What does Yea Forums think of Rebecca Sugar? Hack? Genius?

She’s pretty great

Everyone says that show is good objectively, but Steven really resonates

SU has the best sci fi concepts I have ever seen while FiM has pretty decent fantasy

would you say she's the george lucas of modern cartoons?

Not that user but he clearly has no idea what he's talking about. Sounds like that user is headcannoning and butthurt that Sucrose didn't take his ideas on board.

She drew Ed, Ed and Eddy porn back in the day so.....

But she's pro everything so that makes it ok.

Great ideas but no consistent delivery. Also choosing the worst people for redemption, besides Peridot who still has the best arc before memedot took over

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somewhat of a complicated question if your not a frothing meme faggot, as an sr she's a little too lenient and it affects her product from how the show looks visually to the absolute cluster fuck that was zuke. in the chances that she does contribute to the animation or board work on her own show/other shows she is pretty good at it and has a pretty solid history with it really her big ticket is her affinity for music even back when she was doing her first boards for adventure time she was also writing music.
but basically definitely not without faults and seems like the kind of sr too make plans for shit that won't happen until 4 years later but everyone backtracks too realize there's been hints all along.

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Genius hack.
Possibly also a hack genius.

Filth.

right on the money.

i have more fun watching SU clips then watching the actual show.

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This. I feel like SU would have been better if the writing was as solid on a larger scale as it is in some of the smaller character moments. I also feel like Rebecca focuses way too much on preaching her themes rather than having them expressed more subtly.
Genndy saw a lot of potential in her, and I feel like she can achieve that if she just dialed back on the hugboxing and maintaining consistency in plot, characterization, and design.

*focused on maintaining

FPBP. Sugar is actually great, but she's let's her crew way too loose on some departments - and that shows.

you can get good things out of collaberation and indulging your workers. so long as you don't get a bad apple, which she did.

Who else besides Zuke were the bad apples?

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Working on a show will always be a team effort. She has some great crew that definitely made a lot of those moments. I stopped following so closely around season 3, but I remember when I knew all the main people and Joe and Jeff were on fire as the creators of some of the best episodes.

We talking Hellen? I remember her being introduced half way through season 1 and it was super jarring because every episode she worked on was hot garbage. The animation got super stiff and almost never left 3/4ths making it look like a typical regular show episode, basically refused to go on adventures to new places. Scale went dramatically out of wack and never in an intentional cartoony way, and the writing was very often just bad.

Zuke was her partner and honestly wasn't the best either, but I remember she worked after Hellen left and those episodes improved pretty well.

oppai pearl?

She seems like a bit of a cunt.

good but not as good as Alex Hirsch. However Yea Forums will never admit this because Hirsch did political tweets so that somehow makes him worse creatively

Alex Hirsch is worse because he flat out admitted he wanted to give up after a cliffhanger.

but he didn't

how

Fpbp. Came to say exactly this.

You're right, he stuck with it but he half-assed it. He said back when season 1 was airing, he planned for 3 seasons, one for each month of summer. And he completely bailed on it when he realized making a cartoon is too hard. There's a reason Season 2 dropped in quality.

Alex rage quits when it gets too hard, Rebecca keeps going.

More like he succeeded in running away from Disney

less 'too hard' and more 'he realised he would be stuck at disney for another five years sleeping at a desk at the glacial pace things were getting done'
i don't blame him

Why is it only he has this experience while other showrunners aren't working themselves to death at Disney? It sounds more like his own personal inexperience in being a leader position than Disney's problem.

hirsch is a bit wild and free for disney. there's an anecdote about some script mentioning spin the bottle at a teenager party in the halloween episode and disney's censor division said this was too sexual, you can see how that sort of thing every day would weigh on a guy with his weird tastes

I know that story, too, and he spent more energy than was needed trying to fight Disney on it instead of re-writing the joke. He never knew how to pick his battles at Disney and I think that wore him out more than Disney being too strict to work with. This is the network that got away with a scene where animal heads start pouring blood out of their mouths and gave his girlfriend a show that takes place in a demon hell.

even while taking SU into account, I think she's actually a really nice and talented person. she made great comics and short films and I love her art style

>t. zuke

Adventure Time is crap carried by memes and whimsy that ultimately put a gun against its head once it decided to get deep. Even further beyond it focused too much on female characters at the expense of everything else and turned Finn into a failure.

Schizophrenic hack and a pathological liar

She's a pretty damn good artist, and has strong ideas on how things are supposed to work out, themes, characters, moments.
But she has risen too fast in an interest full of hacks, manchildren and morons.
She has no significant years of experience with tightly run shows and old professionals to learn from, but is somehow running her own show already, has been for years.
I really want to see what show she will develop next to implement the lessons learned from SU.

FPBP.

I hate to sound big headed or something, but I feel like I'd be the same way.

Only liked her show until Bismuth so for me she alone is a hack while his husband did a show that is my top 20 favorites.

the only worthwhile creator of our time.

Genius is a bit of hyperbole but she's top tier for sure.

some people on Yea Forums will totally call her a hack but I've seen people call Genndy a hack, you can get an user to claim whatever dumb bullshit is imaginable

>a bit too lenient of a director.
This is also why Blizzard's quality dropped. People like each other too much and are too afraid to criticize each other even for needed suggestions.

I get you. I just don’t like saying no to people.

Lesbo

Hey, look, reasonable criticism.

Alex is a crazy person who has to do it all himself and is then shocked when he burns out making a collaborative project.

Hopefully he'll pace himself better on his next show.

Focusing on theme is the right decision. To make sure the theme is consistent is always the better decision to make even if you have to sacrifice a bit of logic in the story to get there, or trying to reach a conclusion by forcing actions that go against the theme. Take the ending of Game of Thrones for example. If you could summarize the theme of the show in the first four seasons it would probably be very simple, generally about how the squabbles of mankind blind them to the real threats. But Season 5 and onwards you get many contradictions to that theme and the ending itself seems to not care at all about theming just so it can reach the very end of its story. That's what happens when you ignore themes when really theming is the most important part of story telling. Yes, it's better to have everything working together congruently, but if you have to keep to one particular element, always make sure the theme is consistent.

>slicing vertical
WWJ knows whats up

oppai pearl is fucking funny.

The quentin tarantino of cartoons

I see your point, but I feel like Rebecca already had a very solid theme of love and acceptance that wasn't able to be adequately challenged by the antagonists in great depth. Like applying a hammer to metal, the core message has to be critiqued within itself in order to be the most potent and thorough that it can be.
I felt like Steven wasn't challenged enough, even though the challenges themselves were there--characters like Jasper, Bismuth, White Diamond, and now Spinel physically threatened him, but for some reason or other, their execution felt lacking in terms of how challenging they were to Steven's perspective.

So there's feet in SU?

Literally the best episodes of AT are boarded and written by Sucrose.

Well maybe those kinds of relationships have yet to be actually explored as of yet, like a final boss. After all, you don't start out with that kind of difficulty. Like everything you build up with harder and more difficult situations till you reach the ultima. Seeing White Diamond as she is really does give the impression she wasn't as all powerful as we were all lead to believe. In fact, none of the Diamonds are.

Probably because she knows that acting like a dickhead director is just not productive, but she needs to be hard and fair.

Genius who wrote herself into a corner and now looks like a hack.

fpbp
She´s better as a storyboard/writer instead of a director. If she was given a job as a minor writer who´s only responsible for writing specific episodes of some other person´s show, she would be great at it

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Such a sad state of affairs that no one was able to come close in quality. Like I seriously feel that whoever remained with Adventure Time were woman-children and men-children.

Jesus christ, FPBP.

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fucking this holy shit
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I guess my issue is that White Diamond WAS originally intended to be the final boss. Change Your Mind was meant to be the final part of the story arc, and Rebecca played WD up as someone who Steven couldn't just talk to. WD has posed some of the greatest threat to Steven, namely, by pulling out his gemstone, but it felt like confronting her and pacifying her was done too quickly, if that makes any sense. I think the main issue I have, then, is with pacing--which is partially a scheduling problem as much as it is a potential planning issue, the scheduling being something completely out of Rebecca's hands.

this

Rebecca Sugar is more or less what I aspire for. She can play instruments, she's storyboarded for several shows, made her own show, made her own movie. Growing up I really wanted to be like her and now that I'm 25 the feeling hasn't faded. But I feel like it's too late.

I absolutely adore her art.

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is never too late user
keep the dream alive, if anything, you can have the satisfaction of fighting till the very end

OK, user. I'll fight til the end
You are my best friends.

Not just Oppai Pearl, but Goth w/ Glasses Oppai Pearl!

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It's okay because there is nothing wrong with drawing rule 34

I want to pound her in a mating press and make her pregnant

Her and Ian are my OTP.

>Zuke was her partner and honestly wasn't the best either, but I remember she worked after Hellen left and those episodes improved pretty well.
Zuke's episodes always looked nice, but they were garbage because Zuke is a garbage writer who basically just wrote her fanfic into the show.

Geniack.

I liked Zuke at the time. I feel like her barn episodes were pretty great. But everything from Lapis' return onwards really started to drag.

As someone who learned about her through her episodes of adventure time teaming up with Muto, she's great. She has a good sense of giving the audience great emotional punches, and ideologically she is a noble soul. However she falls into the trappings of liberal centrism (not leftists values, learn your definitions) of "they go low, we go high". Her solutions don't have to be violent but forgiving millenia of war crimes is just comical.

Overall good creator who desperately needs an editor.

What happened to Zuke? Where is she now?

Last I heard she was going homeless after her GF she abused left her.

She isn't really...

Her show inspired a lot more thought and quality artwork than she and her crew put in themselves.

you got this

Creepy low level illuminati operative

>but they were garbage because Zuke is a garbage writer who basically just wrote her fanfic into the show.
this is the whole truth

I truly admire her, she has achieved a lot of things and that inspires me to do the same

>pathological liar
When