Alright so now that we know Steven Universe can have fucking great movies...

Straight from interviews with Sugar:
>Do you think Steven will ever encounter an enemy he can’t reason with?
>Sugar:Stay tuned for what happens next, is all I can say at the moment …
>[What was the inspiration behind Spinel’s look and revisiting the past in this way?
>Rebecca Sugar:I love to work with the semiotics of cartoons. [We] have this character who was frozen in time—she didn’t get this chance to develop as a person. So in order to express that in the language of cartoons, making her look like this out-of-date cartoon that never evolved was a way to say everything about who she is and what happened to her, not just through the design but also through her motions.

How would the new Gem look like?

>How have you been able to find such compassion for even the villains? Because it would have been very easy to simply paint Spinel as this evil-doer, but she has dealt with a tremendous amount of trauma.
>RS: The thing about Spinel is that she’s a really toxic person. She’s so toxic that she’s literally trying to poison people

What's going to be the reason behind the new Gem being Broly Gem?

White Diamond gets hit by a corruption beam somehow.

>design unlike other corruptions, not too animalistic but more abstract and heavy on the light manipulation and contrasts
>plenty of material for the animators to go crazy with
>WD can still talk
>Steven tells her to fight the corruption
>WD says being good like Steven wants was so hard
>why shouldn't she treat everyone else like lower lifeforms when they are!
>finally get the fucking villain song from WD
>she kicks steven's ass but keeps him alive and whole
>she had to put up with steven for so long, now it's his turn to watch her do as she wants
>tells him she's going to ruin HIS empire aka Earth
>WD teleports to Beach City and starts driving people insane with light shows and hallucinations
>Steven goes off to stop her

basically we get the villainous WD that CYM should've had and we fucking get our goddamn WD villain song.

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theme/message would probably be that being a good person can be hard and takes a lot of work, but in the end it's worth it because being an asshole just leaves you with no one at all

Jasper is "Broly gem". She's also canonically stubborn and proud as fuck, not to mention the "perfect" quartz.

>can have fucking great movies,
The entire movie ends in 5 minutes if the main character isn't just plain stupid, you're not even close to 'good'. If the writing is so bad it can be resolved near instantly with minimal acts on our protagonist and no barriers to keep him from acting, pretty fucking bad movie isn't it? There's a reason they have to make the car not start in horror movies, even Friday the 13th doesn't think its audience is so stupid they won't ask why they don't drive off. SU? Knows its audience is that dumb.

Get above the level of 'kissing the world better' for an ending first, baby steps, literally.

>The entire movie ends in 5 minutes if the main character isn't just plain stupid
I said it in another thread, but I felt the same at first. Steven could have just warped to Homeworld and figured things out real quick, but then the ending show why they saved the Diamonds last

>but then the ending show why they saved the Diamonds last
It really doesn't because it just points out how even the main conflict of Spinel, as a character, also could have been resolved in 3 minutes, because it was resolved in 3 minutes. We're talking an 8 minute short, tops, and every single issue is fixed.

>She's also canonically stubborn and proud as fuck, not to mention the "perfect" quartz.
Idk that sounds more Cell than Broly
Broly wasn't "perfect", just overwhelmingly strong that he was seen as a threat. More berserker than captain of the guard

You know what,I think Broly wouldn't fit Steven Universe.
I think the character type of Broly would in that he is a buffed up version of the protagonist,could work but not with this Dragon Ball villain
Fortunately there is one Dragon Ball villain that if we adapt into Steven Universe could work perfectly as a huge moral divider.
Baby

>also could have been resolved in 3 minutes
I'll meet you halfway and agree that there was alot of time spent of exposition and reintroducing everyone that I wasn't fond of either. At the same time, it was done with a purpose. While everyone and the SU story was retold, it was a set up for the Spinel reveal.

But if your gripe is how long it took for things to happen, I don't think I disagree, I literally thought at the 20 min mark that Steven should have phoned Home already. It was Sugar's plan, what can I say

I still don't get why they didn't just include a shot of the portal being crushed. Sure, still wouldn't explain not getting them because Pink Pants Ship can make it there and back again in no time flat, but at least it would have been something instead of just hoping everyone forgets the opening to the movie you made and pretends nagging grandmas are somehow worse then the end of all life. The entire conflict of the movie is just plain dumb and badly made, and Spinel's character getting shunted off with the diamonds is probably the worst ending you could have given her.

>I'll meet you halfway and agree that there was alot of time spent of exposition and reintroducing everyone that I wasn't fond of either.
Its not even that, the entire conflict is moot and easily resolved, yet only wasn't because, full stop, its bad writing and was really stupid. There's no other explanation, "we were saving them for the end" makes no sense in the context of the story itself. If she wanted to keep them away? Neat, she fucked up and wrote a very stupid plot to get them to it. Or maybe she didn't and just assumed her watchers wouldn't think about the plot, at all. You can even do a Spinel reveal with the diamonds too! Every single aspect of this story is just fundamentally built on a badly done, shoddily thought out plot that just plain should not have continued if anyone in the story had done the stupidly obvious.

But if you enjoyed it, cool. Its not a good movie, but it doesn't have to be for you to enjoy it, people love Sharknado, the world can accept you loving something almost as stupid.

Nigga we have breakdowns of how the movie is well constructed, paced and executed. Your nerd nitpicks of "but...they could've just...done that thing" mean nothing.

>But if your gripe is how long it took for things to happen
His gripe is that the Diamonds could have ended the whole movie near instantly, and that they didn't even though the whole world was at stake is just plain bad writing. Which it is.

Well obviously the first thing to do is create a good OC character on this board and get Sucrose to adopt it as a gesture of good faith towards the fandom.

>Nigga we have breakdowns of how the movie is well constructed, paced and executed. Y
Oh well I'm sure I'm gonna take the word of someone saying its well constructed when the entire foundation relies entirely on you, the viewer, forgetting the glowing light pad from a few short minutes ago, they seem to know what they're talking about!
>Your nerd nitpicks of "but...they could've just...done that thing" mean nothing.
Bitch please, your crying over your dumbass plotline being rightfully dumped on means less, because at least that has examples besides
>Other people said it was good!
Try crying a little more next time they point out your dumbass movie relies on everyone being dumb as you just to make it 2 minutes past the gems reforming, SU showed it'll work.

Ew

>the world can accept you loving something almost as stupid.
To be fair in Sharknado, when they had the means to stop the giant killer event, they just wen right ahead and did it, they didn't have access to it before the end.

So Sharknado>SU on plot structure.

>The thing about Moissanite is, it is almost as hard as a Diamond, but shines BRIGHTER
That's pretty much it, it's all a projection so being "brighter" should already be a more powerful body and stronger abilities. Hates Steven for being trated as a Diamond when he's half human, a REAL "fake" gem

I genuinely have never seen a movie like this, where the answer and the whole conflict is just 'there' the whole movie and everyone just does that thing where you walk down a hall with your hand cupped over your face past it. This would be like if the Oxygen Destroyer was just on the table the whole time during Godzilla. Nobody looks at it or acknowledges it, its just there. SU is uniquely bad in this respect, I genuinely have no other movie I can point to that has a plot this badly put together just as a basic structure. Just a barebones basic of 'what is the conflict, how can it be resolved' doesn't work. I've never seen a movie this bad.

>Nigga we have breakdowns of how the movie is well constructed, paced and executed.
Please don't lie, and I really hope you're lying. I genuinely don't want to see someone this bad at just basic storytelling structure try to praise the movie. It would be like watching a puppy get kicked down the hall.

Makes sense to me honestly.
SU might be shit but it's shit due to awful pacing and drawn out problems that end in dissapoitnment. That said it's still a show with a lot of highs and it's why many people still enjoy it despite it's imense flaws.

SU is the antithesis of Gestalt philosphy, where the singular pieces are actually better then the sum of its parts. A medium where the wrtiers have to tell a complete narrative in a singular 90 minute piece is the exact sort of thing SU would excell at.

I can at least put you at ease that it's not that stupid, there is one other movie I can recall where the answer is just there and nobody does anything about it, and that's Sinister. He gets the movies that show the murders pretty early, knows that someone is killing the people in the house, does not have to stay in said house and can leave anytime he wants, but doesn't go to the police with the movies or just pound gravel to get out of there.

Other people have been as bad as Rebecca before.

>and drawn out problems that end in dissapoitnment. Th
You mean like a giant killer death drill introduced at the start of the movie full of poison that will kill all organic life if it all spills out, and over the long course of the movie it all does spill out, only to then be resolved by Steven giving kisses really hard, a lot?

Yeah that excelling is really showing.

They really should have just left the drill out, everything about it is bad writing.

It's not perfect mind you but it's still far and above an improvment on the norm.

The norm for the show or the norm for animated movies in general? Because even Wreck It Ralph didn't have the steering wheel on a chair in the background.

Yo, am I really supposed to come out of this movie seeing Pink Diamond as the biggest piece of shit ever?
Asking as a casual watcher, don’t know if there’s context justifying or if she’s been presented like this for a while.
Surprised they’d portrays Steve’s mom as such a cunt.

Yeah, no, you're supposed to get that. Early on everyone holds Rose on a pedestal as an unachievable godess Steven feels like he has to live up to. A major part of the middle is learning about all the flaws she had, all the lies she told, and all the problems she kicked down the road and burdened her son and friends with. Bismuth actually has a kinda similar story to her, though more nuanced. This one is more cut and dry caused by Pink being far younger.

That’s been a thing set up for a while, Rose sort of began as a perfect goddess figure, but time revealed she actually had a lot of secrets or regrets and made some pretty bad choices.

SU movie or mini-series directed by Genndy.

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Order of events?
Pink was the youngest Diamond, the ruling caste of the Gems.
Her role was basically the heart of the 4, she had control over nothing, is mistreated and abused due to her different ideology from White Diamond.
Wanted a colony, they gave her Earth.
Got bored cause she was glued to a chair and could only observe her world through a super spycam.
Pearl gives Pink the idea to disguise herself to set foot on Earth.
Pink hits it off and loves it.
Realizes they're fucking up the planet and wants to put it stop to it.
Diamonds tells her no over and over so Pink decides to rebel as her disguise.
This lets her control the fighting while still pleading with the Diamonds to just abandon Earth.
Hundreds of years later the Diamonds are now more actively involved in the war and the fighting is escalating,
Pink thinks she's primary reason behind the whole conflict so she fakes her death hoping Homeworld would finally give up.
Turns out she was actually beloved by the Diamonds so they crack down even harder.
The Diamonds rage quit and salts Earth with their powers.

>I'm not sure how copyrights work but since he's no longer canon it should be okay
No way. For one thing, canon has no bearing on who holds rights, and for another, his first appearance was in 1993, meaning it will be decades before his rights expire.

Broly was shit, you weeb.

She doesn't even need to be corrupted. She's already a raging narcissist and there is going to be a point when she feels that Steven owes her for all the changes she's made. She's gonna want to cash that in and it will likely be something Steven can't agree to. WD is a ticking time bomb for bad shit to go down.

Pink Diamond really gives me Lord Gwyn feels, of Dark Souls fame.

Initially, he's only ever spoken about with terms of awe or fear, and rightly so, because he's the closest thing the setting as to an almighty 'capital G' God. A creator deity who wrested the world that everyone knows from the formless fog of 'before'. A warrior so powerful even his foes must bend the knee and swear allegiance out of awe.
Rose Quartz (before the idea of the Diamonds) was presented as so far above the Crystal Gems in capability that each and every problem they had in Season 1 started with them lamenting "if RQ was here, she could just wave her hand and fix this." She was infallible, supreme in virtue, might and leadership.

But as you move forward, through SU seasons or DS1 bosses, cracks in the facade begin to appear. They were fearful, unsure, perhaps even wrong with their choices. Motives of kindness and well-being become choices they made through fear, or perhaps even malice. Finally, you find out that most of the problems you face were caused by them in the first place, caused by a rash decision born of inadequacy, jealousy, incompetence or negligence.

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Oh ok thanks just checking,I was vaguely aware of her being more of a gray character, it’s just that, even if she fucked up when she was younger, in the case of Spinel she could have done something after she matured, it kinda adds a layer of fuckedupness that she still didn’t give a shit about leaving her to endless solitude even after she “grew up”
But as long as it’s consistent and not something the writers pulled out of their asses I’m fine with it.

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Pink was an asshole at that time and it might have been too late to go back.

Meant for My apologies.

In Space Race the Crystal Gems check on the Galaxy Warp to confirm it was still disabled. So the 5000 year span was justified. She should've freed Spinel during the 1000 year war however.

Yeah my issue isn’t so much that she did leave her in the first place, it’s just that, as far as I know from the little I’ve watched, she could’ve have gone back at a certain point? Even if a long time afterwards.
I personally thought that was inconsistent with a character recognizing their mistakes and growing as a person, because unless she didn’t have a way to get there the other explanations would be that either she forgot or she didn’t care. Both of which are fucked up in their own way.
I’ve also seen the explanation that she didn’t really understand Spinel as more than a toy, which is why she wouldn’t treat her the same as she would another sentient being.
I liked the story, but it really soured Pink for me.

>Alright so now that we know Steven Universe can have fucking great movies
On what planet?

>SU has now graduated to having the peak spin off movie of any show: its own Broly movie.
Is this some Weeaboo Newspeak I'm not familiar with?

Yeah. If you wanna check out a more mature Rose making the same mistake, season 3 episode 24, Bismuth it's a nice stand alone episode. She probably just forgot about Spinel or always felt it would be weird to go back and figured there would be no consequences from it, that's not out of her character.

Steven, Connie, Jasper, and the CGs have to move to the desert to work as mercenaries for a wildly rich quarry owner in the southwest. Their employer, however, has a brother who soon after procures DNA samples of Steven and co.

The movie takes place over several years as our heroes and their doppelgangers duke it out across dozens of locations in the American West.

It ends in a big showdown, and in an aftercredits scene we see a sneak peak at the sequel, wherein the third brother of the quarry owner family has made an army of robot gems. The movies lead to first-person spinoff game full of unique weapons and HILARIOUS cosmetic outfits for each of the nine mercenaries.

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>Weeaboo Newspeak
Is this some dweeb lingo I'm not familiar with?

Dumb

cringe

Oh that sounds pretty neat, got any names for it? Just a random thing but I think Gemwatch sounds cool

I was thinking Palagems might be better, but we'd have to call it quits after this movie. I can't actually count to 3

I know that you know what a weeaboo is, and I'll be damn sad if you don't know what Newspeak is.

I was making fun of you for not knowing Broly in 2019 by flipping your post onto you

Then enlighten me: what in the glorious Aztec fuck is "Broly"?

>now that we know Steven Universe can have fucking great movies
Did they release another one I'm not aware of?

Some sort of forced fusion between yellow and blue diamonds plus mind control. It'd even retain Broly's Green color scheme. Add white if blue+green is too dark a green to march the color scheme

Broly went to shit when the titular character appeared. Planet Vegeta of the past was more interesting than the movie itself.

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Steven meets a normal gem and she present as an old diamond friend someone that is an old pal of them.
He suddenly crashes into earth and the gem gets a little broken.
Gem guy/girl is normal until some humans tell the gems they are freaks so it gets mad and start going the corruption route.

Diamonds tell Steven he is and old gem and his powers dont work on him
Steven puff the corrupted gem and the people celebrate him until he stops crying and just go in silence.

He is sad for his first failure and learning that not every human is a good person. Cg tell him everything is going to be ok and

>The reason why Pink Diamond was so small when compared to the other Diamonds was because she was a "split-off" of a larger Pink Diamond which was lost
>Steven and the Gems find that Pink Diamond (She has aligned with Snake People)

youtube.com/watch?v=ruHnQ3ii7io

Imagine an alien warrior race that takes over planets as a business. Okay now make it so every warrior has the potential to get stronger as they get angry. Now give one of them autism so that they are the equivalent of Hulk in that he gets stronger as he gets madder, except he only continues to get angrier, ergo stronger, seemingly nonstop.

Broly’s thing is “better at being goku than goku”. He’s a super duper saiyan while goku is just super. I think Broly would be an enemy that’s as good at talking out differences as Steven...but for the other side. A power hungry demagogue who’s manipulation is the opposite of Stevens understanding. Basically Steven vs a Sociopath