Post'em
Cute Yea Forums boys
/ss/bros, how do we stop the fujostacy menace?
A shota is a shota
This one is my favorite
best boy
My husband
He's the ugliest kid I ever seen.
i wish i could be his cute shota boyfriend
What do you guys think of Nu-Dib?
Only if he's gay.
None of these guys actually look cute in their normal art style.
He was really cutified compared to the show and while I like him, Im not sure I like the idea behind changing him
Kyle isn't, but the rest are
false
Max is for choking
Dib is pure moe his series design very much isnt though
He's either for hugging or dicking no inbetween. You have to be direct with this kind of brat. Choking is kind of lukewarm
Choking is perfect for him because he just won’t shut the fuck up and listen.
/ss/ is brash and senseless fap wank for straight guys to self-insert as the boy while the focus is on the female.
Boys work better with other boys, preferably older boys. Both boys are appreciated in all forms, and it's more about appreciating the relationship as a whole.
What about his comic design?
You don't.
How can you not like gay Ben?
/ss/ is prime bisexual fap material. No self-insertion needed anywhere, or you can self insert as both characters at the same time if you wanted to.
Wrong
>Boys work better with other boys, preferably older boys
i agree with you except for this
boys work best with boys around their age
an adult man and a boy is almost as gross as a girl and a boy
have you considered that perhaps some men just don't like women at all?
>have you considered that perhaps some men just don't like women at all?
Yeah obviously. This doesn’t make gay shota superior to /ss/ or vice versa. A true patrician appreciates it in all forms.
shota/loli is almost always boring though
Come on you can't beat this
shota-loli is top tier when there's an adult man involved as well. bi shotas are underrated as fuck
It’s pretty great, I will admit
Why?
i'm not capable of appreciating /ss/ because seeing gross old women when i'm trying to look at cute shotas makes me angry
>getting off to gross adult men fucking kids
disgusting
Just let Bart be gay already, Weisman.
It's even canon.
See
His movie design is straight up lifted from the comics, its the same. The show's one is the different
BEST BOY
He... actually did get older huh. When I first saw the series I thought he looked the same and that that was a plothole, but seeing it side to side its obvious he got bigger
The show's entire dark aesthetic a lot was changed to be cuter (incluiding the designs of everyone but Zim) to more abroadly appeal to everyone. I feel that the spirit behind the style change in the series undermined some of its old elements to make it for everyone. Im not talking about the theme or plotline fo the movie vs episodes, Im only talking about the visuals
Good taste
Holy crap. Dib is cute.
Just fucking get over it
Wholesome.
Is it really canon?
Fuck fujos and fuck /ss/.
Cute boys should become cute girls for masculine men (Such as myself).
I'm not gay.
boyish shotas >>>>>>>>>>>>>> traps
Would you kiss a tied up Marco?
>cute boys should become cute girls
so basically ruin everything that makes them cute?
>for masculine men (Such as myself)
i bet you're 5'4" and have never picked up a weight in your life
in conclusion: kill yourself before your own mother's eyes.
this thread needs more cute south park boys
but especially kyle
This is a fetish for them, isn't it?
Yep and for me too
>masculine men
>Such as myself
i want to hug him
Stop, you’re going to turn me into a Dibfag. I don’t even watch Invader Zim.
Well he's more traditionally cute in the comics and movie, but tv show Dib is sort of ugly cute
>starting to feel guilty for thinking boys other than kyle are cute
am i in too deep?
We dont. We unite and fight the greater evil
Wrong. You lose the minute you give him any attention. Max is for ignoring and neglecting!
What anime is this?
This.
Obviously meant choking while dicking, user.
kimochi warui
Am I in the minority for not thinking Dib is cute at all? I mean its fucking Dib. Not only is he ugly, his personality in any physical form is a repellent. Do I have to actually be gay or a femoid to understand?
see this artist takes inspiration from Simon
Why is Steven so underrated?
I’m not into chubby ones, personally
The movie made him objectively adorable
Why does he look like Phoenix Wright here?
I just want a season 2 or 3 that ends with him being adopted into a happy family with Gaz
He's not all that chubby anymore
Still has a pig nose
nah fuck off
I WANT TO CUM INSIDE FINN SOOOOO MUCH
He looks hypnotized
>hypnotized boys
Anyone have pics?
>no cute chubby Yea Forums boys that are NEVER for lewd
Let’s fix that
He’s cuter as a chubby shota
>an adult man and a boy is almost as gross as a girl and a boy
Definitely not as gross, but when I mean older I just mean older teen or college-age.
I can't ship Maxvid as an example because I feel like David is a bit too much over the limit
this, bring me back s1 stevo
Pilot Steven is cuter
Movie Steven is actually the cutest. Though I do like his original shirt better.
>Cute boys should become cute girls for masculine men (Such as myself).
>I'm not gay.
youtube.com
/ss/ is should be considered a crime.
I want him to cuddle me, I like his arms.
Thoughts?
He has cute boyfriends
>Cute boys should become cute girls
I think you mean they should dress the same.
>he self inserts
Imagine having such low IQ and EQ
Me too
Where does Movie Steven fall under?
Hes not a chub anymore so he is shit
I want Bipper to sit on me while I am on my fours and whisper things he would do to me.
does it involve his feet?
People who prefer anime-esque fanart versions of their favorite characters are weak.
Depends in the original artstyle and how it meshes with anime-esque style desu.
If it won't I will turn the tables on him and he won't like it (I will though).
You’re still weak
Nah.
What am I if I'm into on-model South Park R34?
>not getting off to the added suffering of the cute shota that the old man fucking him provides
pic related
I appreciate him, he's soft and squishy and sensitive, plus he cries easily
wtf we're not talking about rape
I'm talking about dubcon, try to keep up
does he? i thought it was more of an 'interested but confused' face
oh, that's not as bad. still, shotas are for other shotas.
l-lewd
i don't like shotas to suffer
i like them to be happy
>i don't like shotas to suffer
>i like them to be happy
shit taste
why do you want to watch little boys cry, user?
wouldn't you rather see them smile?
I like to see myself or my abuser in them so for the first option I can relate and it's cathartic while for the second option I have all the power on him and can get back what I lost
t. female coomer
This
damn dude, i'm sorry that happened to you
You can’t “get back what you lost” by inflicting suffering on others, you aren’t gaining anything from it besides a sick high, not your innocence or whatever. You’re just making things worse for others.
Shotas are for love and happiness
It's not my fault
That’s based
And can you prove that? Most people that are abused inflict that same abuse on others. Clearly they know something you dont. A million rapists cant be wrong.
I'm talking about fiction user get a grip, these "others" I'm inflicting pain on do not exist
I know that, I’m just saying it logically doesn’t hold up. >Inb4 no fetish makes sense
They can usually be rationalized or explained.
Ok I dare you to explain the fart fetish in the other thread. or feet
why koreans always draw the same face?
No, you need to keep up.
We aren’t talking about men raping boys. PERIOD.
jeez go back to twitter with that "period" shit princess, this board was cool once
Just quit your bitching
don't get brave user you know the show is on my side
Which side is that, though, exactly?
are you lost?
You just haven’t really explained yourself.
You can ship Rick and Morty without it being rape
>You can ship Rick and Morty without it being rape
it would still be statutory rape user, besides why would I do that
Statutory rape and physical, brutal rape are two very, very explicitly and implicitly different things user.
and why does the latter bother you so much user? is there something you wanna tell us?
Wtf faggot? You support rape?
>t. nigger
Jealous that women can actually get shota cock and get away with it?
sometimes Yea Forums is alright.
Bette than femshit
Is that first one not pretty obvious?
Tweek is cute! CUTE!
They still get jail time usually, just don’t get the same meme reactionary response.
Braps protect your brain from dementia, alzheimers, and such. If I remembered where I saved the pasta with links I'd post it but you can do your own research.
Footfags are psychopathic lustmurderers.
Guess that explains Tarantino
nah, i'm just into women. don't like them sexually or romantically. they kind of annoy me.
Just so strong. Guess that’s a weakness of mine.
it's not my fault its so hard to find on-model south park stuff
God damn all of you quit arguing and just post pictures of cute boys that you like. Shotas are for shotas, men, /ss/, loving, lewding, raping, protecting, whatever you want. They are what they’re supposed to be: illusions of your fantasy. All dots and lines that speak and say
“What we do is what you wish to do.”
You'll think it’s so mysterious. Don't take it all too serious. Be original, and remember that what they do is what you just can't do.
>Braps protect your brain from dementia, Alzheimer's, and such.
No way this is actually true.
>shota feet
Yum
If it is I know what I’m into now
Dipper is forever my eternal Yea Forumsking. There are some Yea Forumsprinces I don’t mind serving either though.
>There are some Yea Forumsprinces I don’t mind serving either though.
like who?
Supreme taste. I also fine with some other characters, but no one will ever come as close to being the top boy as Dippy.
Friendly reminder that you can have only ONE Yea Forumstouto
Well since SP is here so much, I do like Stan and Clyde. As for others I need to think since there is so many Yea Forumss
But why?
>Stan and Clyde
nice
Cute!
Behold.
The boy that will win the 2019 cute-bowl.
Varian.
kylefags are as annoying as kyle himself huh
He's kinda chub
Hello Yea Forums, do you wanna see what a 4/10 shota looks like?
Alright, post one
I'm waiting
But Lincoln is a 4/10
He’s a 3/10, get your facts straight
Bling Bling is a 3/10, what are you on?
Refined and top tier shota comic coming through!
Interesting
Check out Devil's Candy, it's a top tier shota breeding ground
Bling Bling has Charisma which bumps him up.
Submissive bitch boys makes my dick harder than diamonds
I-is he really coming back?
>tfw even a fat fuck like Bling Bling can make it because he has confidence and isnt afraid to be himself
Who is more of a submissive bitch?
The only difference is Dipper is a 7
Dipper probably
"My sweet, submissive subject..."
Dipper is a 10, Lincoln is more of a 6 or 7.
I would pledge my fealty to King Kevin.
What
We could do a voting for best Yea Forums boy but I wouldn't want /ss/fags to try and pair them up with whoever is winning that ms. Yea Forums comp
Hold the vote at a separate time I guess to keep the shotas pure from roasties.
Mmm briefs
Would Ishiwatari even get away with Bridget now considering he's basically just an awkward crossdresser played for laughs?
Wirt. Fuck off with all of those shit tier boys.
No u.
You first
>He doesn't ship Dipper and Wirt
You don't.
You accept that shotas have way better relationships and move on.
I ship Dipper and me. But besides that I also like him with Robbie, even if Robbie has to be a bit out of character to make it shine.
i don't think he's a kylefag user
but i am
kyle is the opposite of annoying, i'd love to listen to him talk about stuff all day
this would be a good idea. also just ignore the /ss/fags, they attempt to ruin every good shota thread. fortunately they can't just spam /ss/ porn on Yea Forums like they do on Yea Forums when they want to kill a thread.
The cute boys are the only interesting part of Devil's Candy.
Seriously Rem, drawing boys this cute and not doing anything lewd with them is a waste of talent.
Raisins but for shotas when? It could be a Chippendales parody, which would actually be just like the real Chippendales parody Im not going to mention.
Is this Morty's boyfriend?
There already is something similar an artist is doing on baraag called Peckers. It basically has the same uniform, which kind of disappointed me cause I would have preferred a more masculine uniform fitting for a boy instead of a girl.
Meh, looked it up and the uniform just doesnt work. Wouldve been better if somehow they made it based on scout uniforms, which are severely underrated imo.
He's Ace from ballmastrz 9009
Well why not ship him with Morty?
this but the shorts should be shorter
I was thinking a jockstrap, for sure and the rest of the attire can be altered slightly depending on the shota. My ideal shota version of Hooters would have them in athletic shoes, jockstrap, and either shirtless or with a tank top.
for some reason i'm not really a fan of jockstraps. if they're gonna be in underwear, how about briefs?
i really, really like shotas in short shorts though.
Yes, he's been announced by both his voice actor and the creator of the show, Chris himself.
>Implying she hasn't drawn lewds but keeps them to herself because she fears backlash despite half of all the fans demanding it
Briefs are good too as quintessential shota underwear. I just love jockstraps because the extra lewd and active-wear connotation.
they have their own thread and they still try to shit up everything with their roastie worship.
really tight briefs can be pretty lewd too
yep. it's irritating.
how bad idea would be publishing the lewds under a pseudonym that claims to be able to recreate her art style?
>they have their own thread
where?
halfway to knee length would leave an ideal AT field
It would be a great idea
They can be but still need to fit just right, too tight and they just wind up looking like thongs anyway and become obviously specialized. Which I think works against the shota innate cuteness and lewdness.
Based and Dippilled
We like the Rowdy Ruff version better.
>Ace giving confidence and positivity to Morty
Could work
Am I the only one who likes gay shota and /ss/ equally?
Based Dipperchads.
>tfw kyle will never hug you tightly when you're sad and try to make you feel better
why even live
I like them both, but I'm far more picky about gay shota
No, there's also me.
Well, Yea Forums?
What happened to /sm/ on 7chan?
>404 not found
Must be Russia again.
>he'll never make you worship his sweaty feet
7chan.org
Apparently a faggot refugee from 8gag reported the board with the hosting provider and they shut it down.
Damn what the hell
Don’t worry, it usually comes back. Some retard occasionally tries to report it for triggering them.
Rare boys
Same with Randy Cunningham
Son of a bitch
My vote is for short shorts. Absolutely short shorts.
Scout uniform would be great. Any kind of traditional the uniform really. A sailor one would be cute, if that ain’t too anime. This is a stupid example, but something like the Scoops Ahoy uniform in Stranger Things could be good.
You queers are welcome on enrive if you can pass the plebfilters.
Spencer was distractingly cute
>when an artist draws shotas with the bodies of voluptuous black pornstars
bro why
Is that Cartman's dick or balls?
What about hypnotized boys and/or boys doing the hypnotizing?
too old
Hot.
Pics?
Yet bears no mention?
or whatever evil Morty would do.
pls don't post this ever again
Old lookin face
>>camp camp
>>south park
>>rick and morty
>>steven universe
Thank God for Dipper, the rest of the shota world has contracted down to crap. We need fresh shotas.
So we’re out Chans 7 and 8, we’re down to Shotachan, Baraag, and Pixiv. Any place else? I still miss not4chan.
/coq/
It’s pretty dead at /coq/.
Nobody else is gonna post there for you.
He looks like he'd be good for Peter B. Parker
Thanks, you were a lot of help! Why don’t you kill yourself?
Already did. Get on my level, bitch.
For me, it's Dipper hypnotized to think and act like Mabel
Fuck you
Shipping him certainly is fun.
The only good ships for Dipper are either Pacifica and Norman.
Anything else is just either ok or meh.
Also Wirt is for Funderberker or someone his age, user.
That's Damian for you.
>shipping Dipper with anyone
>not monopolizing him all to yourself
Okay, I can only close my eyes if it's Mabel. We could share Dipper with each other, taking turns with him. And then he is still mostly mine.
Second
Where did this outfit come from lol
Not that user, but I'll join in
The lack of a proper board list is my biggest complaint with that site.
I wanna join him in being hypnotized to think and act like Mabel.
Fuck off, Parapinecone. Dipper is for Mabel only.
No one can say no to such "assets".
You're right. I can't say no.
It's all natural.
If you can't appreciate South Park for its shota perfection then you don't deserve anything else either
kek you're dumb
South Park is ugly and makes for ugly shotas. You have to go full Yea Forumstard to make those brats palatable.
beat up every fujoshit you found
They are cute. They have cute big eyes. Cute bellies with some babyfat. Cute voices. Cute personalities.
They are simple not ugly.
Fuck off, /ss/ fag.
Cringetaste
>F*males at all
Nope.
I love Dib!
They're still cute in the original style.
yeah, especially when i ship him with me
based and south park shota pilled
Beast Boy is good
Here's your first canon gay shota couple in a kid cartoon series, bros.
ugly
Ruined!
Who's that between Conner and BB?
They look like cute little babies
Everyone should
they don't look like babies
>fujoshi
>being into /ss/
Do you even know what "fujoshi" means?
Shut up kylefag i'm getting real sick of you
You haven't forgotten them, have you anons?
They are even canon gay
There are actually fujos into that. Fujos is just an umbrella term for women with taboo fetishes, with BL being face of it
>no OTGW
>no Ballmatrz
>doesn't appreciate South Park
This is a peak brainlet post
get used to it because i'm not going anywhere
We posting husbando charts now? Also great taste, especially with Bart, Hiro, and Jack.
Yuri Plisetsky from the anime "Yuri on Ice."
The image AnonAnim did of them is kino. We need more canon gay shotas.
While Dipper is top tier there’s no need to be a rude ass hat.
Just don't post that shit here
No it's not you mong
I think we all ship him with you
Yes it is you mong
Why is that interesting to you?
aww
thats very sweet of you
It's not an umbrella term. journal.transformativeworks.org
learn to read, he's saying the opposite
Bart is best boy.
Wait does someone being into straight and gay shota immediately out them as a femoid?
no.
i like gay shota and i'm a guy
straight shota is garbage though
kek you just proved it right. I said likes gay AND straight, not or.
Pretty low-tier thread this was with a lot more casual Tumblrgirl tastes than usual.
>Zagtoon was making a show called "Transylmaniak" 5 years ago
>Had cute af vamp boi
>Got mysteriously fucking cancelled
>No Sheldy
How dare you all.
These threads are always shit and so is Kevin
>says that
>posts supernoobs
Yeah ok.
Every single female is a fucking whore.
Every last one.
They fuck other guys so males like you can pick up the scraps at the end of her life.
Females are mindless creatures. They don't think. They don't have feelings. They're objects.
All
Women
Are
Whores
Every single last one, every single girl you've ever met is a whore. And you're going to settle for those used goods.
How does it feel to know that your girlfriend has fucked other guys? Enjoy dating another man's discarded cumhole.
Cringeposts abound.
You're ugly and you smell bad
I'm more into Yea Forums shotas, but since shotafags are rare there I come here instead. I'm posting whatever Yea Forums related thing I can find.
Also don't reply to the massreplying shitposter or your favorite boy will die in his sleep.
No u
this is why /ss/ is garbage boys belong with each other
Literally it’s not stop fucking talking about shit you don’t know about you stupid Amerimutt
Japan doesn’t have umbrella term for ”taboo fetishes” because not every country is like USA
okay
i don't care about women, they are irrelevant to me
all that matters to me is kyle
There needs to be more goth/emo boys in cartoons
I wish I was a woman. Would actually be able to find someone to stick with me. Gay guys are incapable of monogamy.
fuck off tranny
like you know anything about that you neet
I'm never going to transition. Just saying women have it easy.
I'm too much of a slut to be a neet. I have already had bareback sex in the triple digits. Thank God for PrEP and penicillin.
>slut wondering why no one wants to stay in a monogamous relationship with them
because he is a fucking pig
The fact that the crew had to reveal him already before of the airing of Season 3 in order to make people watch it makes me so mad.
They truly don't deserve this show.
>comdotgame.com
Thoughts?
It's just fanservice
Too old to be considered shota.
i wish i knew where to find on-model art of kyle
nswf pics on model had a whole thread on the now defunct eightchin.
damn i wish they hadnt shut that down
I'm not talking about the character getting in costumes.
I'm talking about his return.
This is a really cute design, I'm guessing it didn get approved because it seems too weighted towards appealing to girls. Just the look of it makes me think boys wouldn't be into this. Cute though.
I’d be surprised if no one saved them or uploaded them elsewhere. Or if there isn’t some kind of archive of it.
You can find that stuff on paheal
cute
i like his shorts
That art style looks so familiar...I think the artist originally had a deviantART.
damn, why couldn't this have been made
Same. That's the cutest looking cartoon I've seen in a long time.
Why would you assume we're women?
>fujo
Fucking christ. No. Fujo means women that are into Yaoi/BL/MlM pairings.
Let’s be honest, there aren’t any really good gay ships for him elsewhere.
Engage in sexual intercourse
Your the only fucker bringing race things into this shit. Stop it, get a brain
boys deserve to be played with and abused by women
Julia is that you?
Probably debatable.
>imgur.com
Further thoughts?
Sorry. I’m mostly complaining that we’re not getting new cute shotas anymore. The drawing styles are ugly now. This threads hung up on Dib because that’s the first new cute design in ages, and he’s an old character. It stinks.
That, and all the censorship. /coq/ is now the last chan board for gay shota, and it’s painfully slow. We’re fading away.
AnonAnim draws wieners funny. They look all wrong.
It's canon Ben loves dicks.
It's a shame theres so little content with this cutie.
Nice one.
You ain't looking in the right places, gooks love him
Need more briefs
I wonder if he was jealous of Craig and Tweak in that episode.
But Stan!
Sevenchin is probably combing back, the board just goes down sometimes because of retards. And baraag is great for hosting a lot of shota artists
Needs more shotadom
I don’t know, I feel like Stan works with like the whole cast.
Well Stan is so good I can see him being with a lot of characters. He’s be hot shipped with several SP boys.
Does the creator no longer have the rights to this? The designs are so cute I'm sure they could have had modest success pitching this as a graphic novel series to Scholastic. Scholastic might have been amenable, little girls would have loved it.
David Gilson
Id have to go with Stan/Clyde desu
The Bichon guy? You’re right, I can see it.
Hell, I’m still holding out hope for a full frontal Bichon.
Do you know if there's an English translation of Bichon available online? Thank you in advance.
No, I’ve never seen one. It’s not hard to follow, you can feed any challenging words through a translator site.
The third book’s not as good, but one and two have nice moments.
Do we ship him with old Dib?
Sure
commit suicide.
dunno about kyle, but i sure would have been
styde is a rare ship, i don't think i've ever seen art of it.
This thread is the most South Park gay art I've ever seen in my life.
thanks, i'm doing my best
also /cm/ has regular south park threads, lots of cute gay stuff there
Delete this
One of the Alien Force episodes IIRC had a mcguffin which duplicated Ben and brought out different parts of his personality, one of which was gay.
I didn't even know that board existed.
Are you the one posting self inserts with Kyle?
nah, i've never drawn any self-insert stuff (i can't draw) and i don't wanna bother the drawfags. might commission something soon though.
Big if true. Do you remember which episode is that?
>I didn't even know that board existed.
As a /cm/ regular, I feel offended for being forgotten.
Alien Force wasnt made by Man of Action and isnt canon.
This is better now that its confirmed hes a gay Ventrie vampire
I need a link badly it sound too good to be true
It's an official series soooo
Cody was ruined after the redesigns. Well, everyone was, but Cody's design got softened pretty badly.
Have you been to actual South Park threads?
Love BB, wish his Go version got more lewds and art though. I just think the chibi is cute
Needs to get to the bump limit
No I have not.
What about the reverse?
Those threads are usually nearly nothing but South Park gay art
Are you all seriously boy crazy?
That shit annoys me
They can't accept the SP characters for who they are, it has to be this fanart that's wildly inaccurate in order to show any affection. They don't truly love them
Depends. Do you work for the government?
Oh come on its not that bAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH
Middle one is the best design.
Not the government but for NBC- I-I mean no I'm not associated with anyone else
I cannot think or comprehend of anything more fulfilling than having a son. Honestly, think about it rationally. You are feeding, clothing, raising and rearing a boy for at least 18 years so that the world might experience a radiant bundle of happiness and love. All the hard work you put into your beautiful little boy - reading him stories at bedtime, making him go to sports practice, making sure he had a healthy diet, educating him, playing with him. All of it amplifies the joy everyone he meets shall experience when he greets them and takes precious time from his day to make theirs a little better.
Raised the perfect boy? Great. Who benefits? Everyone. Strangers on the street get a friendly bystander that will wish them well, the homeless will get a wealthy and intelligent boy that runs shelters to feed them and find them honest work to get off the streets. The lucky man who marries him will get the perfect partner, and you'll benefit from gaining a second child in his spouse, one who will be a dear friend that thanks their lucky stars you raised such an astounding man.
As a man who has a son, you are LITERALLY dedicating at least 20 years of your life simply to grant your wondrous, miraculous son and all the people around him a better life. It is the ULTIMATE AND FINAL reward. Think about it logically
>The lucky man who marries him
top kek
>The lucky man who marries him will get the perfect partner
Caught me off guard. Saved.
Okay, now this pasta edit is epic.
He's so ugly and that disgusting yellow skin. Gag me with a spoon
not true
i love kyle even in his on-model appearance
in fact i think he's cuter that way
it's just hard to find on-model fanart
especially fanart that isnt lewd
kyle isnt for lewds
I want to lock him in a basement and see him trying to redeem me, acting oblivious like someone who is stuck in a toxic relationship
"user didnt really meant that! Besides i can endure it, im the one whos guilty here..." etc
>max and dib
Gr8 taste, but this thread needs tko too.
Good thread, Yea Forums. See you later on Mr. Yea Forums's contest.
New thread soon?