Did Didio and Johns make the right call to resurrect them?
Did Didio and Johns make the right call to resurrect them?
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Hal sure, Barry no.
Hal being resurrected was okay.
Barry being resurrected ended up causing unnecessary things to happen (origin retcon to have Barry's mom murdered, Wally and the entire Flash Family getting retconned); about the only truly good thing we got out of it was Manapul's art on New 52 Flash, but at that point, it could've just been a series about Wally and you'd still have the art.
>Did Didio and Johns make the right call to resurrect them?
No. Hal Jordan should have remained The Specte and Barry should never have been brought back. No reason both characters couldn't have had more comics about them as GL and Flash with in continuity(time travel, etc) or an all-star type comic, they didn't need to come back to get more comcs.
No.
Wally>Barry
Kyle>Hal
Barry coming back wasn't even that bad really. It's the dead mom, dad in prison origin that sucks
my niggas
I dunno, I'm liking having Hal back. His relationship with Sinestro is interesting, and his hotshot personality makes sense with a ring that runs on willpower.
Johns really didn’t have much say, It was Didio and EVS that were pushing for Barry’s Return and Johns went along with it because of how well GL: Rebirth was received and Was probably promised a long run but because of the N52 it got cut super short
>Kyle>Hal
Shit taste.
Kyle was only ever good when he was the only lantern. Hal was always good, before and after he came back. And so were Guy and John.
Even with so many Earth lanterns, Hal, Guy and John still carved their own niches. Kyle meanwhile has no leg to stand on. He's the Tim Drake of the Green Lanterns.
This. Barry shouldn’t have come back until New 52. He should have been dead for all of Post-Crisis/New Earth.
>Barry shouldn’t have come back until New 52.
You know what yeah, if Barry and Hal had been restored as part of a(significantly more competent) New 52 launch that would have been fine by me.
What other characters got a GL/Flash reboot like the silver age? As in change of mythos
The only one I can think of is Blue Beetle but even Jaime was explicitly linked to Ted and Dan
Black Canary
Hawkman
Aquaman
I still think they should have let Morrison finish his Batman epic at his own pace and left it in the New Earth continuity- it would have been a great run to end it with anyway. That way everything else could have been a hard reboot. And if they waited until then, as you say, to bring back Hal and Barry it would have been way bigger than it
was.
>I still think they should have let Morrison finish his Batman epic at his own pace and left it in the New Earth continuity
Oh God yes, not letting Morrison write the final chapter of Post-Crisis Batman was stupid beyond belief.
Whats funny is their entire reasoning boils down to "not muh flash, not muh green lantern!"
Hal and Barry are both boring as fuck characters.
Atom
Hawkman
Aquaman
Green Arrow and Speedy
Black Canary after COIE (pre-COIE, she was from Earth-Two and traveled to Earth-One to have a relationship with Oliver. Then there was a lot of convoluted additions to her backstory. After COIE, it was retconned so that JSA Canary and JLA Canary were always two separate people (mother and daughter).
Blue Beetle still counts, though--The Golden Age Fox version was a cop who took a vitamin that made him superstrong and gave him a few other powers. The Silver Age Charlton version was an archeologist who came across a scarab.
Hal justified his return with the greatest GL run ever.
Barry has yet to receive a story as good as Wally's bests.
It was fine to bring them back.... BUT the way Didio and Johns did... meh. It was a mixed bag. The Batmanifacation of Barry with his dead mom was pretty lame.
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Pretty much. The GLC coming back was a great improvement, Barry's been stagnant and regressive. He hasn't really justified his own return the way Hal did; his stories continually rely on Wally's concepts and he takes on Wally's personality traits in both the comics and adaptations.
The vast majority of the GOAT green lantern stories are about Hal. Can’t say that about Barry. He just got the gig back because they thought he’d be easier to adapt. Which is bull, look at Scott Lang.
Barry was a fucking mistake.
Hal at least had Johns run up until Blackest Night to justify his return.
It's funny how Jay and Alan ended up being better characters than Barry and Hal
No. Put should stay dead
But at least with Hal, johns had a 10 years old run to re-establish the character
>Green Arrow and Speedy
Was this not more of a redressing? Like the mythos was the same as before it's just their writing style was made more contemporary
Both are no. Nothing we've gotten with Hal back was worth it. Barry's been totally useless/
For howlong barry and Hal were dead?
*both
>Johns really didn’t have much say
Please post evidence of that.
Barry was like 23 years.
Hal, much, much less. Hal had not been Green Lantern for a couple years before (during Zero Hour in 1994), but he officially died during the September 1996 "The Final Night" miniseries/event.
In 1999, Johns (still a pretty new writer at DC) was given the handle of a miniseries called "Day of Judgement." He used that to bring Hal back into comics, but as the new host of The Spectre. Hal then had his own Spectre volume, written by John Marc DeMatteis. That series started in early 2001, and was cancelled by #27 in early 2003.
Johns, now a much bigger writer than in 1999, was able to bring Hal back to life as the main Green Lantern in 2004's "Green Lantern: Rebirth" miniseries (it helped that Didio had joined the company in 2002). That miniseries ignored most of the JMD Spectre volume.
So while Hal was technically a ghost from 1996-2004, he was still around as a character starting from 1999.
Thanks.
Barry was dead for a really long time, 23 years!
Johns intention was always bring Hal back. I guess hal ebing dead for a short time helped the character.
In the original origin, Green Arrow was a guy who had a longtime interest in Native American stuff (and grew up learning archery that way), not a guy who got marooned on an island. It's very different. It's not like how Superman's origin changed in small details (like being taken in by an orphanage to being raised by the Kents)