, this has no right to remain alive, to the lava with you"

>No one in the show has worn a similar suit, and we know that Pearl met pink with her factory appearance.
Nephrites, the dedicated starfleet of gemkind, have them.

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Bismuth did state that "we could always use MORE Amethysts" implying that there were at least some in the rebellion.

CG's were pretty paranoid at that point in time. I would be too if my leader just turned into a baby.

her goal was to get the other Diamonds to leave Earth alone. To that end, she succeeded. She couldn't have known the Diamonds would use Corrupting Light to try and wipe out the crystal gems on Earth

It seemed to be implied that the gem culture that produced the ruins had mostly died in the wake of the rebellion. The culture portrayed by the ruins cares about art.

I mean given the circumstances it was a pretty reasonable power move from Roses' perspective, thinking that the diamonds would back off if they knew the CG's were capable of killing them seems reasonable enough.

Plus after Blue's whole 'as long as you're there, the colony will be completed' thing it makes sense to try, even if it was a last ditch effort thing.

Where did you get that lore? Not doubting, just curious.

Lapis says in season 1 that Homeworld isn't anything like she recognised 5000 years ago. Maybe it went from lavish decadence to brutalist/minimalism? I dunno, I'm no artist.

Maybe it's the Era-1 equivalent to Limb Enhancers?
Appearance modifiers that aren't melded to Gem bodies

I don't think we've seen many Era-2 gems in general, but Peridot can't seem to do the "summon and change clothing" thing that the other Crystal Gems do sporadically

So Pink Diamond had her Pearl sometimes act as her pilot, and the reason we haven't seen other gems wear flight suits like that is because the only other Era-1 pilots we've seen are the Nephrites, and they are created to act as pilots so they don't require appearance modifiers

Centi told Steven that she was Captain of her ship

Bismuth and Pearl reminisced about how Pearl attacked a Gem dropship and took a Nephrite by surprise

In Stevonnie's dream of Pink Diamond's memories, Yellow Diamond was on a call with a Nephrite pilot

The four-armed statue(s) may not be meant to be taken literally. The backdrop has cribbed a lot of visual cues from a very shallow, 70s New Age understanding of Hindu and Buddhist iconography. I remember there was a webm of a working draft of Opal's first reveal, where she would form a svastika with her four arms before drawing her bow (an idea that was dropped for obvious reasons). Anyway what I'm trying to get at is that the multi-armed statues may be representational and not literal depictions. Maybe each of the four arms represents one of the diamonds? I mean to their gem subjects they're basically living gods. Granted, Occam's razor points to just bad storytelling, but it's not totally reaching to assume that Homeworld may have fusion-like statutes up for veneration and admiration in whatever their equivalent of religion and culture is.

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It made the same mistake Overwatch did, which was turning blatantly magical shit into "It's only magic because we can't understand it bro! It's actually science!"

Truly, who would've thought it would all lead to Rose Quartz being a massive cunt who manipuated her closest friends, got countless of her own kind killed over a civil war she orchestrated, militarized her to the point of stitching together corpses to form a planet killing super weapon, and fucked some loser in a failing band which eventually end up killing her because she was curious.

Who would've thought.

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Centipeetle wears this uniform when un-corrupted. She's confirmed nephrite. Yellow Diamond/Priyanka in Stevonnie's dream talks to a nephrite about the invasion efforts.
We know that Centi and her crew of other nephrites came to earth in colony ships, and that Hessonite (the villain of Save the Light, the only canon SU game thus far, as it was written by Becky) commanded nephrites (She also appears in Centi's drawings)

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> militarized her to the point of stitching together corpses to form a planet killing super weapon

Do you mean Homeworld? They were already pretty militarised in the flashbacks we've seen.

Also I don't know if its really fair to blame Rose for the Cluster/Gem experiments, the Diamonds got that idea from their use of fusion but it was still the Diamonds themselves that turned what was meant to be a partnership with consent into abomination nightmare experiments on their enemies.

Thats the thing the temple doesn't make sense by any headcanon.
>If the gems made it, then they wouldn't have let it crumble to ruins.
>The humans couldn't have done it since they tried to keep the humans away with warning, fences and Amethyst as a crocodile.

I don't know or care what Overwatch did, but SU was gem tech from the very beginning. It didn't just randomly become something else as the seasons changed.

The gems can't stop time/buildings without a builder. No Bismuth, no upkeep.

When did OW have magic? They should have just done fantasy from the start but it always looked like it was a shitty "science to explain the game mechanics" for no reason.

My theory is that modern human culture was seeded by early influence from gems. I know it is probably meant to be ignored, but I like stories that at least attempt to explain the similarity between humans and aliens. I would be even more satisfied if gems were originally created by ancient humans or vice versa (or even the overplayed 3rd progenitor race trope), but there’s no way in a million years SU is going there.

>season 1 had time travel gizmos
This reminds me. Why did no one use that to save Pink?

Maybe the CGs did make it, but we know that the corrupted gems are attracted to them and the temple

So the arms and sword all got destroyed in various battles against gem monsters, and the CGs just couldn't fix it

And they didn't mind since as long as the interior of the Temple is intact then the outside appearance doesn't matter

Ah right, thanks.

>The humans couldn't have done it since they tried to keep the humans away with warning, fences and Amethyst as a crocodile.
we know that the cgs have been trying to do this within the last 50 years of so. We don't know when they started. Maybe they only became wary of humans after the temple?

We know that Rose used to mingle with many humans before, and they intervened to save Dewey's crew, so they were clearly not complete isolationists. There is a lot of history still unknown.
Maybe some ancient cult built the temple, and cs decided to isolate themselves specifically because they didn't want to be worshiped.

I think essentially Rose was always intended to be Pink Diamond, but that's about the only thing that was set in stone. Stuff like Lars of the Stars was planned early on but given how unimportant it ended up being it's the kind of thing that could have fallen by the wayside if the couldn't make it work. I'm fairly certain I remember hearing something about them having to work out Amethyst's backstory just for On the Run, so that would mean they spent a majority of season 1 without that in mind. It'd explain a few of those early inconsistencies like Pearl saying she enjoys pie only to not be willing to eat in Fusion Cuisine.

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The list being picked up by Aquamarine and Topaz wasn't planned either, but honestly that shit hit pretty well in spite of that.

My biggest gripe is how obvious are the show efforts to go back to status quo as soon as possible.
>Peridot becomes a member of the gang?
She stays in the barn far away from anyone else
>Malachite is loose in the ocean
Only shows up at the end of one episode and then gets defeated the next.
>The cluster is a big deal
They solve it in one episode
>Steven is stranded in homeworld with Lars and a bunch of new characters
Deus ex crying makes Lars a convenient teleporter back to earth.

It wouldn't be that bad if they keep the plot thread self contain but the show constantly presented new dangers and challenges and then went back to slice of life while the thread got unresolved for many episodes.

Maybe no one had one at the time of the battle? Or on the earth at all? So by the time they could get one there it'd be too late since they wouldn't be able to go back that far.

The only reason this doesn't bother me is because the Diamonds don't consider Earth a threat and basically ignore it. Anything else and it'd be a bit much, but denying Steven the chance to live his life normally would be supremely petty as is.

I mean it terms of sheer military power it ISN'T a threat, and if the Diamonds had left it alone nothing would have really happened either way.

It was only because of Homeworld constantly coming and going that Steven started influencing them and eventually going to their world.

> denying Steven the chance to live his life normally would be supremely petty as is.

I mean at the time when they thought he was Rose Quartz or even just a CG it makes sense they'd be that petty since it was 'their fault' PD died.

After Pink's shattering the Diamonds launched their attack. I highly doubt the remaining gems would have been able to create the artefact and then hide it from themselves.

I just mean in a meta sense, since it's a coming of age story written for kids. I understand where the frustrations of the pacing are coming from but some older fans never really got that it's being written in a stop/start way to prevent kids heads from overheating. That's what I got from the artbook anyway/

Maybe if follows the rules where the gizmo can only transport you to a point in time after it was created.

So why did White take Pink Pearl?

What do you mean? I'm not talking about who created it or whatever, they probably already existed, but it could be that there wasn't one close enough to the battle to be usable within the frame of time that they can rewind.

Could just be that she kept it so she could show it to pink/the other diamonds as 'this is what I'll do to your things if you don't do what I say' kind of message.

As it is, I guess Diamond doesn't really care what Pearl she uses since she's powerful/bright enough on her own that she doesn't need a pretty perfect trinket to serve her.

I don't think that was ever shown to be a factor.

Depends on how did Pink Pearl get her eye all fucked up, White probably took her since she was damaged and gave Pink her Pearl as a replacement.

We might be finding that out in S6. I can't find the interview, but Rebecca was talking about there being hints in the movie about stuff like Pearl and so on. Her song implies she's been rebooted three times and the third one is in the movie.

>1 - White (Base)
>2 - Rebooted (for Pink)
>3 - Movie

There's a deleted scene in the Log Date episode where Amythest teaches Peridot how to eat food, it is implied she's whispering how the disgestive system works, and how to form one in your gem body.

So Rose formed herself some cooter business so Greg could put his failing band into her.

The question we all have to ask is...

How was it?

> it's being written in a stop/start way to prevent kids heads from overheating
I always hated this argument. Kids might not have developed good taste yet but they aren't stupid. They play video games and binge watch overhyped youtubers all the time; the only kids that are going to overheat from an above average pace are literal 2 year olds.

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Like it or not, that is how kids stuff is written. Even our shows back in the day were like that.

Just as things are, we don't know the full power of the hourglass or if it could even be used that way without making a paradox or something.

Probably pretty good if Rose could tailor her junk to perfectly fit Gregs junk.

oh, you mean egg

>Apparently, this never happened
>yet

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The fact that she literally had two gems instead of one?

But they're hard light constructs yeah? Like on the holodeck in star trek?

So you could say she was putting the light in fleshlight.

I wonder how it is for the gem, they have sensation

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I mean we already know that they can feel pain when their light constructs are hit, meaning they've got SOMETHING like nerves, so they can probably create the right parts to make it feel good.

This seems a little unhinged. Maybe do something else with your time.

I don't understand this picture

What kids show do you have in mind that doesn't have ANY content that can be explained away as "for kids."

It's Opal!

Nephrites aren't the only gem pilots though

The Rubies piloted their own Roaming Eye
Peridot piloted her Hand ship
Aquamarine was piloting her ship while Topaz fixed the engines
Emerald had the Destiny Destroyer and the Sun Incincerator
And Hessonite had a ship of her own

nephrite are ugly and pointless. every gem can be a pilot.

keep in mind there are ruined statues laying beneath the foundations of contemporary homeworld (seen when steven and lars are escaping and get saved by the off-colors) but also above the massive cored-out kindergardens.
I suppose an "Era 0," prior to Era 1.

Amy likes eating, and implies she likes shitting too, so it has to feel like something.

The funny thing is, from how she and Pearl talk about eating i don't think they taste anything. They just feel a bunch of mush in their body. It'd be like if you crushed up some wet food in your hands and spit it out your shoulders.

is save the light worth the time it takes to play it?

watch a longplay...
or a speedrun.

decide for yourself.

>They just feel a bunch of mush in their body.
Gems don't get sick from disease either. The food poisoning Amethyst experiences is probably just an imitation... Or just like Pearl, she's reached her threshold for "consumed" matter and her body reacts by ejecting it instead of destabilizing.

Well yeah, it was Pearl. Everyone thought she shattered Pink diamond though, both on Homeworld and on the Crystal Gems side. That structure and mural could have been made by either of them.

Earth being a safe haven for gem outcasts was always a secondary goal for Rose. Her first and primary goal was to protect the existing organic life on Earth. For most intents, she won. People like Bismuth said Rose lost, because she was attached to the idea of a total change in Gem society.

Magic Gem stuff was kindo and displayed a level of technology far beyond pedestrian Homeworld shit like new and exiting ways to ruin planets.

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>stop being evil!
>NO!
>come on.
>No...
>come on.
>ehh... okay.

>but there were other amethysts

You'd think something as important as 'we replaced our other amethyst friend who got corrupted by you' would come up in some way or another but that just wasn't the case.

fpbp

WHAT WE REALLY ARE

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I like this

>Gyaru Amethyst and Jasper

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I think the Sea Spire was built by the Crystal Gems early in the war. That also explains why Pearl is so fond of it.

>What I don't get is what the fuck is Lion's mane?
A result of a gem's magical powers. Gems have magical powers. Having magical powers doesn't stop them from also having technology, or having magic-based technology.

When Lapis calls back from Homeworld, she's freaked out, claims everything is super advanced and she can't understand it. Bismuth mentions building "spires and temples for gem elites to enjoy". So this is all fancy but I'd assume standard pre-loss of PD stuff for the upper crust.

>rewatching the series
>get to gemcation
>ronaldo gets brought up a lot
>pearl is weirdly afraid of a snake

Like she is TERRIFIED of it. She even says it couldn't hurt her but it was the "surprise" of it that got to her, which is super weird actually.

I didn't think much about this when I first watched it, but now all I can think is this might be foreshadowing for sneeple.

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Peridot is afraid of thunder, could be gems are just born with phobias like humans.

Peridot was afraid of thunder because she thought it was the cluster.

Peridot was afraid because she thought it was the cluster emerging to shatter them all.

What's weirder is Amy and Pearl both treated it similar to a human? Like I get Amy being dumb with him, she's kinda dumb. But then Pearl called the snake party guy. And apparently this fucking shot in Bismith was foreshadowing to PD's reveal, so at this point even I buy it. And I hate these vague theory crafting shit. But this is the kind of stuff SU does.

Peri was afraid of the thunder because she thought it was The Cluster emerging. I think "loud thunderous noise that could even rumble buildings if close enough" is different from "being afraid of a party guy"

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Still entirely possible for Peri to be afraid of thunder even though the cluster is bubbled, something like that doesnt just go away over night.

How does that foreshadow the pink diamond reveal? their just fucking poker cards.

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>And apparently this fucking shot in Bismith was foreshadowing to PD's reveal
I highly doubt it was. Fans are overinterpreting everything, as usual. Unless you have a citation from a podcast or something, with Becky explaining HOW it's foreshadowing?

evangelion reference tee-hee

I imagine that if you eat literal garbage - like amethyst does - it will just rot in your holo-guts producing flammable, noxious gases, foaming up, growing mold, etc. which would appear like sickness.

I don't fucking get it man, all I know is at the start of this video on the official CN youtube channel they linger and zoom in on Bismith's hand in the video specifically about PD clues.

youtu.be/L51bQLzuGos

Why??

Heh, most of that video seems a bit random in my opinion. Like the "pink lion" scene.

porn when

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Okay I said "most" but I actually meant "some".

Take your own advice faggot

In all seriousness, Sneeple would literally be the dumbest thing Steven Universe has ever done.

Watching clips of the show on YouTube is a more enjoyable experience. Been doing that for the last season and have been able to keep up 100% with all thread discussions.

Did you SEE the diamond redemption?

It would be even dumber than that.

Also, that was easier to watch the second time.

Was all of this stuff on earth? Because if so it seems stupid they would build temples dedicated to past oppressors and even more dumb to build temples on planets that will be destroyed/banished.

I thought Mayor Dewey’s great great grandfather carved it after they got saved by them.

The Diamonds were never redeemed.

Blue and Yellow were pretty good. White was dumb and rushed.

Yes, all of that is on Earth. During season 1 they can't leave Earth at all, not even by warping. In season 2 they show projects for some of them on the screen in the moon base.

We don't know which of those structures were "dedicated to past oppressors", only a handful of them have explicit diamond imagery, and those might have been built BY homeworld gems.
The other structures might have been built by the rebels during the course of the rebellion. They weren't probably all expecting to just chill around in a forest after homeworld is driven away.

Some might have been built by homeworld gems, and then captured by rebels and turned into their bases.

Their redemption is in process. Really the only gem who's ever been fully redeemed by Steven is Peridot. It'll probably take all of S6 for the Diamonds to properly be on the side of good beyond jsut doing what Steven asks.

Why the fuck is a civilization literally tens of thousands of years ahead of humans still using archaic murals to depict historical events?

Artistic expression

My head canon is, Rose invented the time travel device after discovering time with the humans. The other diamonds have no concept of time since they don't age

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what could s6 plot be about? just fixing things?

It's for living out the fantasy of walking around Beach City and raining arrows with Opal

Two possible explanations I can come up with in literally seconds.

1. It's so if their shit stops working they can leave behind some explanation of what happened.

2. It's symbolic an mysterious for the audience.

>Rose invented the time travel device
This is also my headcanon. The other diamonds clearly don't know about it and the Earth belonged to her, so she has to be the one who created it.

Basically. Filling out stuff that needs to be addressed, Jasper etc.

Do we know whether it had any actual time-travel powers? I mean, by the end of the episode, the parallel timelines were erased, and Steven everything went back to the beginning. Maybe it's not as much a time travel device, as some sort of introspection-planning-hypothesizing tool that lets you re-live a moment in time inside your head (gem) until you figure out the solution to a problem or learn some lesson.

Similarly, the Infinite Guys all disappeared after the creation wand was destroyed, which suggests that they were all illusory. They were likely made from the same type of matter as gem bodies are - physical in appearance, but ultimately just projections.

lion's mane is like pearl's gem. she has a pocket dimension inside of her gem that allows her to put things in and take things out

lion's mane/lars' hair is exactly the same thing with two differences, it's remote from the gem and there are two entrances/exits. since it is a creation of PD's gem powers, it explains why only Steven can freely enter and exit.

I like that idea but I'm pretty sure canonically what Steven remembers from that time is that as soon as he touched it a bunch of Stevens appeared, fought each other, and then died.

The original died too.

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>only Steven can freely enter and exit
Peridot was inside Lion's mane once
Also that does not prove they don't have magical powers.

This show implies an interconnectedness across space we won't understand, like there is a gem dimension behind space made of the light energy

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oh hey, back when the writers actually had a clue of how to write before they let the fans write for them.

They never mentioned the mystic mural again, aside from that book episode obviously, I bet those are beta diamond designs.

By the way did Sugar or anyone of the crew even mention this thing?

>peridot was inside lion's mane once
i don't remember this happening, what ep?
but what I meant was that Steven is the one who can determine who exits and enters, similar to how gems can't enter pearl's pearl freely but she allowed Steven to enter.

All this crappy shit on earth was Rose testing Steven and trying to make his life interesting, like putting a jacket in a chest

they did in a podcast, I think. It was back when they were still working out how they wanted the lore to play out. This mural isn't totally related to what they have planned now, was the gist of what they said, I think.

i think it was the episode where they went to the moon, she rode inside his mane with steven.

What are you even talking about? Zuke?

>i don't remember this happening, what ep?
It could've been great, when they go on the moon

>but what I meant was that Steven is the one who can determine who exits and enters, similar to how gems can't enter pearl's pearl freely but she allowed Steven to enter.
I don't know if that's the case, but maybe.

The same also happens in the temple. Garnet explains it like this in Beach Party
>We inhabit the inner sanctums, only accessible through magical extra dimensional doors.

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It Could Have Been Great

When the CGs all rode Lion to get to the Moon base. Peridot and Steven were sticking their heads out of Lion's mane while the others rode on his back

Ah, you buy into that theory about the chest too huh. It makes sense. Chests are traditionally where people kept clothes.

Because the show was in its infancy? They've changed a LOT over the seasons, including the Diamond's designs - You can really see it in this; all three (four) Diamonds are in this shot, including their old designs.

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>You can really see it in this; all three (four) Diamonds are in this shot, including their old designs.

what? Which one do you think is supposed to be Blue? Yellow, maybe, white, maybe, but none of them appears to be Blue.

Connie goes through Lars's head, but holding Steven's hand

So it's like mythological art that symbolize an event instead of reality.
Like Babel Tower is A Ziqqurat.
This was just a mystification made by stupid humans

How do you know those are supposed to be the diamonds?

We do know Blue and Pink's designs have changed after the moon base murals, but that's it. The Serious Steven murals could be diamonds, but we don't know afaik.

Taking in the new designs that looks a lot like an Emerald.

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You know, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Emerald was specifically designed after those murals to explain them not being diamonds.

In contrast, look at the Moon base designs.
Literally all their designs changed from even these designs in their final revelations.
That's because the designs were just that drastically changed - Look closely at the hair the Diamond's had - One on the left had almost a Peridot style'd hair, middle is closer to classic white, and far right is pointy everywhere; definitely were the other three Diamonds, and it seems they were more triangular in their earlier designs - The Crew/Sugar probably wanted their designs to feel more unique according to each Diamond.

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Show me evidence that the characters in the pyramid mural are actually early diamonds, and not random gem generals.

Is that a Zero Suit Samus reference?

What is the minimum standard of evidence that you will accept?

Well, I'm not part of the Crew, otherwise I'd love to pull/leak earlier designs/story.
However, it's not exactly far-fetched when you go off behind the scenes peaks/specials they've had over the years, such as
or look into Sugar's early character designs for SU.
I'm not able to get one-hundred percent certainty, as I'm not Sugar - However, if going off of other series' gives any indication as to how these sort of things develop, or drastically change mid-production, then it's likely the case. (Hell, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Sugar took the idea of Rose=Pink because she had no fucking clue where to take the series; I mean, people were saying Rose=Pink since S1 - Plenty of time to reflect on her story at that point).

Anything from an official source.

So you're positioned yourself so that the only evidence you will accept is from the last people on Earth who would ever cop to the hasty, mismanaged production schedule of their own show.

Clever, but not so clever that its not obvious you have no interest in an actual discussion.

>I mean, people were saying Rose=Pink since S1
Reminder that this theory was baseless before season 5 and was abandoned by almost everyone when season 3 said she was shattered.

>if Sugar took the idea of Rose=Pink because she had no fucking clue where to take the series
There's several hints that can only be understood if you know how the story develops, and some plot points (like Bismuth) that wouldn't make sense if she wasn't Pink. Rose being Pink is also the first thing the storyboarders read on their first day of work on the show.

>who would ever cop to the hasty, mismanaged production schedule of their own show
Why wouldn't they say it if that was the case? They have explained multiple times before that they wanted to do things differently at some points. Like how they wanted Lars to become pink in the second episode, or Greg losing a leg because of Lapis and other abandoned ideas.

Oh, and they HAVE said that the moon base designs were early and eventually altered, especially Pink. This is official information by the crew. They would have no reason not to say that the murals in Serious Steven depict old Diamond designs if that was the case.

I don't remember magic being in OW, besides magic is stooopid.

The barn doesn't even exist anymore.

>After season two nearly all of the cool magical shit randomly disappears and it is entirely gone by season four.
Yeah we've never seen any gem or magic powers or items in seasons 4 and 5.

And the fact Samus is making up for everything the Chozo did

The barn is on the beach, neighbors with Steven

I watched it for four and a quarter seasons before I started disliking it so I might as well stick around for a bit longer for good blips like most of the movie.

It would be way dumber and that was pretty fucking dumb.

There's also plot points that make no sense because she WAS Pink - one being the giant, intergalactic-traveling legs she had conveniently forgotten about, which would've contradicted the whole point of Peridots' appearance, or them being atuck on Earth due to warp-pads being destroyed, by extension. Bismuth is also a newer concept, a character they've only recently added - naturally with Bismuth's appearance, and Rose=Pink revelation being so close, they'd want to try to keep it sensible; at the time, at least.
Also, I recall everyone on this board calling absolute bullshit when they claimed Pink was shattered - Movies/shows have done the whole 'the hero was the ___ the whole time!' trope so many times it's beyond predictable, and SU is no exception.

The gems only told Steven it was magic

>Lars would have been pink right away
>we would have seen what life was like with that physiological
Also explains how Steven controlled him that time

>would've contradicted the whole point of Peridots' appearance
How? Peridot was there to check on the Cluster so that the planet would be destroyed.

>being atuck on Earth due to warp-pads being destroyed
So? Clearly Rose didn't want anyone to have anything to do with homeworld, of course she didn't tell anyone. It's one of her many lies.

>Bismuth is also a newer concept
And? Also her gem appears since season 1.

>at the time, at least
What?

>I recall everyone on this board calling absolute bullshit when they claimed Pink was shattered
I'd appreciate if you showed them to me.

Most of your post is "this arbitrarily chosen thing is contradicted by the reveal" without actually explaining how it's contradicted.

They've also told other people. Nobody ever denied it being magic, either. Official episode synopsis offer an objective point of view and still use the term magic.

>Reminder that this theory was baseless before season 5
100% absolutely correct, people who believed it prior to season 5 were autistic fanfic writers, on par with people who thought Connie was blue diamond.
>was abandoned by almost everyone when season 3 said she was shattered.
False, I know many people who stuck by it, despite the show telling us the contrary.

>False, I know many people who stuck by it, despite the show telling us the contrary.
Can you show them to me? I'd like to see them. Between late season 3 and the reveal in season 5, I everyone laughing at the theory. I only saw people starting to consider it again right after The Trial, and it was still unpopular. I saw it becoming popular again only after Your Mother and Mine, and extremely popular a couple days before the reveal episode because of a website leaking some details. If you have some links to prove me wrong I would like to see them.

Okay maybe "extremely" is a bit of an overexaggeration since not many knew about it, but those who did know were definitely at the very least considering it instead of laughing it off.
And I actually meant Jungle Moon, not Your mother and mine. Sorry for the confusion.

Sorry, I ( ) was away, the response you got was from somebody else.
I do mostly agree, though. I want to hear any line of reasoning, based on the official material, that either indicates those characters were definitely diamonds, or disproves the idea of them being just random powerful gems.

Now, here is the deal: My personal belief is that they were originally meant to vaguely be diamonds, but the exact timeline of events was not remotely written when the episode was made, and so the staff could easily retcon them to being other gems with 0 detriment to the overall narrative. The artist was probably just told "draw a battle between rose and some big threatening looking gems". Those don't even qualify as "designs"

god, are you really going to make me search reddit aren't you?
Give me a few moments. I'm not gonna go in depth, but I'll get you at least one link.

Thank you, but sorry if it's a problem

i think you guys shit on this show's late-series plot too much, i don't see that many inconsistencies.

Freaking hell, as if to spite me, reddit's search engine is shittier than I imagine. I don't think I can sort by date properly, the site decides the order of posts on its fucking own based on bullshit.
I do concur that the amount of threads supportive of the theory made between the shattering being "revealed" and "the trial" is quite low, although for some reason reddit simply breaks down after 1y thread age and starts showing them completely out of any order, randomly skipping between threads 1 year old, 3 years old, 5 years old, 2 years old...

have a few links. They are not all explicitly supportive of the theory, but all covering it and discussing pros and cons, from the period before any real new foreshadowing was given
>reddit.com/r/stevenuniverse/comments/5oq9l2
>reddit.com/r/stevenuniverse/comments/6vpf21
>reddit.com/r/stevenuniverse/comments/4w7ua8
>reddit.com/r/stevenuniverse/comments/59f315
>reddit.com/r/stevenuniverse/comments/5mkd9a
>reddit.com/r/stevenuniverse/comments/54set8
I would like to bring your attention to this comment exchange:

>Seriously can we let this theory die already?
>Sadly, I think they won't let it go even if we see a flashback of the exact moment Rose shattered PD. Delusion is a complicated thing.

Batman TAS, and Justice League Unlimited would be prime examples, though nothing will have zero content that handwaves stuff because of its audience, even stuff for adults. However those 2 provide the least amount of it and plenty of kids grew up watching it without having their brains fried.
Phineas and Ferb also never talks down to its audience even when it brings up subjects that its target demo would have no right knowing about. It still handwaves stuff but at least there's a sense of respect.

Thank you for the links, these will be interesting to read. That last quote is quite funny

My guess is Lion got injured and nearly died at some point but Rose brought him back. It's the same with Lars.

fuck, alright, hear me out
Earth was originally Blue's colony, right? What if it was, like, her oldest and most successful colony? And Pink's little "rebellion" was completely idiotic and one-sided, on an otherwise peaceful world that co-existed with its organic inhabitants?

But who is the white figure? It can't be White Diamond?

Who would be left to make the carving after the war was over?

Seems like the Gem empire was a lot more powerful a few million years ago than it is today. All their ancient technology was magic based and they had things like casual time travel, reality warping, and music based history erasing.

>Earth was originally Blue's colony, right?
No, it was Pink. Blue came to help her during the rebellion.

Your theory could still work. But I don't think there's any evidence for it.

who says it was made after the war

Why not?

The war went on for hundreds of years

The other Crystal Gems could have built their own spires or captured Homeworld made structures. Created statues and murals to celebrate the history they were making

exactly

The Sea Spire was supposed to be a place of intellectual discussion, right?
What if fusions were originally meant to represent cooperation, agreement, instead of love? Like when two opposing viewpoints finally converge into one greater understanding

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Funny how everyone was "analyzing" the theory but most didn't outright say they still believed it since everyone was joking about it or dismissing it. Regardless it's nice to see that some of the hints were getting picked up even at the time.
My only real problem with the whole situation is how some people now claim that it was extremely obvious and that the only reason they didn't believe the theory was that they thought it would have been "too obvious" when the actual reason is that the show had both hints and red herrings ("Pink was shattered" being the big red herring that made everyone disregard the theory).

Fusion doesn't represent love, that's just Garnet's thing. It represents relationships. Malachite wasn't love, for instance. You bring up an interesting point though

Gemcation is a Zuke episode. Stop trying to make sense of it.

you just made me remember pearl watches steven sleep

To be fair, a lot of stuff in this thread is more constructive than most. It's kind of interesting.

Zuke episodes make sense though

people act like that's super creepy, but it's totally normal behaviour for a parent

Malachite was codependency

From what I’ve learned from this thread and Steven Universe in general, is to never judge a show by its first season.

It boggles my mind that people fought against it for so long. From season 1, Rose has healing, flight, shields, plant control, a teleporting lion, and the power to create intelligent self-sustaining slave races by accident. Later on we get astral projection and raising the dead. Meanwhile, Amethyst has a whip and a spin dash. It's clear from the very start that Rose wasn't just a rogue soldier, she was a rogue god.

Obviously the narrative was that regular gems could become like her. The real hint was how she didn't believe it herself (shown in season 3). There's also the fact that Amethyst was defective and way less powerful than a regular quartz.

It is still stupid as shit because it destroyed every single character arc and concept, especially gems growing above their programmed roles. Pearl never stopping being a servant is the most egregious

It didn't "destroy" them, it showed they were deluding themselves. The real character developments happened when they found out/accepted the truth about Rose.

They did before Barn Mates. Most of them went a little nonsensical after that point outside of a few standouts.
Many people didn't want Steven to be just another chosen one. Him being the son of a fallen rebel leader was much more interesting than him being the son of a goddess with near limitless power and enough connections to instantly fix just about every problem in the show.

>chosen one with near limitless power and enough connections to instantly fix just about every problem in the show
Well good thing that's not what happened then.

This. The movie spells it all out pretty neatly.

He's a "chosen one" either way. Rose Quartz was revered on the same level of the Diamonds, that's the irony of the whole thing. Also it didn't solve anything just by him being Pink's son, certainly not with Spinel. It just caused more problems for him to solve

>The real character developments happened when they found out/accepted the truth about Rose.
No time for that, we've got a gay wedding to plan!

>Many people didn't want Steven to be just another chosen one. Him being the son of a fallen rebel leader was much more interesting than him being the son of a goddess with near limitless power and enough connections to instantly fix just about every problem in the show.

This. I really liked the palpable despair of the first two seasons. Its really just three and a half gems trying to deal with the fallout of a war, dangerous weaponry lying everywhere, corrupted monsters stalking the ruined cities and the everpresent looming threat of the Empire coming back for seconds at any moment which is completely outside of your control and you have no way of resisting it for a second.

You plebs are ironically more of a faggot than the two gays who get married. You look at it and your brain just shuts down: "GAY WEDDING!!! IT'S THE ONLY THING" you struggle to shit out before hitting the post button. Who gives a shit about context? Just post it and let it stew. Others will clean up your shit for you.

>Palpable despair
This is nostalgia faggotry at its finest. They were the most sugary of all seasons and for good reason considering Steven was kept naive to everything around him. It's only in S4 onwards that the tone became more fatalistic.

>he is too retarded to read subtext

okay

People where making assumptions that Rose was some kind of important Gem since before the Diamonds. Jasper name dropping Yellow only gave the fans a label where to put Rose.
If anything the shattering was a way to stir people away to that idea before proving them right.

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The context was stupid.
It was never really implied that Rose was the foundation of their love even in the flashback episodes and the writers did an awful job of selling that idea when it came up post-PD. The wedding was completely pointless outside of brownie point shit when it could have been used to give us more of a personal look at Ruby and Sapphire as actual characters.
Also it helped fuck up Bismuth's return and was just a convenient place to throw in the Diamonds coming to earth for the rushed wrap-up.

You know what it means, don't pretend you don't. In the crucial few episodes after the reveal they introduce and resolve relationship drama between Ruby and Sapphire, then consciously decide to focus on other issues instead on exploring the impact of the twist.

I wondered if I should put all that in the last post, but I assumed people in this thread had actually watched the show.

The whole point of the wedding was Garnet moving on from Rose's lies.

That doesn't change anything I said.

>In the crucial few episodes after the reveal they
First episode: Briefly show Garnet and Sapphire's immediate reactions, tell Rose's backstory, solve Pearl and Sapphire
Second episode: Explore Amethyst's and Steven's reactions
Third episode: Explore Greg's and Ruby's reactions, resolve Ruby
Fourth episode: Explore and resolve Bismuth's reaction
Fifth episode: Ruby and Sapphire's reunion, Yellow and Blue's immediate reaction

Lapis can literally control ALL THE OCEANS ON THE PLANET while her gem is cracked.

Obviously that's because Lapis can fuse with another powerful gem to make Blue Diamond. That's what she meant by "did you even wonder who I was?", she meant she used to be part of Blue Diamond. But then she was separated.

I agree with you, but the thing that indicated the idea of Rose shattering Pink only came about after they introduced Pink and the Shattering event.

All the previous mentions and background details indicated that Rose was a Diamond.

>indicated that Rose was a Diamond
They didn't. There were some hints that had to be interpreted, but that was it. Otherwise, she was just a very powerful gem.

not only that but when they first meet lion they instantly know it to be roses simply because of the color pink. everyone already knew rose was pink since we saw Connie training also Connie=cunny

jesus christ what the fuck were you expecting this show to be?

were you really expecting the savior of animation with an 11 minute runtime and negligent schedule

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>not only that but when they first meet lion they instantly know it to be roses
because he's magical and he recognizes steven and follows him
and a few episodes later he brings him to rose's place

>11 minute shows can't be good
Steven Universe itself proves you wrong.

>were you really expecting the savior of animation with an 11 minute runtime and negligent schedule

It worked for Xavier renegade angel.

To clarify: what I mean by this is that there was no way to actually catch the hints during season 1 or even 2. It was a baseless theory at the time. Of course nobody knew about the shattering when Yellow was first introduced.

>but it's totally normal behaviour for a parent
Pearl is not a parent she's like a weird aunt.

It worked for like two seasons.
I just wanted more of that kind of thing.

>They had White Diamond in their captivity the entire time
>The dirty secret of Rose's rebellion and the reason the Earth hasn't been wiped out is because before the war ended she kidnapped White in secret and trapped her on Earth
>Blue and Yellow are left to manage the Authority themselves but are clueless how without their domineering "mother" who ran everything perfectly before, and the Authority becomes fractured, violent and oppressive through force as opposed to White's more subtle cult of personality
Fuck I think we're in the wrong timeline bros

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Obviously, that's the only sane theory. Anybody who thinks otherwise simply can't read between the lines.
I don't think I have to even explain that the other gem she fuses with to form blue diamond is Connie's mom

I dunno. I’m seeing a screen cap of it in your post.

Ohhhh, you meant the mural that’s a figurative depiction of the war between Homeworld and The Crystal Gems.

I’m pretty sure the mural happened. I mean they’re looking at it right there. So somebody made it.

Oh, you meant the war? No, I think it happened too, but just not literally as depicted because murals, y’know, simplify stuff using iconography so even retards can understand them.

Well, most retards.

user, the problem in the show was solved because he was Pink's son. Granted, the problem arose because of Pink herself, but the point stands.

Well of course.

>solved because he was Pink's son
No it wasn't. the diamonds expected him to do diamond stuff and be pink, the conflict was resolved because of what he said, not because of his heritage. his heritage only allowed him to actually talk to them, but that alone wouldn't have been enough

>his heritage only allowed him to actually talk to them
Right, just the most important part.

Post a link

joethejohnston.tumblr.com/post/173776256458/why-does-pinks-physical-form-not-match-her-mural

But it isn't good

does anyone else have more fun watching individual clips of the show instead of the actual episodes? I've been binge watching a Shit-ton of them recently and having a blast.

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It's just a mural. You aren't supposed to take it literally.

In the context of the show, that's our first hint at White Diamond. As far as I'm concerned tats already a HUGE look ahead considering it was season 1

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In the artbook and various interviews Rebecca claims that the vast majority of stuff, specifically the plotwists, were planned from the beginning
>Steven having his gem removed
>Lars dying
>Pink diamond twist
>Lions origin
>Corruption being solved
All from the pilot era of the shows production

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But that's cool though

After watching it all at least once, sure.

I can't imagine it replacing actually watching the show though

yeah, sure you got to watch the episode at least once but after that i mostly watch the clips.

Was there any evidence that she actually controlled ALL of the oceans on the planet? I think the pillar would have been a lot higher if that were true.

Blue and Pink don't even look like that anyways, lmao.

Pole is my favorite gam

hey listen that point is a great point or whatever
can I get more images of amethyst where her gem is nestled in her cleavage? it's my new religion

i'd love to see an episode about lion's origin

Kek

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between seeing Rose with the lion-pride, and seeing Lars come back from the dead, I think you've got all the info you need about Lion's origin.

speaking of, how long will it take for Lars to use some of his new powers? Like teleporting and walking on water

i know we have all the info from it, but it'd make for a great episode. flashback eps are always good.

I'm fond of her new jacket

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YOU ARE OUT OF TOUCH
I'M OUT OF TIME
BUT I'M OUT OF MY HEAD WHEN YOU ARE NOT AROUND

I dunno if this is new of not but CN uploaded it about 2 hours ago.
youtube.com/watch?v=YbBaGRboDVs

fpbp, wish it joined horses in a joint containment board since they are pretty much the same show.

A certain bloodline can summon spirit dragons, otherwise all science, mystical on appearance or not, hasn't tried to pass as magic.

What the fuck are those magic lizards he eats? Does he need to eat them every once in a while? Will Lars get more powers if he eats them?

Are those lizards gems? Is Lion eating gems? Did Rose/Pink feed gems to her pet lion? Is that what she planned to do with Bismuth?

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Because it looks nothing like WD outside of the mural character being white and spiky hair.

I think it was a reference to Shadow of the Colossus

>Season 6
user, I...

After Rose's Scabbard it felt like the show's long term story got aggressively rewritten

Sugar destroyed any potential SU might have had by not making Rose a piece of shit or the Diamonds as redeemable. Imagine going from YD's reveal to her portrayal in the movie. Unearned redemption is such an awful plot device

OH SHIT!
that totally supports my "Pearl can't disobey Greg now" theory

youtube.com/watch?v=GM-e46xdcUo

Zenyatta floats and heals people with prayer beads and the only explanation for that is "he harnesses omnic energy", which just sounds like some spiritual bullshit. Also, Torbjorn vomits lava.

This. SU and Star vs. both taught me a valuable lesson in just how hard a shows potential can tank with its storytelling despite great characters and concepts.

Why did they drop the monster and gem location of the week shit from season 1

Sea and Sky Spires were both kino as fuck locations and episodes. It almost feels like a slap in the face to see the qt heaven and earth beetles at this point.

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I agree that at least one of the Diamonds should have been irredeemable, but I really like how hard they swerved on the early assumption that Rose was a perfect mother and Greg was a dead beat. I'm kind of hoping Rose ends up being the straight up villain in season 6.

She probably was white and was reset, her song in the movie hints this.

>system/BOOT. PearlFinal (3).Info

Final = white
(2) = pink
(3) = movie moment

10 minutes is simply not enough time to have a running main storyline and side-story adventures.

also, "stevens perspective" fucked it over.
> any time you don't see someone, they could be on that monster-hunting mission