ITT: Status quo changes that lasted a surprisingly long time

After Dick Grayson left for college, Batman moved away from Wayne Manor to a penthouse in the middle of Gotham, underneath which he had built a new Batcave. This lasted from 1969 to 1982.

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Alfred Pennyworth died in 1964 and was supposed to stay dead. The then current Batman team were trying to revitalize the franchise and so Alfred heroically sacrificed himself for Batman, and Bruce established the Alfred Foundation in his memory.

Then, because of the HUGE success of the live-action Adam West show (which included Alfred) the comics creators were pressured to make the comics more like the TV show for brand synergy, and that included bringing back Alfred. They did this by revealing that the mysterious villain the Outsider who had been appearing in the comics for a while was actually a mutated Alfred. He was promptly cured and restored.

The Outsider was not originally planned to be Alfred at all though we have no idea what the original plan was for him now.

Nice click bait cover

Those were wonderfull years.

Unlike other covers at the time, it wasn't clickbait, it was clearly intended as a permanent change at the time. They really did close the original Batcave and didn't return until 13 years later.

Why can't comic book characters ever stay dead?

i miss when Barry's sacrifice meant something

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Has that been fully retconned yet?

Did we get their marriage back from Mephisto yet?

I'd be shocked if the final story of Nick Spencer's run isn't a OMD retcon. He seems to be building towards it.

>Peter...[Raimi racism meme here]

>dies

Uncle Ben, keeps dying. It's like his destiny. If he gets revived, its just to die again.

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Any case where a supporting character gets superpowers and it sticks. Marvel has been doing this a LOT for the last 15 or so years.

Betty Ross
Rick Jones
Pepper Potts
Flash Thompson
Jane Foster

to name the most prominent ones

In like the most recent Spider-Man, he revealed that he’s planning on proposing.

In retrospect, it's weird how Eddie Brock was separated from the Venom symbiote for over 10 years. First it was bonded with Gargan, and everyone hated it and wanted Eddie back. Then Flash was the new host, and everyone wanted to stay as Venom and were mad when Eddie swooped right back in.

Don't forget me!

ANGEL-

>symbiote leaves mid-jump

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I can't believe the stupid slutty ninja bodyswap thing lasted for 20 years.

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But is he going to Hell and punch Mephisto for his marriage/memories back?

Thusly killing Aunt May, finally.

Maybe that can be a status quo that'll last

Or retcon her into Marisa Tomei

Fucking Geoff Johns and his silver age wankery bullshit. Fuck him with a rake.

>But is he going to Hell and punch Mephisto for his marriage/memories back?
Please take hulk, miles and dr strange along, thanks

>Or retcon her into Marisa Tomei

Pete punches Mephisto, Aunt May becomes a hot 40-something. Okay, that seems like a fair deal.

>*cough*
You didn't forget me, right? Everyone's favorite, Sasu- I mean, Lee Pr-
>*jobs to Carnage*

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Really? That's funny because that was how he turned feral in the first place.

To be fair, Hal wasn't dead in the traditional sense for a super long time. He died in 96 during Final Night and was brought back as the Spectre in 99. Now him actually gaining his body back and becoming a GL again was a couple more years down the line.

I wish she still did ninja stuff though. Psychic knight is cool too, but just not the same.

No one cares about white Psylocke. Aren't they making Kwannon take over the Psylocke name/identity? That makes more sense and will make fans happier while also not offending people like the raceswap thing did.

Cable got replaced with his teenage self over a year ago and it doesn't seem to be changing back any time soon.

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Kind of funny what a total non-entity Psylocke is that they can just give the identity to a totally different woman and she's still registering as "Psylocke" for people.

You're thinking of when Genesis, Cable's evil son, tried to put Adamantium in Wolverine's body and failed.

They should just have Kwannon and Betsy do a permanent Fusion Dance or something.

I like Betsy and I'll be buying Excalibur.

>these were the Batman comics Morrison said he grew up with
Huh, I wonder if they're any good

They're silver age so you have to let yourself accept crazy storylines and dumb unbelievable shit, but once you do they're great

>They should just have Kwannon and Betsy do a permanent Fusion Dance or something.

It'll happen after this little experiment flops. Which it will.

Iris West actually being from the future and surviving her death at Professor Zoom's hands by having her mind transferred into a cloned body in the 31st century lasted almost 20 years.

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Geoff Johns murdered Barry Allen's mother 10 years ago.

He didn’t, guest artists didn’t want to draw him that way and just said stuff like “he’s wearing an image inducer”. Eventually they just stopped making excuses and he popped up working for Apocalypse.

wtf is Iris wearing on the right

Outside of his a few stories where he was mind-controlled or the serum started to affect his intelligence again, Man-Bat was actually a straight-up hero for most of the first 20 years of his existence after the first arc.

I think the second batcave turned up in new 52 at some point? I had no idea it was from a decade of comics.

Professor X relocated to outer space and stayed there for most of the 80s. He barely had a presence in the X-books during that time.

Yeah, the modern, word-free, generic pose covers are so much better!

Also there was a Batgirl before Barbara Gordon of the tv show debuted, it was Better Kane that became Flamebird in post-Crisis continuity.

>Betty Ross
Didn't stick

>Rick Jones
Didn't stick

>Pepper Potts
Powers?

Harvey Dent (or Kent as he was called then) stayed reformed and cured from 1943 to 1954.

In the original Golden Age continuity, Steve Rogers became a schoolteacher (with Bucky as his student) after getting out of the army from 1947-9 and the 1953-4 revival.

On the same note, the X-men didn't fight Magneto from Uncanny X-men 150 (October 1981) to X-men 1 (October 1991).

>>Betty Ross
>Didn't stick
>>Rick Jones
>Didn't stick
Which Immortal Hulk have you been reading?

Are you fucking insane? They are the best Batman comics ever written. You don't know O'Neill and Adams or Aparo or Englehart?

He's even in JLD nowadays

>while also not offending people like the raceswap thing did.
I need evidence of this (anything post-2000 doesn't count).

Future clothes.

should've been fucking permanent

Lex Luthor unknowingly fucking Parasite shapeshifted into Lois Lane was canon for over 10 years.

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I can't believe they didn't just eventually retcon her to always be asian.

I would read that comic.

He got character development and become Professor Magneto.

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I remember when Cable died and Cable & Deadpool carried on with just Deadpool.
And then he died at the end of Second Coming.
Oh, and X-Cutioner's Song, too.

Kinda hard to do when your own biological - and white - brother is also a part of the setting.

Well, half of the 80s. He was still on Earth after Secret Wars in 1984.

Wolverine with bone claws was a really fun time, his fight with Cyber where he loses them was cool.

>Which Immortal Hulk have you been reading?
I haven't yet. I was referring to Red She-Hulk and A-Bomb (and other times before those).

It has been six years. Royal family doesn't even live in it.

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I just read through PADs scarlet spider and I’m surprised that Mephisto didn’t bring up OMD to Ben. I’m wondering if that ending is going to be brought up again.

>teenage Cable
Gross

This is starlings dad isn’t it?

Fuck ninja psylocke, i’ve been saying that for over 2 decades. That was never psylocke. She had zero character, she was just retconned good kwannon.

It still surprises me that they didn't sweep Speedball's Penance phase under the rug after literally taking the piss out of it.

why marvel put Attilan in NY ?

I remember when His adamantium claws were explicitly cybernetic implants which people forgot about when they took away his adamantium.

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He's surprisingly impressive for such a short appearance.

>Fuck ninja psylocke
I'd love to.

Johns wanted Hal back bad, not Barry.
Meanwhile, here's Didio bragging about getting both of them back

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There were these good collections I had as a kid, I don’t know if DC still prints them anymore. They all had titles like “Superman in the 50s” “Batman in the 80s” etc.
That comic user posted that you’re responding to is the last story in Batman in the 60s, and all the rest of the comics in that run would be in Batman in the 70s

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And before that they were just part of his gloves.

I’m sorry, I miswrote. “all the rest of the comics in that run” haven’t been reprinted. These collections are best-of compilations

That purple muscular monster? Ewww.

>Tim Drake was Robin for almost exactly 20 years and now nobody cares.

>Conan the Barbarian comics were owned by Marvel and he would occasionally cross over into their canon now and then for 25 years. Conan recently came back after... well, almost the exact amount of time-- Savage Sword was the last Conan comic to end (95) but Dark Horse didn't start until 00 and ended over a year ago before Marvel got him back.

>While he would switch around a little, the Black and white Spider-man costume was his default for 4 years until MJ encountering Venom for the first time caused Peter to abandon it for the classic red and blues.

>She-Hulk was a member of the Fantastic four for 3 years, replacing the Thing, making her the longest standing replacement hero of the team.

Soon

Because it's Marvel. Nearly every super hero has to live in New York State. Spider-man, the Defenders, the Avengers, the Fantastic Four, the X-men, etc. etc.
At some point you'd think some super powerful villain would just think to get rid of the state to get rid of the big guns.

The whole Flash story was always weird to me, half the time it seemed like the writers hated him, the other half of the time he’s getting arguably the greatest reformation arc ever. Then he became Agent Venom, then a Guardian, then he gets killed.

>She-Hulk was a member of the Fantastic four for 3 years, replacing the Thing, making her the longest standing replacement hero of the team.
Best replacement team coming through

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this kind of thing makes the universe "small"

Similar to this, Carol Danvers became Binary in 1982, and went into space with the Starjammers, she didn't appear as a regular character anywhere again until the 1997 Avengers series.

>Death of Captain Marvel
>Superhero Registration Act
>Unworthy Thor
>Axis Sabertooth
>Greg Pac-era smart Hulk/Hulk "family"

It took Vision 6 years to get back to normal. Marvel have kept Wanda & Vision apart for over 30 years since this.

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Happy Hogan has been dead for the passing 12 years and not even the MCU version has managed to bring him back. Better this way too, since his wife is now Stark's wife.

THIS RIGHT FUCKING HERE

On the other hand...Leaving earth. Over decade on moon. Came down for like four years and were mistakenly put back up. Marvel even tried to retcon that they were always there.

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Is that the penthouse Morrison used in his run?

Mach V/Abe from the Thunderbolts got turned black by Techno as a prank. He stayed this way for at least 5 years until Techno finally changed him back.

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Thor becoming unworthy and original Nick Fury becoming the Watcher is 5 years old now.

This was when Bats was pushed into a James Bond thematic. Bruce became a bit more of the playboy than he'd been previously, and of course the emphasis on the Bond-type gadgets from the utility belt.

Damien's remained Robin for an amazingly long time and I hope he stays Robin well into the foreseeable future. Like him or hate him I do not want them to add another fucking robin

How long did nulobo last?

Wait what? Christ I hadn't realized it had been so long since I read a marvel book this is the first I've heard of this

Hot future fashions

Azrael has been around for 22 years.

No one can even tell you his real name anymore.

There's a status quo change I hope sticks.

I thought she went by Batwoman? Which is why the modern Bateman's last name is Kane

Jean Paul Valley

Jason Todd actually stayed dead for like 20 years which seems like some kinda miracle
And Lex was a hero for what 2 years?

Jean Paul Valley. I'll always remember Knightfall and Knightquest from my childhood because I loved the suit and hated the reveal about his parentage in his series.

Well jump this wall if you're so special

I thought it was still the dude who had the suit of tears or whatever.

It's weird to me that hulk has a successful comic, I feel like that's never happened.
Who's next? Hawkman? Namor? Carol?

He first appeared in 2013 and last appeared in 2017 (captured by Larfleeze). He only really took over as the main Lobo by December 2014 though, and the actual Lobo was already back earlier in 2017.

Thats the best era of Batman IMO. Idk how people here can consider themselves Batfags when they haven't read any Neal Adams

Does nightwing count? The original sidekick was allowed to grow up and become a hero separate (kinda) from batman and its lasted for decades

Cool thanks.... should I try and read that era of Lobo? Like just for kicks?

Aunt May is dying of cancer, so the deal is ending on itself own I guess. Or maybe shes dying BECAUSE Pete is thinking of proposing.

Did that happen to Iron man years ago?

>Satan is behind Cancer

Well. I guess if the One Below All is with Gamma Radiation now, Mephisto can be a Cancer Devil?

If you can get enjoyment from generic drek. The whole issue with new Lobo is that he is this generic edgy character with no irony (but actually a good guy who actually didn't kill his race, but carries the guilty for their death!).

In his last few appearances, like this one, they were making him more like standard Lobo, but it really didn't fit with his origins, which is why they just brought the original back in the end (it also makes his accusation of the other Lobo taking his identity completely senseless, since they have completely different origin stories and basically just share a name and race).

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>Batman moved away from Wayne Manor to a penthouse in the middle of Gotham, underneath which he had built a new Batcave. This lasted from 1969 to 1982.

explains The Dark Knight now.

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Plebs here won't read anything before the 80s, we even had this fucking retard confuse bronze age with silver age. I blame cartoonfags, I wanna kill em all

>Bruce became a bit more of the playboy than he'd been previously

>Bruce becomes a slut when his kid leaves

Why is this so funny

"Bronze Age" is a fucking meme. The actually recognized ages are Gold, Silver, Post-Crisis, Modern.

>It's weird to me that hulk has a successful comic, I feel like that's never happened.
Wasn't Peter David's Hulk successful in the 1980s and 1990s? Didn't Planet Hulk, World War Hulk and the Loeb Red Hulk run sell?

Everything in marvel has to happen either in Manhattan Wakanda, Atlantis, or the Savage Land

Or San Fransisco, any team that isn't in NYC is there instead.

Dick Grayson has been stripped of the Nightwing moniker a few times, but outside of TV show or movie reboots, he's never going back to being Robin.

Is he back to being speedball again?

And even the TV shows have him eventually become Nightwing.

Iceman, Beast, and Angel left the X-Men in the 1970s, and didn't return to the team until 1991. Even if you count X-Factor, that didn't happen until 1986. Meaning, for over a dozen years, those guys had pretty much nothing to do with the X-Men and their world, aside from the Beast guest-starring in a few stories. They spent all that time hanging out with the Avengers, Champions, and/or Defenders.

Hell, even Teen Titans Go acknowledged it.

Yup.
Vol # 325-332 in '96. Was undone by Heroes Reborn / Heroes Return.

Namor was one of Marvel's top 3 heroes in the 40s, had the longest-lived revival in the 50s and was the most popular villain in the early Silver Age, with his solo series beginning in Tales to Astonish and then his own title lasting 11 years. That's not even getting into Byrne's run.

Nope. You're thinking "copper age". DC themselves recognize the Bronze Age, as can be seen by their currently printing "bronze age" trades and omnibus.
Ages:
Golen= 1938-1955
Silver= 1956-1970
Bronze= 1970-1985
Copper/modern/post crisis= 1986+

I've seen people on here seriously call Evil Ernie Silver Age.

Mephy is occupied plotting to take hell back
i wouldn't be surprised if Satan comes back too

Wait when did that get undone?

Whats the point

Similarly, Clark Kent stopped working at the Daily Planet in 1971 and became a TV news anchor. He didn't return until 1978, because of the movie.

Jubilee was a powerless for nearly 15 years and a vampire for close to a decade.

Red she hulk stuck until we got Doc. Green's Garbage dehulking his son and her (and sealing his old daughter in weirdworld)

I hope Ewing Brings her and Thundra Back.

TBF he didn't make much sense being alive still since he fought alongside nick in WW2, though I did love the howling commandos book

Dani Moonstar was also powerless until this year. She was in fact the last major mutant to lose her powers in Decimation to get them back.
At this point, the most recognizable M-Day victim to still be powerless is Prodigy.

Uh, Happy Hogan wasn't one of the Howlers. You're thinking of Dum Dum Hogan.
Dum Dum Hogan is in fact still alive.

No love for the great lake avengers, their first appearance was kino, everything after that was shit due to various shit writers

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Now they will return because Danny got his new book, Joe is walking around as Banner, Peter is getting OMD retconned, and Logan is back.

one of the "where's wolverine" minis from last year

>Aren't they making Kwannon take over the Psylocke name/identity?
Yes, Betsy's Captain Britain now and Kwannon is using the Psylocke name.

Bucky being dead.
I would be mad that he returned but real talk, Brubaker brought me back into comics so in a way, that status quo change made me a fan again.

Isn't he a constantly-rebooting LMD now or such?

Uncle Ben being tortured by Gold Experience Requiem

And BVS.

Didn't flash lose venom become antivenom then die in between runs?
Either way ill always be a little bit salty they dumped all that character development. I kinda liked the slightly more reformed symbiote.

Jean being dead from 2004-pretty recently

I think he has a bunch of mini caves now

>Didn't flash lose venom become antivenom then die in between runs?
Yes, it was one of the last things that Slott did in his run.

Norman Osborn was dead for 21 years.
Surprising to me, honestly.

Why did they bother reviving him anyway?
Everyone was fine with Harry.

I came back into comics right near the end of flash venom and was really annoyed when he got the axe. I'm happy he got at least little respect in this current run but it still sucks its over.

by that point harry was dead for 10 I think

There were a lot of questionable decisions made in the Clone Saga.

Wasn't it in the Hymalayas before it went to the Moon in a Paul Jenkins mini?

JEEAAAANNNN!

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Kara Zor-El was gone for almost 20 years.
After CoIE, DC had an autistic SUPERMAN IS THE LAST KRYPTONIAN edict, so even though they still wanted to bank on the Supergirl identity, they refused to let her be Superman's cousin, so instead we got this weird alien shapeshifter and an even weirder teenage girl angel. This even affected the DCAU Supergirl.
Eventually, DC finally got their heads of out of their asses and let Kara come back as the one true Supergirl because she's far more interesting and less convoluted.

It was on the recently risen Atlantis, Jenkins moved it back to the Himalayas, and the next writer continuity error'd back onto the moon.

Good 10 year death

So you’re saying there’s a chance?

>Marvel have kept Wanda & Vision apart for over 30 years since this.
This is one of the worst travesties

>Better this way too, since his wife is now Stark's wife.
Who?

Ned Leeds was the original Hobgoblin for eight years from 1989-1997. It was the definite reveal until Spider-Man editorial asked if Hobgoblin creator Roger Stern would be interested in actually wrapping up the Saga with the reveal as he intended. He did.

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FUCK Dildio

Every writer who shows interest in reuniting them leaves. Tom Brevoort is there forever.

Did the comic ever mention this, or is this the only panel? God this storyline was so fucking stupid.

>Jean Grey

It's such a shame how they did ned so dirty he was never a perfect character but he had some small moments

>Copper/modern/post crisis= 1986+
That’s such a long timespan

On that note Cyclops dating Emma for over a decade is surprising.

It's a shame Spencer did nothing with the concept of Ned being alive. He just decided, "WHELP!" Gotta kill him again.

Him, Flash, and Betty going after Kingsley would have been a fun read.

Rings are cool

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What's weirder is that he was the only fucking character that slott brought back during that abortion of a saga. Though I am somewhat forgiving of it because it's lack of acknowledgement of sins past is the best retcon the story could have

You could argue most of the OG Thunderbolts being turned into good guys. Mimi and Atlas were never really outright evil but Abe was a giant piece of shit (the dude roped Ringer back into crime and humiliated him which led to his eventual death) and he's been one of the most committed good guys in the MU for close to 25 years.

>I came back into comics right near the end of flash venom and was really annoyed when he got the axe. I'm happy he got at least little respect in this current run but it still sucks its over.
It was weird I was in my lcs and was like “why does venom look different”, and “why was venom in the Guardians” and then I read a little and was like “wtf Flash is Venom” then they killed his ass. Kind of fucked up but the character had a cool redemption arc.

It kind of counts as a status quo but I don't think Dani being Elixir's legal guardian has ever actually been dropped, just forgotten.

They really fucked up Ned Leeds and Hobgoblin

the funniest thing is how they not only fucked up the reveal they fucked up the timing with Priest killing ned in spider-man wolverine with seemingly no involvement with what was going on in amazing. Wasn't he the editor in charge> How did that slip him by so badly?

I still have a strong soft spot for Tim

It's not a status quo but despite her dying/resurrecting reputation that's also Jean's only death. She never died during the Phoenix Saga and even if you hate the retcon she's only died and come back twice in nearly 60 years of existence which is probably a better track record than other X-Men characters.

Black costume should've stuck as definitive Spidey. We'd now look back at the red and blue almost like yellow/red Daredevil.

I feel like we've entered a new age but no one has come up with a name for it

DeFalco said he was building towards Richard Fisk as Hobgoblin and Kingsley as the Rose, but had told everyone at Marvel that Ned was Hobgoblin to maintain the secret. There have been allegations that after DeFalco was fired, some of the things Priest did were done out of spite, like killing Ned.

He was also dead for years after Disassembled.

>I blame cartoonfags, I wanna kill em all

They are bad but it's always been that way, Yea Forums was the death.

>22 years
The first Azrael series came BEFORE Knightfall, early 90s.

Is Defalco on the list of the 5 big racists in comics?

If he wasn't in the MCU, he would probably still be dead.

I prefer this to them being a part of his skeleton. Makes more sense that he just had a really good healing factor and Weapon-X made him a weapon with implants and shit.

From his death to his grave being found empty was just under 15 years, and he came back as Red Hood not long after.

Guy who posted the thing about Tim, here. DESU I liked him too and he seemed, out of all the Robins, the best at doing solo shit as well as swinging by to help out Batman as his side kick. I know he's been with other groups but has Damien ever had a solo outing? Legit curious.

Though in general all the new legacies of the 90s over at DC seemed to have been trashed. Nobody seems happy that Barry took back the Flash mantle over Wally, and Kyle Rayner was GL for like ten years or so.

Closest Damien has had to solo outings is super sons

Bronze Age is roughly from death of Gwen Stacy through to...Dark Knight Returns, or the gritty/extreme era it inspired.
Also, Bronze Age is best age.

1973 - 1997.

Wasn't it 1996?

I feel like an age ended around 2000, after Superman stopped being red/blue, Wolverine got the adamantium back, the Spidey restart flopped and JMS came on, Bendis (ugh) got started...

That's such a good fucking prank.

The “Copper” or “Dark Age” was from 1986 until around the time Kingdom Come was published.

Oh, yeah, end of '96.

1998, actually.

Yeah I’d agree. Ultimate Spider-Man and Ellis The Authority marked the beginning of a new age of comics that lasted until the New 52 reboot I’d say. We’re in a new age right now, one that is defined by diversity and other gay shit.

It's been so fucking long now it seems like they're just not acknowledging it much.

I can't see how 1996 was the end of the EXTREME period.

We've had a lot of shorter 'ages', one from around 1986 to 1996, then a shorter age for the rest of the 1990s. 2001-2004 and 2005-2012 are their own ages for Marvel at least, and we've been stuck in the Woke Age since then.

Nah, I looked it up. Osborn came back in Spider-Man #75, cover date December '96.

>Kara is far more interesting

Spoken like a true zoomer.
The best Supergirl run is Peter David's. And it wasn't with Kara.

I feel like we're in a post-continuity age. At least for DC. They used to keep their continuity more or less in order, I mean, you could point out where did stuff happened in some back issue. Now since New 52 we don't know what the past of the characters is, unless they try to fix it and bring back the old canon with Doomsday Clock or whatever Crisis they're cooking up for 2020.

I thought the 90s was considered the Dark Age/Iron Age

For Marvel it's the end of the Clone Saga, plus Onslaught, the last big and sort of successful X-Men even of the 1990s, after that they start moving towards retro books, backwards looking stories, and undoing changes from the Extreme 1990s era. Lee and Liefeld working on Heroes Reborn fits as the end of an era, and is around the time Liefeld stopped being popular, and even Image were starting to move away from extreme superheroes. DC had by this point gotten most of it's main heroes back to normal after the early 1990s stunt storylines as well.

DC's successive reboots mean nobody knows what's continuity anymore. Marvel stopped caring about continuity in the early 2000s under Quesada and Jemas. We've been in a post-continuity age for probably around 20 years.

Fucking what?

Marvel is weird because they TRIED to reboot but it somehow didn't take.

It doesn't make sense at all

>what if we put a weapon in his arms?
>like a knife on each hand?
>no, three knives on each hand

>how is he going to use the knives?
>fuck if I know, I guess his muscles will just attach themselves for some reason and make them spring loaded

>adamantium is really tricky to work
>but we managed to create a complex weapon with moving parts out of it
>also we fused it to this guy's arms so that his body didn't heal it out of him

In the Weapon X story everyone is shocked when he first reveals his claws, they clearly weren't meant to be implanted into him with the adamantium. This set up the bone claws reveal several years later.

I would agree, maybe go from like 1986-1999 then 2000 on.

I miss the original Nick Fury. I don't think any actor is 'cool' and deserves to replace a comic book character with their Hollywood clout.

I can buy people at the Daly Planet not putting two and two together cause Clark is a meek wall flower that people forget is there, but when he's on TV every-night with footage of Superman playing it reeeaaaaallllllyyyyy stretches the suspension of disbelief.

>Marvel is weird because they TRIED to reboot but it somehow didn't take.
No, it just imported a lot of AU characters. Brevoort couldn't even force writers to stop using the term "616".

>While he would switch around a little, the Black and white Spider-man costume was his default for 4 years until MJ encountering Venom for the first time caused Peter to abandon it for the classic red and blues.
I always thought this lasted for like 1 year for some event like comics do now.

Remember when Wonder Woman wore this stupid fucking costume, but that was for like a few months

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It's been 4 years and I think she's still running around being stupid in Wonder Woman

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not the guy who wrote that, but I was thinking Heroes Reborn with that upper comment

Yeah, seriously. DC decided that being a journalist for a major metropolitan newspaper was too old hat, so to keep up with the happening '70's they made him a TV anchor.

Of course, this lead to further quandaries about how he keeps his identity secret, which lead to the infamous "subconscious super hypnotism" issue.

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Implanted blades? That's doesn't make sense at all!
>proceeds to read a story about a guy that shoots lasers out of his eyes fighting Auschwitz survivor that can control metal with his mind.

Dunno why, Kyle was fucking horrible.

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Have we ever actually seen what Azrael looks like without his mask?

>it's fiction so it doesn't have to be consistent!

I see your point but I do think the red-blue worked wonders for Spidey’s appeal in terms of merchandising and in a meta sense, kid-friendliness.

Would Ted Kord being dead count? He was dead up until around Forever Evil and I still don't understand how he's alive because while he did come back at some point in the New 52, he wasn't in the Blue Beetle costume and it was basically a rebooted character and they completely ignored that.

Then, after Rebirth, he just came back out of nowhere with is entire pre-52 backstory with no mention of him being dead

One of the Avengers is a fucking android, while Tony has power armour powered by a mini nuclear reactor. And don't forget a 16 year old in Queens manufactured a super strong adhesive and delivery method in his aunts basement using shit from Radioshack. So tell me again how the fuck Logan's claws being a cybernetic implants doesn't make sense again?

>>Tim Drake was Robin for almost exactly 20 years and now nobody cares.

Legacylets, when will they learn?

I dunno, I think it's pretty cool. Not as an all-the-time thing but I could see it being a power up outfit.

No they did a solo after he was resurrected where he had that big golem thing

Because the entire point of adamantium is that it is basically indestructible and therefore, can't be worked like other metals. Robots, power armor and sticky shit aren't defeated by their own premise.

Specially he came back in Heroes in Crisis.
And again, the New 52 Ted Kord we see for like 2 issues isn't the Ted Kord from HiC because he has all his memories of pre-52 adventures with Booster.

Nah I was thinking the end of Secret Wars, there was that push for Earth-Prime and little changes all over.

Also, speaking of Booster.
I think the New 52 Booster Gold became Waverider and the current Booster is the pre-New 52 Booster

>Because the entire point of adamantium is that it is basically indestructible and therefore, can't be worked like other metals.
Then how the fuck did they put it on Logan's bones then.
>They melted it and...
BZZZZT! Wrong, as you said, the entire point of adamantium is that it is basically indestructible and therefore, can't be worked like other metals. I hope you work hard for that No Prize in your next post.

The same Avengers story that introduced adamantium also introduced a "molecular re-arranger" device that was used to get it into the required shape.

>>They melted it and...

It wasn't adamantium until it was already a liquid.

Well, looks like you've earned this.
Congratulations!

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Sorry pal, this guy beat you to it.

The claws being natural make more sense to me given that altering his musculature to accommodate them on top of the adamantium bonding is sort of convoluted engineering. It's comics, so their being implanted would hardly raise eyebrows, but I like it more the way it is now.

>heh, I sure owned that guy. My non-canon version that only massive nerds know about it guaranteed to be seen as superior now

>Specially he came back in Heroes in Crisis
He was in the Blue Beetle Rebirth series.
But no one read that

Don't make me tap the sign again user.

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>Not as an all-the-time thing but I could see it being a power up outfit.
I wish they would bring out the gold eagle suit from KC out more.

>my smug sense of accomplishment will carry me through the rest of this

>Blue Beetle Rebirth series.
>But no one read that
There was a Blue Beetle rebirth series?!

giffen wrote it too

Hehehe, ain't that the truth!

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Not him, but I very vaguely remember that

"Betty"
Batwoman was Kathy Kane, remade as Kate. Kathy was murdered by the League of Assassins pre-Crisis, iirc the trigger-man was a brainwashed (?) Bronze Tiger. I hated DC for that.

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For the duration of the new 52 and Rebirth Conner/Kon-El was not a clone of Clark and Lex but of Jon. So like 7 or 8 years. Despite Conner’s Lex/Cadmus origin being utilized in a ton of other media.

TMNT’s Image run completely changed the TMNT in the comics for a number of years.

People can look entirely different sometimes.

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Power Girl was the great-granddaughter of the Atlantean wizard Atlan and thus a very distant relative to Aquaman for over 15 years until Geoff Johns retconned it in "Infinite Crisis".

Speaking of which, in the 90's Power Girl actually had a son and they did an entire "Who is the daddy?" storyline (Hal Jordan was the prime suspect), which ended up being some sort of weird virgin conception by Atlan. That was never retconned either, just kinda' forgotten about.

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Damian had two: One based on the Batman 666 timeline and one by Tomasi and Gleeson (which is where Maya was introduced).

Xavin is still in space.

Man, this is a surprisingly good cover for sixties or seventies.

the second biggest mutant still confirmed depowered (thanks to rosenberg) is Reaper

my depowered faves are Maverick and Abyss

>No one cares about white Psylocke
Fuck you, I do.

Are you me?

>Betsy's Captain Britain now
Again?

Didn't Clone Saga last like fucking 9 years? God I'm glad I wasn't into comics during that time.

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>Wind Dancer has been in comic limbo for 10 years

He hasn't been called "Captain Marvel" for a few years now.

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Plastic Age? Enormous influx of comic interest because of movies? There's probably a better word to connect the cinema angle. Silicon?

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Yup and she's leading the new Excalibur team.

>great-granddaughter of the Atlantean wizard Atlan
Arion. Atlan came later under PAD's The Atlantis Chronicles.
Hell, Arion only got a shout out in the first page of that, with PAD basically saying "yeah, all that Arion of Atlantis stuff happened several thousands of years before even this ancient stuff."
Peeg would have also been part asian-atlantean since Arion married Lady Chian, shown on this cover

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IIRC he's officially Shazam now, or has been for the last couple years. I seem to vaguely remember a copyright thing with DC conceding the title to Marvel.

1971.
Neal Adams

It was referenced at the start of Johns' run but that's about it.

God damn do I love blue and gray Batman.

Except for sporadic appearances in flashbacks and mental scenarios, the child-like Savage Hulk was largely dormant form 1986-1999, and one could further trace his phasing out back to 1982. The classic persona had largely been kept alive by nostalgia and cartoon adaptations until John Byrne's run.

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Due to the age of the book, it simply can't be clickbait.

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Just goes to show you, kids...but when you steal a book from another company, always pay to reup those copyrights.

Is the wizard still named Shazam too, or is there even a wizard still, or what?

>Or maybe shes dying BECAUSE Pete is thinking of proposing.
That is honestly what I'm putting my money on.

He's going to have to make the same choice again, and this time he's going to make the right one. Also his new sidekick Boomerang will be there.

Technically he's still called Shazam because he specifically says "Say my name" but now they just refer to him as "The Wizard"
This is kinda like the whole deal with Frankenstein's monster simply being called Frankenstein, basically Shazam's champion just being called Shazam.

that cover is beautiful

Still dead all these years later.

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And he was forgotten by the time I was born

Is Nick Fury still on the moon?

Has Bendis basically side-stepped Conner's Nu52 phase so far? I read two issues of Young Justice and was just disgusted by his style of writing that I couldn't read more.

Last I recall, Kon accidentally killed a bunch of people then fucked off with Harvest somewhere, then Harvest pops up dead in I THINK the current Red Hood run.

How the fuck does he manage to build Batcaves without anyone noticing?

Wut

>Died so they could replace him with Fury who they could fully replace him with Samuel Jackson
I hate synergy.

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While the title has been around for just a couple of years, I’m surprised this isn’t referenced much outside her comic

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On that note, Mindless Hulk was around for 24 issues.

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yes he is still up there. Even through they really should undo the Watcher's death, I kinda miss him.

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It’s Dum Dum Dugan. And he died ages ago and has been an LMD for decades.

sure silicon age works

I feel like Tim really took Robin and made it its own thing, someone who wasn't Batman's sidekick but his partner who could stand on his own out of Batman's shadow and who was something of the leading figure for the younger heroes of the DCU because he had the ability to lead while being more affable and outgoing.

Then they ruined that by killing Young Justice (because DiDio hated it since he felt it was "too kiddy" and absolutely despised Slobo) and then turning him into Batman Jr. after Infinite Crisis where he's just a constantly moody, broody, keikaku doori dickhead just like all the worst interpertations of Bruce.

Wish I could turn people black for pranks, that'd be funny as shit.

Speaking of Carnage, this stock for like 6 years

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Plastic Age works because the entire thing has become cheap and manufactured, quality and artistry buried under cheap slop meant to be sold to the common masses thanks to the movies.

I thought for sure she’d be back by now.

Cyborg has been on the League and hasn't been a Titan for almost ten years. Funny considering he joined the Titans in The Judas Contract movie. Even the producers thought he was better as a Titan.

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You're overthinking it. It's not because Samuel L. Jackson is cool it's because Avengers made a billion dollarydoos. Every dumb change in the last decade or so is due to Marvel's Quixotic quest to draw in the movie casuals not realizing the various reasons why that won't happen.

Ah, that makes sense. He is nutty as fuck but Neal gets fucking composition.

Aquaman basically did literally nothing from 2001 to the New 52.

If I recall correctly, there was a plot wherein San Diego sinks into the Pacific Ocean, and Arthur becomes basically a cop of the newly christened Sub Diego.

>Aparo
I swoon.

So I guess the bad guys just never attack during news hour?

except have a book that ran for 57 issues.
It rebranded at 45 as "Aquaman - The Sword of Atlantis" and featured a new Aquaman also named Arthur Curry.
Regular Aquaman got turned into a fish monster and was unceremoniously killed off.
The first half of the volume was most known for Rick Veitch doing the first 12 issues, and giving us the "Manta has autism" storyline.
Regular Arthur came back to life in Brightest Day

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Didnt Thanos also stay gone for like 20 some years ?

>Didn't Clone Saga last like fucking 9 years?
Two years. Ben showed up in October of 1994 and was killed off at the end of 1996. You can say that the prologue really starts with Lifetheft where Peter's returned parents are revealed to be robots and are destroyed which sends him into a mega-emo phase where he sees Peter Parker as weak and starts referring to himself simply as the Spider. That's early 1994 and about 6 months before Ben shows back up to kick off the Clone Saga.

As much as she's mocked for being the poster child for comic book 'deaths', Jean Grey has only actually 'died' twice, and both times actually stuck for a pretty long time: the first time from 1980 to 1986, and the second from 2003 to 2017.

Wait how did it effect DCAU?

>>Bruce becomes a slut when his kid leaves
That's "Hairy-Chested Love-God" to you.

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No clue. Maybe because Kara had the belly shirt costume that Linda had in the comics?

There gonna be back together soon for that sweet sweet MCU synergy. Wanda Vision is on its way

linda got that costume change after the TV show

DCAU Supergirl isn't related to Clark and isn't Kryptonian; she's instead from a planet close to Krypton that was destroyed when the shockwave from it's destruction sent it hurtling in to their red son.

How long did Cyclops' retirement last in between that?

This made me drop xmen as a kid. Looking back on it I'm not really sure why it got under my skin so badly but the "main" character cheating on his love interest pissed me off so fucking much as a kid

Wtf? I dont remember that at all. I'll have to rewatch those shows sometime soon

In the comics Kara was from Argo City which was a chunk of Krypton that survived the explosion thus she was a Kryptonian. That was supposed to be her origin in the DCAU as well but DC was so autistic about their "NO SUPERMAN IS THE ONLY KRYPTONIAN LEFT" edict that they were forced to change it with Argo being sister planet orbiting Rao (so Kara was an Argoan and not a Kryptonian) and Clark and Kara not actually being related.

Robin: SOn of Batman.

it was where he got Goliath and befriended Nobody II.

I think everyone prefers him on the titans, everyone except editorial
They should have gone with Vixen back in the new52 imo

>DC conceding the title to Marvel
That's some weak ass bullshit right there! DC should have rubbed that Marvel's face that they own the original Captain Marvel, and they should have used it for the marketing of the Shazam film.

>Shazam!
>Tagline: The original Captain Marvel, and the best!

Believe me it pissed me off too, especially the double love triangle with Jean in the middle of Cyclops, Jean, Logan, and Cyclops, Jean, Emma.

Whoops, that was for

Scott left the team in issue #138 in 1980. He appeared on-and-off in following issues, married Madelyne in #175 1983, and finally formally retired in #201 in 1986...and then joined X-Factor in the same year. His actual retirement lasted months at best.

Bullshit

>tfw bought that issue recently
It’s a good feel

Depends. He marries Maddy and retires in Uncanny 175 (1983) but comes back here and there. Nathan's born and he retires for good in Uncanny 201 (1986)... but the Jean retcon happens right after that so he leaves Maddy and joins up with the O5 as X-Factor in the same year. He's active but separate from the main X-Men team until the big reuniting of all the teams/Blue and Gold split happens in Mutant Genesis (1991).

So the answer? Not very long.

Based

How the fuck does Billy introduce his alter- ego to other people then?

>copyrights
Trademark. Stan trademarked "Captain Marvel" when Fawcett went under and didn't renew.

Nobody except contrarians. Literally zero fucks were given about her as a goofy looking british dork. She became a hot ninja and suddenly she's in games and cartoons and everything. It was such a good change that they hardly even mentioned a body swap had occurred.

He can say "Shazam" without transforming now

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Adrian Chase killed himself in 1988 and has stayed dead.

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How did they plant charges in the Twin Towers without it being more obvious?

Moon Knight had a run in the nineties where it was revealed that he, his long-lost twin brother and Frenchie were descendants of Knights Templar who had to battle a centuries-long conspiracy against two warring factions of demons. It was also by far Moon Knight's longest run at over 60 issues.

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So Spider-Gwen has a symbiote? Ive never touched a comic with her in it but that sort of thing is usually played up more

I am now and forever going to imagine all of Black Bolt's spoken text sounding like Jackie Gleason in my head.

>It rebranded at 45 as "Aquaman - The Sword of Atlantis" and featured a new Aquaman also named Arthur Curry.
>Regular Aquaman got turned into a fish monster and was unceremoniously killed off.
w-what? That sounds like Hawkman levels of stupid

Stop being antisemetic

No, they started out as implants in canon. Len Wein originally intended for the claws to just be part of the gloves but Jim Shooter nixed the idea and pointed out that if they were just in the gloves then any asshole could become Wolverine. Wein came up with them being part of his body from there.

She lost her powers ages ago and after some disastrous moments of being blackmailed by evil Matt Murdock for super-power pills, she got the symbiote which she eventually befriended after the obvious revenge rampage

The current Nightwing status quo definitely counts.

Absolutely no one likes, it's a fucking terrible idea and is bleeding sales, but DC is just keeping at it for some stupid reason.

>Moon Knight
>a Knights Templar
Khonshu and Egypt btfo

>Nobody except contrarians.
Wrong.
>Literally zero fucks were given about her
Why do idiots like you who probably weren't there have opinions like this?
> as a goofy looking british dork.
Oh, this is pretty shitty bait, son.

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Is that Spider-Gwen/ Ghost Spider?

>Moon Knight had a run in the nineties where it was revealed that he, his long-lost twin brother and Frenchie were descendants of Knights Templar who had to battle a centuries-long conspiracy against two warring factions of demons. It was also by far Moon Knight's longest run at over 60 issues.
I had an issue from that run, it involved him fighting Thor(and a couple other Avengers) and formally quitting the team(even if he hadn't been an active member of the team for years if I recall correctly)

Kurt Busiek wanted to do a swashbuckling story that was like King Arthur/Princess of Mars.
It pretty much flopped. A pretty good fantasy author took over (Tad Williams), but the book was doomed.
This squid guy was old Arthur. This is also the page he died on. He acted as Merlin to the new Aquaman

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The lead guy knew he had claws and even set it up so that one of the scientists would get attacked.

Sandman was a good guy for about 15 years until Byrneautism destroyed that. I keep wishing they'd go back and make him a hero but Marvel seems intent on him being the (rarely used at this point) tragic villain.

Vigilante isn't an excessively popular character and Adrian's suicide is the one thing the series is actually known for so I don't think they'll ever undo it.

Yeah. Now that her identity is public in her universe, she decided to enrol in a college in 616. But her universe’s own Jackal is secretly studying her and her symbiote for evil stuff

true, but it's also known for being the second (so close to second) book to shed the CCA.
It's pretty brutal for the time

>Absolutely no one likes, it's a fucking terrible idea and is bleeding sales, but DC is just keeping at it for some stupid reason.
The reason is that DiDio hates Nightwing because he thinks Dick being an adult ages Batman too much. It's why he hates legacies in general and also why he tried to kill off Dick in Infinite Crisis until he was talked out of it by Johns who had to substitute Kon in his place.

For all intents and purposes giving Dick amnesia and a new identity is his way of killing the character without actually killing him because the fans would riot if Dick died for real but like the carrot of "he'll go back to being himself" can always be dangled in front of them.

A lot of death examples, but here's another: Rita Farr's death stuck until Infinite Crisis in 2006. She was the only member of the original Doom Patrol who's death was explicitly confirmed in Morrison's Doom Patrol, and she was the only member of the original team whose death stuck for that period. Morrison confirmed in an interview that the reason he didn't bring her back was because her powerset didn't really come with any genuine drawbacks, and thus didn't really fit the theme of the team. That was rectified in Giffen's Doom Patrol run, where it was revealed that Rita actually basically became a sentient blob that has to concentrate to actually maintain a human form.

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Both of which are no longer referenced after Supersons ended because King needs to jack himself off on how edgy and damaged Bruce is and how only Selina can save him.

You've got some kind of retarded waifu thing, I get it, but no one lamented the loss of Brit-Betty at the time. Only you dinguses who came along years after the fact act like there was ever any value to her existence prior

Another funny snippet, but there was also a legal dispute between Marvel and DC during the release of The Incredibles over Marvel's use of the name 'Elastigirl', and they reached a compromise where Marvel had to refer to her as 'Mrs. Incredible' in all marketing and merchandise material. This was in 2004 and thus two years before she was actually brought back, mind you.

Byrne brought her back a little before Infinite Crisis when he rebooted the Doom Patrol. That run is widely disliked, but DC is putting out an omnibus of it later this year.
Johns used Infinite Crisis to bring the old continuity back, specifically the Morrison adventures (and some Kupperberg)

Weapon X came out in '91, and had nothing to do with his (what little there was of it) on-page canon origins (Wolvie first appeared in '74). The claws were always discussed and depicted as bionic implants.

>This was in 2004 and thus two years before she was actually brought back, mind you.
that's when she came back

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What's the point of having a power activation word if you can use it in regular conversation...

Peter Parker and MJ were married for 20 years

Also her symbiote is a weird combination of the pills she took to replicate her Spider-Powers and the Lizard formula that Harry used after Peter died

So it's not like your standard symbiote

>but no one lamented the loss of Brit-Betty at the time.
I did.
>Only you dinguses who came along years after the fact
I have been solidly reading the X-Men, in real time, at least since Giant-Size X-Men #1, and some smattering of issues before that.

>I have been solidly reading the X-Men, in real time, at least since Giant-Size X-Men #1
Of course you have, junior.

>Quesada: Man, Peter being married and having a stable job and showing progress is so boooooorrrrrinnnnggg! How can I rela..I mean kids relate to Peter now! We oughta return him to his roots! We gotta make him single.
>Alonso: Well, just have him and MJ get a divorce. Maybe all the superhero stuff is putting a strain on...
>Quesada: NO. That will send a bad message to kids! Can you imagine what (in a hushed whisper) the USA Today would say!
>Alonso:*sigh* Then how to we split them up?
>Quesada: We get Peter and MJ make a deal with the devil! Problem solved!
>Alonso:.....Straczynski's gonna love this...

>>Alonso: Well, just have him and MJ get a divorce.
Funny considering they were separated during JMS' run.

I just call it the dark age

Dark age was anytime after the 90s

>Lex Luthor unknowingly fucking Parasite shapeshifted into Lois Lane was canon for over 10 years.

It may be canon again. It’s pretty damn confusing what’s canon since Rebirth and the Superman Red/Blue fusion.

Scratchin' my head here, user; are you stupid, or just desperate? I wanna be charitable and say "desperate", but I'm sadly leaning to "Stupid, wait, no, *fucking* stupid".

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Remember that time Dum Dum Dugan used Pym Particles to shrink Godzilla so he could catch him?

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27 years.

fags

I hope you're right, but Marvel need to get them away from people like Brevoort, Waid and Zub to do that.

Weapon X set up the bone claws reveal by showing that the Weapon X people did not implant claws into Logan, and were shocked that he had claws.

This is the worst shit. They're making a What If tv show, yet the host of What If comics is dead thanks to the movies.

>That was never psylocke. She had zero character, she was just retconned good kwannon.
There was no Kwannon before then. She was literally created to explain where Psylocke's Asian body came from, then she died within a year of being introduced. Kwannon isn't a character people care about, she's the answer to a question nobody was asking.

He's not a character, he's a plot device.

Man, OG Nick Fury used to be one of my fav characters, I still hate this bullshit.

With the brief exception of the Clone Conspiracy, we haven't had "classic" Doctor Octopus since 2009.
Ock went from being a dying paraplegic with 8 tentacles, to Superior Spider-Man, to inhabiting the Living Brain, to briefly going to a clone of his original body, to being Superior Spider-Man again in a clone body based on Peter.

This.

Kwannon is a retcon character, Claremont's story made it super obvious that the new Psylocke was just Betsy with plastic surgery (Wolverine even recognizes her by her face)

Wait a damn minute:
>I recover from injuries so fast it's embarrassing. I haven't had a cold or food poisoning in years.

I thought it was a staple that spider-people didn't get healing factors?

Nothing in that suggests Johns didn't want to also bring back Wally. It only says Johns wanted Hal back more than Didio and while Barry was discarded to history, Hal had a fantastic run as Spectre, much better than any stories he's had since coming back to the Green Lantern corps.
Also, Didio is right
>Nothing against Kyle or Wally, but you can't know who they are without knowing who Hal and Barry are first.

Nah, Peter's had a lowkey but fairly solid healing factor for basically forever once writers realized they were having him recover from shit super fast.

They always seem to bounce back pretty quickly so I don't see why, but I feel like everyone and their mother who's not a baseline human in comics has some kind of tacked on minor healing factor.

He would still come back via time travel

Is Frenchie still dead btw?

>Yea Forums didn't know about this
>Yea Forums thought Bat Bunker / Garage was Nolan's idea
WTF

Yea Forums is full of clueless morons.

6 years isn't that long, not in comics.

>1970s comics
>Silver Age

He generally is. He's mostly a villain in the cartoons, outside of Beware

Yeah, the main Golden Age Two-Face was Sloane

im still mad they wasted robbies second chance sloppily trying to recreate the new fantastic four, any fucking monkey could have done that better. if nothing more than robbie laura miles and amadeus on a road trip having adventures

I really want original Doc Ock back. The new bodies have outworn their welcome.

I actually thought that was pretty cool. Instead of being subject to the usual cliches involving the word, it's the intent behind it that activates the magic. Makes a stronger connection to word-based magic in the DCU.

Well, putting it that way reminds me of the occult concept of commanding a demon by knowing its True Name. You can casually say the name, or you can SAY it with intent.
... I hope DC doesn't do anything like that

i never understood why they didnt keep the captain thunder name from flashpoint. sounds a whole lot better than shazam as a codename.

theres more than one watcher dude

We’re getting close

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I heard it kicked around as the “Post Modern” age

does pete getting marries kill aunt may as well?

No it doesn't.

I don’t know what you’re talking about anonymous, hulk mania constantly comes in waves and us hulkfans have to go through a waid run or two before getting the good stuff

You got it reversed senpai

Mostly the newfags that propagate here.

Yes it's the old Kon not New 52 Kon.

Remember when Superman wore that New 52 suit for half a decade?

I miss Brubaker alot, but some writers just have to move on in their careers...

How long did it take for tony to get up off his feet after being crippled and using remote control armor?

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Ackchually it lasted until '97 since they shoehorned the whole Scrier retardation into Silver Surfer's annual that year.

It’s kinda like how the original Dove Don Hall died on COIE and to my knowledge literally never came back even after his brother did I’m blackest night, his greatest superpower is staying dead

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Mar-Vell has been dead since the 70's. Doubt he'll be back.

Also, same with Ted Kord. I do miss that blue bastard every day, tho...

Uh, Ted Kord has been back for years. He was most recently in Heroes in Crisis.

I mean, yeah, but that was Nu52 and i refuse to accept anything from that shitwreck as being in continuity. My interest for DC comics died with New Earth.

Stuck around longer than I thought. Was good while it lasted too.

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wonder Woman using a sword and being the daughter of zeus

this

Once a status quo change is reflected in other media, that usually means that it will stick. All the casuals now know of Wonder Woman as the daughter of Zeus thanks to the movies and TV shows, and that's how it will stay.

>>Nothing against Kyle or Wally, but you can't know who they are without knowing who Hal and Barry are first.
So what? That means both can't stay dead? Just write some origin limited series to new readers who can't pick up a fucking old comic.

Are you retarded or just pretending?

Yep, she is ruined and an objectively a dead character

We don't have a good WW comic since Azzarello's run. And we won't have it for a long time.

SOON

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Azzarello ruined WW and it was shit, tho
WW died with flashpoint

but Uatu's the only one who gives a shit about Earth (in all dimensons)

Dude, Hal was only dead for 3 years if you count Spectre or 9 years when he got his physical body back. Not to mention the best GL stories are about Hal

then make him the white passing half asian twin

Why didn't people like Gargan? He was a more evil Venom and it wasn't like Eddie's stories were doing that great in the 2000s

The original, Vertigo version of John Constantine has been dead since 2013 only to be resurrected next month in new Hellblazer book.
(The one running around in the DCU is still the nu52, Nick Necro wannabe)

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Shut the fuck up faggot, you got btfo and you know it

What is it with female Spider-characters and losing powers/working out awkward replacements?

Like in No Man's Land?

no modern status quo has staying power.
And new movies are forgotten faster and faster.
never say never
also DC is dead since 2011

To be fair, I rarely see *anybody* here talk about 70s era DC comics whether it's Superman, Batman, or anything aside from people complaining about Wonder woman's poorly done 'update'.

Didn't they let Duggan get back to his body in Standoff?

they are not lasers. His eyes are a portal to different reality. He doesnt burn things but push them

How long has it been since Sinestro first wore the yellow ring?

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>infinite crisis
>forever evil
>kgbeast
Goddamn. He really hate him.
Funny that it's John that had to "save" Nightwing in the first two situation

Yeah it was alright. It was mostly a retread of the 2006 run with all the big crisis and reach stuff taken out and a few odd changes like the scarab being magic now. It also had ted kord alive as Jamie's mentor.

....que?
Is he a purple lantern or are they really going infrared/ultraviolet lanterns?

>Wonder woman's poorly done 'update'.
there are not poorly done WW updates?

The "WW loses all her powers and learns Judo" update was especially shitty, even by other standards.

a mongoloid direction is still better than a mongoloid lore rewriting

fuck i hated Flash Thompson venom

the most interesting Venom's ever been but Marvel had to listen to mindless Eddiefags who actually considered his shitty 90's solo's ''quality writing''

>He was a more evil Venom
That's exactly what people didn't like. We already have Carnage as the "more evil Venom", or at least we would have if Marvel hadn't killed off Carnage during most of Gargan's tenure.

I'm actually baffled this shit is new for people here.
Literal plebs.

In the current run, Billy is brainstorming names and trying to say "What about Captain Mar-" before veing interrupted.

...
So clever...

Maybe you're just a dumb newfag. O'Neil and Adams are two of the most famous people to work on Batman and Len Wein is someone Morrison has raved about.

He's tapped into ultraviolet and reverted back to his pre Sinestro Corp outfit.

I kinda wanna read it for posterity sake. But I'm probably gonna try and track down some actual Lobo comics first

Even then, it's an OG constantine from an aborted timeline

That other user is correct in saying no one gives a shit about white betsy.

>while also not offending people like the raceswap thing did.
Nobody got a offended though this was just tumblrina trash outrage.

I'm..... I'm genuinely shocked to hear that

O'Neil/Adams Batman definitely gets talked about. As does Hard Travellin Heroes. Maggin's Superman as well.

15 years is still pretty impressive for a batman character

I recently read the 1998 Martian Manhunter run by Ostrander and one of the things I loved about it was that it still had that extreme 90's art style, really noticable with some of the villains that show up but the writing itself wasnt XTREME at all

Actually the ultimate universe fury was made to look like Samuel L without his knowledge. Turns out sammy's a huge nerd who actually hangs out in comic books shops and saw his own fucking face on a cover and contacted marvel about it, which ultimately led to him getting the role in a bunch of movies that would go on to be hugely successful

That looks absolutely retarded, I love it.

I think they were just trying to modernize his job. Someone probably thought that newspapers would be going to of style and tried to move him into a more modern role without really thinking it through

That sounds fucking great, more Epic Collections when?

Maybe I'm just a retarded fanboy but I dont think I've ever disliked a Wondie outfit. It looks fine to me

I liked the idea of her, daughter of the New Gods to rival the daughter of the Old Gods
She just never ended up being all that interesting

Well Ostrander is a pretty exceptional writer.

everything in that poster looks horrible

>Copper/modern/post crisis= 1986+
Like many anons pointed before me, we are in another era after around the 2000's. Probably the most significative change was the introduction of "cinematic" panels in the storytelling by Davis/Hitch and the decompresive style by Bendis/Ellis et. all.

It was more a petty decition by Priest (who was the editor of Spidey) than anything. He wrote the comic that cause all the mess and derailed the Hobgoblin reveal.

Nah, Priest aknowledge that he was in the wrong and this was part of the things that cost him the position of editor in Spidey and losing the friendship with DeFalco.

Spider-Man Vs. Wolverine, right? That comic also had to be rewritten a lot because other editors strongly disagreed with Wolverine completely kicking Spider-Man's ass like in the original script because they rightfully argued that Spider-Man is way stronger, so Priest toned the Wolverine wanking down a bit.

I heartily enjoyed that story.

Dinah losing her canary cry in long bow hunters until dixon birds of prey.

Nope. Keep getting gangraped by the aliens that wanted vengeance from Karolina's alien race.

Classic post-camp batman is too damn good.

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Would Wondy being made of clay be accepted today?!

I think they can't have a character thad double dips in "diversity points". But yeah, she was a much better choice.

I don't care for you sir

Yeah a bunch of times.

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And he always looks gay~

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This. But also a big part of why the black costume is so cool is because its temporary, any cartoon or movie or game can have a shocking episode where it shows up and the kiddies go nuts

....golem?

Goddamn how is there still so much batshit I dont know about?

Yes, and more than Wolverine wanking i think Priest clearly enjoying being a contrarian and pissing ever person he consider a fanboy.

He is french, user.

Holy shit, I never realized how long some of these lasted. Good thread.

>Would Wondy being made of clay be accepted today?!
Is this a real question? In a comic book thread?
bro if you can't accept greek mythology 101 you are simply unable to read,comics, books and watch movies, maybe even breathig.
99% of comic book concepts is more outlandish.
woud Superman being an alien be accepted today?
also there is one clay origin in modern fiction and so many generic demigods. Do we still prize originality in the age of reboots, remakes and sequels?

Hmm, a well thought out response that might have possibly changed my mind. How unusual.
Although, wasn't Superman Red/Blue still going on? That was still a gimmicky 'Not your daddy's Superman' thing (unless it wasn't - I've never read most of it). X-Men still had The Twelve to come, Batman still had Legacy/Cataclysm/No Man's Land...

I did not know this happened.
Will JJJ end up being a newspaper editor again?

Kyle was boring and his comics were failing, like it or not Hal and Geoff Jones run saved GL from obscurity

There's a chance

I think part of the problem was that when Winick left GL to go write Green Arrow, Raab just tanked it by writing absolute schlock like Merayn leaving John (with a literal Dear John letter) and convincing Jade to cheat on Kyle leading to the bullshit wrapup that Marz had just before Rebirth happened. Threw away a lot of the development that Winick set up in his run and the only thing that actually stuck around from it was Amon Sur and that was a co-creation with Winick.

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Memes are strong.

Did it get properly unstuck, or did he just appear again completely out of nowhere?

All of the 1980s and a good chunk of the 70s.

She just came back from dying again TODAY, kek.

Something else people probably don't know about this run is that Harvey Bullock started showing up in the later parts of it and ends up becoming a spy during the formation of Checkmate.

Literally NEVER happened.

Which sucks cuz I honestly prefer him over marvel as a company

Didn't DC's Frankenstein: Agent of S.H.A.D.E get his name officially changed to Frankenstein because he was sick of correcting people? Was that just a weird fever dream I had

That's fine

Yes it did Quesada.

He made me realize that I never actually liked Eddie or Venom as a character and that I was just enamored with the design as a kid.
I just want Flash back.

The movies now have him as an Alex Jones stand-in, so probably not.

Shouldn't Lockjaw be obliterated by being that close to blackbolt when he yells like that?

Didio has done an amazing amount of damage but what you just described might be the worst affront to me personally

So edgy superman > edgy venom?

This is probably why I hate Emma so much even today, stupid home wrecking floozy

I think there was a period between the shutting down of Fawcett and the actual legal acquisition of the character where no one owned the copyright on the name. Marvel swooped in during that window and introduced a long line of Captain Marvels, each one worse then the one that came before in order to hold on to the copyright

Editorial is goofy sometimes

>bro if you can't accept greek mythology 101 you are simply unable to read,comics, books and watch movies, maybe even breathig.
You're talking to people that get triggered by rape.

He has to say it with "heroic intent" in order for it to activate but that's a somewhat recent thing if memory serves

It's not that often you see two male heroes with noticeably different builds, makes sense that billy would be fucking swole tho
Also I feel that those two could have been pals, being the two youngest members of the league

There are other heroes in metropolis user, a black dude in Ironman armor with a cool hammer, a dog who's about as strong as the hulk and a couple chicks who are even stronger still

B-but dick is a naughty word

-shot in #244
-quickly built an undersuit to keep walking.
-undersuit fucked his neevous system, killing him in 284 (2 ussues after debuting War Machine armour)
-Rhodes was Iron Man(again) from 285-289
-Stark revived, unable to walk, and used remote unit from 290-299.
-back walking and in armour in 300.

All told, he was out of the suit for 15 issues. Half that of the 1st time Rhodes took over from #170-199.

I constantly hear about didio being the worst and pushing all these awful ideas, but he must have done some good right? I'm sure didio has done some good for DC at some point

Dont care for that Robotman design no sir