How far could your favorite character get in Dragon Ball?

>Silver Surfer
He'd still be doing fine by the end of Super

Quite far, i'm sure he'll find a way to make himself stronger in order to keep up, still, he would lose to almost everyone since he's a shit fighter but still would kill somehow his enemies with the unintended effects of his dumb plans

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>irken empire vs freeza empire

who would win?

>End of super
Ehhhh I give him till Resurrection F at BEST

it would be just like when that human faggot tried to kick Cell while he was powering up, he just flew backwards due to the energy released

Whatever, throw petrification potion from a distance then.

You mean "all the way"

Given how the massive can move through a star and still remain mostly operative i'm not sure if frieza himself could destroy it at all.

Sonic would equal to Burter "THE FASTEST THING IN THE UNIVERSE". And probably tag-team against Final Frieza as Super Sonic.

When Imperfect Cell shows up, not even Super Sonic can take him on.

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Could he turn into a Saiyajin with the Dial H for Hero watch, though?

Easily solos.

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>*turns into this*

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He's gonna get his ass beet

I wouldn't say easily. If he still gets knocked around a bit by the likes of Mongul I'd say the heavy hitters of DBZ would still give him some trouble.

He loses to Buu

Doubt it, he wouldn't let Buu absorb anybody in the first place and even if he got Candy Beamed you can still fight in candy form if your power level is high enough apparently. Plus Supes has experience with super-stronk retards, he'd probably just introduce Buu to Bizarro and take them all out for ice cream

Goku doesn't even metabolize food. It just "turns into energy". The snake people tried to drug him early on in Z and he just ate all their drugged food.

does that mean he never poops?

>How far
obstructed view seating

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Could he get through this man? Also could any of your favorite characters get through his beam?

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What does his beam do?

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Kills you if you have ANY amount of evil in your heart.

Doctor Octopus would rule that universe with an iron but fair fist

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Billy Batson has got this. Dude is considered the purest soul in DC, even Neron thinks he’s purer than Superman

Not same user but when he means any amount, he means ANY amount.

Uncertain how he deals with El Hermano and Cell Dorado.

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He'd be killed by Tao Pai Pai

Reminder that if your character isn't a planet buster they aren't reaching Vegeta. Period.

People are wayyyyy underplaying the base strength of the Dragon Ball universe. Most inhumanly strong characters will probably hit a wall at Demon King Piccolo, and if your character is just an exceptionally strong human, chances are they won't get past the first tournament arc.

Wrecked by Tao
Wrecked by Radditz
Wrecked by maybe piccolo if he gets to use gadgets (but even then thats more reliant on toon power). More than likely wrecked by Tao
Wrecked by Radditz, if not Piccolo

Why is Goku so weak?

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Ben could have just transformed into one of frieza's race and curb stonped Radditz

You are underplaying the strength of the rest of the Red Ribbon Army. I don't think Doc Oc could even get past General Blue

Raven can litterally destory an entire dimmention in seconds.

Freeza is an outlier of his race, in a 2014 interview Toriyama revealed he and his father are canonically mutants with unreal amounts of power for their collective species. Ben transforming into Freeza's race isn't a guarantee he'll get Freeza's power

Frieza is freakishly strong for his race. There is a reason he's the emperor over even his own father

Keep in mind that Ben turns into the genetically optimal version of whatever species he becomes.

Obviously not canon, and kinda a tangent, but there was a fan comic that had the reveal Friezas mother was a Kai. I always liked that idea so much I kept it as my head canon

He could probably talk no jutsu his way up to Demon Piccolo. Kinda ironic since piccolos reincarnation ends up getting redeemed, but there is no way Steven has the balls (or honestly even the strength) to beat Piccolo Sr into the pulp required to get him to that point

the OG DB has tons of magic stuff

How many people in either Marvel or DC are capable of planet busting in total? Off the top of my head...
>DC
Superman
Wonder-Woman
Green Lantern
Martian Manhunter
Flash
Captain Marvel
Zatanna
Raven
>Marvel
Thor
Hulk
Silver Surfer
Nova
Captain Marvel (full Binary)
Phoenix

I'm sure there's a lot more, I've intentionally left out obvious cosmic super-beings like Galactus or Darkseid who could and focused more on more mortal beings capable of doing it, any other obvious entries?

Maybe he would do a fun enemy in the original dragon ball but in Z he would be dead in no time

Fate and Strange, Captain Atom and Sentry, to name a few.

Does that account for mutations? Like for example if Ben had the DNA for Marvel humans in his watch, would he turn into an Omega-Level mutant?

>freeza can blow planets with his finger
>irken empire is too lazy to move
Freeza

Sure but there is "genetically optimal" and then there is a freak of nature

The entire empire vs Frieza? Probably the Irkens. If Frieza has his army he's winning hands down. Honestly the Ginyu Force is probably all the backup he needs

He probably stops at like end of Z maybe a little after that.
Let's just say there are alot of characters who could just nuke a Planet if they really wanted to.

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Based

>Stops at the end of Z
No fucking way he's taking on Cell, let alone Majin fucking Buu.
I'm not sure he could handle final form Frieza

He would destroy them all

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The only reason why Zim is alive is because the human race in the show are equally or more inept than him. DB DBZ DBSuper is filled with guys who want to get the shit done and quick, Zim would get kill by king Piccolo

Zim would get killed by some Red Ribbon Army grunts

Comic relief characters are as close as invincible as you can get in Dragon Ball. They just don't win fights, not unless it's for comedic value.

He could probably talk no jutsu his way up to Demon Piccolo. Kinda ironic since piccolos reincarnation ends up getting redeemed, but there is no way Steven has the balls (or honestly even the strength) to beat Piccolo Sr into the pulp required to get him to that point

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SU needs a king Piccolo, someone just evil who wants to be on the top forever and you need to slap his shit into a grave

>"Ah, almighty Tallest. Always a pleasure doing business. You might be interested to know I've recently acquired the planet Snackfoodia, renowned throughout the galaxy for their salty and scrumptious delicacies harvested from within the Dorito Mines and the Great Cola Lakes. Perhaps we could arrange another trade deal as we have in the past, I do know how much you prefer your motherships' vending machines stocked and full."

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Black Bolt could probably handle Final Form Frieza thanks to shit like his electron & Energy Manipulation. Depending on how he is feeling that day his voice could problem kill Cell or Buu if he shouted loud enough like how it push back an amped asf Galactus and in the King Thanos arc it's show to be able to kill Celestials but I will agree doubt he could really beat Buu.

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He'll find away. The foul doctor might even make better androids than Gero

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trivial

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If this was OG Steven I'd agree with you, but I think Teen Steven has got the feats to carry him all the way through original series DB. He was able to lift up that giant fucking injector while his powers were almost completely gone, we have yet to see what his upper limit is in terms of raw power. That and he is willing to use force if he has to, he just doesn't treat it as a first option, it's "I don't want to fight" not "I won't fight"

>Can reliably lift up to 10 tons if he really puts his back into it
>Fast enough to tag Quicksilver and dodge bullets
I can definitely see him making it through DB, end-game involves being impressed at fighting while wearing 100kg of weighted clothes, which to Peter would barely register. Could also see him taking on Raditz. POSSIBLY the other Saiyans though Vegeta is really pushing it.

He doesn't have a prayer of making it past the Ginyus.

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Absolute fucking pipe dream. No WAY he's beating Radditz

steven is a pussy and he'll just wet his pants if theres a real threat

>G-guys did I get that right. Did I meme right???

Raditz couldn't break out of a full-nelson from Goku who, upon arriving on King Kai's planet, was struggling hard against the 10x normal gravity which with weighted clothes on (1670 kg). Spider-man can lift 2000 kg cars with relative ease, so I could easily see him taking on Raditz.

I could see Pete putting up a good fight, but Raditz has flight, ki attacks and if need be a crazed Oozaru form if exposed to a full moon.

He'd have to pull that stunt he used against Firelord to take him out as quickly as possible.

All the way

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Not to my knowledge no

He'd basically be Arale 2.0. An unstoppable combination of naivete and toonforce.

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Fair enough but Spider-man deals with fliers and energy-blasters in his villains' roster all the time. No one with the benefits of Raditz' sheer strength/speed but still nothing he hasn't had experience with. Oozaru is tricky but as we've seen with Vegeta it has its own disadvantages in making you a bigger target.

Vegeta is what I see as the hardest hurdle for Spider-man to leap going off the same measure: by the end of the King Kai training Goku no longer registers 1670 kg as being difficult to lift at all, he's acclimated to it. Spider-man can lift and throw cars and even use them as melee weapons but it's difficult to say how casual it is for him to run or fight while carrying one. And Vegeta can outmaneuver that same Goku twice over. If Spider-man can beat Vegeta it's by the slimmest of margins.

Fire-Lord levels of desperation is what I see Peter resorting to to take down someone like Freeza.

The Saiyans would want to mate with her

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By pure determination, he will kill Goku!!!!

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Golden Sonic is literally super Saiyan, kek

>he doesn't know

youtube.com/watch?v=myqkUxCHI4A

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so seeing as how dragon ball has its own multiverse as well as dc, doesnt that mean that technically, out there in AT LEAST ONE of those universes, superman exists and vice versa?
and if so, wouldnt these gods of destruction have heard of him?
im not really big on dragonball lore
pic sort of related

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DBZ actually has a pretty small Multiverse with only 12 universes, and we’ve seen the strongest warriors in the Tournament of Power, and none of them were really Superman-like.

>none of them were really Superman-like.
Am I a joke to you?

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Dragon Ball actually has its own specific set of multiverse rules. There is a very finite number of universes and none of them have Superman

One has Jiren though which is pretty much the Superman of the DBZ universe

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>Ben
He dabs on Frieza/Cel/Buu and drink smoothies with Beerus

He’s a strong alien, that’s not very Superman, he was a real asshole about friends. Superman loves his friends and family, he remembers their birthdays.

There's also different time-lines that branch off as well.

I mean, dude can still hang out in the vacuum of space, go many times FTL, and create singularities. It took Goku and Jiren pushing a Spirit Bomb super hard to form a singularity.

Sure but those aren't technically canon

yeah but wouldnt at least ONE of these so called "GODS" have heard that their might be more universes out their than just the shit that their confined to?

OR if Im REALLY streching here (which i probably am) perhaps thesE "GODS" do have knowledge of other universes (hell one that might even have supes in it) but instead choose not to tell the inhabitants of their worlds out of fear that they might fuck with something/entity that they have no chance in winning against
eh? eh? somethin to think about
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>Am I a joke to you?
Do you really want people answering that question?

There were more but Grand Zeno erased them

>Marvel and DC are forced to participate in the Tournament of Power
Who would they get for their respective teams if given the same 40 hour time-limit to put one together?

Well the ToP doesn’t allow weapons but it does allow items that aren’t weapons on their own. Personally I say the Flash is a shoo-in, along with Wonder Woman,

What are the rules for participants?

no weapons(unless it's directly used as a weapon like the mafuba bottles), no killing, only ringouts are valid, and potara fusion is allowed

oh, and only winged fighters are allowed to fly

>no weapons(unless it's directly used as a weapon like the mafuba bottles)
No weapons unless they’re directly used as weapons?

>indirectly

fixed

Okay, that rules out Hal, his ring is a weapon, what about Doctor Fate? He just uses an item.

and apparently power armor is allowed too

and gods aren't allowed into the tournament unless they enter as a mortal, so you could probably have Thor entering the arena as Donald Blake and then changing into Thor

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>arrive
>realize there's no cervixes to demolish
>fuck goku and cell instead
All the way to home plate

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Can Galactus fight? He’s not a god. And the Spectre is just an agent of God, what about him?

Let's say the X-Men is invited
I think the most powerful team we had recently was the Extinction team, right?

I think they could do pretty well how would they stop Colossus Juggernaut, Storm, Namor, Magik, Cyke, Emma mind raping people...

>how about you go do that glowing screaming shit somewhere else, eh?
>tryna watch the game here

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>no killing
What if you committed suicide by competitor? Would that disqualify whoever killed you? Because I could see that as an ending if the ToP was a Marvel/DC event.

the Grand Priest states that self-destruction does not disqualify anyone other than whoever killed himself

Any other specifics?

Easily, and it would turn into Goku to boot

If composited, he makes it all the way to Buu (maybe even further depending on how certain comic feats are interpreted). If not, the answer varies for each version.

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the only one I can remember is that if the winner wishes for anything other than the restoration of the erased universes Zeno will erase everything

Based

Does his Kamehameha smell like shit?

Can they get Galactus or somebody?

>Batman purposefully gets himself eliminated to stop the tournament from the outside.
Make it happen.

Does it bother anyone else that "kill you!" Man is physically stronger than Goku before the buu arc? 40 tons compared to throwing a goddamn tree across the horizon. Powerlevel are bullshit indeed.

maybe the grand kai planet gravity is so high that 40 tons there is much more than it is on earth

Ben Tennyson
Powerwanked Alien X is extremely boring so I am leaving him out entirely.
Young Ben would definitely get through Dragon Ball
Teen Ben would have a difficult time past the Saiyan Saga but he could pull it off till Buu
The most Galaxy Brain move Ben could use is not to copy a villain or turn into a Saiyan, it's to use Upgrade on an Android

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No gods or high conceptual / dimensional beings, it's meant to be played by mortals (Thor could probably skirt the lines by not yet being Allfather like Odin yet). So Galactus, Darkseid, Eternal Tribunal, Specture, the real cosmic players are out.

THE SPOT BEATS ALL!

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Tao's pillar feat is a real outlier among feats. The force needed to throw that marble column as far as he did, as fast as he did, would require the same amount of force needed to life 400,000 tons.

And they weren't even at Daimyo Piccolo yet

Alright for DC, I would say Diana, Martian Manhunter, Shazam, Captain Atom, Firestorm, not sure if ToP has a yellow sun so no clue about Superman. Unless he wears some sort of suit.

I've been reading Kinnikuman and I wonder if it's coincidental the resemblance these two fighters have with The Spot

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the tournament takes place in a zone of pure void

>till would kill somehow his enemies with the unintended effects of his dumb plans
EXACTLY this, I was thinking Zim too. Zim winning way too much for his own good would get him very far in the series simply for the joke. He would obviously end up losing though through his own idiocy, or end the series on noncanon notes like everyone turns into muffins or something.

Okay, no Clark. Unless he wears something like Superboy Prime wears.

Oh boy I finally found someone on Yea Forums who also reads Kinnikuman. Coincidentally Black Hole is my favourite fighter.

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when I finished the perfect chojin arc I was so mad because it's everything DBS should have been since day 1 if Toei wasn't run by greedy kikes and Toryiama wasn't a lazy hack.

>story entirely made by the original author instead of being based on a loose draft made by Toriyama and then adapted by a bunch of no-name ghost writers
>worldbulding expands based on concepts established on the original run that were never fleshed out(the perfect chojin faction and the omega centauri) instead of taking 11 universes out of it's ass and doing barely nothing with then outside of a single arc
>the titular character only fights twice in the new arc giving secondary characters a chance to shine

The only reason why I don't recommend Kinnikuman to most people is because the gag manga beginning aged like milk and there's a lot of foul potty humor that I'll never understand why japs find funny.

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Mr. Punch your gods

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How could you forget best boy?

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He is going to stay relevant at least until z

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Not sure how he fares against energy attacks.

Like I get he is physically basically invulnerable since he is peak rubber-man-physics but can he handle getting galick-gunned or something like that.

Give him 30 minutes in a shop with Restock, Chaos and Two Steam Sales and everyone fucking dies.

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Not super familiar with this guy, isn't he basically Nano-machine yolked? I can't imagine him making it too far since he is maybe a step above Android 8, a big guy with mechanical buffs. Don't think he is on par with the Android 13+ series since those guys are a massive leap in strength.

Considering he manages to tackle a highly trained cyber-assassin until the guy gets a worthwhile weapon I'd wager he makes it to Mercenary Tao but not to CyberMecenary. Don't really expect him to handle King Piccolo but hold his own well enough against the guys minions like Tamborine.

Evil containment wave straight into the chest.

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You are all completely underestimating how fucking OP the average DB character is
Guys like Spiderman get picked off by mid difficulty fighters in the first world tournament. Remember when Goku was fighting so damn fast they had to stop the match and have him tell the announcer what just happened because nobodies eyes could see them? Absolutely no fucking chance of beating anyone from Tenshinhan and onwards, and even that’s pushing it
Ben’s Alien powers come from pure physical prowess, if he can’t use Ki(which he can’t) he’s not touching anyone after the first world tournament

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The watch makes the the pinnacle of the alien species he transform, He would become Broly.

Theoretically, Ben could become a stronger Jiren.

>Guys like Spiderman get picked off by mid difficulty fighters in the first world tournament. Remember when Goku was fighting so damn fast they had to stop the match and have him tell the announcer what just happened because nobodies eyes could see them?
When he's really moving Spider-man is described as a blur to the eyes, and he's scored hits on Quicksilver who's way faster than any fighter pre-Z. Spider-Sense covers the rest. He's objectively stronger than anyone before King Kai's high-gravity planet.

Spider-Man could easily make it through Dragonball at least. The earliest thing I can see taking him out is Saiyan-Saga Vegeta.

How far would Sailor Moon get in the DBZ verse

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Yes

mid dragonball at most.

Tons of people.
JSA alone has Spectre, Fate, Alan, and Obsidian. Jakeem probably could but he'll never stop being a dumb teenager.

End-game Sailor Moon is universe tier. She at least pulls her weight through Super (that is, DBS not SSM)

>Kiseki no Gyakuten Fighter intensifies

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Probably.

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Sailor Moon is fucking RIDICULOUS in the manga. She'd probably tear through them all like wet tissue paper.

Depends on where she is in her show, if she was end of series Moon she could stomps beerus if beginning or mid, not even close.

*Probably without much difficulty.

Funny enough the Ultimatrix is much more Suited for DBZ than the Omnitrix
Scanning a Saiyan and Going Ultimate would be training on an entirely different level since it puts your DNA through several centuries of fighting in a and dangerous hostile environment, it gave Humungosaur more strength, spiked armor plating and bone missiles, Gave Big Chill plasma so hot it eats all the energy in the vicinity and instantly freezes anything it touches
Saiyans are very straight forward so a fuckton of zenkai boosts and S-cells from all the fighting would end up with something similar to Super Saiyan 4 or Broly

Spinached Popeye can destroy everyone in the DBZ universe. Prove me wrong

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Arale

Popeye still wins.

Piccolo jr would turn him inside out, and even if he couldn't Raditz would.

>mfw base post-God form Goku who is trillions of times stronger than Radditz could be scratched by bullets.

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here's your 40th anniversary present brah

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They're about equal

not far at all

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Taurus.

Honestly I think Hank Pym would be a great foil for Bulma. He’s got all the inventions of Capsule Corp but with the insane level of mad science of Dr Who. It’d be neat...I wonder who his waifu would be? I could honestly see him taking Vegeta’s place as Bulma’s wife if they aren’t too much of rivals

Tons in both camps
DC
>Supes
>Every main GL
>Wonder Woman
>Shazam
>Orion
>Fate
>Captain Atom
>The Flash (via Infinite Mass Punch)
>Martian Manhunter
>Swamp Thing (Even though he wouldn't want to)
>Constantine
>Zatanna
>Lobo

Marvel
>Hulk
>Thor
>Beta Ray
>Gladiator
>Hyperion
>Sentry
>Blue Marvel
>Silver Surfer
>Nova
>Black Bolt

But you're going to need to be able to at least scaletl to multi galaxy bust if you even hope to make it to the beginning of Super.

So who there wouldn't make it?

Isaac with any powerup combination of significance fucking massacres Dragonball. Using him is basically cheating.

Spider-man is at minimum stronger than Goku at the beginning of Z. He has a much easier time lifting 2-ton cars than Goku does lifting his

I reckon she'd fare pretty well. Probably get to Frieza at least.

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Yes but not a good one, a standard walks into a bar joke.

>Supes
I think he can make it to end of Super.
>Every main GL
Every GL besides Hal gets stomped. Hal scales to universal. He could possibly make to the end of Super with his hax.
>Wonder Woman
Scales to Superman. So she could make it. Also is proven to be faster in combat than any DB character showing.
>Shazam
Scales to Superman in almost everything. They are literally stated to be equal. So he could make it.
>Orion
Scales beyond Superman.
>Fate
Nabu scales way beyond anyone in this list.
>Captain Atom
Snaps the DBZ universe from existence.
>The Flash (via Infinite Mass Punch)
Flash at his maximum destroys everyone in DB in an instant. Buf casual Flash doesn't have the power to take anyone past Freiza saga down. The only thing that could save him is his speed.
>Martian Manhunter
Scales to Superman in almost everything. And has a plethora of hax up his sleeve.
>Swamp Thing (Even though he wouldn't want to)
>Constantine
Doesn't have the power, but has the hax.
>Zatanna
Gets bodied.
>Lobo
Scales to Superman if not greater.

I like the Spider-man vs Goku argument more than the Superman vs Goku argument. A lot more. There's more objective / realistic feat comparison and scaling, everyone seems to agree no matter what Spidey isn't a match for Super-Saiyan so it's mostly leaving out all the power-level multiplier bullshit (even Kaioken hasn't been brought up that much) and frankly arguing whether Spider-man is mid-DB tier or beginning-Z tier is a lot more interesting than arguing which god-like entity can punch through the most multiverses.

If user doesn't understand the comedy of a dude who's a toilet wrestling a dude who's a butthole, he's uncultured swine.

Zatanna's raw ability with magic basically makes anyone in Dragonball look like a bunch of whining babies. She could easily hold her own.

Doesn’t Zatanna have to speak? That seriously hurts her when she can get punched out on the first syllable

>Hulk
Only one version of the Hulk can make it to Super and that's the recent Immortal Hulk. But he doesn't have the Speed to keep up.
>Thor
Only Odin Force Thor. Casual or even Warriors Madness Thor gets bodied if he tries to face anyone post-Buu arc.
>Beta Ray
Look at Thor.
>Gladiator
Same result.
>Hyperion
Same result. King Hyperion can hang though.
>Sentry
Depends on his state of mind but mainly wins via his hax. I know his hax at least scales to Molecule Man and he even beat him when they fought and Molecule Man can destory universes.
>Blue Marvel
Eh. Not really sure but he can definitely destory a planet. But I'm more inclined to say he can make it to Super.
>Silver Surfer
Full Power Cosmic Surfer solos.
>Nova
Nah.
>Black Bolt
Weakest link. Not a factor.

dude, I legitimately love this series but not even I can defend shit like

>Kinnikuman released himself from a hold by farting on his opponent's face so funneh XDDDD

Classic Thor could, he had a bunch of hax in addition to his strength,

pretty far

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>dies to farmer with a shotgun

>Ed
>Rolf
>Kevin
>Sarah
>May
>Lee
>Marie
>Boomerang Jimmy
>Captain Melonhead
>Eddy's brother

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>Martian Manhunter
>Scales to Superman in almost everything. And has a plethora of hax up his sleeve
Somehow I think he'd do worse than Superman/Billy despite having the better powerset. Like he'll just crumble the moment Babadi hits him with mind hax

MM only jobs when he's part of a team. Otherwise he's an unstoppable force. During the start of the New 52 they just allowed him to not be a jobber. So MM was soloing the entire JL and mind erased a room of GLs after he was done working with them.

youtu.be/7XvPBWUeG-U
But there's very clearly some sort of star-like object shown in the void when Goku is about to transform.

I think it's just some visual gimmick made by the Grand Priest to make the tournament more enjoyable for Zeno, they say the arena takes place in the void between the universes.

Oh, like the Bleed in DC?

It doesn't even matter because Superman can fight at a high level for days before running low on energy. And the tournament is only 45 minutes long. Don't ask how but it is.

And can’t one of their scientists whip up an artificial yellow sun?

How far would /ourguy/ get? Hater's casual planet buster when he's on task, and there wouldn't be a Wander around to trigger his autism.

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I don't know where he ends but I would love to see how he gets there.

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Literally unkillable and on par with Superman. But crazy. It's like Jiren with Buu's regeneration powers and evil alter ego that's even more dangerous.

How are the mental defenses in DBZ?

Yeah, I probably should have pulled Sentry and not Void. Evil's no fun. I'd love to see how Bobert does as a Z-Fighter :)

Horrible. Magic is also broken and time travel is so ridiculous that it's forbidden for even the gods to use and it resulted in there being a copy of Zeno which is considered the strongest being in existence.

I think it's pretty high since the few psychic fighters like Guldo and Chaotzu are complete jobbers

How bad would things get if say, someone like Eobard Thawne showed up to wreck shit?

Hakai can erase gag characters so beerus stomps

Knowing nothing about DC, very bad.

Trunks used time travel to go back in time and get help and caused a time paradox loop that ended up causing the threat that he went back in time to get help against. Thawne could do whatever he wanted and even dying won't stop him. Booster would end the DB multiverse by accident.

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I love how the Dr. Slump ghost gave us this actual feat of toon-force destroying glory.

Magic exists though, that rabbit guy from DB could just turn him into a carrot

>beerus powers up
>can of spinach rolls into popeye's mouth
>cue the tune as he opens the can in some convoluted way and eats the spinach
>springs to his feet immediately as beerus uses his hakai
>popeye winds up and punches it back into beerus
>beerus explodes and a pet shop falls from the sky in his place

very far

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Alternatively
>Beerus gets turned into a new kitten for Olive

>>springs to his feet immediately as beerus uses his hakai
>popeye winds up and punches it back into beerus
There's no "punching back" a hakai he just puts hi hand up and erases him.

Hakai BTFOs out of gag characters and toonforcefags which is ironic considering DB started off as more or less as a gag manga but whatever

Have any DB gag characters punched out Toriyama?

no but goku did break a manga panel before

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Not good enough. Even Gwenpool can do it.

>erases universe with Alien X

and she jobs to hakai too

>Implying Failure X can do anything

Depends on who's writing it? If Thanoswank is in full effect, he'll devise some sort of grand strat to steal the Super Dragon Balls and wish himself into omnipotence. If not, he'll probably attempt to do the above, but will get stomped by a GoD or Angel beforehand

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She just gets Bendis to retcon it as a new ability she has

Popeye punched Bluto so hard he separated his outline from his body. Popeye turns his enemies into shops. He gives his enemies such bad PTSD they either go crazy or revert to overgrown babies and cry while in cribs that appear out of nowhere. Popeye could also give the hakai a stink eye and scare it off so that runs away yelping like a dog.

Depends on the Thanos. Starlin Thanos ends up orchestrating the death of the Zenos and takes their power for himself before giving up the power somehow due to his hubris or subconscious desire to lose.

>bendis
>touching anything DB related
not a chance
Beerus is immune to gag shit

Stomachache

>Beerus is immune to gag shit
What are you talking about? He's the one that gets beat down in comedic situations the most. Bulma yells at him and he gets stuck babysitting. His threat level dropped significantly at the end of the U6 arc when the Zenos appeared and neutered Beerus and Champa's threatening leverage over the mortals.

that wasn't a gag, Goku literally said to Arale (another gag character) "that stuff doesn't work on Beerus-sama, he'll destroy you". He's immune to toonshit.
>Bulma yells at him and he gets stuck babysitting.
That's not him jobbing to anything gag-related just him being a bitch

>that wasn't a gag, Goku literally said to Arale (another gag character) "that stuff doesn't work on Beerus-sama, he'll destroy you". He's immune to toonshit.
Ah yes sage advice from Goku in a show with poorly defined powers that butchers logic and physics even worse than comics.
>That's not him jobbing to anything gag-related just him being a bitch
You're doing a really bad job of standing up for Beerus.

>Ah yes sage advice from Goku in a show with poorly defined powers that butchers logic and physics even worse than comics.
Beerus literally ever lost to a gag character though and was literally about to erase Arale. The fuck are you saying
>You're doing a really bad job of standing up for Beerus.
He's been reduced to poor comedic relief but that doesn't mean he's a jobber. The show made it pretty damn clear toonshit has no effect on Beerus

Before he got a tummy ache and gave up. And considering this is the guy who tanks planet busting attacks, I’m pretty sure it was a gag.

He lost to a stomach ache though. The goal was to make him a meal so good that he wouldn't want to fight. Instead he loses to the meal being too much for his stomach and he has to retreat so he can shit his pants in peace. The comedic and unforeseen consequence is a standard cartoon ending.

But why would Sucy want to kill Goku? They're both good guys

Buu arc shows high power levels let you continue to fight even if transformed into an inanimate object.

Does it or does it just show Vegito doing whatever he wants, hell, we can say power level is just a measure of Ki and that Superman is weaker than Farmer with a shotgun because it's a different universe

Well sure, you can do that, but at that point you've thrown out any point of comparison and you can just as easily say Lois Lane solos Jiren because lmao different universes.

Realistically he'd probably make it as an independent threat till the frieza saga and might even be able to kick the shit out of Vegeta at hat point a few times. Plus he actually has an army unlike most of the DBZ villains. After Cell he either becomes an ally or gets killed.

Stops somewhere between DB and DBZ? His final powers are ridiculous, but DBZ has too many people who can just glass the planet at a distance

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Have y’all brought up the Time Trapper? Can’t blame you if you haven’t when it’s not even clear what it is.

Or Darkseid. Darkseid is a weird case where it varies from author to author how much control he has over time: One story he can outright distort it at will to accelerate some peon’s growth or freeze space-time around Ares. One story claims all New Gods can easily move through time. One story has him CREATING people who can reverse time, like Takion’s counterpart Stayne. One story has him building a machine that, by ripping him out of his own timeline, fucking wrecks it because of how important he was to that timeline. The point is nobody can seem to decide how time shenanigans work for Darkseid, other than “yes they do”. Say what you like about Morrison’s Darkseid but the idea they’re all ideas of a bigger idea goes some way to explaining the consistency.

I mean
Doesn’t Multiversity, all the vs 5D Imp battles and Milk Wars stand as testament that DC can win against gag characters? Fuck since Hanna-Barbara does shit like having the Mystery Gang meet Sinestro and Wonder Woman team up with the Tasmanian Devil isn’t it technically accurate to say DC IS stealth toon force because of hypertime?

Spongebob got this
not even Plankton or Flying Dutchman can handle the sick hallow fantasy that infests his heart and mind

You'd need the literal power of bullshit in order to beat Superman at his most powerful

>Long ago there was a mighty-but-compassionate warrior. His power was beyond measure, yet many foolish upstarts tried to destroy him, in hopes of making a name for themselves. They were all unsuccessful, until one day, the Devilman appeared. Knowing he could not compete against the warrior's strength, the Devilman attacked using his mind. He discovered he could exploit his opponent's negative thoughts, no matter how faint, and convert them into an energy beam of immense power, the Devilmite Beam. It amplified any dark thought, anger, malice, aggression and caused it to expand until his opponent's heart, literally exploded! It was the death of a great hero, and the birth of an even greater evil

dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Devilmite_Beam

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Not very far and then it's turn into DragonMoon X

Meh, Superman could tank it

What kind of bullshit we talking here?

Unstoppable

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Regardless of what level of power a character has, most of them are still bound by script, therefore even fictional omnipotents can still be beaten through creative bullshit, the illogical defying the logic in the illogical . Like for example, if I write a character called 50/50 Man whose power was to automatically win or lose the fight based on reader choice, then there's a 50/50 chance that he'll win.

Why are there so few schemers in Dragon Ball?

It’s mainly focused on strength, both inner and outer, as is shonen. A Lex Luthor would be interesting but may not fit the overall theme.

Toriyama wanted to write intricate schemes and subterfuge but he was afraid people would accuse him of ripping off HxH so it's just dudes punching each other

>Frieza Empire
Random fodder can blow up moons, has laser weapons that can blow up planets (Saiyans far stronger than Roshi use laser guns against enemies stronger than them), Spacepods can traverse from galaxy to galaxy in under a year and has become much much faster since then (can traverse from Vampa to Earth in under an hour or Earth to Namek to Yardrat in a matter of days).

Overall, Frieza's army has extremely powerful weaponry, soldiers and absurdly fast spaceflight. Their communications are also topnotch considering they can locate things on a planetary-scale, communicate across entire galaxies instantly and analyse data.

The Irken Empire has a lot of meme technologies but most of their technology is...questionable (Their mechs have to be plugged in whereas any Frieza mook can devastate entire worlds in under an hour easily). At the same time, their capital fleet can fuck planets apart.

You also have to question shit like which era of the Frieza Empire. Is it Modern? Then Frieza easily stomps the Irken Empire due to its vastly advanced technologies and Frieza's own retarded power. Is it Pre-Namek? Then the Irkens have a shot at this.

Overall, I give the win to Zim.

Babidi is kinda the only one and he's executed perfectly because of it.
Schemers in dragon Ball really only exist to subvert the "limitless power" trope.

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Like this current guy in the manga who just turns off Goku and Vegeta’s Ki

Really that's why they are so intimidating

Goku lifted a vehicle in the first episode with little difficulty.

solos Goku by stealing his heart medication as punishment for endangering earth with his autistic pissing contests

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Can’t he just get more at like a pharmacy?

>Piccolo
Busts a moon with a laser that reaches it in mere moments
>Spider-Man
Can dodge lasers via Spider-Sense hax and can't even bust a building.
>BUT MUH LIFTING STREEEEENGTH

>"X hero can actually distort reality and destroy and recreate universes!"
>struggles to defeat street level villains to sell funny papers with cliffhangers

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>physically attacks the heart
Most likely does nothing to Superman. Even if he was a candidate for the beam to work, there's no reason he wouldn't dodge it.

That didn't work out so well the last time.

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The pharmacy only carries grape flavor.

No way in hell Peter lasts five seconds against Frieza

So this is why Soldier has never been nerfed.

You're right. The author said the beam would be lethal to later villains (who were durable enough to survive planet-busting), but they'd just dodge it since the beam is also fairly slow

this is 65 tons, Goku lifts .8 tons when he first shows up assuming a capsule corp car weighs as much as a VW Bug

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>All these people causally saying X would make it up to Buu
You're all super underselling how bullshit Cell really is.
On top of the fact you have to be a physical match for him. Just killing him wont work so eventually he just wins by attrition.
Not only can he regenerate from one cell he also gets the saijin power boost when he regenerates.

Unless you have an attack that can completely atomise him or throw him into the sun you will eventually lose and the more he fights he has the capacity to become infinitely strong.

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There's actually a difference when it comes to his regeneration depending on which version you go with. Original Japanese version has a specific cell that has to survive in order for him to regenerate. You'll see it when he talks about his regeneration after blowing up King Kai's planet and then you see it actually get destroyed when Gohan kills him. This creates the plot hole of when Goku blows off Cell's top as the regenerating cell should be in Cell's head. The English dub changes it to any cell can regenerate. Either way, completely destroying Cell is the way to get rid of him. And he is potentially the most powerful but we'll likely never see him again for a number of reasons, from being the least popular villain in Japan to being a pain to draw because of the spots. If he does come back he should be able to go gold and could cheat out a god form as well.

You're forgetting how many characters are super science heroes. if the DBZ team wasn't a bunch of punch drunk hillbillies they'd just poison his ass and be done with it, his healing ability comes from Piccolo if you can poison Piccolo you can poison Cell.

I thought they reworded it into the Wolverine style floating primary cell that just moves around but that cell can also be regenerated as long as his head is intact or some bullshit

That's about the only way to explain it. Toriyama really doesn't think things through and has admitted he never plans his arcs and just makes it up as he goes along. That's why he hates editors.

benis :DDD

If frieza was the sample it'd count, otherwise Ben's limited to Generic brand frostdemon.