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>reviewed by critics
>Not reviewed by people.
Most of them aren't even criticizing the movie, they just don't like its subject.
Some of them even admit the movie is well made.
When you can't divorce your own perception of a film from your anxieties over how others may or may not percieve it, you have a real problem.
>Captain Marvel
>gets bomb reviewed by incels
>Joker
>gets bomb reviewes by cucks
What a year for capeshit
>you have a real problem.
This coming from the board that can't have a single thread about the movie without every single post being exactly the same thing these reviews are saying.
>"Yeah the movie was well-made, the acting was good, and the story was."
>"BUH-BUH-BUT I NO LIKE WHITE MAN INCEL ALT-RIGHT NERD UPRISING SO SCAAAAAWWY"
These people get paid to decide the fates of films.
It's not the best movie of all time, it's just on the same level as Hamlet, Rashomon and Ivan's Childhood
Wrong.
>story
>good
It's a rip off of the comedian
Oh look at that the retard found a new way to say "le golden lion XD"
>It's a rip off of the comedian
Pretty sure Watchmen has nothing to do with Joker.
>the comedian
The movie is called The King of Comedy you fucking moron
If you're going to do this shit the least you could fucking do is do it right
You come at the queen you best not miss.
>You come at the queen
>Joker is coming out MONTHS after CM
Based retard consolewarrior.
They aren't even close to comparable
But to be fair neither is Black Panther because that actually got oscar nominations as well as wins unlike Joker which will get neither
Joker's already won an award. Oscar nominations are inevitable since those people don't actually think for themselves, they just follow trends.
>The movie is well made but the ideas it presents scare me on a personal level
>3/10
And right now trends are saying Joker is not getting nominated for jack shit
The choices are Jojo Rabbit, Ford v Ferrari, Ad Astra, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, Marriage Story, Parasite, Honeyboy, The Irishman, Uncut Gems, and maybe Knives Out
Don't forget Captain Marvel
>op cherrypicking reviews
>actually has 75% on RT
>already getting Awards
>negative reviews are just about social politics
Why is everyone replying to this thread as though it's legitimate
>look ma, I posted it again!
Gas ritual OPs.
>And right now trends are saying Joker is not getting nominated for jack shit
Don't know where you're getting your trends. Simply googling "Joker Oscar" gives you multiple articles about Joker being a serious contender for Best Picture. The Oscar buzz is real.
lmao
It only has one worthless award and only a handful of reviews are about politics
But of course you already know that and are just desperate for DC to have some kind of win because you're one of those morons who genuinely thinks Snyder's movies were just too smart for modern audiences
A movie can be technically well done but still not worth recommending to others. Like an action movie that has good action scenes but is so by the numbers it is boring anyway, or a horror movie with good performances all around but it just isn't scary.
You can do that for any movie you fucking moron and most of those articles are more recent than a fucking week ago
This review is so stupid
>If we take away the main concept of the movie, there´s not a lot that´s good about it
What a dumbass
There reviews seem to go beyond that. Instead of saying this is a well made repeat of things we've already seen, the reviewers literally say the ideas the movie presents scare them, which is why they rated it low.
Why are you so angered by the mere idea of ‘Joker’ winning or even being nominated for a few Oscars?
>There reviews
As if we needed more proof you were an idiot
cringe 120 IQ post. imagine being just smart enough that you can rationalise a bullshit excuse for yourself but not being smart enough to realise the intended effect on the majority of people who only look at a score, not the glorified op-ed it's attached to.
Thank you for adding nothing to the conversation.
Why would anyone waste THEIR time conversing with morons?
Why would care enough to comment on a typo?
I don't care who you guys are, but I can tell from here that you're seething.
>half of the reviews are moralfags complaining that the bad white man is bad
If Clockwork Orange came out today these same critics would despise it.
No one cares about your consolewar.
Most of the “negative” reviews aren’t even criticizing the movie itself, just the “message.”
Seriously, how do they get paid to write this?
I can tell you need to gain height.
>trusting people
>The only modern DC movies to get above a 90% are Wonder Woman and Shazam
But audiences are wrong and Aladdin was soulless trash.
>m-most of the negative reviews are actually praising the movie! They just hate it because they are SJWs
This has to be the most pathetic thing you losers have done since the fucking prayer circle for Batman v Superman
>its bad because male power fantasy.
Another Sticks and Stones is it?
>Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and Shazam are the Big Three of the DCEU
An odd surprise, but welcome nonetheless:
They’re not wrong, though.
No see critics are wrong because that's literally the entire point of this thread
>Like an action movie that has good action scenes but is so by the numbers it is boring anyway,
An action movie with good action scenes is not boring even if the story itself is crap.
youtu.be
>Disney releases the hounds
Posting this quote doesn't make you some "holier-than-thou" intellectual.
>75% on Rotten Tomatoes is good
I bet the chump doesn't even know it's an ironic Jay Bauman quote.
To be fair you have to look at it from a DC fans point of view
So you just have to ram your head against a wall several times and then it will start to make sense
>CY+5
>STILL trusting online review sites of any kind
Compared to previous recent DC movies, 75% is really good for them. Also they are getting really attached to the narrative of it being a critical darling, because that validates their "see? BvS was super-kino all along!" fantasies by brand association.
>Europeans love it
>North Americans hate it
Yep, it's kino.
>kino
I think you mean pretentious arthouse trash
If you take away the history of the avengers and the jokes out of endgame turns out all that’s left is cgi action shots and little else.
>pretentious
How the fuck is Joker pretentious?
Who gets the capeshit threads? Co or tv
How isn't it?
Have you read the script? Seen the trailer? Seen the leaked scenes?
It's complete pretentious wank for nearly 2 hours and then ten minutes of things actually happening.
It's mostly the top critics. Mid tier reviews seem to be cool enough to judge the film on their own merits. The top critics seems to largely shitting on the film for social justice reasons. I don't know if the film is actually any good or not, but its annoying to see professional reviewers who probably get paid decent money to do this say stuff like the movie is bad because "male power fantasy".
Pray tell, what are its pretensions?
You have yet to explain how it's pretentious.
>Golden Lion
>worthless
Ameriplebs, everyone.
>heh, whoa dude this movies SO DEEP youre stuck seeing it through his eyes who knows what really happened wow this is kino
Reminder that Ladderbro BTFO himself for eternity
Whatever pretension it is you're seeing, I'm not seeing it.
How do idiots like you even manage to post on this site
Not an argument.
They were right, though. That remake was fucking garbage.
One good acting lead can't carry an entire movie.
>MUH VENOM
Venom was a shitty film, but at least it was entertaining shit.
Neither is that you fucking mental midget
And as Mark Twain famously said "Never argue with Yea Forums. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."
>muh Yea Forums
Obsessed.
Ah yes, the Lion award, the award that, until last month, was best known for being on Shape of Water.
Take your arthouse “award”, shine it up real nice, turn it sideways and stick it right up your candy ass.
The only reason why the Lion award is suddenly so popular and important is because Joker has one and you and three other Warner Babies need to screech about it.
fpbp
>t. buttmad amerishart
Not an argument
Neither is "muh arthouse", but that doesn't stop you.
So neither of you know what "pretentious" actually means.
No, you don't understand. Because it won the Golden Lion that means it's going to win Best Picture at the oscars that we said were worthless after Black Panther won more than any DC movie has or ever will. I mean sure only 2 movies that won the award in the last DECADE went on to be nominated for Best Picture not win ind you just nominated compared to the 14 winners and runner ups of TIFF's People's Choice Award but still it's more important because DC won it
RLM totally doesnt shill marvelshit.
>we
Eat shit and die.
? This is a bad example dude
Not really, Hardy as schizo Brock was entertaining, it only has one good action scene, the villain is shit and all the side characters are boring, they should've used Carnage first and shot the person that suggested drones as action setpieces
Ah yes, please, regal me with tales of the amazingly wonderful movies that I can buy that will have a big gold sticker on it saying “Winner of the covetous Shiny Lino award” that award means as much to me as a Sundance award or a Fucking Razzie. But, I mean, it’s a WB’s DC film, so I guess that automatically makes that award the biggest thing ever eh?
Lmao mad
Golden Lion.
Keep coping MCU pajeet
why do women hate this movie?
Because you have a fair amount of idiots who claim a message is everything and media should raise your kids, especially on this board, and especially when it's something they don't like. You're just seeing critics do the same thing like they've been for years, and it's directed at something you like.
You think Palm d'Or and Golden Lion winners care if they win Oscars?
Oscars are only good to get more money as it's a popularity thing.
>movies have negative reviews
you should be able to Castrate someone's brain, so they don't make stupid posts but go to work or something
They don't decide the fate of films outside some shitty websitr that's losing relevancy the more time passes. The general audience are the ones that decide the fate of a movie.
It’s 75 on rotten tomatoes. And that’s only 8 of the bad reviews. There ar meant more. Also top critic score is 7.11. This movie isn’t kino at all.
Stop fucking memeing you tard, you don't know what you're talking about by the fact you got the name of the movie wrong.
Yes yes yes, quite shallow and pedantic.
I don’t even understand what (((Edelstein))) is trying to say. Is he calling the Joker a nazi?
>yes, trust the newspaper film critics, they know better than you
I’ve seen movies that I liked that critics hated with a burning passion. Whatever “critics” think doesn’t mean anything unless you don’t think for yourself.
DCucks were pushing the fact that Joker was like by critics.
>HAhaha we don’t care about your stupid reviews expect when we do!!! :’(
Pathetic.
I care nothing for your consolewars, ladderbro. I genuinely don’t give a shit what critics think.
Still not an argument, I’m beginning to think these Lion awards only matter to Warner’s Babies now that Joker has one.
>projecting this hard
I’ve cared about the Golden Lion for years. It’s not my issue that you didn’t hear about it until a comic movie won it.
>american "reviewers"
oof
Yo solo quiero sentarme.
RLM are marvel shills.
Americans were right about Fire Walk With Me
I’m pretty sure is a fallacy to begin with your argument with “if you take this aspect away”
Holy fuck, ladderbro autism is going haywire ITT
The idea of DC having a successful movie, and starting the rise of villain-centered movies at that, has him going bonkers.
Having a villain-centric universe is more pathetic than you realize.
>both from without and within
???
As opposed to having a universe of like 30 movies any one 2 memorable villains (The DCEU villains are also awful outside of maybe Black Manta by the pure virtue of being Black Manta)
>The DCEU villains are also awful outside of maybe Black Manta
Dr. Sivana was great.
>It's a male power fantasy
>One of the main plot points is him providing for his mentally ill mother
>One of the scenes is him participating in a worker's rights protest
What the fuck do these reviewers even want at this point?
Him too
You’re still not offering any kind of an argument, sorry that no movie has won that award ever felt the need to advertise the fact. Please, offer me a list of at lest six films that have won a shiny lion and has been shown in various large popular cinemas the world over. Take your time, I imagine doing this kind of research is going to take you a while.
...That's the point of that image. Critics rightly called it a pile of rotting detritus, whereas the plebs ate it up and CLAPPED I CLAPPED AT THE THING I KNOW.
This. Take you're review drama back to your containment board you degenera/tv/ermin
fpbp
Sivana was terrible what the fuck are you talking about? Nothing about Johns' version of Shazam is redeemable.
While I liked manta acting like any villain in the DCEU not named Zod was anything but a wet fart is simply incorrect.
Question for you liberals (I know you flock here)
Are you ever embarrassed by these people? Do you ever secretly cringe?
Holy shit! What is it about this movie that has left-wingers SEETHING? Is it all just the work of the mouse?
>75%
What happened?
He's calling all white men Nazis.
Based
I'm just waiting for the "don't go see this movie, roaming incels will kill you in the theater" shillposts.
>movie glorifies the socially inept bigoted white male that lashes out by shooting up walmarts
gee I wonder why people hate it.
can we go back to maybe possibly trying to have a DC movie universe beyond Batman?
One thing is for sure, if this movie was about a BLM nigga wearing war paint and shooting cops in the face, these same blatant Jews with their blatant Jew opinions would be praising it.
How not, it's a character study
Nah, they would shit on that even harder for the same reason, saying it's encouraging black men to shoot up the place, making light of a serious subject and racist.
well, the joker is a burger so...
Critics are people, user.
When you can't take someone else's opinion differing from yours, you definitely have a problem. Opinions aren't objective facts: not theirs, not yours.
The only objective fact about these reviews is that with 100 in and a score of 76, it's only going down from here.
It's not movie of the year.
Forget it, Jake.
Both of those can fit within a male power fantasy. Quite easily, in fact: being the provider of the household, even for your own mother, is pretty basic Oedipal stuff, while demanding rights at a protest is in itself a power fantasy. In concert with the rest of it, yes, it's reasonable to call it a male power fantasy, unless clown is a gender now.
Ultimately that all this is set within the context of a revenge plot by a man who feels life in general is his enemy does make it a power fantasy, and a male one at that - because he's male.
Compare and contrast with Falling Down (1993) which got similar reactions from the press and is largely forgotten today. It's ultimately not a very good movie; people make implausible choices, there's very obvious use of narrative coincidence to push the story forward, and it relies on the even in 1993 discredited "superpredator" bullshit that informed so many garbage movies of the 1970s/1980s. But it also had a big-name star and was able to ride the controversy to what would today be a $71m domestic take (with the international something like the same on top) even with an R rating, which was impressive. Yet at the heart of it Falling Down is just a male power fantasy, a revenge movie in which all the little things that cause distress or irritation in any ordinary life are the literal fault of specific individuals who are targeted for harassment, terror, or death by the protagonist, who survives by sheer dumb luck. Very much a comic book movie in that sense, and very reminiscent of Joker, which is not at all a comic book movie in any other sense, unless, again, clown makeup is vitally important to you.
> Sarah Kurchak
> "Fan fiction would be better"
Our girl.
>Both of those can fit within a male power fantasy
anything can fit within a "male power fantasy" because the term is defined by people who are deranged by no sense of rational thought.
all it takes to melt a snowflake is contact with matter or energy that raises its temperature one degree above freezing.
a long term business contract to get a paid shill position; the same as game reviewers and publishers, and governments and news outlets.
This is more like a pretty well-made, well-acted, generally good horror movie about demonic possession and exorcism. But the reviewer tanks his score because he's an atheist and doesn't believe in satan.
>drones
Far from Home, am I right?
Because he unironically thinks he's in a war and is a soldier for Marvel. It's unbelievably pathetic.
>RT
>Relevant
What's it going to take for you guys to realize that score has no effect on the Box Office?
FPBP4EVER
Based and Yea Forumspilled
>half the negative critiques are about them fearing the movie will inspire incels to rise-up
If they are legitimately afraid, does that not mean the movie's message about disillusioned people being pushed to extremes has merit? Maybe they should talk about what's wrong with society if it's creating these people and how to fix it instead of hand-waving the movie as an incel power fantasy.
Also
>(((Edelstein))) bringing up Nazis out of nowhere
It's all so tiresome.
You managed to miss the entire goddamn point of Falling Down despite it being all but spelled out for you in the climax.
Nah then they would have to admit abusing white men for shits and giggles because most don't fight back is also wrong. That isn't going to happen.
If you were attempting to sheevpost, you messed up the line. DEWIT better next time.
drop the male and your right. don't act like women don't have these too, if somewhat less often or brutal.
>wah!!! muh batwank
Batman hasn't even gotten his own movie in the DCEU.
While I have yet to see the film, I'm getting some hardcore The Thing/Starship Trooper vibes from the critics because it's really obvouise they don't seem to get the point of the film.
This is kinda like how there are some retards who think Fight Club is bad because they actually think Tyler Durden is meant to be the good guy.
>irresponsibly frames a familiar male power fantasy as a revolutionary act.
My fucking sides.
Say what you will, Thanos never had enough of a cult following to inspire clown world uprising
This is the most common "criticism"unfortunately
>Feminist
>Jews
Yeah I think it will be kino
Isn't all of this just their opinion?
I could go to any malt shop in America and get 15 counter opinions.