Why do Batman and Superman's rogues galleries have so many parallels?
Joker = Green Goblin
Man-Bat = Lizard
Catwoman = Black Cat
Clayface = Chameleon, Sandman
Two-Face = Mr. Negative
Riddler = Mysterio
Is this just sheer coincidence? I know some things are probably deliberate, especially between DC and Marvel, but many of these don't really feel like they were on purpose. Is it just that when two vigilante superhero comics go on long enough, shit like this is just gonna be plain inevitable?
>Superman
you tried
There's only so many archetypes.
Most of those comparisons are a stretch though.
>Superman
Whoops
Marvel is known for its originality
I don't give a fuck, batman so mehhhhh.
Mister perfect best detective of the world is not for me..
Plus Norman's a fucking nightmare..
Because their comparisons are very superficial and those vague archetypes are found in many rogues galleries.
Joker and Goblin only have the fact they're crazy assholes in common but of completely different cloths.
Man-bat and Lizard are your typical animal man hybrids which are EVERYWHERE, he's not even the only one in either's rogues
Cat burglar is literally older than either character.
Two-face and Mr. Negative have nothing in common unless you reach to say Mr. Negative's negativity powers are binary which Two-face is obsessed with.
Mysterio and Riddler are just tricky fucks but not really close.
Someone finally said it.
Parallels can be hugely tangential and I think that's the case here.
The only tough case is Black Cat and Catwoman. I think the main difference is that Catwoman is very mature and Black Cat is still growing.
>Joker and Goblin only have the fact they're crazy assholes in common but of completely different cloths.
They are far more similar than that, specially before he was shown to be Norman
Green Goblin is nothing like the Joker. For one, he has a secret identity. And a family. And goals outside of "ruin peter parker's life and do shit for the lulz". And he's competent.
Catwoman is the ripoff of Black Cat. The original Catwoman was cheesy as fuck, and it wasn't until Black Cat showed up that they put her into a bodysuit.
All of these are just huge reaches and arbitrary. It's not a coincidence. It's you seeing a pattern where without realizing that "superheroes and supervillains share some tropes".
Might as well call Iron Man a Superman knockoff.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Catwoman was already famous for wearing a bodysuit at Adam West series before Black Cat cameo.
So yeah, Black Cat is still a Catwoman rip off.
Holy fuck I hate this comic so much, it retcon the only good DBZ movie.
The worst part is that the comic wasn't even necessary. Toriyama just made it to retcon everything he himself set up in his manga and then doubled down on it in the Broly movie.
Man-bat came after Lizard.
Clayface came after Chameleon and Sandman.
Riddler has nothing to do with Mysterio.
Black Cat is a shameless copy.
Joker x Green Goblin is debatable.
>and it wasn't until Black Cat showed up that they put her into a bodysuit.
She was in a bodysuit right after the Adam West series, although it was green for some reason.
Indeed. I hope he fired his editor for this blunder.
OP is an unpaid intern.
anyone else hate how the Super movie turned out? it somehow made Broly overpowered and underwhelming at the same time. OG Broly is weaker but he wrecked the saiyans and piccolo without even breaking a sweat. Super Broly is stronger but never really put a beatdown on goku, vegeta and frieza (comedy doesn't count).
The part where he couldn't even touch the angel guy took away any tension from the movie.
>anyone else hate how the Super movie turned out? it somehow made Broly overpowered and underwhelming at the same time. OG Broly is weaker but he wrecked the saiyans and piccolo without even breaking a sweat. Super Broly is stronger but never really put a beatdown on goku, vegeta and frieza (comedy doesn't count).
It seems that they won't be using Broly for a while and expect him to get nerfed when he does make a return. You can't just make someone as strong as a fusion character that gets stronger at an extremely fast rate. That's like making Jiren a regular cast member. As for the movie I think it's overrated. It's not bad or amazing, just another Dragon Ball movie.
This.
I am surprised new comic characters are still being introduced for this reason.
Where's The Vole?
>first Captain Marvel was going to be Marvel's answer to Wonder Woman
>now she's just a knockoff Superman
God, what a shit character.
It's even better when you realize it was a preemptive retcon to the character for the movie when the movie didn't even go in that direction for her origin. It's the Rhodey death all over again.
Well don't we all remember when Superman went one-on-one with Black Cat?
>it was a preemptive retcon to the character for the movie when the movie didn't even go in that direction for her origin
Didn't they have to change her original origin in the movie so that it was a total Green Lantern ripoff?
>DB minus
don't remind me
all 3 still happened but bardock didnt have his bloody bandana anymore
>all 3 still happened
It didn't except for maybe Vegeta, he retconned the fuck out of the movie
he is with kid radditz and nappa with hair when the planet explodes
yeah that's what I said everthing got retconned except for Vegeta though his outfit changed to something more generic
This is what Catwoman looked like in 1978, her last appearance before Black Cat's first.
And this is what she looked like after Black Cat was introduced.
And this is her during the Batman '66 heyday.
And here's black cat at intro.
She doesn't look like Selina. She has little in common with Selina except that they're both cat burglars, and they would both eventually dress like Emma Peel.
Gohan doesn't find Goku as a baby anymore, but rather as a child. I cant recall if that was in the manga or was just in a boat load of material outside the manga.
Someone finally said it. Thank fuck
This actually is kind of original. The parallels to Superman are probably more incidental than on purpose, since the name was inspired by Mar-Vell.
Or maybe they just wanted to give Steve Carell a shoutout, that’s possible too.
>vegeta is no longer stashed on frieza's ship with just nappa and raditz somewhere else
>goku is a little bit older and not immediately savage and has armor with him that's never seen again
>bardock's whole character is rewritten and the saiyans are shown as more intelligent and normal as opposed to their more brutish and violent past versions shown in the manga and anime
Toriyama napalmed the very foundation of the saiyan race and the start of Dragonball.
Kid Raditz is fucking cute.
For what it's worth, Selina adopted the beginnings of a catsuit we recognize in 1987, more than 8 years after Black Cat appeared.