They're not like you and me, which means they must be evil!

>attack people
>they defend themselves
wooow

Good

>Pocahontas gives John Smith shit for thinking you can own land
>in real life her tribe owned land

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Yes, you are correct sir.

yeah that's how a lot of this site thinks

I remember her tits and that's about it.

RULES OF NATUUUUURE

For me, it's her hips

Wasn’t he actually a pretty solid dude in real life? Like he actually tried to broker peace treaties with the natives? Though I do think he was scalped though... so screwed coming and going I suppose

>don't attack anyone
>try to trade to help feed starving colonists
>get betrayed by savage natives who skin you alive and burn you
>act surprised and mad when colonists shoot on sight from then on

Fuck natives.

Remember that time the Iroquois ripped missionaries' eyeballs out and put burning coals in their eye sockets while they were still alive?

It wasn't mere scalping, he got flayed alive

Yeah, she was right.
While Ratcliffe is definitely the main villain of the movie, the musical number is definitely trying to push the narrative that both sides were racially-motivated aggressors, which, historically speaking, was not remotely the case.
And even if the natives were as racist as the europeans, they would have much more reason to be so, considering they were being invaded.
If the movie was made with reasonable contribution of the natives, then it would have been okay for them to admit "we were also at fault", but it was almost exclusively white americans making it, and shifting the blame onto the natives.

This is satire right?

The exorcist? He was my favorite character.

>which, historically speaking, was not remotely the case

Good Lord education has failed you.

Jamestown didn't attack the natives, the natives lured them in with the promise of food since they were starving and just outright slaughtered them all.

It shows how stupid the English's stance on natives were

Spain: Turn them into tax payer catholics
Result: All of Latin America loves jesus and Spain had so much silver it sunk Ming China's economy

England: Push them away/ exterminate
Result: tons of natives are still around, even after smallpox did a lot of heavy lifting

>implaying

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>English version
Savages! Savages! Barely even human!
>Finnish version
Wild men! Wild men! Not human at all!
Fug, why are we so savage?
youtube.com/watch?v=jTJRYNXzo-4

t. Carlos V

>tons of natives are still around
I wouldn't call that true at all

>Spain: Turn them into tax payer catholics
>Result: All of Latin America loves jesus and Spain had so much silver it sunk Ming China's economy
you mean slave them / make them alcoholic farmers (the wagecuck of its time, but traped for life) and exterminate any tribe that does fight back
yeah they were nicer but dont act like spain didnt had any of does "let's kill the retards that are living in my new farm"
because they had a lot
they also had a lot more of race mixing in comparision to england, they even become a faction of their own during the revolutions

There are a lot of indian Reservations out west dude

Encomenda was much shorter lived than people like to give credit for. Jesus also sold like hotcakes. And fucking your subjects is still better than bloodshed

They did clear them out East of the Mississippi though

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whoops that was out of order
The Americans/English cleared the natives east o the missisppi, not the spanish

Native Americans were heavily tribalistic and would kill one another for "being different" and occupying desirable land.
Morally, the only difference between Europeans and natives is that the Europeans were better equipped.

>They weren't
>But even if they were, they were justified

Ah Christ, it's like reading the daily mail comment section on a holocaust related news article.

Behold everyone! A middle school teacher!

If we're talking sheer population, there are more natives around now than there were when the settlers arrived.

Dummies don't even get to the MS paint comics until 5th grade

Nope. Post a link

Remember when your government purposely made our primary food source hunting game and didn’t do anything with the animals they shot from trains to starve us out? Remember when your government raped and killed our children and took them from their parents to forget their language? Remember when your government had doctors illegally sterilize our women? Because news flash only two of those things didn’t stop happening less than 80 years ago, mean while what you’re complaining about stopped in the 1600s.

Whites win again. Lay off the firewater Chief Gargles-Listerine.

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I prefer Chief Drinks like a Fish white man

Remember when your people practiced cannibalism?

>Remember when your government had doctors illegally sterilize our women

It wasn't illegal

>both sidesing the fucking invasion, conquest, enslavement and extermination of the Americas' indigenous population

Jesus, is it just terrible public education in America? Where do these people come from?

Gaston and Frollo don't think they're evil either

And the result is that Latin America is a shithole

These cowards have anonymity as their armour. Not sure what the fuck was going on with the entire production of Disney's Pocahontas.

Ok but the CIA and Soviet Union's actions in the 60's have nothing to do with this.

Woah dude both sides were bad?

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I mean Argentina's nice and proved Fascisim can work but that has more to do with Merchantalism

Most of Latin America was run as extration colonies and thus weren't given a chance for self rule

Based and redpilled.

Listen to Mine he's greedy and corrupt with delusions of grandeur.
Even if you're full /pol/ surely being willing to sacrifice his white compatriots would clue you into the fact he's just an asshole.

You can't use that as an excuse forever. Corruption is just part of your nature.

Was Gaston a gymcel?

I don't disagree with you but it is important to note that:
Frollo not think he's wrong is an actual plot point about the follies (and dangers) for rationalising your actions with faux righteousness.

Gaston is a moron.

>implying natives didn't invade, exterminate, enslave, and conquer each other on a regular basis
>even in the later Indian wars they brutally massacred entire unarmed populations like Cookes Canyon or the Dakota wars

Difference being that whites didn't ritualistically eat natives or torture them to death on a burning stake.

Even in the late 1800s/early 1900s South America was shit. Brazil had to pay Britain to build their battleships because they lacked the industrial power to build their own.

>Most of Latin America was run as extration colonies and thus weren't given a chance for self rule

Because they were full of dumb smelly natives instead of enterprising, literate Europeans.

Not him but he's referring to the martyrs of the mission to the Hurons.

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Lol you talk like my brain dead uncle who unironically died alone of an alcohol overdose in a trailer park and no one cared

Only one recorded tribe in North America is recorded to have done that and everyone hated them including my tribe. You act like we’re all the same.

>When your knowledge of history is based on a Disney movie
>American education
>Thinks the natives weren't killing eachother precisely because they were from different tribes way before the white men arrived
>Also american education
And here I thought the noble savage trope was considered racist now

This song was great, only bad thing was having Ratcliffe which is unlike the historical one, could've been a generic colonist

He's not entirely wrong though. If you're a good, saintly person then someone who isn't like you has to be evil.

youtube.com/watch?v=3oEWA7UglB4

He says so right before the song. He's pretty much happy John Smith was captured, shows no worry for him and only sees it as an opportunity to convince everyone to go kill the natives for their GOOOOOLD.

Fuck off you pale-face cumskinned bitch. See?

Nah, he had bitches. He's that gym guy who has tons of pussy but can't get ONE girl that he really, really wants.

fucking leaf indians are just fucking savages compared to the woo woo woo teepee indians down mid

Their hunting method was to chase animals off cliffs

Seems legit.

You must come from a shitty family if you talk about your own kin like that.

>settlers encounter some Indians
>offer simple baubles and shit to own the land they are on
>injuns take deal
>settlers feel good thinking they just ripped them off for their land
>meanwhile the Indian tribe feels like they ripped the settlers off, they didn’t even live on that area of land and were just passing through
>the actual Indians who lived there had no clue of the deal
History was just everyone trying to jew others off.

Amerindian concepts of ownership were completely different from European ownership.

You "owned" a land so long as you worked it. So more like a lease than true ownership. They were fucking baffled to come back to farmland in the spring and see a bunch of buildings.

He was incompetent at best. The bit about wasting time searching for nonexistent gold is completely true. Plus, he tried to have the settlers build him a mansion instead of farming.

It was more a numbers thing. Haudenosaunee warriors could let loose three arrows with perfect accuracy in the time it took a settler to load and fire a single shot.

>Haudenosaunee warriors could let loose three arrows with perfect accuracy in the time it took a settler to load and fire a single shot.

The time it takes to train an archer is massive compared to the time it takes to learn to use a musket

YES! Preach it brother! If they could be forgiven so easily then they wouldn’t be heathens/heretics!

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You sound even more like him. After he tried to punch my mom in the head too.

>Remember when your government purposely made our primary food source hunting game and didn’t do anything with the animals they shot from trains to starve us out?
You should have gotten a factory job like everyone else. The Irish took it and nutted up instead of complaining
>Remember when your government raped and killed our children and took them from their parents to forget their language?
So the government killed and raped them, and THEN took them to school? Sounds counter productive.

Also your language is shit.
>Remember when your government had doctors illegally sterilize our women
What was the illegal part.

Don’t pretend that Your shit didn’t stink as much as everyone else. The only difference was that you lost early and couldn’t continue to demonstrate it. You don’t get the moral high ground just because you lost.

This might legitimately be the dumbest shit I have ever read. This sounds like it was written by a low performing 12 year old.

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Not every bow is an english longbow. A lot of ancient and medieval bows had lighter draw weights and were far easier to shoot, the bows used by Indians were not particularly strong, and loading a musket, even without getting shot back is very complicated and stressful.

>Haudenosaunee warriors could let loose three arrows with perfect accuracy in the time it took a settler to load and fire a single shot.
And an English longbow man could probably put your average musketman to shame in much the same way. But the musket is easier to learn, cheapers, and just as lethal as a well shot arrow

True but any asshole can fire a gun once. The real issue though has to do with the diseases the disgusting filthy europeans brought with them that Indians couldn't deal with.

Aww yeah the "might makes right" crowd, I was afraid you wouldn't show

Clearly the musket is a more cost-effective weapon than any bow or else european armies wouldn't have adopted them

>S-s-stop trying to make me argue! Why can’t you just admit i’m right!
Cry some more

Naw closer to the "you're just as much of assholes as the rest of us, stop trying to posture for moral superiority when you have none" crowd.

You were never right in the first place. Right was never even a question in the first place because the losers weren’t close to right either. They killed, beat, and stole from each other over geopolitics and reaources as much as everyone else

You want to bitch about getting your shit kicked in, go ahead, but don’t pretend you have any sort of moral platform to stand on when you do it.

>See how I glitter!

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I remember her documentary about her own abortion

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Do you actually because it was pretty good?

But tribes owned land communally, regardless of wether they were working on it or not.

You can't just hunt in some other peoples' hunting grounds because you'd be thinning out the game.

Plus other people don't like having strangers near their homes. The Iroquois Confederacy had one episode when they met to discuss what to do with southern Iroquois that got displaced by non-Iroquois and turned up north as refugees. They got land but no voting rights at the top representational level.

A mohawk doesn't share a region with an algonquin, except if the later is dead, a slave or abducted.

So while Pocahontas could've been upset at Jon Smith's notion of private property, she would have no historical basis to oppose alienation rights over property.

Probably every culture that has ever existed in history has committed barbaric acts on the regular, whether it's scalping or human sacrifices or whatever, that doesn't mean all of their wrongdoing is suddenly proportional to each other, or that anything you do to them is justified because of their own wrongdoing. (I'm ignorant about native history though, so maybe they truly did do something that warranted near-genocide)

Those missionaries were killed by the Iroquois though

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_de_Brébeuf#Death

And they weren't. Have you ever been around gypsies? Frollo is a saint

>Had the settlers build him a mansion instead of making food to ensure their survival
Not gonna lie, that's pretty gangsta

Frollo did think he was evil, just about the wrong things. If he had literally no self doubts, he'd have aborted Quasimodo, and instead of being called "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" the story would have been called "Priest Rapes Brown Teen (female)".

The fact that you think examining both sides of the historical reality of American colonization is a bad thing... seems concerning.
I feel like everyone is trying to take a side here, even you. Both sides in this conflict were human. One side had an advantage in combat and a culture that prioritized expansion (as do most if not all human cultures). The results were inevitable. This isn't some moral debate. It doesn't matter who was "right" in history. It just is.

What a stupid fedora lord post. The entire point of our approach to history is there absolutely is a morality and we need to understand how and why so we don't keep fucking up over and over.

>Why not elect Hitler Jr, bro? Sure tens of millions of people needlessly died in WWII but it doesn't matter who was "right"

You're not wrong to say that examining the actions and motivations of both sides is a good thing, but don't you think handwaving colonization as "inevitable" whitewashes some of the actual abhorrent shit some of those settlers did?

The passing of time will probably remove moral relativity from all conflicts. Near a century later everyone still believes WWII was about the good Allies vs the evil Nazis, but maybe none of that will matter another 100 years from now

Not electing a figurative son of Hitler solely because of his father IS kinda shitty desu.

Well the English's stance resulted in the United States becoming today's world superpower so

Everyone is the hero of their own story and the villain of someone else's.

Even you.

Shit your right, we got to do something about the Apatchi before it s too late!

>would have much more reason to be so, considering they were being invaded
So Native Americans hated illegal immigrants?

Considering they came with the explicit purpose of conquest and colonization, why shouldn't they?

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>/pol/ supporting Trump.jpg

Um that's a facts and logic for me libs

>diseases the disgusting filthy europeans brought with them
You'll take the urban blight and enjoy it

Excuse me, it seems I forgot to introduce myself...

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It's funny how on paper it's so offensive that they so clearly code the villains (this guy, Scar, Ursula, Rattigan, etc.) to be gay because it makes them EVILLL without having to write them well but literally no one cares because gay villains are based and always the best characters in movies where the heroes are often bland.

If anything, the gravity of atrocities committed in the name of God and Country and Muh-nifest Destiny have become more evident with age.

You don't see a lot of folks praising conquistadors nowadays. I doubt the single most well documented genocide in history will be drained of all of its weight within two lifetimes.

getyarn.io/yarn-clip/4e29577c-5c9a-448e-baf2-47afe4101cc3

Don't you mean
>the people who actually lived there died 5 years ago from smallpox
?

I genuinely love this song. It explains war and human nature in the most basic way.

haha morals don't exist! behavioural evolution AHHAAHAHA

Damn you are historically illiterate.

SANDWICHES SANDWICHES
BARELY EVEN TOASTED
SANDWICHES SANDWICHES
THIS FUCKING BEEF IS RAW

Europeans survived the black death. It hardened them.

Maybe not two lifetimes, but I don't see it being taboo forever. The death count brought by the Mongols are in the millions and nearly everyone agrees they did bad, but they also do not leverage any blame onto their descendants

Yeah, shit was cash. Wish we hadn't stopped so you couldn't bitch.

>I'm ignorant about native history though, so maybe they truly did do something that warranted near-genocide
Look up what they did to captured women and children, especially the fucking komanche, apaches and blackfoot. Gang raped, sold as slaves, killed for fun, tortured, etc. It was all on the table.

Some accounts even talk about insane shit like stuffing a woman's cooch full of gunpowder and then setting it off. Don't forget all the slaves they owned, either.

Same thing happened in South Africa with the bantu and the boers. The farmers tried signing a peace treaty, only to be lured into an ambush and have their representatives killed.

Gaston is the hero, dummy

Don't forget how well being self ruled worked for fucking Haiti.

frollo was based until he considered fucking one, Then he became cringe.

>whitewashes some of the actual abhorrent shit some of those settlers did?
Because the native shit was worse. It's that simple.

It was a relatively advanced culture going up against a stone age culture.

I remember reading somewhere that South Africa was originally uninhabitable until the Boers showed up and introduced irrigation channels to hydrate the land enough to actually farm on, which is when the Bantu showed up.

They were just the same, though. Tribesmen left the bodies of killed Spaniards in water to see if they would decompose and so determine if these new guys were human like them, or something else. Meaning they didn't even see them as human initially.

Yep, the actual original inhabitants of south africa were the pygmies, which the bantu later mostly exterminated.

Should have killed more europeans faster. Their only fault was to cease fire.

only in the fact it was easy as shit to train people in their use and made heavy armor obsolete.
Later on after the mass adaptation of guns, an army using decent bows could beat an unarmored army of musketeers. (which i think did happen a few times, thus why they kept breastplates for a good while)
That said, guns out ranged lighter bows, were already in mass(ish) production, and were fuk easy to train with.

>maybe they truly did do something that warranted near-genocide)
Well the aztec definitely needed a good genocide.
But in north america the planes Indians were fucked up. The Canadian indians were warmongering fuckers especially those on the east coast who were basically bronze age-vikings.
As for the 'forest' indians (cherokee, creek, shawnee) It vastly varied from clan to clan. The fact they constantly splitm reformed, and shifted clans made any proper agreement impossible to uphold as there would always be those who went 'fuck that' and went to make a new clan and continue doing the shitty raids, kidnapping, criminal sheltering, ect.
They needed united, very hard to do with the bad blood, or killed / chased off. Cue the trail of tears.

Sauce me on the Bantus arriving before the Dutch, I looked online and found vague sources ranging from 500-1500AD (but always before the colonists)

I came into this thread just to say I'm sure it's a terrible thread for all involved I'm not even reading past the OP.

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Not every person with a flamboyant personality is gay, user.

only Disney saw Frollo as the villain in the book.

I think I've watched that story

really? Since when?

I'm listening to this song right now.

Well, technically Esmeralda was actually a French girl named Agnes that the gypsies kidnapped.

With messaging that unsubtle, it's a wonder I waited until this year to finally outgrow Disney

barely even human!

Could it be that good is a point of view?

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>In English the Scottish guy says: Let's get them lads

>In the dub I grew up with he says: A few we will kill

You know for a colonial crew they sure are surprisingly well armed

>>They're not like you and me, which means they must be evil!

I mean he isn't wrong. Not at all. He was the good guy despite what jewney wants you to think. He brought civilization and technology to a backwards shit eating savage continent. Prove me wrong libcucks.

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That was the dumbest shit I've ever read.

>SEETHING

Funny, IRL Ratcliffe wanted to deal with indians in peaceful terms and they beheaded him instead.

stfu

Remember when John Smith raped a little girl?

Ahahaha is wittle libtard gonna cry to mama? Triggered the snowflake!

I mean what do you expect from dirty brown savages? America did the world a service by eradicating them as much as we could. It always gives me a hearty chuckle when I read about the state the Indians are in now. All suicidal and alcoholic. My scalped ancestors say hi.

>Destroying the lesser culture and civilization.
Did nothing wrong. The civilization who is more advance is naturally right.

Isnt he consciously using the I incident to stoke anger so he can get access to a literal gold mine.

Based and red pilled.

People still do this, sadly

Native americans had metallurgy, agriculture that didn't negatively impact the environment, architecture so grandiose that spaniards thought it better than any european city and took baths.

Europeans were inferior in every conceivable way, litteral dirtbags.

Well what can you expect, from filthy little heathens.

You're crazy. lol

Meanwhile Indians are now all alcoholic woman beating backwards savages still who's only contributions to America is casinos taught to them by jews. America should have wiped them all out. Jackson didn't do enough I say

>Europeans were inferior
t. Butthurt Native
Get fucked bitch.

>Indians are now
Weren't they always?

Typically of liberals. Can't counter facts they turn to petty insult.

>Europeans were inferior
>Natives never even left their continent or had a map of the world.
>Natives metallurgy and argiculture techniques were better than Europe.

I'm not just insulting you, I'm accurately making an observation.

Jews taught them how to open casinos. Aside from that yes. You're right.

Stupid cucks like you are why Trump will win again. MAGA

seek medical help.

I believe that Obama, Trump, Clinton and Bush are all evil, you blindly follow slave owners.

>REEE REE I STILL CAN'T GET OVER HOW HILLARY LOST SO HARD! I'M SUCH A GIANT KEK WHO CAN'T GET OVER THE FACT THE TIME OF LIBTARDS IS OVER!

Better get used to it. With GEOTUS Trump, great king Johnson and soon to be leader Le Pen are showing that the world has decided that libtards cruel reign is over.

I agree with all but Trump. He's the only one not owned by big government and is fighting for the little man. I was just at his rally and it was a sign to behold. Every day I thank God for having a leader so great and who finally stands up for me. He really is keeping America first and its great again.

Trade between Native Americans and Polynesians and Siberians is well known, actually.

And most of the plants europeans use in their food today were domesticated by native americans. Its like you strive to be a redneck moron.

What a wonderful counterargument redneck

Do you have any proof for ANY of these claims? Because anyone with even a modicum of public schooling would question all that bullshit.

Trump is just as bad as the others my friend, may I remind you he attempted to protect a pedophile and could possibly allegedly be holding secrets of the tragedy of 9/11?

Where were you educated, in Alabama?

"When we saw so many cities and villages built in the water and other great towns on dry land we were amazed and said that it was like the enchantments (...) on account of the great towers and cues and buildings rising from the water, and all built of masonry. And some of our soldiers even asked whether the things that we saw were not a dream? (...) I do not know how to describe it, seeing things as we did that had never been heard of or seen before, not even dreamed about."

All smear jobs by the left. Don't fall for it. I only read his tweets and follow what he says. Even fox news has turned on him despite him giving them everything they are now. Trump knows what he's doing. There's a reason he is a multi billionaire and one of the most successful businessmen in the world. The world finally respects us again and knows we aren't the doormat Oboingo made us.

based and redpilled

Jesus the left has always been full of fake news. This is just more of it. Loom at Indians now? Absolutely garbage Human beings. This is how they always were. This is their natural state. If it wasn't for the white man teaching them anything they would be extinct by now.

Oh I get it, you're just LARPing...

In my public school we at least knew most domestic plants came from the natives. And like, can't you even bother to research you utter retard?

Oh, didn't know CONQUISTADORES were fake news now. Just kill yourself, you're literally an embarassment to humanity

Why is this always the response? You can't believe that someone is proud of our great president? I voted for him in 2016 will again and I even helped campaign in NC last time and even now. He truly is making things better. Better than I've ever seen before.

REEE REE THINGS DON'T FIT MY NARRATIVE! I DON'T BELIEVE THAT! YOU'RE JUST A MEAN OL RASSIS!

Heh, sure kid.

Why didn't we kill all the Indians?

>everyone

Literally the only people I know who think the Allies were holy saints are the same people who ALSO think that Hitler was right.

You're the one literally ignoring facts because you can't handle that your racism is inaccurate to the point of embarassing yourself by being ignorant of well known facts.

Your hypocrisy and stupidity should strip you of your human status

Na user I can't throw another gay bro under a bus

Well....most.

shut up you twit.

And as a consequence Latin America is way better off that north america... Oh wait

Natives kinda fucked themselves over desu

They spent a millennia isolated and not progressing the same as Eurasia and Africa, and lacked immunity to disease from raising livestock.

This means the second they meet someone form outside of the Americas, 95+% of them would die from lack of immunity to common diseases

They fucked themselves over lol

Nothing he said was wrong though, he's the hero of the movie and even as a child I saw it, the red colour represents Canada and the British Empire which further cements this fact

As do you faggot, argue back or fuck off

The reason why the Indians had no concept of ownership is because they lacked humanity, our Lord gave man dominion over the beasts and the land the Indian is more animal than man so this didn't apply to him.

Doesn't fucking themselves over implies that it was them who brought euros into americas?

Frollo is a more sympathetic figure in the book, but he's definitely still the villain

the thing is: meanwhile, they made Phoebus the fucking good guy. How can you miss the point of the book this hard.

>you
>your
As if people alive today have anything to do with shit that went down hundreds of years ago and should be held accountable for it? What kind of medieval karmic debt system are you running your morals off of?

No, I don't think everybody gives a shit about attaching themselves to one side of some vast pseudomythic landscape in their mind.
Some people don't think about what they do. And a lot more than some people don't feel the need to invent labels to justify themselves.

There is no "legality" to appeal to when the land is split between hundreds of tribes who don't necessarily get along.

Travel is inevitable. Even the Indians travelled.

Doesn't Powhattan and the other Amerindians have the exact same line in that song, underscoring how neither side can see past their tribal identity? Pocahontas and John Smith are both heroic, Ratcliffe and Kocuum are both evil.

yes

Yea the movie was essentially peak enlightened centrism which brings out the fury in everyone, hence this thread

>VERBATIM

>So the government killed and raped them, and THEN took them to school? Sounds counter productive.
He's talking about residential schools. The government wasn't out to kill or rape the students they were out to subplante their culture. Trouble was most of the schools had no supervision and were often run by the church, so basically a bunch of pedo priests had first pick of red meat for a century

Early 2000s when metrosexual became a thing.

Sounds funny, tell me more.

>Plus, he tried to have the settlers build him a mansion instead of farming.
It's not like any of us wouldn't have.

Mate I'm a zoomer and every other zoomer I know doesn't treat WW2 as that big a deal. It was just another ideological shit flinging contest that got people killed. Nazism isn't unique, it's just another failed ideology like communism or absolute monarchy

Also many people forget that as the movie starts out the warriors come home after being at war with another tribe.

Conquest is just taking resources from the native population. As the illegals flooded in they took away hunting duty's and lands.

>Kocuum
>evil
Eh, a bit of a stretch.

Yes, most south Africans are actually foreign blacks who moved into the territory. That's not excluding the white colonists, just that the native blacks are the real victim here not the posers

based and truthpilled

Both sides were idiots. This rather important detail is generally glossed over when discussing the movie.

And yet the Indians are dead now, a shadow race isolated to controled corners of the world. Indian culture was inferior and thus deserves to die out.
>But muh disease
The black death was imported from Asia, European trading caused then to suffer epidemic after epidemic and get stronger for it.
>Not fair they couldn't cross the ocean.
They could, and did, at least to Russia, and the crossings of Vikings proves it could be done.
>But muh animals
When eroupe was staring out they didn't have all the domestic animals either, but exploration and trade brought them home to strength the land. Further more if pre disease populations are to be believed they had agriculture large enough to support mega city's only for them to constantly fall apart.

Simply because you do not wish the world to come to you does not mean it won't isolationism is a mistake and it's presence in Indian cultures makes them flawed.

Based centrists

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natives were doomed anyway, once the europenas got to americas bringing all their viruz and bacteria the natives would all die to them.

Bow before your based centrist god

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You seriously should get off the internet for a while.

Lick my ass whitey.

>Even if you're full /pol/ surely being willing to sacrifice his white compatriots would clue you into the fact he's just an asshole.
Fucking over white people is fine with /pol/. Just as long as more brown people are fucked over in the process.

The real historical dude tried to make peace with the natives

He got scalped and killed for it

>scalped
Flayed alive

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I heard he screamed, "BUT I'M ONE OF THE GOOOOD ONEESSSSSSSS" as he was being skinned alive

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>Native americans had metallurgy
Nigga wut? Even the Mayan Empire, arguably the most advanced and impressive of all the American native peoples, still used stone swords and hide armour while the Europeans could make entire suits out of steel.

Did you know the Aztecs practiced human sacrifice and certain Native American tribes were human cannibals. That both of them also engaged in colonialism and expansionism?

>>Kocuum
>>not evil

Tribalist, views Pocahontas as his right and effective property, impulsive, jealous of John Smith to the point of violence. I'll say it again. Evil.

The idea that colonialism and slavery and all that shit we consider unspeakably evil today is a very modern point of view, just about every culture on Earth did straight up abhorrent shit, the concept of expanding your influence onto others through military conquest has existed since the Sumarians.
Why is it only Europeans are criticized for their shitty past actions while literally everyone else just gets theirs hand waved?

Disney's pocahontas is not known for its historical accuracy

Conquistadors still got killed in droves by natives. Not everyone was Cabeza de Vaca

So just because they didn't have immunity to disease that makes all their technological accomplishments invalid? What kind of drug are you on?

Also, see previously on Siberian/Polynesian contact and agriculture.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallurgy_in_pre-Columbian_America

>sunk Ming China’s economy
Wasn’t the silver, it was the opium the English sold.

See you illiterate redneck

>Northern America
>Archaeological evidence has not revealed metal smelting or alloying of metals by pre-Columbian native peoples north of the Rio Grande; however, they did use native copper extensively.

You mean claims that were dispelled by
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>had metallurgy
>had agriculture
>had architecture
So did every other culture in existence, difference being the other cultures didn’t engage in human sacrifice

>Why is it only Europeans are criticized for their shitty past actions while literally everyone else just gets theirs hand waved?
Because they're the only ones that act proud about it.

>thinking asians aren't proud of their atrocities

Want to know how I know you don't interact with non-white?

>he says when this entire thread has people justifying atrocities because they had metallurgy and architecture

Ironically they weren’t until communism came

Everyone talks about the natives, but who we really should have been massacring during the age of western expansion was the mormons.
Never forget the mountain meadows massacre.

Have you guys ever met a girl like Chel? I did on my last trip to Mexico.

>Mink sunk by opium
You're sure about that?

Well duh, how was he gonna lord over everyone if he didn't have a suitable building from which to look down upon the peasantry?

Yes pretty damn sure

Woops saw Qing not Ming. But I still don’t think Spain was responsible for bankruptcy

Remember when you lost? Get over it, sweety ;^)

Remember when your people considered genocide against each other against each other and no one gave a shit because everyone else did the same thing?

It played a part, but it was arguably secondary to events such as the little ice age (causing famines and thus peasant uprisings), a hugeass epidemic, the deadliest earthquake of all time, war after war after war and the fucking eunuchs.

Times change. People leave, people move, people shoot and take over other people. It is the nature of man. Our time is here, but our time will end, and soon someone else will push out. Just as your people were destroyed, so will ours. I have learned this, and I have accepted it.
I do not hate you, man, but you have my sympathy.

But we are not here to post politics. We are here to talk about comics and cartoons.

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That seems about right, if Spain was involved their would be more hate involved compared to English and the French

>an army using decent bows could beat an unarmored army of musketeers. (which i think did happen a few times
Feel free to provide a single example.

Not him but i do remember this topic. In japan, when muskets were being introduced the first few battles were won because the musketeers weren’t armored and were poorly trained or rain played apart in ruining gun powder but as armor and proper training was implemented the archers lost all advantages and were slowly phased out.

>three arrows
Compared to the Japanese
>Fifteen Arrows
Shameful display.

>just that the native blacks are the real victim here not the posers
The native "blacks" aren't even black. Khoisan are a whole different race. Black people claiming South Africa has about as much legitimacy as China claiming North America because Native Americans used to live there.

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All of them are tribalist. He does not stand out in this regard.
Arranged marriages are to be expected. He does not stand out in this regard.
All of them were viewing the settlers as enemies. All of them would probably have tried to defend Pocahontas similarly.
He is not more evil than say, the chief, or anyone else in his tribe.

Japan basically thinks it did nothing wrong in WWII.

Love the goalshifting. First you whine Native Americans were inferior, then when that gets proven wrong you go with "b-buh they sacrificed people!"

So did Europeans. The difference is that Christians didn't honour the people they killed for their religion.

The amount of weaseling here is just disgusting. Please die.

The truth

sigh.. nigger. black came to South Africa after the Boors already spread there.. do some fucking history. Btw blacks spread there because boors and anglosuckers literally exterminated the locals so black walked in and took their place in the racist system when locals refused to the last to follow european rules.

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