Okay, I know people are kinda worn out on socio-political bullshit and I'd feel fortunate if this thread somehow manages to stay at all intelligent, but what the fuck is with Moulton Marston?
>Believes women are superior because of his work on polygraph tests and wants to show them as ideal leaders through love and that they are not damsels in distress >Believes they are submissive and that this is superior. Symbolizes an apparent weakness to men through bondage and submission
I don't really care about the socio-politics of it (but FYI it does piss me off a little and I definitely don't agree with Marston that there is a 'superior' gender), but I also just don't get it.
Did this guy even know what the fuck he was talking about? It seems like he thought his ideas sounded better than they actually were.
He took his fetish and perfect waifu's and turned it into a legendary comic book character. He's based.
Nolan Stewart
>writes some of the most inventive golden age books >gets to turn his waifu into a legendary character >one of the few creators who actually managed to get the upper hand against DC >invented the polygraph >successfully rehabilitated children with anger issues with his methods seems pretty based to me
Daniel Morgan
I mean, I guess that's fair.
Jordan Sullivan
Take the idea that submission is virtuous as long as it is submission to a pure and loving leader. Combine that with the incredibly sexist notion that women are the only ones capable of feeling love.
And there you go. Nothing difficult to understand.
John Wright
>>invented the polygraph
That's not a positive
Luke Sanchez
I agree. Seems fucking based in my book. I didn't know about the kids with anger issues stuff.
Hudson Torres
OP here. That actually is a positive. Even though the polygraph is questionable as a technique for telling if someone is lying or not, I would argue it did definitely help advance neurology.
Ayden Wood
That's like saying that phrenology helped advance psychiatry.
William Ross
So basically he believes women are more loyal? Well, that's interesting I guess. He was pretty (indirectly?) wrong about men, though. I don't hate the guy, but I guess seeing signs of this sorta effect on society and its promulgation through important people like Marston just bothers me. It didn't age well. At least, to me it didn't.
>waifu I guess if his dick was in his hand I can see that...
Julian Lewis
He thought that women are better because polygraphs allegedly show that they lie less. He didn't seem to realize that polygraphs don't mean shit unless the test subjects feel remorse for lying. Women think that the truth is whatever they want it to be, so of course they don't feel remorse for telling objective lies. His theories are shit that were motivated by his penis.
Carson Carter
Alright, you have to understand he was a scientist in a developing science the same way Freud was, Freud was full of shit but he got the ball rolling on a bunch of stuff that bore fruit later on and so did Marston. Marston didn't understand the full implications of biometrics and he took all the wrong answers from the questions he asked about gender differences and the relationship between nature and nurture. That being said Americans in particular and western civilization in general have abandoned most concepts of a state sanctioned code of duty, honor and responsibility and Marston hit upon this idea that people need a well defined place in society to function. He attached it to the female gender because of the results of his early biometrics tests and the fact that women seemed happier, healthier and more honest than men but given his work with anger issues in children and his approach to couples counseling his viewpoint of "honorable submission to a loving authority" was proved consistently better than people having nothing at all. Plus the man lived as the switch in a femdom/him/femsub marriage that lasted his whole life. He had some good ideas and contributed to some good science but the road he toom to get there was more twisted than a New York pretzel.
Andrew Martinez
>a device or procedure that measures and records several physiological indicators such as blood pressure, pulse, respiration, and skin conductivity while a person is asked and answers a series of questions
Even if its intended usage was wrong and even though I don't agree with developing such a thing to be used in criminal investigations etc, it did provide data that can inform science.
Julian Gutierrez
Dude, Marston was a known swinger and was in a strong polyamorous relationship with two women - the same women Wonder Woman is based off. His dick was all over the place...
Forgot: Phrenology on the other hand did not provide such useful data.
Dominic Ward
He just liked seeing women tie people up or get tied up. Everything else is just a justification for his fetish.
Luis Reed
>the misogynist isn't totally wrong Women are consistently better at beating polygraphs than men. Marston had no way of knowing this and assumed women were honestly happier and more trustworthy when the simpler answer was they're just better at deception.
John Richardson
Well said
Aaron Taylor
>He attached it to the female gender because of the results of his early biometrics tests and the fact that women seemed happier, healthier and more honest than men I suppose perhaps there is/was a chance he could've been right in that there was something men in general could learn from women in general.
>Americans in particular and western civilization in general have abandoned most concepts of a state sanctioned code of duty, honor and responsibility and Marston hit upon this idea that people need a well defined place in society to function. >given his work with anger issues in children and his approach to couples counseling his viewpoint of "honorable submission to a loving authority" was proved consistently better than people having nothing at all. I guess that's true.
James Jenkins
Women are less nervous about lying. Huh. I didn't know that. I hate saying it, but that does make sense from what I've seen in life...
Carter Rodriguez
>A cock that not only penetrates the depths of two women, but transcends physical reality to create it's ideal vessel which then permeates back into reality affecting world culture for generations to come
