What are some stores where Superheroes get BTFO by clever opponents?

Why does Ennis hate Daredevil? He’s not even really a superhero.

Remember that time Punisher got beat up by a little girl?

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Daredevil is the only hero who doesn't act completely stupid in the issue , so he might have a soft spot for him.

if only spidey had some kind of sense that coulve prevented him from getting into this situation in the first place

God, Whedon is such a cuck

>He jacks him off reducing his anger then knocks out bruce, bonus he uses hulks ejaculating penis to knock out captain america
I don't know if you're lying or not seeing how this is Ennis.

t.Ennis

Ennis must be loving this super conservative time we're living in.

Daredevil's an Irish-Catholic street level vigilante, if anything Ennis probably loves him.

It's obviously going to do a flashback after these pages.

I wish Frank would wear the black and white costume more.

God I fucking despise Punisher wank, almost as bad if not worse than Batwank but at least Batman usually works with and likes the other heroes. Frank getting slapped around by Spidey is some of the most satisfying shit when it rarely happens.

Hope you're joking. Ennis is an odd fella politically speaking

Fed Banner a bunch of C4 mixed in with some kind of stew when he captured him, and set it off when he Hulked out.

>Daredevil's an Irish-Catholic

Then why does he shit on Captain America, who also has an Irish background, whose character was also a soldier, and was conceived by a soldier, things he tends to wank off heavily?

Because "Cap is disrespectful to the guys that actually fought in the war".

Even if he did, how would he get off the mines without dying?

Cap is Jewish

not anymore ese

Get them close with webs and then using his hax science knowledge to activate them, I guess? It could be the case that they're designed to blow up anyway if tampered with, but that sounds kinda stupid from a manufacturing viewpoint.

Which is a load of horseshit considering he was created by a guy who served in the military and was well-received by soldiers. Not sure where the fuck that 'disrespect' came from.

assuming the trigger is a a pressure plate? web it down.

Don't ask me, I don't agree with Ennis on a lot of things.

Ennis isn't capable of critical thinking. You can tell by what he writes without an editor.

Cap got to go down as a hero fighting in the war that would go on to change the fate of human civilization. Frank got Valley Forge.

iirc hes standing on the switch but its been a while since i read that dumpsterfire
if he moves his foot it would set them all off
he would have to move his foot to web the switch and they would all go off

Yeah that wouldn't work.

They vary in pressure in some models. So too much or the sudden removal of pressure. The former so that people can't call for help and be saved

Ennis also offended Stan Lee with his Fury MAX comic so in the end the only person disrespecting a WWII vet was him.

he's flexible. he could just bend down and web the plate in the exact position and remove the foot. webs would keep it at it's exact position. webbing is like steel glue right? all he'd need to do is get a bit between the plate and the base to keep it still.

maybe if he just cocooned all the mines in like a foot of web they wouldnt work
i still dont see spidey living in this scenario

That would literally just make Hulk angrier and get Frank killed. If it were some kind of tranquilizer that went off it would make at least some sense.

No chance you could use web (something pressurized which would increase the pressure on contact) to hold something in an EXACT position like that.

The webbing is tough but those are claymores. The ball bearings fly at ridiculous speeds to say nothing of the initial explosions power. Couldn't hold that back.

Ennis has a gigantic ego and can't stand other people with egos, he's been a walking hypocrite his whole life. Read his comics (the good ones) if you like but you can safely turn off your brain whenever he wants to moralize, because you can be damn sure he's got nothing of worth to say.

he could just use his finger to dab the webbing, not web shoot it full blast. it would be the same as welding two metals together. the connection would be solid.

also, if webbing is as strong as steel, im sure 2-3 inches of pure steel could deflect a claymore blast.

>well ennis hates spidey to?
He said he had a soft spot for Spider-Man and him and John McCrea did a short story for Spider-Man's Tangled Web.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man's_Tangled_Web

He also said he had a soft spot for Wonder Woman and even then she's not safe from him poking fun at her. Superman is the only superhero Ennis will respect.

>He said he had a soft spot for Spider-Man
Is that why he made Uncle Ben a faggot in The Boys?

Webbing is not as strong as steel and since when can he "dab" it on? It isn't a liquid adhesive.

>>Spider dragline silk has a tensile strength of roughly 1.3 GPa. The tensile strength listed for steel might be slightly higher—e.g. 1.65 GPa, but spider silk is a much less dense material, so that a given weight of spider silk is five times as strong as the same weight of steel.

so what it makes up for in similar strength, it's 5 times as dense.

>webbing a switch is the same as welding two metals together
come on user you know how hard youre reaching
also an m18 has 1 1/2 lbs of c4 in it
thats gonna beat a few inches of steel

he can control the how fast the webbing comes out? all he'd need to do it to go at the lowest strength so only a small stream pops out. like pissing.

If push came to shove Spider-Man could collapse the fucking ceiling between himself and the explosives. Or toss a tracer on Frank to track him down later, after he thinks he's home free.

but spider webbing can be 5 times as dense as the equivalent steel by weight.

the switch would still detect the change in pressure from the split second between when he moves his foot and when he webs it
i dont think you understand how volatile c4 is user
im not going to spoonfeed you but you should educate yourself

He can but given that it needs to shoot long distances it is calibrated to fire highly pressurized. It can go lower but there;s a floor and it's a lot less than the whisper it would need.

Tensile strength. Claymores explode violently and send pieces of metal flying which punctures.

>He also said he had a soft spot for Wonder Woman and even then she's not safe from him poking fun at her.
>Superman is the only superhero Ennis will respect.

I was just taking the piss, it would be stupid of me to take anything Ennis does with a proxy seriously.

Captain America having an Irish background is a retarded retcon from a couple of years back.
He's a white, Anglo-Saxon protestant named Steven Rogers.

volatility is a term used to define instability, not strength. also, dunno man, it's hard to explain. like if i had a plate attached to a spring and a base. and i welded or managed to keep the plate at a constant depth because i've physically attached it to a anchor.

If Ennis is so in love with military shit how come he never served?

>Daredevil's an Irish-Catholic
>if anything Ennis probably loves him.
I'm getting some mixed signals here.

Are you implying that he likes Frank because he can't believably write a Captain America wartime story that wouldn't involve Steve being incredibly out of character and slicing hundreds of enemy in half with his shield in some kind of final stand scenario?

He's from Northern Ireland.

They weren't actually armed, it was a bluff Frank used to trick him. After getting out Peter berates himself for not realizing it because his spider-sense didn't warn him about them.

I like Punisher but it always comes off as really cringy whenever he fights any kind of super powered opponent, and the writer turns him into some kind of inexplicable keikaku master and who ever he's fighting into a complete retard in order to jerk Frank off. He's just a soldier, not even a super soldier or some kind of super trained secret agent. Honestly you average SHIELD agent should be able to kick his ass pretty easily. Any encounter he has with a super powered character should an issue long struggle just to survive, let alone win. The whole appeal of Frank to me is that he is a normal Dirty Harry style kind of vigilante guy but any time he goes against a super hero they turn him into Murder Batman which defeats the whole point of the character to me. Imagine Charles Bronson beating the shit out Wolverine or Spider-man, that's how stupid this Punisher wank is.

>Stan Lee
>WW2 vet
He never was in combat and jewed himself in pencil pushing

A lot of military fanatics are like that. They like to jerk off to the fantasy of being a soldier but actually joining and do anything about it is too much for them.

oh fuck dude thanks for reminding me
that actually makes me less mad
i still dont see spidey beating a bunch of armed m18 but who cares

>They weren't actually armed, it was a bluff Frank used to trick him
Hold on just a minute, if that's the case then Peter should've been able to tell.
That's how he deals with Mysterio's bullshit half of the time.

STUPID PUNISHER WANK, SPIDEY COULD BEAT HIS ASS ENNIS STOP MAKING MY FAVORITE SUPAHERO A DUMMY NOOOOOOOO HE'S A GENIUS HE'S JUST LIKE ME STOOOOOP

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Ennis is from Northern Ireland you dope

Yeah shame on him for not joining the British armed forces during the Troubles
Cunt

>spray Frank and yank him into the room
>web him into place
>"Tell me how to disarm this or we both die."
Seems easy enough.

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seething spidercuck

good answer desu sempai
this whole comic is about heros being uncharacteristically stupid so frank can frank them though so spidey didnt think of that

>Frank falls into the mines, snapping their tripwires
>both of them die
Thank fuck you aren't Spider-Man

Not familiar with Paddy politics and culture, why is that relevant?

More action than Ennis ever saw at least, lol.

>tripwires
It's just activated via pressure plates under the brittle floorboard. You can see that there's no wires anywhere around Spidey's person.

There was a pretty major civil war there from the 60s until the end of the 90s. If he joined the military he'd be sent to combat groups like the IRA in his home country.

>he loved the military but didnt want to actually risk fighting

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about

You think THAT would make him not wank military that much.

Well why didn't he? He likes sucking off the army so much why not go in? It's not like he supported the IRA.

I've read about the IRA so I can see why he wouldn't join.

>we don't live in the timeline where some mick blew off Ennis' testicles with a manure bomb
He would've wanted it lads.

Aren't those shrapnel based?
Spidey could reasonably avoid most of it, though probably have a really bad time doing so and get a couple metal plates in him for his trouble.
Though didn't they end up being duds anyways and this was a bluff on Frank's part?

you fucking retard, that was addressed by the person you're replying to

Yeah why didn't he sign up to kill or be killed by his neighbours that happen to attend a different church and wish to live under a different government?
I bet it would be a lot of fun.

You're right, I should go to bed.

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Just makes me wonder why he loved jerking off the army so much if he had such a tough time seeing them kill the other Irish. Most people live through times like that tend to come out of it with an at least skeptical view of the army, as opposed to the full throated support Ennis has. Also couldn't he have been assigned somewhere else?

It was. It was all "calculated to keep us off the table" shit that Frank was pulling, and never planned to kill anyone at all. I do wonder what he would have done with himself if the rocket launcher actually did kill Wolverine or if Hulk's reverting to Banner after the explosion actually made his innards regular human, causing him to die of internal bleeding.

700 steel balls, 1/8 inch across.

God I just want a Punisher comic where he's actually out of his league when the organized crime keeps escelating to match him rolling up on their guys with military hardware.

Why can't I just get a comic where he has to deal with someone like Scorpion or Mr. Negatives Inner Demons who he can't just shoot a lot.

They already did that. The Organized Crime Boss was named Norman Osborn and the crime family was named HAMMER. It wasn't so good for Frank, but he got over it.

We really shouldn't allow Ennis to write Punisher unless it's MAX

>Doesnt like seeing his fellows kill the fuck out of eachother
>Love the army

You are some special kind of retarded eh?

as far as I can tell, he doesn't actually hate Spider Man as much as he some does some characters, he just tends to write him like some annoying idiot kid brother who thinks he's much funnier than he actually is. I don't think he does this out of malice, it's just how he thinks the character would come off as in a more realistic setting.

What makes Spidy so bullyable?

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There was a Ben expy in The Boys?

Those are claymores. They're basically giant shotguns. They don't get you with the shock wave. He could pretty easily just web them all onto their fronts/backs and lift his foot off the pressure plate while bounding as far away as possible. He can jump at like half the speed those things fling projectiles so he ought to be able to outpace any ricochets. If he wanted to be extra careful, he could fish for them all at his leisure, aim them somewhere they'd be unlikely to ricochet/cause collateral damage, and then step off the trigger.

He has perfect balance so holding his foot steady isn't an issue.

Alternatively, he busts out the web shield and doesn't give a fuck.

Also, Peter can just hold the pressure plate at height using his cling powers and perfect balance and just dump a web cart on it. Stuff's basically quick drying glue.

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There was that one time Frank tried to run away from Thor by tricking him into going into a terrorist home base, and Thor was clever enough to take out all of them in one page, before punching Punisher right in the face.

Is that what you meant?

fuck this art and coloring. Spidey looking like his costume is made of small orange reflective plates instead of fabric. Eye shape is all wrong. Its always triggered me when they do that shit

I was really hoping for shit like your pic in the Insomniac game. Or at least being able to place a web in a doorway as a trap.

Because he's anti-war

This, Punisher vs Daken and Punisher vs Professor Hulk are my favorite Punisher fights

He could crush the pressure plate mechanism, with his tremendous strength that always ignored until he needs to catch a falling car, thereby jamming it

That's why the one run with him in an eyepatch is so great. Was it Rucka? Spidey just gets tired of Frank's shit and absolutely wrecks him in a fight, Frank manages to get away with a well-placed hand grenade but isn't wearing six feet of plot armor.

And Daredevil gets a great speech picking apart Punisher's worldview.

Ennis grew up during the Troubles, which has a lot to do why he hates Daredevil.

>he loved the military but didn't want to join a foreign army and be seen as an invader by his own countrymen
Fixed.

Claymores are essentially a block of c4 (can't immediately remember the amount off the top of my head but I want to say 1.2 pounds) with a shitload of ball bearings packed in front of it. They make one hell of an explosion, enough to make your teeth jump around in your skull even like 30 meters away. I don't think his webs could stop it

Based Frank.

I can't decide if picrel is the biggest frankwank ever or a best fight in this understanding

what the fuck?

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The never ending confidence and determination, yet hes a little frail twink

>Punisher vs Daken
Punisher getting murdered to shit was hilarious
One of those "what really would happen to a psycho with a gun" moments
I imagine being a fan is like being an edgy fan of Squirrel Girl

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Good, punisher is a fag, and so are his fans.

I don't see how this is going to help him with the mine he already stepped on

>Frank fucking Castle
>not being a suicidal nutjob

He'd go out with a smile, knowing the explosion would also take care of the guy he is looking for since he filled a room with explosive, the entire build would go down.

Look.at the floor, and the wiring.
Punisher is bluffing.

Which is also what is happening in the issue.

Which means Spider-Man's spider-sense would not be going off.

Ennis is a bad writer with obvious, juvenile fetishes.

No, it was just a thing that the Legend said.

But that wouldn't actually work. He'd still become the Hulk, except now he's pre-pissed.

Spidey's webs are strong enough to hold up vehicles, I'm pretty sure he can just web up Frank and all the mines in a few seconds.

True, but claymore mines also have a backblast area. Standing right behind them makes you just as dead as the guy in front of them. If they go off, there's gonna be two fatalities in that room.

>Punisher's war journal: Hhhhhhhh...

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That littler girl can throw a godzilla expy into space

Daredevil is Marvel's Batman, not punisher.

Marvel's second Batman is Moon Knight.

And third is that black Batman Marvel has that I forgot the name of. (NO not Black Panther. Some Z list character)

Punisher has nothing in common with Batman and no losing parents at a young age does not count since that's a common denominator for many superheroes.

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You mean Night Trasher?

Ennis hates all super heroes, except Superman

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Their actual batman is nighthawk and all of the heroes laugh at him for being so pathetic.

Sweet Charity.

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Wouldn't his hammock dissolve in an hour?

At least punisher and batman get put in their place once in a while.

The real cancer is capwank.

The irony being that he was created and written by a pair of men who actually DID serve in the European theater, yet Ennis himself has never even volunteered.

Actually, heavily webbing up the mines WOULD work; he can web up someone’s gun and completely stop a bullet from firing due to the web’s tensile strength, and covering up bombs with webbing to lessen the blast is something he’s done before, after which point he’s more then fast enough to escape the room.

Actually I think Kingpin tried this literal tactic one come to think of it, and Spidey did exactly that to get away.

Actually it would work.
Spidey basically was put in a situation like this once already by Kingpin and webs and reflexes saved him.

I fail to see how a crazed vigilante whose idea of paradise is eternal warfare is in any way respectful to the men who fought in Vietnam.

Ennis is a fucking clown, and the shit of it is, I would give him a pass on all his edgy nonsense if he would just admit that he's doing it for the sake of contrarianism.

Gratuitous shit like The Boys and even Punisher MAX at times isn't more realistic or grounded than the usual superhero fare. It's just as over the top in the other direction.

C4 isn't at all volatile. It's the exact opposite. It straight up won't go off without an electrical detonator. You can set it on fire or even put a round into it and it won't go off.

I fail to see why we should respet peole who wento to another nation to firebomb people.
>oh but murdering kids and raping left them so traumatized

There's a big difference between having a character win by being clever, and having a character win because the writer made his opponent lose half his IQ for the sake of a "cool" scene.

He probably used some special web mix for that occasion or he just replaces it after some time.

What did Prof. Hulk do to him?

Fuck you Nighthawk (Kyle Richmond) is a total bro

Spiderman clubbing people with Web-Bat when?

the best thing about Yea Forums virgins crying about Ennis is the fact they've never actually read any of his work and assume his entire work resume is Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe

I've read Preacher, The Boys, Punisher MAX, Hellblazer, Jimmy's Bastards, and some issues of Crossed. I'd say I'm pretty familiar with his work resume.

Wouldnt his spider sense warn him?

>if you don't like something, you must be ignorant of it
I wouldn't expect to find a Steven Universe defender in this thread.

It probably works by sensing the intent to kill coming from the villains, berries don't have anythin like that. They're just berries.

His spider-sense literally tells him which random brick to not web onto when he swings. It works on anything that's even the slightest danger.

Stuff like this makes Spider-Man into a Green Lantern.

>i don't feel so good

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>hes a little frail twink
This is a modern trait that I don't appreciate. I guess it was conceived to try and pay homage to Ditko but he'd already grown in stature with Romita's stint. I wish that'd been left alone.

Women prefer pretty boy twinks like Peter to roidheads like Frank.

Punisher is lusted after by gay men.

I'm sure that every single soldier that served in Vietnam was a murderer and a child rapist

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It's pretty clear that most people here HAVE read his work and know what Ennis thinks when it comes to superheroes.

>objective is to kill all the "bad guys"
>just kills spider-man
>"good enuf fer me!
galaxy brain

"Intent to kill" is an anime meme.

Greg Rucka's run Punisher (Punished Punisher) was best Punisher.

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Is he the ideal father?

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maybe in the next one

That's some desperation there, shill

>No laser tripwire
>Not even regular tripwire
Even if they would activate, they should already, unless they activate in different spot that is not the crossfire point of all claymores.

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>Pushing the guts back into the belly of his daughter.
Maybe?

>punisher
>clever
eugh

Not the best father but the best godfather. So basically he comes in and does the dirty work so your parents don't have to.

I first read that as "Punishing her guts back into her belly"

Shit comics where Punisher has plot armor rivaling Batman's

Seething. Frank is based.

This is lame. If a normal person's gonna kill a superhero, it should be expressed just how HARD it is; having someone play 4d chess and be all "you fell for my jojo-esque trick" just makes it feel cheap. It should feel tense, like at any moment if things don't go just the right way you're freaking dead. I know punisher doesn't get scared or anything, but I think that's why him or deadpool killing superhumans feels cheap.

Yes he is

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Can’t say I like this but it sort of works. Assuming the setup is live, the moment Frank tells Peter about the claymores he is not in danger, just as if it’s a bluff. Even then, should Peter use some awesome Spider tactic to survive he’s risking a lot of other people’s lives. And even if we count on Frank not killing innocents, Frank knows that Peter won’t risk those other lives.

How would Ennis have Punisher humiliate Deadpool?

>Deadpool
>humiliate
he already does that himself, and now that i think about it they're a bit more similar than either would realize, they'd make a pretty entertaining duo

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You mean this? Total OOC just to make DD Waid's mouthpiece. Waid is just as autistic as Ennis, albeit on the different end of the spectrum.

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>Imagine Charles Bronson beating the shit out Wolverine or Spider-man, that's how stupid this Punisher wank is.
Bronson got wanked pretty hard in the Death Wish sequels desu.

How has no one posted the one where Deathstroke just tucks his sword under his arm knowing The Flash likes to attack from behind and stabs him instantly?

Because Catwoman beating 3 Flashes has completely overshadowed that in terms of bullshit.

Ennis writers a Punisher/Batman crossover, what happens?

It fucks up sometimes, but only when it won't kill him.

No, he's talking about a decent one instead of the "lol i trip u" one.

Both are bullshit

Are you kidding me? Flash doesn't just go fast, he perceives fast. No way in hell he didn't have time to react to it.

One's less bullshit than the other.

Frank kills Joker, then kills Batman for not killing Joker and thus indirectly causing the deaths of thousands of innocents.

Yeah that's why I said the more bullshit one overshadowed the other. Still complete bullshit.

You said a third thing was more bullshit than either.

Less of a manace.

Fucking LOL

No, I didn't, that's not how English works.

He is a fundamentally jewish creation, user didn't mean the character himself is jewish

Source?

Why are Americans so pathetic?